Actual dealer vs. Roulette Evolution

[MrJ]

"And because they can t win-play anymore , they have the hobby to start fight with the method players" >>> Thank you, this is all I needed. 

Ken

[Still]

1) IF IF IF we find a Biased wheel (that favours the bias players to get the advantage) and IF IF IF  we find a tilted wheel with a scatter pattern (that will favour the VB players) then Advantage-play is indeed a winning way and the more you play , the more u win.
You are having also a REASON of WHY you are winning with those ways.

So you're saying they've come up with better wheels and the new wheels have been adopted almost industry wide...except for a few hard to find casinos...and not for much longer?

[Master_of_pockets]

sure Mr J.
Apers can t find the opportunities that they were finding in the 90s and back.

But let me tell you that on those glory years an Aper can be rich from this kind of play...

wile the methods players couldn t be rich back those days and they still can t. 

I know perfect level VB and I have very sharp eyes...
In Foresters video VB  competition that Kelly,Snowman and Lawrence scot took part I had the most accurate predictions from all of them.

I have 2 casinos near me that both have 40 wheels and I am NOT playing VB any more...this can tell you a lot!

Like when martingale was invented and casinos put the bet limit , casinos did the same for the Apers....they took measurements to prevent then for winning-playing.

This measurements are showing CLEARLY that Advantage-play is EFFECTIVE.
But if You can t use them then they are worthless.

Now the tilt is so small-light that even the changing of the temperature or the barometer can take away the tilt....so no more oportunities....

[Master_of_pockets]

yes still

[Master_of_pockets]

So Mr J IF your point of view is that:
Advantage-play is indeed a REAL way to win in roulette BUT the conditions that favour the Advantage-play are very rare nowdays , then you are ACCURATE!

[Master_of_pockets]

And because I like you Mr J I will tell you a phrase that you should tell to any Aper and shut his mouth....copy/paste it 

You will be saying this to VB players

""You claim that you win with VB? So Where is this Casino that in 2012 still has wheels with Domimiand Drop Point + Ball Track knee point + Heavy Big ball + Hight Frets + the dealer call No More Bets very late? Are you living in a 3 world country or did you dream of these conditions or do you have a time machine  and you are going back in the 80s? If no then tell me where this casino is located and I ll come and play VB too"" 

Then the Aper (lier in this case if he is claiming that he still wins with Advantage-play) will not have something worthable to say.

[D1]

 
Hi MOP

In Foresters video VB  competition that Kelly,Snowman and Lawrence scot took part I had the most accurate predictions from all of them.

Thats very interesting

I dont recall ever seeing a VB competition that Forester put up ?

D1.

[TwoCatSam]

MrJ

I still hold fast to the belief that the dealer has no influence over the outcome of the game.  Therefore, I find no difference in real and RE, except that it "seems" to have more repeaters.

I'll go a little weird here........................

There are days when there are tons of repeaters and days where there are not.  I can almost tell when this is going to happen within about ten minutes.  I'm wondering if the RNG is being seeded in a certain way to cause repeaters.  Not intentionally!

I've read some TRNGs use minute variations in barometric pressure for their see.  If the pressure was all over the place, we'd get a greater dispersion.  If the pressure was very constant, we might get a similar seed and more repeaters.

And that may be just a bunch of hooey!

Sam

[MrJ]

MrJ

I still hold fast to the belief that the dealer has no influence over the outcome of the game.  Therefore, I find no difference in real and RE, except that it "seems" to have more repeaters.

I'll go a little weird here........................

There are days when there are tons of repeaters and days where there are not.  I can almost tell when this is going to happen within about ten minutes.  I'm wondering if the RNG is being seeded in a certain way to cause repeaters.  Not intentionally!

I've read some TRNGs use minute variations in barometric pressure for their see.  If the pressure was all over the place, we'd get a greater dispersion.  If the pressure was very constant, we might get a similar seed and more repeaters.

And that may be just a bunch of hooey!

Sam

Thank you for staying on topic sir.   

Ken

[Drazen]

And because I like you Mr J I will tell you a phrase that you should tell to any Aper and shut his mouth....copy/paste it 

You will be saying this to VB players

""You claim that you win with VB? So Where is this Casino that in 2012 still has wheels with Domimiand Drop Point

Mind the rest, are you think on one DD?


Up to which degree of tilt you think wheels can be beaten?


Cheers

[Drazen]

@ Master of pockets


It is so sad and low that you are taking yourself as some roulette guru and your behaviour is like you are the best and most knowledable expert in the world, but you are just dumb troll here, because on  one hand you are saying correct things but at the same time they are not correct at all.


You are the one who is bitter and lives in sardonic world becasue it can't beat the game, and fights on forums with everyone and gets million of bans in every one of them without exception.


If one could summarize your opinion it could clearly said that for game of roulette it is impossible to be professional player. That is wrong.


I know some longterm system professional players who managed to create edge(or some not LoL)  and doing good.


About VB, it is wrong that is dead. True that conditions are not as they used to be, and one can't creat so big edge as in the past, but it is still achievable, and while writting this people and teams are playing it succesfully. Be sure about that.


Although modern, finding perfectly leveled wheel is same hard as finding perfectly tilted wheel.


It seems to me that you have stuck in the past with one DD. 2-3 DD-s are not so hard to find, and it requires more data tracking for such game, but still you can create an edge...


Things between 1-3 DD is up to each individual... if you will understand. And beating leveled wheel to some degree also is impossible for you to understand, so i won't even mention it 


So claiming all that i see you are not so great after all. Opposite actualy.


It is obviously that you have entered only in your local casino only, becasue i can show you where you can very easily find 2 -3 pin games which you can take advantage off...


And out of 40 wheels it is so impossible that all are perfectly leveld with using ping pong balls LoL


You said you are not Advantage-play guy, but do you know that you are doing favour to us with this on the dark side? It is better that less people are trying and in the end doing it, thinking that is impossible 


Cheers


Drazen

[Master_of_pockets]

Drazen If u will read your post u will immediately understand( i hope) that it s u that You are the troll.


You have no experience in VB and all You know is just theory and phrases that other Aper are using.
Wile I am not only theory...I was a VB player in the past.(with great success)

As for taking advantage of 2 DDs or even 3 is something that DO exist in my solid knowledge on the physics the wheel...so don't worry I know all about it and I have also played in 2 DD wheels with a nice rotor speed that was making the position overlapping and winning no matter which of 2 DDs the ball was hitting. 
I hadn t played in a 3 DD wheel because I never liked playing withe a tiny advantage.I wasn t  there to gamble , I was there to win.

Let me educate you and make u able to use some more Advantage-play phrases LoL

Nowdays the main problem is NOT the Tilt.(it s a big problem but not the main one)
The main problem is the scatter....low frets and light balls(casinos measurements) that are jumping like crazy makes the scatter to have no steady stop(pattern)
So combining the LIGHT Tilt+the bad scatter you have conditions that can t produce an advantage...
With this bad scatter even if you have a wheel with strong tilt , you can still lose because of the bad ball scatter....so imagine what is happening(if You can) if you don't even have a strong tilt.
An other big issue is that nowdays the ball track is so smooth the knee point almost doesn t exist...and without it you can t make a prediction becaue u don t habe the indication of the correct revolution to make teh prediction.

Yes sure in a 2 DD wheel with a spread scatter a 1% advantage can be gained...BUT i would never play with a 1% advantage that is not even stable....because the light tilt can be affect by the temperature and barometer changing and the LIGHT tilt can be gone immediately....(and all the hard work that you have done by data recording is a lost case)
If u will ask other VB players will also tell you the same thing.
Most VB players has abandoned VB and turned into Bias play because nowdays is the only kind of play that has a slight advantage...but not like the old days.

So theory from action has a very big deference ... Just talks can t make u a winner...
Go and try to find the nice conditions and I will come and join you and play ... I ll come there with a BR of 300 chips and make it 1 M .

Before some months I was in my casino and found a wheel with 2DDs.
After 300 spins data that I took from each direction of the ball so 600 total spins ( a lot of days and hours data recording) it was proven that there was no scatter pattern, so I couldn t take advantage of that wheel and i didn t play ....

VB isn t stable anymore because the conditions don't allow it.
After so many years that casinos were losing money from the Apers they had to do something...and they did....

Do you think that IF VB was still a way to win , there would be sites that sells VB techniques?
Sure not! they would keep the secrets to them selves and making money...

If you have a logic and you will use it , you will see that I and the other VB players (that don't BS the forums with lies) we are right.

And even If someone was so lucky that found a casino that has 1 wheel with the correct conditions , they can t take advantage on their owns..... They need a team to play Camo style.
The one must be making predictions and the other one must be betting....because as soon as the eyes from the sky spot a player that looks in the wheel and bet late with sectors betting , they will mess their game imediately be advicing the dealer to say NMB very early.....

That s why I am telling you , the theory from the action are 2 different things.

MR J this post is dedicated to you 

And yes Drazen I am a guru in roulette. Thanks

[Drazen]

You are right, you are guru of roulette hehe


Except starring too much in the wheel is past dear guru, so as quite late bets...


Sector betting? You don't need to bet sectors to be so obvious? Ever heard of camouflage?


I just yesterday applied succesfuly VB dear guru for you information


But please i don't know anything, just theory and all you say if perfectly true and absolute true of the world


Viva le Guru! hehe 


Cheers

[Master_of_pockets]

And I played yesterday Red and Black and won 20 chips.
Is that making me a winner ? 

So you are playing in a modern wheel (with slight conditions) and you are betting early in the spin(that this making the prediction even less accurate) and you are also not betting a sector but you are leaving gaps on the sector for camo. LoL

You are living in a nice dream...

VB now days is :
1)Hope that the ball will hit the aiming diamond because the tilt is light
2)Hope that the ball will make the average scatter(because ball is jumping like crazy)
3)Hope that the prediction was correct because of the smooth ball track
4)Hope that the casino management won t understand what you are doing
5)Hope that the casino won t remove the wheel
6)Hope that the  temperature-barometer won t change during play
7)Hope that the casino wheel cleaning stuff won t clean the ball track and put oil(because all will be gone...the ball timings will be a lot different)
8)Hope that the rotor will be at the speed range that the scatter recording was made.
9)Hope that the NMB will be at the correct time

This isn t VB ... this is HB(Hoping Ballistics)

Continue playing in that wheel Drazen(if you are saying the truth) and you will see that in some more visits you will lose or you will be spotted.
Except if you invented the time machine and you are playing the 80s.

[Robeenhuut]

And I played yesterday Red and Black and won 20 chips.
Is that making me a winner ? 

So you are playing in a modern wheel (with slight conditions) and you are betting early in the spin(that this making the prediction even less accurate) and you are also not betting a sector but you are leaving gaps on the sector for camo. LoL

You are living in a nice dream...

VB now days is :
1)Hope that the ball will hit the aiming diamond because the tilt is light
2)Hope that the ball will make the average scatter(because ball is jumping like crazy)
3)Hope that the prediction was correct because of the smooth ball track
4)Hope that the casino management won t understand what you are doing
5)Hope that the casino won t remove the wheel
6)Hope that the  temperature-barometer won t change during play
7)Hope that the casino wheel cleaning stuff won t clean the ball track and put oil(because all will be gone...the ball timings will be a lot different)
8)Hope that the rotor will be at the speed range that the scatter recording was made.
9)Hope that the NMB will be at the correct time

This isn t VB ... this is HB(Hoping Ballistics)

Continue playing in that wheel Drazen(if you are saying the truth) and you will see that in some more visits you will lose or you will be spotted.
Except if you invented the time machine and you are playing the 80s.

MOP

Why dont you start a new thread and teach us some stuff?    In 80's i had different things on my mind.