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Title: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 25, 08:12 PM 2018
If you have a system you believe is the "holly grail, prove it and I'll pay you $100,000. Details are at link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/100k-challenge/

I'm asked about this frequently so will leave this thread sticky.

So far not a single person has gotten past the first stage (testing 2m spins with realistic betting limits).

If you say "you dont need a system to beat that many spins to work", then you need to understand the math better. It's explained on the page above.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 25, 10:35 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 25, 08:41 PM 2018Why do you think that if a person who has an HG would sell it to you for 100K ??

That's addressed on the page. But you know, people contact me often saying they want to take the challenge. So ask them why they want to sell it.

Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 25, 08:41 PM 2018if you already have a real way to win with your electronic devices in real casinos, why do you need to win RNG?

That's also explained on the page, and throughout my websites. It's the #1 obvious question. The basic answer is it maximizes my revenue, without affecting what my private teams win.

Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 25, 08:41 PM 2018thousands of people give commissions forced to play with your software ...

That's what I do with some versions of the roulette computer. But not thousands of people. I have many different technologies to beat roulette and other games. I sell some, I use some, some I do both, and some I dont sell at all.

Also the point of escrow is so a neutral entity pays what you are owed.

Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 25, 08:41 PM 2018And finally, if I had for example the HG, who are you to put the conditions?

The one paying the money. And as the page says, you can suggest conditions of your own. Perhaps before speaking, actually read. Most peoiple dont bother to read, then just assume.

Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 25, 08:41 PM 2018I think you do not need the HG of RNG, you already say win in real, then play real and become rich!

Correct, I dont need it. I'm just making an offer for anyone who may have it. And don't assume roulette is all I do.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 06:08 AM 2018
Im only interested in serious people thanks.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Turner on Nov 26, 06:30 AM 2018
Steve Randi



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Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 07:16 AM 2018
How should i put this... Randi is a lying cunt. Im not. Randi has no interest in the truth. I do.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Turner on Nov 26, 08:31 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 26, 07:16 AM 2018
How should i put this... Randi is a lying c***. Im not. Randi has no interest in the truth. I do.

I was referring to his reward for something he is 100% convinced he will never have to pay out.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 26, 10:45 AM 2018
Well, I think If you extend you offer to real wheels systems, you can then get some offers.

Sorry but RNG is impossible unless you crack the algorithm or identify the seed
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Kan@am@ on Nov 26, 11:10 AM 2018
Nice challenge.Finally Steve realized that HG ‘s are possible to develop.If there is a base like law of third,the rest is just matter of time.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 26, 11:11 AM 2018
Hey Steve,

i liked a lot the page where you wrote on variance and its effect on the game.

but i am a guy with very good analytical skills.. i have digged deep into analytics and physics and came out with an interesting finding.

do you know that based on the speed of the ball you can find out if your system works good or not?

lets take below example, i have attached two graphs which represent the evolution of the the speeds ... in first graph one of my system seems to perform great with this set of speeds.

in the 2nd graph, the same system performed also well until spin 25 then it went south !
To know the reason, all you need to do is look at the evolution of the speeds after spin 25.


Fact: we can use additional information that can help us in finding out if the game is in our favor or not based on what i have written above.



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Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Blood Angel on Nov 26, 03:59 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 26, 03:34 PM 2018
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Well, I think If you extend to offer real wheels, you can then get some offers.

Sorry but RNG is impossible unless you crack the algorithm or identify the seed
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Are you sure that you can only beat the RNG with the algorithm or the seed? I also thought that, but with that you will not achieve it either, because you would have to identify all the changes made by the algorithm or the constant seed changes.
As dyksexlic said clearly, once you identify what is inevitable, it is just looking for a way to take advantage of it and the algorithm or the thousands of seed changes, all of them have to carry out the irremediable process. I hope I have clarified because this is truly the holy grail and I think it is the only one.

Must be something to do with repeaters then...
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 05:03 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Nov 26, 08:31 AM 2018
I was referring to his reward for something he is 100% convinced he will never have to pay out.

His offer is specifically to discredit. He has no genuine scientific interest. If he did, he would be scratching his head about many things, and he wouldnt have refused my offer to prove him wrong because I wasn't a "celebrity". Mine is a genuine offer to purchase the holy grail, if it is exists. It is not just a challenge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 05:04 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 26, 10:45 AM 2018Well, I think If you extend you offer to real wheels systems, you can then get some offers.

I can already easily beat almost every real wheel. It is explained on the page too.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 05:06 PM 2018
Quote from: Kan@am@ on Nov 26, 11:10 AM 2018Nice challenge.Finally Steve realized that HG ‘s are possible to develop.

I never said it isnt possible. I just say that with specific approaches it isnt possible.

Quote from: Kan@am@ on Nov 26, 11:10 AM 2018If there is a base like law of third,the rest is just matter of time.

Law of a third is one example. It is a meaningless principle that is basic statistics, and cant be used for any advantage. I've explained the maths for it before, which is really simple.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 05:08 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 26, 11:11 AM 2018do you know that based on the speed of the ball you can find out if your system works good or not?

Generally speaking, yes of course.

It sounds like you are edging into AP, by looking at cause and effect. But there's a lot more to it, and better ways of doing things.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 05:11 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 26, 03:34 PM 2018As dyksexlic said clearly, once you identify what is inevitable, it is just looking for a way to take advantage of it and the algorithm or the thousands of seed changes, all of them have to carry out the irremediable process. I hope I have clarified because this is truly the holy grail and I think it is the only one.

That's like Turbo's logic...... find what is predictable about random, then random isnt random anymore.

For example, random has limits. You'll never get 37 unique numbers in 37 spins, at least in your lifetime. It's just so predictable. So although the next winning number is always 1 in 37 accuracy, somehow, somewhere over the rainbow, 1 in 37 changes to 1 in something better, but still stays at 1 in 37. But doesn't.

Most people need to go back to basics.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 26, 05:42 PM 2018
QuoteBy the way Steve, if I did 100 sessions of 37 balls or less winning all, would it be an HG or not?

Maybe, maybe not. 100 x 37 = 3,700.
I've never seen any system beat such a huge amount of spins ::)

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Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 26, 11:47 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 26, 05:13 PM 2018
That's what Steve says, I have not seen any way of winning him ...
Blue angel does not rely on repeaters exactly, it's something like that but in a specific way, it's probably not what dyksexlic does, it's probably something more refined, it never got all the numbers, nor half of them, that there are other possible processes but comments many more numbers and that is what dyksexlic surely does, that's why you need a big box, I do not need that much.
By the way Steve, if I did 100 sessions of 37 balls or less winning all, would it be an HG or not?  :lol:
Send me the RNG numbers and I will make a sample little by little! :thumbsup:

Passion,

Don't waste your time.  Get out to the casino and bet biGGer ASAP! :xd:

Question though, why do you suppose it is that nobody can beat the MPR?  ::)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Madi on Nov 27, 03:04 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 26, 11:47 PM 2018
Passion,



Question though, why do you suppose it is that nobody can beat the MPR?  ::)

I will  surely seek support to kick you out. You are repeating this quetion again and again just to annoy people.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 03:07 AM 2018
I dont think his reason for asking is to annoy anyone. I think he's making a valid point. Nobody wants to answer it.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Madi on Nov 27, 03:10 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 27, 03:07 AM 2018
I dont think his reason for asking is to annoy anyone. I think he's making a valid point. Nobody wants to answer it.

Why he doesnt ask about RS or other? What is the reason
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 03:12 AM 2018
Probably because there are so many big winners there, and the betting limits arent realistic.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Madi on Nov 27, 03:16 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 27, 03:12 AM 2018
Probably because there are so many big winners there, and the betting limits arent realistic.

Do you believe i can bet 50c min to 2000 or more to a single number in a casino legally .
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Madi on Nov 27, 03:35 AM 2018
Lets finish this realistic limit thing. $5-$250 is just a baby.

Probably we can discuss how many mode does a RNG  got? What we can do to a player using different setting of RNG.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 03:44 AM 2018
Those are not normal limits. It has nothing to do with law.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Madi on Nov 27, 03:53 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 27, 03:44 AM 2018
Those are not normal limits. It has nothing to do with law.

We r not breaking any law. If you think that betting $1000 on single number can give  you advantage you can surely do that is real casino, club , rsl wherever u want and very legally. But unfortunately thats not the case.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 04:43 AM 2018
Caleb wasnt insisting. He was asking a question.

In any case if youre winning, just keep winning. But if youre on a forum, dubious claims will rightfully be questioned.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 27, 05:23 AM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 27, 03:04 AM 2018
I will  surely seek support to kick you out. You are repeating this quetion again and again just to annoy people.
Caleb comes on forums to ask this strawman type of questions that's annoying everyone.
The reason he is not put on moderation for 'trolling' is the owner of this forum Steve allows this to happen.
Since there is no chance to kick him out, we collectively as members of this forum, put him under IGNORE and not respond to his posts. Treat him as non-existent is an option we can individually take.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 05:29 AM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 27, 05:23 AM 2018
Caleb comes on forums to ask this strawman type of questions that's annoying everyone.
The reason he is not put on moderation for 'trolling' is the owner of this forum Steve allows this to happen.
Since there is no chance to kick him out, we collectively as members of this forum, put him under IGNORE and not respond to his posts. Treat him as non-existent is an option we can individually take.

Well I must admit Steve rarely put people under moderation..

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 27, 05:32 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 05:29 AM 2018
Well I must admit Steve rarely put people under moderation..
You are wrong.

I have made it not my business to bother about anymore - ignore list.
Forum members should be aware of it by now.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 06:40 AM 2018
The rules apply to all members. At the moment hes just asking simple questions. How is that trolling exactly?

People not having or liking the answer doesnt mean the person asking the question is trolling.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 06:55 AM 2018
Why cant you use the quote feature properly?

Passion, you say too many incorrectthings for it to be believable you have the hg. Anyway not worth arguing  that point. If im wrong, too bad for me.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 07:59 AM 2018
Im noticing these days that most guys here are becoming too much repulsive !
That’s too bad for a meaningful discussion and brainstorming!

I dunno the exact reason but I suspect that many people are starting to lose patience probably because they are being affronted with delusion and bad results of theirs systems!

I don’t know every person here but it looks like the majority are old or lack required education ( physics and math )

Like that we going nowhere’s!

Guys, be kind to each other and let the experts rule the discussions !
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Turner on Nov 27, 11:49 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 27, 04:43 AM 2018In any case if youre winning, just keep winning

You spelled whining wrong...tsk
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 27, 05:33 PM 2018
I have a RNG holy grail now, (that *cannot lose* with a big enough BR)...and that would be (from my first testings about 2000u (played with 1u bets).... O0

Not sure if it can be within the requirements (100u limit for a straigtup though)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 06:28 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 27, 05:33 PM 2018
I have a RNG holy grail now, (that *cannot lose* with a big enough BR)...and that would be (from my first testings about 2000u (played with 1u bets).... O0

Not sure if it can be within the requirements (100u limit for a straigtup though)


Spectacular!

i would say, pack it and ship directly to Australia.
Steve will issue you the $100k within a few hours!


Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 10:11 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 27, 05:33 PM 2018I have a RNG holy grail now, (that *cannot lose* with a big enough BR).

Any system can win large indefinitely with progression, unlimited bankroll, and no table limits.

Any system can win large for a long time with progression, very large bankroll, and unrealistic table limit.

Before you can consider progression, you need to address the core problem, which is accuracy of predictions being high enough to overcome the unfair payouts. Anyone who doesn't understand this now, will eventually understand what the hell I keep going on about and why.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteGhost on Nov 27, 10:25 PM 2018
this is a stupid challenge

1) we can post charts of methods that look like any AP chart: large draw downs and ending in high profit

2) steve will find a reason to say WHY it is not the HG

its a lose lose just ignore it
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 27, 10:29 PM 2018
Ghost,

What do you think an AP chart/play looks like?  Can you create an example?

What type of progression do you believe an AP or professional uses?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 27, 10:36 PM 2018
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 27, 10:25 PM 2018this is a stupid challenge

Your comments are stupid and show poor understanding.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 27, 10:25 PM 20181) we can post charts of methods that look like any AP chart: large draw downs and ending in high profit

AP doesnt normally have the large drawdowns because progression isnt normally used. When progression is used, with any method, you get the large scary drawdowns, then the lucky wins that save you. It's more a matter of how aggressive the progression is.

You need to understand without changing accuracy of predictions, a system is just random bets with progression, and only lucky wins save you. The HG addresses accuracy of predictions. You dont appear to understand the math. You say you do, but other things you say show you dont.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 27, 10:25 PM 20182) steve will find a reason to say WHY it is not the HG

RG do you know what escrow is? If it beats 2m spins, you lock the system in an encrypted file, I send funds to escrow, then you beat different 2m spins with the unlocked system, the escrow agent releases the funds. The whole point of escrow is keeping my word is out of my hands.

But if you try and cheat me, and your system doesnt beat both sets of spins (confirmed by escrow agent), you lose your relatively small deposit.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 03:11 AM 2018
Passionruletta

You talk like you have a HG, I am not interesting in arguing with you but in case you really have the so called illusion „HG“,  what you waiting for ? Why don’t you wip out all casino in your country ?

Be realistic and admit that HG only exists in the stupid people’s minds 
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Mako on Nov 28, 04:07 AM 2018
Sergio offers nothing, but he suuuuuuuure haunts every single thread on every single method every single day doesn’t he? Strange for a guy with “the HG”...

Go make your millions Sergio, we’re not interested.

You’re a decent guy, but the next time you share something will be the first time.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 28, 04:10 AM 2018
Firstly, again please use quote properly. Its simple.

Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 28, 02:37 AM 2018You are right, he is going to say with any form that is not HG and he is not the roulette judge to verify what is and is not HG.

I dont decide if a system is the hg. Its just a system that keeps winning the more you play.

Whats your definition of the hg?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 28, 04:11 AM 2018
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 27, 10:25 PM 2018
this is a stupid challenge

1) we can post charts of methods that look like any AP chart: large draw downs and ending in high profit

2) steve will find a reason to say WHY it is not the HG

its a lose lose just ignore it
The purpose of this challenge and MPR is similar.

It is NOT a stupid challenge posed by the forum owner.

Ofc we all ignore it.

I already mentioned that IGNORE is an option we members can collectively chose to implement.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 06:36 AM 2018
Steve

One of my system has been optimized with machine learning and now showing extraordinary results.

As you know i focus mainly on real wheels but today I wanted to give a go with RNG spins, I uploaded 300 random numbers I generated myself and guess what ! The result was also great as real wheels.

Im planing to tests 100k spins  continuously in the next days, if the result as it’s has been so far, I will sell you only the basic idea/concept without the improvement version.

And to workaround turner‘s radar,i will not PM privately... as this might violate Turner‘s rule number x.

So I will keep everything clear and transparent.



What do you think ?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 09:06 AM 2018
Well, Steve i have the RNG-HG, now i could use those 100k ?  O0

Only thing (the "bet limits" you set are not valid for this bet?) Still, it's a smaller BR than my "other HG"

If you're still interested contact me.

cheers  :)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 28, 09:19 AM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 28, 04:11 AM 2018The purpose of this challenge and MPR is similar.

Or maybe mpr is just the game requested by members.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 28, 09:22 AM 2018
To anyone saying they have the hg and want to take the challenge, first show a bankroll trend chart with the 2m spins and realistic bet limits.

If you have the hg, there's no reason why it won't beat 2m or even 100m spins.

I already have systems that do well over 50k+spins. Its more a matter of bet limits and bankroll.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 09:24 AM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 28, 09:06 AM 2018


If you're still interested contact me.



Turner, where is turner ?

Anybody saw turner ?

Turner, doesn't this fall under your radar ? No violation to rule number 3?

No moderation ? What a fair world !!! Fancy that !

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 09:26 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 28, 09:22 AM 2018
To anyone saying they have the hg and want to take the challenge, first show a bankroll trend chart with the 2m spins and realistic bet limits.

If you have the hg, there's no reason why it won't beat 2m or even 100m spins.

I already have systems that do well over 50k+spins. Its more a matter of bet limits and bankroll.

Are you serious ?

2m ? You want assessment over 2 millions spins ?

You have a system that can beat 50k spins ? Then give it to the general, he is struggling to find a winning system !
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 09:32 AM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 28, 09:06 AM 2018
Well, Steve i have the RNG-HG, now i could use those 100k ?  O0

Only thing (the "bet limits" you set are not valid for this bet?) Still, it's a smaller BR than my "other HG"

If you're still interested contact me.

cheers  :)


What guarantees us that if Steve gives you this $ 100k, you won’t go to the nearest casino and lose them on roulette using the RNG-HG ?


:xd:

You still have to work on the graph, it can get sexier !!

No offense to Ignatius is meant! Just for fun

Cheers
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 10:39 AM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 28, 10:13 AM 2018Ignatua excellent work! Are they real numbers, RNG or Rx? Is it a flat bet or progression?

Thanks :)

it's random numbers (from RX),... yes? it use progression

Steve replied, but not to me....well!

I won't be a millionare overnight, this takes time to play, (and i don't have the BR to play with higher units)

But played now at the casino, won some small money (on the RNG-game)

But hey Steve not interested in the HG...too bad for him. :/

What's more i won't be giving this away for free now, last time (i got nothing in return)...
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 10:55 AM 2018
Never mind Steve's system challenge, I'd be impressed if even one of the HG claimers could even beat the MPR!  LOL!!!    :twisted:

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 11:42 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 10:55 AM 2018
Never mind Steve's system challenge, I'd be impressed if even one of the HG claimers could even beat the MPR!  LOL!!!    :twisted:

I don't have time for the MPR now general, now i play for real..(RNG) but..as they use to say "It's a long way to the top, if you want to play roulette"  :xd:  ;D

Now +150SEK  :P getting closer to my million! haha
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 04:44 PM 2018
Well, Steve, you don't seems to be interested?, and furthermore , you set "betlimit" IS JUST STUPID, You never get a HG with those betlimits? now, even ALL inside bets limits 100u? That's not fair either? For a STRAIGHTUP limit 100u, then a SPLIT should have 200u LIMIT, a STREET 300u and so on... so? it's UNFAIR limits.

Anyhow, I should get a f*cking medal for playing these Stupid "100u MAXBET limit" and get a chart like this for 80 000 spins.

With a little higher Betlimits, IT'S Unbeatable. (That's why it's called a HG?)   ::)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 04:48 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 28, 04:44 PM 2018
Well, Steve, you don't seems to be interested?, and furthermore , you set "betlimit" IS JUST STUPID, You never get a HG with those betlimits? now, even ALL inside bets limits 100u? That's not fair either? For a STRAIGHTUP limit 100u, then a SPLIT should have 200u LIMIT, a STREET 300u and so on... so? it's UNFAIR limits.

Anyhow, I should get a f*cking medal for playing these Stupid "100u MAXBET limit" and get a chart like this for 80 000 spins.

With a little higher Betlimits, IT'S Unbeatable. (That's why it's called a HG?)   ::)

Ignatus,

A long term winning method doesn't require a progression to win.   A progression can't turn a losing system into a winning one in the long term.  Either the strategy works flat betting or it doesn't work.

Also in LV the limits on a table, straight up on a number can range from. $1  to $3,000.  If you're willing to chase around to more than one casino you could go from 25 cents to $5000 straight up with prior approval. High limits can be negotiated.

Up as you win progressions are for entertainment only and are worthless in the long term.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 04:54 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 04:48 PM 2018
Ignatus,

A long term winning method doesn't require a progression to win.   A progression can't turn a losing system into a winning one in the long term.

Hi general, now? you tell me, What IS the MAX amount of spins for 18 numbers to repeat? somebody say 14- some 16 some  say 18? why Have you seen 18 numbers repeat more than 18 times? You tell me ? hm?  ::)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 04:56 PM 2018
By the way I made a typo above when I said up as you win. I meant to say up as you lose progressions are for entertainment only.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 04:58 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 28, 04:54 PM 2018
Hi general, now? you tell me, What IS the MAX amount of spins for 18 numbers to repeat? somebody say 14- some 16 some  say 18? why Have you seen 18 numbers repeat more than 18 times? You tell me ? hm?  ::)

Taj Mahal casino, AC 2007, I watched the red hit 26 times in a row.

There is no limit if you're willing to watch enough spins.  Just sore feet.

If you're willing to wait around long enough to see 26 in a row, then you have an 18/38 chance of seeing 27 in a row though.

I see more spins than most people, so I see more extremes.  By the way, I have also seen 37 numbers in 37 spins in an RNG simulation before.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 05:08 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 04:58 PM 2018
Taj Mahal casino, AC 2007, I watched the red hit 26 times in a row.

There is no limit if you're willing to watch enough spins.  Just sore feet.

If you're willing to wait around long enough to see 26 in a row, then you have an 18/38 chance of seeing 27 in a row though.

wow, ...oh 26 spin? well? now i've revealed the basics of my "grail" (but still i doubt anyone can figure the BET) so still i reveal more? now, count how many progressionlevels needed now with fibonacci-progression (That i use for this particular system)

1,2,3,5,8,13,21,32,55,89,144,233,377,510,887,1397,2284,3681,5965,9646 (so that's 20 steps) Ho! im f*cked then? hahah  :twisted:

But to be realistic, more than 18 spins/Repeats for 18 numbers *is* a very RARE evet?? (+ the trigger, then -4-5 steps etc)...so i still think i have pretty good chances?  O0

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 05:21 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 04:58 PM 2018There is no limit if you're willing to watch enough spins

well? yes..BUT then, with this Steve's "100u MAX BET" I used a *9 step progressionline* +a 4 spin Trigger. SO? That would mean, 1 LOSS (over 14 spins repeat came 1 TIME after *80 000 spins* ??) played with random numbers?? so really ? it's not a event that happens very frequenty??
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 05:24 PM 2018
Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you but that system has been around for a long long long time.

Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 05:26 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 28, 05:21 PM 2018
well? yes..BUT then, with this Steve's "100u MAX BET" I used a *9 step progressionline* +a 4 spin Trigger. SO? That would mean, 1 LOSS (over 14 spins repeat came 1 TIME after *80 000 spins* ??) played with random numbers?? so really ? it's not a event that happens very frequenty??

The four spin trigger is just reducing the number of bets being placed, so of course there will be fewer devastating losses.  Compare the same number of bets with your trigger to the same number of bets without the trigger and you'll find that the results are the same.

You can't side step probability by waiting on the sidelines.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 05:29 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 05:24 PM 2018
Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you but that system has been around for a long long long time.

Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.

Alright thanks general :) I will try this  O0
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 05:51 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 05:24 PM 2018
Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you but that system has been around for a long long long time.

Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.


what about flipping the progression up to down ? try it ..
if it doesnt work, then flip it down to up... continue like that until it works!

Come on guys... you cant win using progressions... focus on flatbetting
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 06:00 PM 2018
Think of a progression as being just an amount bet or an amplifier.  A variable we can simply call N.  Now if you're expectation is negative, like negative 1 then what possible value can you make N and produce a positive value when you multiply it times -1?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 06:05 PM 2018
Some people like to claim that with an infinite bankroll that they could win in an infinite number of games.  This too is not theoretically true.  Because of the house edge the player would move infinitely far away from break even.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 06:28 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 05:24 PM 2018The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.

im sorry, you may have played roulette for 100years, but sry, for the disrespect? BUT this is 1000% Bulls*it....really? I could use a simple Martingale and win 1000% more ......ALL "positive progressionlines" Sink like Titanic (worse than ANY negative progressionlne W h a t s o e v e r.  >:(
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 06:33 PM 2018
Up as you lose progressions are the same thing as just chasing your losses.  Inevitably you'll face the devastating run from which you can not recover.

An up as you win progressions is vastly superior when the player has the edge.

1.  Up as you lose progressions are irrational because they have the gambler's often risking an absurd amount of money to win just one paultry small unit.  This means that you can't really win dirt with them.

2.  Up as you lose progressions require a puny initial betting making it very difficult to every win more than dirt.

3.  An up as you win progression enables the initial bets to be much larger and provides the player the opportunity to win vastly more if lucky.  It risks more of the house's money as they say. 

4.  If the player truly has the edge the bankroll rate of growth is exponential, much like compounding interest
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 06:34 PM 2018
Ignatus

Progressions are bad, better to not use them!

If you have a small edge you can still build up  your bankroll slowly.

It’s late in Sweden, why you still awake ? Don’t bother with General, he is on the other side of the Atlantic
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 06:38 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 06:33 PM 2018

And up as you win progressions is vastly superior when the player has the edge.

Well that might be true especially that it’s spelled out by you.

BUT if one has positive edge he doesn’t necessarily need to use any kind of progression..
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 06:40 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 06:33 PM 2018And up as you win progressions is vastly superior when the player has the edge.

yes? may be so. BUT now we're talking RNG, and NOT "Live wheels" so? Forget about all sectors, and all wheels etc. Now you must find ANOTHER "edge".....we're back to square one? ...I HAVE STILL an "edge" I have STILL the HG (not that you believe, or STEVE believe) so ? what can i say? f*ck you all? haha :D sry... :S
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 06:43 PM 2018
You're hunting for just the right progression to make your system work ..which is of course mathematically impossible.

Instead attack the RNG code.  Pay attention to the time clock interval at which you play.  Measure the fitness of the RNG stream when the numbers are drawn in precise intervals, etc...
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 06:47 PM 2018
Good one, general

I like it,hunting for the right progression!

This describes exactly what he is stuck at and struggling to accomplish

Ha ha
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 06:48 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 06:43 PM 2018Instead attack the RNG code.  Pay attention to the time clock interval at which you play.  Measure the fitness of the RNG stream when the numbers are drawn in precise intervals, etc...

Yes? That's another word for a "Trigger"....Trigger+Betselection+Progression, that's the formula to a "winning system" ..you can study the charts again ...The original STRAIGHTUP for 50 000 spins (tbh, i was to tired to play more spins) AND the STEVE-game positive trend for 80 000 spins..... Show me a similar chart of yours with a "POSTIVE PROGRESSION".... (ON RNG) I Reellyy doubt you can show me that chart....
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 28, 06:53 PM 2018
If you really live in Sweden your odds of ever regularly winning much is almost nill.  The reason is they're almost cashless and every transaction is electronic.  APs there are picked out and weeded from the group (banned) as soon as they become regular winners thanks to the electronic currency.  It's a very predatory gaming environment there.  The casino software essentially shuts you down before you get started. 

Electronic currency is a bad idea for gambler's and in many areas of life.  It introduces a third party into your transactions as well as big brother oversight.  Loss of freedom and civil rights.

Try poker if you're in Sweden.  The casino won't care how much you win since you'll be playing against other players.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 07:01 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 06:53 PM 2018
If you really live in Sweden your odds of ever regularly winning much is almost nill.  The reason is they're almost cashless and every transaction is electronic.  APs there are picked out and weeded from the group (banned) as soon as they become regular winners thanks to the electronic currency.  It's a very predatory gaming environment there.  The casino software essentially shuts you down before you get started. 

Electronic currency is a bad idea for gambler's and in many areas of life.  It introduces a third party into your transactions as well as big brother oversight.  Loss of freedom and civil rights.

Yes? True. They have a roulette-table in my town at the BAR , but they only allow FLATBET.... xD But in Stockholm then have *1* casino there the minimum bet for a straighup is 25 SEK (and that's more than i can affod) The local BAR has minimum/maximum bet of 5 SEK..  ;D
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 28, 07:10 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 06:53 PM 2018Try poker if you're in Sweden.

poker is boring AF imo..;S...ohwell, i better get some sleep now. gnite!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 28, 08:18 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 09:32 AM 2018Are you serious ?
2m ? You want assessment over 2 millions spins ?

Yes and I explained why. After all, if it's really the HG, it wouldnt be a problem would it? RX tests the system automatically.

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 28, 09:26 AM 2018You have a system that can beat 50k spins ? Then give it to the general, he is struggling to find a winning system !

Actually he already understands what it takes to beat roulette. And a system that beats 50k spins isnt special. It's just random bet accuracy with random bet size. Like I said the winnings are more a matter of bankroll and bet limits. It is an illusion to think one system is better than another. It all comes down to random bets with random bet size, with each spin being independent - not connected. It isnt being understood.

Passion, the page I've already given shows where to get the test spins. It will take a really long time if I have to re-explain everything.



Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 28, 08:21 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 28, 10:39 AM 2018Steve replied, but not to me....well!

I won't be a millionare overnight, this takes time to play, (and i don't have the BR to play with higher units)

But played now at the casino, won some small money (on the RNG-game)

But hey Steve not interested in the HG...too bad for him. :/

See what i wrote. There are a few people claiming to have the HG and wanting to take the challenge. I'm not going to individually reply to everyone explaining what I've already explained here. The instructions are already on the page to proceed.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 12:10 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 28, 08:18 PM 2018And a system that beats 50k spins isnt special. It's just random bet accuracy with random bet size.

Wow? really? If this would be true, we all be millionares? Good luck beating 50 000 spins "with a random bet" (Even with what you imagine "random bet size")...."Ok"
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 29, 12:59 AM 2018
Yes really.

Ignatus, the systems I've seen you publish have random bet accuracy. Many times you said you had something that worked, but later you found otherwise. Yes, maybe one day you'll be right. Maybe you are this time.

But beating 50,000 spins is nothing special. If you run a random system enough times, eventually you'll have a really good streak. But all it takes is a bad one to wipe you out.

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/11/29/source.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/F1dkL)

Another way of looking at it is you can win 99% of the time. It's not that difficult. But when you lose, you lose it all and more. And if 1000 players all used the same system, who decides who wins and loses? What is the overall result from all players combined.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 01:24 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 29, 12:59 AM 2018Ignatus, the systems I've seen you publish have random bet accuracy. Many times you said you had something that worked, but later you found otherwise.

hmmm? Well? We see now im gonna run this 2 million RNG spins with my system... This chart has a 4 500 000u drawdown...huh?... xD
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 29, 01:31 AM 2018
You missed my point.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 01:35 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 29, 12:59 AM 2018But beating 50,000 spins is nothing special.

Well? that's your point? AND? still is BS? Beating 50 000 spins *with a low drawdown* IS not "easy"...Still i say -IF this would be true, we all be millionaries.... :/
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 02:33 AM 2018
Well? im defeated (atleast with this trigger im using now) ...but it did pass 200 000 spins  ::)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 29, 03:03 AM 2018
My test did really well too, except the massive drawdown. Read back what i wrote. It's not hard to have a system that does really well until it tanks. It happens because if you dont increase accuracy of predictions, progression is like a loan that must be repaid with interest.

The hg wouldnt tank because it increases accuracy of predictions.

Its not opinion. Its just reality.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 29, 03:46 AM 2018
Im still waiting for you to use quote properly, and read the page i told you answers your question.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 29, 03:54 AM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 02:33 AM 2018
Well? im defeated (atleast with this trigger im using now) ...but it did pass 200 000 spins  ::)

the HG busted ?

Sh$t, yesterday you fueled us with hope and today bluffed!

Even General was last night awake he couldn’t sleep, he was thinking of your HG
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 29, 04:16 AM 2018
At least ignatus is honest.

Ignatus ive been where you are, many times. I keep repeating the same thing because reality doesnt change.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 29, 05:14 AM 2018
Well Steve, you put on table the offer of $100k for the system that can beat 2m spins, ignatus’s System could beat 200k spins, so according to your offer, he is now eligible for $ 10k reward.

Wouldn’t you hand him the award ?

:xd:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Nimo on Nov 29, 06:57 AM 2018
At a very conservative average of 5 cents per spin profit over 2 million spins that equates to $100000.  At a quick mode of 300 spins per hour on most casino RNG working 40 hours per week it would take you 3.2 years to make that bank. 

In 3.2 years using systems that aren't the holy grail, but win more than they lose you would make a great deal more than that. 
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 11:19 AM 2018
Steve, can you reply to my mail pls?  8)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Herby on Nov 29, 12:10 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 29, 09:41 AM 2018When I get someone I can trust to program in Rx

A program in Mathematica would be much effectiver.  :love:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 12:47 PM 2018
Well, Just passed 1 Million RNG spins. Still going strong.  O0

in about 3-4h i be finished with the last million spins.

Hope you can reply to my message sent steve.


Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 29, 01:11 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 12:47 PM 2018
Well, Just passed 1 Million RNG spins. Still going strong.  O0

in about 3-4h i be finished with the last million spins.

Hope you can reply to my message sent steve.

didnt you say in the morning that it busted after 200k spins?

dont say that you flipped the progression again ?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 01:23 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 29, 01:11 PM 2018
didnt you say in the morning that it busted after 200k spins?

dont say that you flipped the progression again ?

it's not the same system. This is my 4th HG ...haha  :xd:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 01:28 PM 2018
btw! it just crashed now. goddamn, hahah  :xd: :xd:

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 29, 01:51 PM 2018
Lol.

Almost, though.

Anyway a hg must be played flat, I think.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Shogun on Nov 29, 02:25 PM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Nov 29, 06:57 AM 2018
At a very conservative average of 5 cents per spin profit over 2 million spins that equates to $100000.  At a quick mode of 300 spins per hour on most casino RNG working 40 hours per week it would take you 3.2 years to make that bank. 

In 3.2 years using systems that aren't the holy grail, but win more than they lose you would make a great deal more than that.


THIS  :thumbsup:

Forget about the HG it's still possible to win more than you lose.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 29, 02:39 PM 2018
I hope you guys realize that there's a big difference between beating the wheel and trying to beat an RNG.

Many people have successfully beaten the wheel. 

Some people have beaten rngs because they've found weaknesses in specific rngs.  For example an early version of Excel was found to have a random function that was too predictable and not reliable.  RNG functions in the casino are exploited in various slot machines and are well documented.  One simple exploitation was a man that discovered the number stream started over each day when the machine was powered off and back on.

In order to beat an RNG you must think differently.  Attempting to win with an up as you lose progression is a very primitive approach that's not going to work.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Madi on Nov 29, 02:39 PM 2018
Quote from: Shogun on Nov 29, 02:25 PM 2018

THIS  :thumbsup:

Forget about the HG it's still possible to win more than you lose.

What it will be called then?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 29, 02:46 PM 2018
Quote from: Madi on Nov 29, 02:39 PM 2018
What it will be called then?

In the short term...LUCK.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 29, 02:47 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 29, 02:42 PM 2018
An HG does not have to be flat, a HG for me is what makes you win always safely and with a normal box. Something that always happens with security and is used to win Always.

Day dreaming
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 04:11 PM 2018
Well now, I may not win 2 million spins, now, but i figured a tweak of the Bet that survived 1 million spins.... THIS is exactly how i would play for real, (it's not such a strong trigger) I *could* make the trigger stronger ofc?, but, we see how far it can go...

BET-Limits are also within the (MPR-rules--which is also unfair betlimits imo)....

TEST1. (RX-Random spins)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 29, 04:26 PM 2018
Ignatus,

Are you actually placing the two million bets or just watching and betting occasionally.  The reason triggers appear to work is only because they dramatically reduce the number of spins bet.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 04:35 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 29, 04:26 PM 2018..ust watching and betting occasionally.  The reason triggers appear to work is only because..

Hi General? Well? That's what's a "Trigger" if for? Wating for event X to happen before betting Y...... I believe that's the only way to win? Even you? When playing Live-wheels? You wait for some "event" then you bet based on that particular event? (sector bet etc)..
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Still on Nov 29, 04:45 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 01:28 PM 2018
btw! it just crashed now. goddamn, hahah  :xd: :xd:

Save that sequence of numbers maybe. Try different kinds of positive progressions.  Maybe a positive with a take-profit limit.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 29, 04:49 PM 2018
Quote from: Still on Nov 29, 04:45 PM 2018Save that sequence of numbers maybe. Try different kinds of positive progressions.  Maybe a positive with a take-profit limit.

Hi still,

"positive progressions" IS *disaster*. Postive progression CANNOT win 1 million spins (i like to see that, really??) ALL "positive  progresions" i've seen so far,(with any betselection) maybe Last a couple of 100 spins (in the best cases)... :/
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 29, 07:15 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 04:49 PM 2018
Hi still,

"positive progressions" IS *disaster*. Postive progression CANNOT win 1 million spins (i like to see that, really??) ALL "positive  progresions" i've seen so far,(with any betselection) maybe Last a couple of 100 spins (in the best cases)... :/

Ignatus,

With the triggers, you're not really betting the one million or so spins.  What counts is the number of spins on which you bet, not the number that you just watch waiting to bet.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Still on Nov 29, 08:49 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 04:49 PM 2018
Hi still,

"positive progressions" IS *disaster*. Postive progression CANNOT win 1 million spins (i like to see that, really??) ALL "positive  progresions" i've seen so far,(with any betselection) maybe Last a couple of 100 spins (in the best cases)... :/

My own studies, from many years ago, if memory serves, is a pos prog won't turn a negative expectation game into a winner.  But I don't think I tested up-and-pull much (which is a pos prog with a take profit) so I can't say.  To get to almost 2 million, with a neg prog, seems your system would have to be barely negative.  I'm guessing an up-and-pull might salvage it, but I don't know. A pos prog will have an amazing effect on any game that is even barely able to stay above zero, albeit, with an edge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: -Katalyst- on Nov 29, 11:35 PM 2018
Perhaps the definitive interpretation of HG may not be consistent with everybody

Nimo - has a more than valid point, **if your cash on cash return at the end of the session/s is consistently in the plus - then regardless of your system being defined as HG or not - it is profitable and that's where  efforts need to be directed


Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 05:24 PM 2018
Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you ...
Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.


-contributions Caleb  :thumbsup:



1 Mill spins - Well done Iggy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 30, 01:09 AM 2018
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Nov 29, 11:35 PM 2018Perhaps the definitive interpretation of HG may not be consistent with everybody

Should it be "wins for a while then loses"?

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Nov 29, 11:35 PM 2018regardless of your system being defined as HG or not - it is profitable and that's where  efforts need to be directed

How about understanding why the ball lands where it does, or some other approach so you can predict winning numbers?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 30, 04:41 AM 2018
QuoteShould it be "wins for a while then loses"?

Bingo! ::)

If a method works, then the longer it's played, the more it should win.  Goals should be a statistically relevant win, not to just survive. 

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 30, 05:41 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 30, 04:41 AM 2018
Bingo! ::)

If a method works, then the longer it's played, the more it should win.  Goals should be a statistically relevant win, not to just survive.

Come on, be realistic there is nothing in this world that works as you described... what you describe is a money machine that only exists in the head of some who are disconnected from reality and in fiction films...

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Nov 30, 09:00 AM 2018
General

See my definition of the HG..

It manifests itself as the ability to use any structured play that produces a prositive trend of profits‘s accumulation over the long term.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: -Katalyst- on Nov 30, 09:17 AM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Nov 30, 01:09 AM 2018
Should it be "wins for a while then loses"?

How about understanding why the ball lands where it does, or some other approach so you can predict winning numbers?

There are reasons why I have not disclosed anything - I have nothing to sell and nor have I said anything  to lead the forum runners astray (haha! you pros - keep saying the same ol same ol and then claim it to protect the newbies - *fair enough - but even so - the "newbies" can make up their mind for themselves)
- **what I have been highlighting is the idea that one can still make money profitably without winning every spin ....or so called 2Mill or so called MPR  :yawn:
- regardless of what you or any other so called expert on this forum says - am healthy and still in business  :thumbsup:
....yes your MPR - no disrespect intended but you will get all the chomps to that abode - and $100K for an HG - don't think so - GoodLuck with that!  ::)

- predict winning numbers? ....mmm according to you experts - there seems to only be one, two or three known ways ........hence that’s why you guys are the experts!   :yawn:



Quote from: The General on Nov 30, 04:41 AM 2018
Bingo! ::)

If a method works, then the longer it's played, the more it should win.  Goals should be a statistically relevant win, not to just survive. 



-never played just to survive


-Thank you & Goodluck-
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 30, 01:07 PM 2018
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Nov 30, 09:17 AM 2018- predict winning numbers? ....mmm according to you experts - there seems to only be one, two or three known ways ........hence that’s why you guys are the experts!   :yawn:

We dont believe in fairies, because theres every indication theyre just talk. Theres not even a single piece of tangible evidence. Theres even less evidence that reality can be circumvented in roulette by really really wanting there to be a pattern that doesnt actually exist. Show us otherwise and you might have a case. In fact all evidence points the other way. Cant show otherwise? Why?

Its not that it doesn't exist. It's that we are reasonable people looking at reality and what evidence shows.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 30, 02:11 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 30, 05:41 AM 2018
Come on, be realistic there is nothing in this world that works as you described... what you describe is a money machine that only exists in the head of some who are disconnected from reality and in fiction films...

Roulettebeater,

Day after day we were taking to thousands of units (even playing next to you on some days).  Yes, we were very good at camouflaging what we did, but gaming officers stopping us and the closing of the pit should have been an indication that we were indeed doing exactly what I have described...winning and with one hell of an edge.   Even the physics professor on our right was stunned.  He was attempting to do it as well, but he was still new to it.

You are absolutely wasting your time with the up as you lose progression nonsense.  Such progression are meant for fun, but are guaranteed losers in the long run.  My suggestion is to learn the physics and forget the silly idea of creating an app for the phone.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Nov 30, 03:05 PM 2018
General

Warning Level 30% (being watched)

:xd: :xd:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 30, 07:34 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Nov 29, 01:51 PM 2018
Lol.

Almost, though.

Anyway a hg must be played flat, I think.
Not necessary.

Holy grail means the "bet" must win.

The "bet" can be 1bet on a single spin or multiple bets.

The "bet"size has to stay inside the min-max table limit offered by the casino.

Negative progression does not automatically make it a loser.
(In this Caleb is WRONG. And he is wrong in many other aspects of math with evidence - fact not an opinion.)

Is this holy grail bet possible ?

No one who found this hg bet will ever post it on forums. They won't mention it at all.

This automatically invalidates Steve's $100,000 challenge which try to proof that winning systems bet do not exist at all.

The more relevant question to YOU as members of roulette forums is do forums like this one contain system bet material posted by members that help you be better gamblers ?

The answer is yes.

I don't have to point you to the relevant threads - be resourceful.

Another interpretation of holy grail is the "bet" wins more than it loses itlr.
This means the system bet has a net positive edge.

For that to be possible, it means the bet have an edge large enough to overcome the house edge.

Do such systems bet exist ?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 30, 08:15 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Nov 29, 01:51 PM 2018
Lol.

Almost, though.

Anyway a hg must be played flat, I think.
The best example of how a net positive edge works itlr ...

The casino plays this roulette game armed with the house edge - 2.7% for European wheel.

The casino "bet" against the gambler and this roulette game has to be played within the table min-max limit set by the casino.

The casino do not control any other variable, example what to bet, when to bet, how much to bet and so on.....
Such discretionary decision is left to the gambler.
The casino guarantees they place a corresponding opposite bet to your bet that you have the pleasure to chose.

The casinos make billions of profit with this simple unfair payout small house edge.

The same will happen If the systems player play with a net positive edge.

AP players claim they play with positive edge.

Steve and Caleb claim their rc, bias wheel and vb techniques win easily up to 150% edge.

You decide what you want to believe.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Nov 30, 09:33 PM 2018
Quote from: ignatus on Nov 30, 03:05 PM 2018
General

Warning Level 30% (being watched)

:xd: :xd:

I know it's absurd right!  :xd:
The problem is the moderation is ridiculously biased.  ( Turner.  Lol).

QuoteSteve and Caleb claim their rc, bias wheel and vb techniques win easily up to 150% edge.

Seems that you might be exaggerating just bit there.  ::). My edge is high, but not that high.   :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteGhost on Nov 30, 09:53 PM 2018
Caleb doesn’t have an edge

The house has an edge over Caleb

Caleb can expect to lose $5.26 per $100 spent as per the house edge on every chip on the table.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Nimo on Nov 30, 10:02 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 29, 09:41 AM 2018
If a game wins constantly, what makes you think that one who wins more than loses is better? Nimo does not make sense ... You say you have a very good form, if you have it programmed in Rx because he does not throw 2m of balls for Steve, just for the pleasure of silencing him and many others? When I get someone I can trust to program in Rx, I will throw the 2m of balls to keep my mouth shut, although I'm sure he'll keep saying that it's not HG for any excuse ... :lol:

Yes I do have good form

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/11/30/source.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/FRiCL)

The point I was making that If I can run this off in a few hours starting with $1000 bankroll, while not infallible, In a short time  I make way more money than the $100,000 being offered. 

A true holy grail is worth seven figures, not six. 
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Nov 30, 10:18 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 30, 09:33 PM 2018
Seems that you might be exaggerating just bit there.  ::). My edge is high, but not that high.   :twisted:

Theres 120% edge in the public demo video at :.roulette-computers.com
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Dec 01, 01:17 AM 2018
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 30, 09:53 PM 2018
Caleb doesn’t have an edge

The house has an edge over Caleb

Caleb can expect to lose $5.26 per $100 spent as per the house edge on every chip on the table.
Caleb only purpose on forums is to make this unsubstantiated claim.

This is a sales gimmick that makes him guilty of baiting.
He is allowed this activity since the forum owner fish in the same pool.

Ps Some member told me on pm that I may be banned. Not surprise.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 01, 02:48 AM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 01, 01:17 AM 2018
Caleb only purpose on forums is to make this unsubstantiated claim.

This is a sales gimmick that makes him guilty of baiting.
He is allowed this activity since the forum owner fish in the same pool.

Ps Some member told me on pm that I may be banned. Not surprise.
And what exactly is it that Caleb is selling?

LOL  ;D
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 01, 02:56 AM 2018
Relax Luckyfella,

I'm not your enemy.  If you need help, don't be afraid to ask. 

Cheers!   :D
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 01, 03:02 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Nov 30, 09:33 PM 2018

The problem is the moderation is ridiculously biased.  ( Turner.  Lol).

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 01, 03:43 AM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 01, 01:17 AM 2018He is allowed this activity since the forum owner fish in the same pool.

The same pool casinos fish in.
Reality.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 01, 03:49 AM 2018
When someone tells people theyre wrong, its only natural some take it personally, then think theres ulterior motives.

Imagine if they actually verified whats being said. They might understand they have the problem.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: maestro on Dec 01, 08:17 AM 2018
QuoteTheres 120% edge in the public demo video

perhaps you should understand better meaning of< demo>....if you show how your product works from kitchen of your house and then someone got it and go to casino i think even you would agree that external influences are just a bit  different than your kitchen.. :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 01, 09:40 AM 2018
Maestro, thats like your testing on simulators. Oh wait, you lose on them too.

With a real wheel in casino condition, there's no casino condition that can't be replicated. What do you think is different in my demos?

i could show you recorded or even live video of my computers beating actual casino wheels, but i wont.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: maestro on Dec 01, 02:08 PM 2018
QuoteOh wait, you lose on them too.

yeah... :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: maestro on Dec 01, 02:48 PM 2018
Quotei could show you recorded or even live video of my computers beating actual casino wheels, but i wont.



this person has no problem to show off on you tube why can you not.. :twisted: :twisted:

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 01, 06:17 PM 2018
That video appears to show short term system play, which anyone can do.

Serious purchasers of my computers can watch recorded videos from real casino play, which show everything from calculations, to predictions of where and when the ball will fall. They can even see live sessions, with real video inside the casino.  If youre a high roller joining my teams, you only pay part of winnings, no purchasing.

I could show you a video if you promise to keep it to yourself.

Youve got no idea what we do. I dont show it publicly.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: maestro on Dec 01, 11:42 PM 2018
QuoteYouve got no idea what we do

i hope you do :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 02, 03:35 AM 2018
Quote from: MaestroLaw of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

Maestro,

Have you looked at your long term profit on the MPR?  The last I checked it showed that you were losing at almost exactly the house edge.  Maybe you should consider abandoning that signature line ya think?  :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: maestro on Dec 02, 09:25 AM 2018
[quoteMaestro,

Have you looked at your long term profit on the MPR?  The last I checked it showed that you were losing at almost exactly the house edge.  Maybe you should consider abandoning that signature line ya think?][/quote]

thanks ....but no... :twisted:

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 02, 10:08 AM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 02, 03:35 AM 2018Maestro,

Have you looked at your long term profit on the MPR?  The last I checked it showed that you were losing at almost exactly the house edge.  Maybe you should consider abandoning that signature line ya think? 

Law of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

Maestro that moron has spoken
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 02, 04:23 PM 2018
It doesn't get more moronic to call someone a moron for highlighting your stats clearly show youre losing, then acting like youre winning.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 02, 04:55 PM 2018
Losing where?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 03, 01:50 AM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 02, 05:37 PM 2018
Gentlemen, I'm working hard with the dyksexlic, it's amazing, not even failed once, I carry thousands and thousands of balls with RNG and real casino, it does not fail!
But to my surprise I found a way to reduce it to the maximum and it is very effective, easy to apply.
In a forum, I do not know if it was this, I heard someone say that dyksexlic had commented something that had simplified it to dozens and columns or something like that, because there is where I am, in dozens and columns, I want to see how far it came to reduce investment capital and even if you earn more little by little, the performance is good.
I think that dyksexlic reached the point where I am now, after all it is the same but playing differently, you can play in any way as long as you know how to apply correctly.
Soon I will start to give to Rx the basic form on what dyksexlic refers, to pass a few tests, but I do not think of my advanced form or any of these that I am seeing now, I just want to see if with the basic form and pass the 2m of balls and see the face of Steve and others, seeing that I tell the truth and see if it really is a serious person and I would pay 100k ... :lol:
But I will never give the most advanced, it is my own holy grail. :wink: :thumbsup:

As long as you remain poor and your name not on Forbes, we will not believe that you have the HG
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 03, 02:02 AM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 02, 05:37 PM 2018
Gentlemen, I'm working hard with the dyksexlic, it's amazing, not even failed once, I carry thousands and thousands of balls with RNG and real casino, it does not fail!
But to my surprise I found a way to reduce it to the maximum and it is very effective, easy to apply.
In a forum, I do not know if it was this, I heard someone say that dyksexlic had commented something that had simplified it to dozens and columns or something like that, because there is where I am, in dozens and columns, I want to see how far it came to reduce investment capital and even if you earn more little by little, the performance is good.
I think that dyksexlic reached the point where I am now, after all it is the same but playing differently, you can play in any way as long as you know how to apply correctly.
Soon I will start to give to Rx the basic form on what dyksexlic refers, to pass a few tests, but I do not think of my advanced form or any of these that I am seeing now, I just want to see if with the basic form and pass the 2m of balls and see the face of Steve and others, seeing that I tell the truth and see if it really is a serious person and I would pay 100k ... :lol:
But I will never give the most advanced, it is my own holy grail. :wink: :thumbsup:

PassionRuleta,

Sorry, but we're full up with working systems around here.  Here everyone already has one. 
Thanks anyway.

Try posting about your roulette system at the wizardofvegas.com .   :thumbsup:  Over there everyone is still desperately looking for one, and everyone there as a great deal of money ready and waiting, to spend on working  roulette systems. 

Good luck,

-The General
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Dec 08, 10:12 PM 2018
Steve, another scammer who deserves the ban.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 08, 10:18 PM 2018
Passion, you want me to move 100k from investments and fly to spain... all based on your word alone?

If thats the case, i have two words for you. Ill stick with my current methods.

Alternatively you can follow my procedures which are safe and fair for both sides.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 08, 10:34 PM 2018
QuoteI have found what dyksexlic really does

Passion,

Sorry, but I've already discovered what it is that he's doing.  He sucks at math and just made a bunch of BS up that is nothing more than ridiculous nonsense.  An example is below.

QuoteThe 'pigeons' are merely a mathematical metaphor.
Consider the principle a 'conceptual visualisation tool'.
A 100% Mathematically guaranteed roulette bet is possible with the correct application.

QUESTION -
Prove that in a streak of 10 LOW roulette spins {1, 2, . . . , 18}, the selection
includes integers a and b such that a|b (that is, a divides b ââ,¬â€œ there exists an integer k such
that ak = b).

ANSWER -
Let the 'pigeons' be the 10 spins selected.
Define nine 'pigeonholes' corresponding to the odd spins 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, and 17.
Place each spin selected into the pigeonhole coresponding to its largest odd divisor (which must be one of 1, 3, 5, . . . , 17).
Notice that if x gets placed in the pigeonhole corresponding to the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0.
Since 10 spins are selected and placed in nine pigeonholes, some pigeonhole contains two spins a and b, where a < b.
Suppose this pigeonhole corresponds to the odd spin t. Then, a = 2rt and b = 2st, where are < s, so that a2s−r = b.
Since s−r is a positive spin, it follows that a|b.
Welcome to the Magical Land of Mathematics..!
[​IMG]

from DYKSEXLIC!

Sorry but even a high school math student can tell you that this Dyksexlic person is full of shit and likely never made it passed the sixth grade as is often the case with Gypsies trying to pull a scam.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 08, 10:46 PM 2018
I  especially love these math terms describing the odds and the system, "the odd spin m, then x = 2km for some spin k ≥ 0." Expecially the "≥ 0" Yep, those are terms right out of statistics and calculus 101! NOT!!! LOL!!!!
(link:s://media1.tenor.com/images/f2157b012f595444406df69db1fb0995/tenor.gif?itemid=4569315)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Dec 08, 11:03 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 08, 10:30 PM 2018
Do you think I'm a scam? so throw me! but you will be losing all the opportunity of the true holy grail.
I can only tell you that I am a serious person, with a group that works with me for many years and that I will be one of the few people in the world who study full time, morning, afternoon and evening about this game for many years.
I can remember that I started like everyone else, they also cheated me and I know what it is, that's why I would never do it and less with something as serious as that amount and less inviting my own city and home ... but I do not have to give you any explanation I am not negotiating with you, but I only inform you because I am tired of being judged without knowing me ...
I have found what dyksexlic really does and finally I have found the flat game that he makes to win without progression, that's why I am totally sure of what I have in my hands and because we have already carried many thousands of balls with my team this and it always works, real, rng and airball, it's all the same, WIN.
Many will say that I play and in a short time I will be rich, blah blah blah.
But I have this and I do what I want and if I want to get 100K without effort, because I do, because I feel like it, I hope it is clear to the whole forum.
I have left it, when he wants to start the challenge, he still has a lot of mouth because he believes that nobody has achieved that and now that a serious person presents himself with something serious, he will surely say any excuse or he will say that my conditions are not correct or any foolishness, but those are the conditions.
It will be very good after being 13 years fighting to earn a living with this game, to be able to get it and see how someone pays for my effort and dedication and to be able to pay what I need from my flat at once.

I just read your message...
And you want me to show my way of playing a person so that I can program it in rx and hope that after demonstrating it you will pay me 100K ... and everything based on your word ??
Because I should trust in your word and you in mine not? If I'm inviting you to my house?

Think about it ... I will do all the possible balls or the stays that you ask me or that you give me, even if it costs me time, but I will show it to you and then you will come when you have it clear, if you want.

Anyway, when I have many thousands of balls, I will read your article again, but I'm telling you now that I'm not going to do online paperwork ... only face to face :thumbsup:
You are full of shit gypsy scam that Steve wont ban you !
I will, right now !
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 08, 11:10 PM 2018
As caleb said, dyksexlic was full of shit. I explained before he was just a troll lying to everyone. His theories were incorrect and when i banned him, only his deluded followers thought i was trying to censor the hg.

So either you really don't know any better from your thousands of "balls", or you're trying to scam me.

There is no chance i'll visit you with no assurance, except your word. Nothing about your claims are remotely credible. Again my offer is fair and safe for both sides.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Taotie on Dec 09, 04:06 AM 2018
C'mon guys, enough of the sukdyklicks already....jeez it's been going on for years.

10 bucks says PassionRuleta is sukdyklicks back for another go.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Dec 09, 04:37 AM 2018
Quote from: Taotie on Dec 09, 04:06 AM 2018
C'mon guys, enough of the sukdyklicks already....jeez it's been going on for years.

10 bucks says PassionRuleta is sukdyklicks back for another go.
Up you 100bucks.
Don't you dare up again, I am ready for all in :twisted:

Passionfruitruleta, now be nice to book our bets :girl_to:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 09, 09:25 AM 2018
Passion,

can you send the link where you found the information on Dyssexlic's way?

Thanks
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 09, 09:49 AM 2018
Dyk's "100%" Thread

link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8906.0
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 09, 09:54 AM 2018
Passionruletta

You are claiming that you have the HG, can you prove ?

We don’t want to see graph, we need to see the profits you are making !
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Nimo on Dec 09, 10:13 AM 2018
Its already been posted

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/09/source.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/FgSwZ)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 09, 10:29 AM 2018
Quote from: Nimo on Dec 09, 10:13 AM 2018
Its already been posted

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/09/source.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/FgSwZ)


No I want to see a proof of the profits he making playing real
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 09, 12:02 PM 2018
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 09, 09:49 AM 2018
Dyk's "100%" Thread

link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8906.0

(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/09/source21708.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/FgYAa)

Lol!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Dec 09, 03:35 PM 2018
Can’t get over how many scammers on this forum😡
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 09, 05:40 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 09, 05:20 PM 2018The first time they say something they insult him, do not they believe?

People don't believe you because of many things you've said, not your first thing.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 09, 06:50 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 09, 06:24 PM 2018
I do not care that they do not believe me, what seems to me a lack of respect always with the same, insults continually towards my person calling me a swindler, they are the ones who should be expelled, if they want they can expel me, for my part I do not have problem, sooner or later I will disappear from all forums, .

Then lay off the bullshit and the secret squirrel games.  And referencing that absurd Dyksic guy isn't helping your claims.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: luckyfella on Dec 09, 06:53 PM 2018
Quote from: The General on Dec 09, 06:50 PM 2018
Then lay off the bullshit and the secret squirrel games.  And referencing that absurd Dyksic guy isn't helping your claims.
We all know he won't stop his dicksexlick bullshit
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 09, 06:56 PM 2018
Quotek ≥ 0." and this  "≥ 0"
This is bullshit and it's not the secret math to unlock a successful system.  It's just made up gibberish. 
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 09, 06:59 PM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 09, 06:53 PM 2018
We all know he won't stop his dicksexlick bullshit

Glad we agree on something. :)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 08:13 PM 2018
Has the general collected his $100,000 from Steve since he plays the flaws of the wheel?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: The General on Dec 09, 08:22 PM 2018
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 08:13 PM 2018
Has the general collected his $100,000 from Steve since he plays the flaws of the wheel?

Ghost,

Steve's challenge is to beat the RNG random.org game. 
Besides, I receive my money from the casino.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 08:23 PM 2018
For someone who claims to be the best it just seems like an easy $100,000

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 09, 08:23 PM 2018
RG you know the offer is only for RNG. I can already beat real wheels. It has been discussed before many times.

Are you trying to start trouble with Caleb? You complain about him, but you arent squeaky clean either. It was the same case with Ken - you aggravated him and complained about him. Ultimately he was the one who kept going. Now you are the one who keeps going.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteGhost on Dec 09, 09:05 PM 2018
I never read the details of the offer

I just thought a man of Caleb’s caliber could easily collect

Did not know it was RNG only.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Normy2000 on Dec 10, 04:22 PM 2018
Question to Rx users: Is it possible to run 2M spins in Rx?
The program allways stop between 400-500K spins???

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 10, 04:28 PM 2018
Probably a memory issue, related to your pc. Or incorrectly managed resources by rx.

Ask the developer.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Normy2000 on Dec 10, 04:34 PM 2018
I did ask them last week, no answer...
I think i will split the 2M file into 5x400K spins  :question: O0
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Blood Angel on Dec 10, 05:41 PM 2018
Quote from: Normy2000 on Dec 10, 04:22 PM 2018
Question to Rx users: Is it possible to run 2M spins in Rx?
The program allways stop between 400-500K spins???
Hi Normy,
I have run 1M spins a few times in Rx with no issues but haven’t tried any higher. So certainly more than 4-500k is possible.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Normy2000 on Dec 11, 07:56 AM 2018
Thanks for your reply Steve and Angelo.  8)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: TheMind on Dec 11, 08:38 AM 2018
Quote from: luckyfella on Nov 30, 07:34 PM 2018
Not necessary.

Holy grail means the "bet" must win.

The "bet" can be 1bet on a single spin or multiple bets.

The "bet"size has to stay inside the min-max table limit offered by the casino.

Negative progression does not automatically make it a loser.
(In this Caleb is WRONG. And he is wrong in many other aspects of math with evidence - fact not an opinion.)

Is this holy grail bet possible ?

No one who found this hg bet will ever post it on forums. They won't mention it at all.

This automatically invalidates Steve's $100,000 challenge which try to proof that winning systems bet do not exist at all.

The more relevant question to YOU as members of roulette forums is do forums like this one contain system bet material posted by members that help you be better gamblers ?

The answer is yes.

I don't have to point you to the relevant threads - be resourceful.

Another interpretation of holy grail is the "bet" wins more than it loses itlr.
This means the system bet has a net positive edge.

For that to be possible, it means the bet have an edge large enough to overcome the house edge.

Do such systems bet exist ?

Nope, HG means, that each bet doesn't have to win, but each bet has a positive expected value.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: TheMind on Dec 11, 08:48 AM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 29, 02:59 PM 2018
How much money do you play what I do, is it more than proven that it always happens and is well clarified by the teacher dijkstra, which is inevitable? When I find a serious Rx programmer and make the 2m of balls won, I'm going to close everyone's mouth and I'm going to disappear from the map. :lol: :thumbsup:

Why do you need a Rx programmer? Search for one developing in Python, Java, C++, C# .... the system logic can be developed in all of those programming languages. Do you really rely on the inbuilt Rx RNG? It's flawed. Better PRNG algorithms outside Rx, and best would be to use a CSPRNG. Finally random.org outputs. A crook can develop this after learning the development basics in 1 month to realize a system simulation. So just do it yourself and present a chart.

I also wonder about your team members. Nobody can develop software? Then your team isn't efficient.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: TheMind on Dec 11, 09:13 AM 2018
Why the test must be manually? You worked on the system, it's your idea, grown out of your brain. This was the manual way. For confirmation programming is needed.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RayManZ on Dec 11, 09:33 AM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 11, 09:23 AM 2018
If I need the programming of something automatic such as rx, but do not do it or trust anyone. I only have one person who is a programmer who makes me the program to help with the bet, nothing more.

You don't need RX. I have made many graphs and automatic tests just with PHP. You can do it in any program you like. There is nothing special about RX.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Dec 11, 03:57 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 11, 03:11 PM 2018
What is PHP? :question:

People Helping People
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Taotie on Dec 11, 09:29 PM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 11, 03:11 PM 2018What is PHP?


Here you go PassionRuleta. Just click the link to get started.

link:://bfy.tw/LJ0Q
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Dec 12, 12:59 AM 2018
You'd be better off learning to code RX yourself. It has its own language, with simple syntax. I think most people could learn to code a basic system in a day.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 23, 09:08 AM 2018
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Nov 26, 05:58 AM 2018
therefore I will not make the challenge unless I or one of my partners learns to program in Rx and thus be able to do it ...


I'm sure one of you partner can find a progression.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on May 27, 07:00 AM 2019
Hi Bigbroben,

Names Orca. And I'd like to take you up on your offer. I am new here. Probably make a fool of myself but willing to have a crack at your offer if it's legitimate? If you can tell me the rules I'll be happy to comply. My only condition is we do it out in the open for all to see. My system of course will be between you and behind close doors. Let me know when your ready.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Bigbroben on May 27, 08:31 AM 2019
What did I offer?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Anastasius on May 27, 08:42 AM 2019
I can beat excel million played spins. Like 10 million tracking as well. But it often goes to 100-150 max on a single number  .its too expensive for me to afford at real casino
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Anastasius on May 27, 09:38 AM 2019
Atually its brobens excel and i dunno what the progression is even doing it increase on one number every time it wins until at new high  then re set

So someone can test it if they wish
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on May 27, 07:02 PM 2019
Quote from: Orca on May 27, 07:00 AM 2019
Hi Bigbroben,

Names Orca. And I'd like to take you up on your offer. I am new here. Probably make a fool of myself but willing to have a crack at your offer if it's legitimate? If you can tell me the rules I'll be happy to comply. My only condition is we do it out in the open for all to see. My system of course will be between you and behind close doors. Let me know when your ready.

I think you mean to contact me. The challenge is my offer. Every single person who claimed to have the HG failed to get past even the first step. Remember typical betting limits apply, so you cant just apply unlimited betting progression with unlimited bankroll.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Loc on May 27, 07:25 PM 2019
Quote from: Steve on May 27, 07:02 PM 2019
I think you mean to contact me. The challenge is my offer. Every single person who claimed to have the HG failed to get past even the first step. Remember typical betting limits apply, so you cant just apply unlimited betting progression with unlimited bankroll.

I can beat one specific game design (Same algorithm), since it's rigged, and i get the info from one guy, which he got it from programmer that created that game and rig it to the casinos favor (Also the one who knows how it works..), but i am sure it don't apply here. So ye, you can beat RNG if you got info like i did (By accident).
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on May 27, 07:33 PM 2019
That wouldnt apply to the challenge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Loc on May 27, 08:25 PM 2019
 8)
Quote from: Steve on May 27, 07:33 PM 2019
That wouldnt apply to the challenge.

I see, but it's the only one way known to me at this point to do it effectively, except hack the server or anything, which would be illegal (I don't care to be honest, because they did exactly the same thing).
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Anastasius on May 27, 10:31 PM 2019
Can i video 30.ooo spin excel sheets one by one as i press f9?

Then scroll down to show a max single number bet of 100? It makes 10 bets every 37 spins.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on May 28, 03:52 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on May 27, 07:02 PM 2019
I think you mean to contact me. The challenge is my offer. Every single person who claimed to have the HG failed to get past even the first step. Remember typical betting limits apply, so you cant just apply unlimited betting progression with unlimited bankroll.

Ohhh hahaa apologies still trying to get my head around things here?

Ok I don't have lots of money so that suits me. My system is based on 3 spins, If you hit on the first spin session is over. If not I go again depending on the investment I usually dont double. If I hit on this one sessions over. If I miss play 3rd spin and this is when I double. Hit or miss session is over I leave the table to look for next trend.

The system I use is not a fixed strategy and I will invest according to the strength of the count. If it is a 9 count for instance I will sometimes go in hard as opposed to a 3 count. I'd be happy to demonstrate here for all to see.

If you or anyone else reading this for that matter, I am happy to take on multiple tests, (more the merrier)

SO this is how we do it

You collect 17 numbers that can either be real roulette spins or from RNG or both doesn't matter. As long as you can prove they came from one of these sources.

Then you post the first 14 of these numbers IN THE ORDER they came off the wheel. You hold the last 3 numbers. I will then give you my prediction on which numbers you are holding, I will hit 1 of those 3 numbers inside 3 investments. I have on occasion I hit all 3 numbers,

The $100k is nice but I rather go into business with you. You fund the investments I'll give you the stock we go 50/50.

Ready when you are.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on May 28, 04:14 AM 2019
I appreciate you sharing, but that approach wont work.

The challenge is not something to have a shot at. Its a serious offer for players who have already done extensive testing.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: snafu3six on May 28, 04:44 AM 2019
Quote from: Orca on May 28, 03:52 AM 2019
Ohhh hahaa apologies still trying to get my head around things here?

Ok I don't have lots of money so that suits me. My system is based on 3 spins, If you hit on the first spin session is over. If not I go again depending on the investment I usually dont double. If I hit on this one sessions over. If I miss play 3rd spin and this is when I double. Hit or miss session is over I leave the table to look for next trend.

The system I use is not a fixed strategy and I will invest according to the strength of the count. If it is a 9 count for instance I will sometimes go in hard as opposed to a 3 count. I'd be happy to demonstrate here for all to see.

If you or anyone else reading this for that matter, I am happy to take on multiple tests, (more the merrier)

SO this is how we do it

You collect 17 numbers that can either be real roulette spins or from RNG or both doesn't matter. As long as you can prove they came from one of these sources.

Then you post the first 14 of these numbers IN THE ORDER they came off the wheel. You hold the last 3 numbers. I will then give you my prediction on which numbers you are holding, I will hit 1 of those 3 numbers inside 3 investments. I have on occasion I hit all 3 numbers,

The $100k is nice but I rather go into business with you. You fund the investments I'll give you the stock we go 50/50.

Ready when you are.

3 28 13 30 24 25 19 19 31 4 12 17 10 3

left to right, right number is the last one that was spun
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Firefox on May 28, 11:01 AM 2019
QuoteOk I don't have lots of money so that suits me. My system is based on 3 spins, If you hit on the first spin session is over. If not I go again depending on the investment I usually dont double. 

If your system worked, you would have lots of money.

Simply play small stakes, build up a bankroll, play medium stakes, then play large stakes.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on May 28, 02:46 PM 2019
Quote from: Firefox on May 28, 11:01 AM 2019
If your system worked, you would have lots of money.

Simply play small stakes, build up a bankroll, play medium stakes, then play large stakes.

what if he has a losing system..
he plays large stakes,medium stakes, untill his bankroll is gone.. then he plays small stakes
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on May 31, 02:07 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on May 28, 04:14 AM 2019
I appreciate you sharing, but that approach wont work.

The challenge is not something to have a shot at. Its a serious offer for players who have already done extensive testing.

Noted. Thank you.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 01, 06:22 AM 2019
Passion, im not in the mood. I just died on level 91 of Bubble Bobble.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 01, 11:09 AM 2019
Quote from: PassionRuleta on May 31, 09:31 AM 2019
Why do not you share your system? If you do not want to share it with everyone, can you share it with me?
my email address is SCAMMER.es

What would you like to know?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 03, 06:40 PM 2019
I would like to know what your system is based on and why you believe it is a Holy Grail? Is there any science that can confirm that what you do is 100% like what Dyksexlic does?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 03, 09:51 PM 2019
Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 03, 06:40 PM 2019Is there any science that can confirm that what you do is 100% like what Dyksexlic does?

You're talking "science"? Dyksexlic was full of shit and had nothing. The "science" was clear about that.

It's like saying math and repeaters are opposites, when in fact the people who say this don't understand the math actually shows repeaters are useless.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Taotie on Jun 04, 05:06 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 03, 09:51 PM 2019Dyksexlic was full of shit

Ha!

You're the one that's full of shit.... bubble bobble level 91 my arse!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 05:45 AM 2019
 >:( F*ck you taotie, what would you know. I totally did all 100 levels shortly after. I may have spent $500 in virtual 20c coins but I did it.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 05:48 AM 2019
And then i blitzed r-type.

With the invincibility cheat.


Im having a mid-life crisis, going back and taking care of my unfinished business.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 05:55 AM 2019
Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 03, 06:40 PM 2019
I would like to know what your system is based on and why you believe it is a Holy Grail? Is there any science that can confirm that what you do is 100% like what Dyksexlic does?

Tell me what the numbers are between 1 and 8 and what number comes after 9. Then you will have a glimpse of what I do.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 06:06 AM 2019
2,3,4,5,6,7
And 10.

I have a glimpse.

(link:s://personalexcellence.co/files/shit.jpg)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 06:45 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 06:06 AM 2019
2,3,4,5,6,7
And 10.

I have a glimpse.

(link:s://personalexcellence.co/files/shit.jpg)

Hmmm well not what I saw? But that is interesting you would? Perhaps I can help clear some of that shit out of your head? May help you see things a little clearer.

You see what you done was exactly what roulette does. It operates by the law of natural order. The same order you operate by. Which is why you gave me the numbers from 1 to 8 in numerical order. Why didn't you give them to me as 4,7,2,5,6,3? Because that is not the natural order of things. We make the mistake of think the roulette wheel is random. It's not. We just don't know the natural order the numbers are coming out in. So they look random to you. Just like the picture you sent. You're mind can't see the order and so it crashes into a pile of shit. Frustrating I bet? (No pun intended). But if you knew how to read the order those numbers are coming out in suddenly it's not that mystical.

What comes after 9 - 345, 56, 900, 232 in fact a infinity of numbers come after 9. But yet you chose 10? Why? Of all the numbers available you say 10. It's because you had no control over the law of natural order. It's innate. The roulette wheel has no control over what comes out. It too must comply to the same law. It's up to the player to work out where in the order it is.

It's like the Holy Grail you all seem to go on about? It astounds me that so many think it's a system they can create or discover? The Holy Grail already exists it has been taking your money from you over and over. You keep looking for it when it has been playing against you this whole time. Want to own the HG buy a casino. Casinos designed and own the Holy Grail if you never knew this you need to seek help for your gambling addiction.

It's the same as thinking wheel bias or dealer signature is the HG...it's not. Both these things belong to the casino control by the casino...But they cannot control the natural order of things.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 07:19 AM 2019
Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 06:45 AM 2019Hmmm well not what I saw?

I have 20/20 pilots vision.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 06:45 AM 2019Perhaps I can help clear some of that shit out of your head?

That would be awesome, thankyou, oh wise one.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 06:45 AM 2019It operates by the law of natural order.

Oh that one. I thought it might be the law of thermodynamic hyperbolic googleplexixer elasticity.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 06:45 AM 2019We just don't know the natural order the numbers are coming out in.

The only order comes from cause and effect. There are also fractals, but they are retrospective and dont help as far as i know.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 06:45 AM 2019. So they look random to you. Just like the picture you sent.

It isnt random. A bull chewed the grass, digested it, then excreted the waste. See, cause and effect. The grass then feeds on it, and grows. Is that the natural order?

(link:s://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11907667.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/The-Lion-King.jpg)
Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 06:45 AM 2019You're mind can't see the order and so it crashes into a pile of shit. Frustrating I bet?

You bet. The ball never lands where i bet. I think the casinos use magnetic balls. My system works.

Black and white seal-stalking porpoise, your post is just dribble. Can you give us something clear that can be tested to support your hyopthesis? Or are you going to give more dribble, hoping people think youre onto something? Please, give something worthwhile. Id sincerely be happy to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:39 AM 2019
Mr. Orca, I sent you two private messages in the Forum, when I can answer please. Thank you
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 07:47 AM 2019
Look orca, potential victim. Or is it the other way around?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 07:54 AM 2019
Sorry did I hit a nerve? Didn't mean to upset you. You are clearly the alpha male here and looking at the amount of shit you post It's clear to see you are intimidated. But please do be. I will be at the the crown casino in Melbourne perhaps we can shake hands and see if  perhaps I can show you in person how easy it is to predict roulette. I'll be in the Mahogany Room Thursday and Friday night. Your know me I'll be the one at the table playing with $5 chips.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 07:58 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 07:47 AM 2019
Look orca, potential victim. Or is it the other way around?

Hahaa the only victim here is you who still doesn't understand what the Holy Grail is.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 08:19 AM 2019
Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 07:54 AM 2019Sorry did I hit a nerve?

Yes, i am devastated.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 07:54 AM 2019It's clear to see you are intimidated.

You see straight through me.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 07:54 AM 2019perhaps I can show you in person how easy it is to predict roulette

I am eager to learn.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 07:54 AM 2019I'll be the one at the table playing with $5 chips.

That doesn't really narrow it down. What color tshirt will you be wearing? Will you have a hat? What about shoe color?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 08:22 AM 2019
Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:39 AM 2019
Mr. Orca, I sent you two private messages in the Forum, when I can answer please. Thank you

There are only 37 possibilities in roulette. This makes it a closed system. The ball will not land on 47 black. Of those 37 outcomes each number has a natural order when to appear. This has nothing to do with dealer signature, wheel bias, revolutions per second how old you are if the car you drive is black red or white. The 3 or 5 is going to appear when the order demands it.

If the roulette wheel was truly random there would be nothing to prevent it from giving a outcome of red 7yrs in a row. Or the number 13 showing up 4,000 times in a row. But this has never happened. And it never will happen. Which proves the roulette wheel is not random. In fact if you look at all the red and black odds and evens these all balance out in the end to be even. I guess thats why the Holy Grail system will only pay even money?  Learn to read the pattern of the numbers and you can place your your order before the dealer picks up the ball.

Don't play 36 numbers. Learn to break the numbers down to 9.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 08:24 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 08:19 AM 2019
Yes, i am devastated.

You see straight through me.

I am eager to learn.

That doesn't really narrow it down. What color tshirt will you be wearing? Will you have a hat? What about shoe color?

it's ok friend. You will learn to come to terms with it. Ego effects most. Your be fine. Maybe don't post so much shit next time. That would be a start.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 08:38 AM 2019
You got it wrong. We don't see 4000 consecutive 13s because it's improbable, not impossible. You know the sequence 1,2,3 happens as often as 32,14,2 or 13,13,13 right?

Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 08:22 AM 2019But this has never happened. And it never will happen. Which proves the roulette wheel is not random

This is where your logic falls apart. You aren't understanding basic probability.

The rest of what you said is equally amateurish.

Please don't waste everyone's time.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 08:44 AM 2019
Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 08:22 AM 2019
There are only 37 possibilities in roulette. This makes it a closed system. The ball will not land on 47 black. Of those 37 outcomes each number has a natural order when to appear. This has nothing to do with dealer signature, wheel bias, revolutions per second how old you are if the car you drive is black red or white. The 3 or 5 is going to appear when the order demands it.

If the roulette wheel was truly random there would be nothing to prevent it from giving a outcome of red 7yrs in a row. Or the number 13 showing up 4,000 times in a row. But this has never happened. And it never will happen. Which proves the roulette wheel is not random. In fact if you look at all the red and black odds and evens these all balance out in the end to be even. I guess thats why the Holy Grail system will only pay even money?  Learn to read the pattern of the numbers and you can place your your order before the dealer picks up the ball.


Don't play 36 numbers. Learn to break the numbers down to 9.
How do I identify these patterns and what is the basis for what you are trying to tell us?
I would like to talk to you privately, here you will only find scammers who do not want you to take away their clients and that is why you receive those messages that you are receiving, they are afraid ... hahaha.
When you can answer me the private messages that you send in the forum, if you look at messages you will see them.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 04, 08:52 AM 2019
Orca that’s what I’ve bee saying on my beat the wheel thread (beat the out side bets  and you have the hg .but what do I know .haha


Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 04, 09:29 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 08:38 AM 2019
You got it wrong. We don't see 4000 consecutive 13s because it's improbable, not impossible. You know the sequence 1,2,3 happens as often as 32,14,2 or 13,13,13 right?

This is where your logic falls apart. You aren't understanding basic probability.

The rest of what you said is equally amateurish.

Please don't waste everyone's time.
Steve it’s clear that your a computer professional but you can’t forget that your forum  is a sytem forum. There is another forum that is all about computer vb etc.why not Chang it to computer forum and we will all move to bet selection .cc I think your waiting  your time with this forum.but then again your looking for sales and that’s fine .
Title: ~
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 10:09 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 08:38 AM 2019
You got it wrong. We don't see 4000 consecutive 13s because it's improbable, not impossible. You know the sequence 1,2,3 happens as often as 32,14,2 or 13,13,13 right?

This is where your logic falls apart. You aren't understanding basic probability.

The rest of what you said is equally amateurish.

Please don't waste everyone's time.

YES! Thank you for confirming that! You are correct . We don't see 4000 consecutive 13s because it's improbable! In a closed system such as roulette there is no room for this to be natural. You see  you're getting it. Just as 1,2,3 happens as often as 32,14,2 or 13,13,13 because they still must comply to the natural order of things. like red and black do.  Each take their turn to full the natural order. One day you will to! But for now that must have been really difficult for you to admit so take a break. We dont want you to have another brain fart and...well you have shown us what that leads to.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 04, 10:24 AM 2019
Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 08:52 AM 2019
.but what do I know .haha

A little more than you give yourself credit for.

Data analysis is only as good as the computer you are feeding it into. So it's not that computers don't work it's the computer doesn't know what to do with the data thats been feed in to it.. Computer is failing through poor programming. Poor programming is a direct result of the designer not understanding the game to begin with. Program a computer to read the wheels natural order and you will have a serious weapon.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 04, 10:44 AM 2019
Orca
You are trying to dive where it’s not allowed !

Your logic is true but only on piece of paper... the math can’t defeat this game
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Firefox on Jun 04, 10:58 AM 2019
Quote from: Orca on Jun 04, 10:24 AM 2019Program a computer to read the wheels natural order and you will have a serious weapon.

There is no natural order to a wheel. A wheel is a random number generator. Therefore you cannot program a computer to take advantage of any mathematical order.

You can take advantage of some physical properties or defects but not always. This will vary from wheel to wheel, dealer to dealer and session to session.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: andreib1986 on Jun 04, 11:40 AM 2019
I like when someone tries to stand against the evidence, i did that some years... but Orca, please admit that if your system cant beat a random number generator, it will not beat the wheel either, otherwise you are lying to yourself. The roullete is still a RNG even if its a physical thing, and I am saying this for your own sake, not to spoil your confident mood.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 05:01 PM 2019
Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 09:29 AM 2019you can’t forget that your forum  is a sytem forum

Its a roulette forum. Here you are in common ground between system flat earth stuff (the system player's forum), and the round earth people (AP forum).
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 06:16 PM 2019
Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 09:29 AM 2019Steve it’s clear that your a computer professional

What makes you think my knowledge and experience is limited to computers?

Since youre all for systems, tell me, do repeaters work? Show me a single system principle that is better than random bets.

Should we call rubbish good stuff?

There are numerous experienced players here who understand the basics and more. They must be selling something too. If you dont like errors being highlighted, post in the system players area. Nobody is allowed to say youre wrong there.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 04, 06:20 PM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 05:01 PM 2019
Its a roulette forum. Here you are in common ground between system flat earth stuff (the system player's forum), and the round earth people (AP forum).
So who’s right?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 04, 06:23 PM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 06:16 PM 2019
What makes you think my knowledge and experience is limited to computers?

Since youre all for systems, tell me, do repeaters work? Show me a single system principle that is better than random bets.

Should we call rubbish good stuff?

There are numerous experienced players here who understand the basics and more. They must be selling something too. If you dont like errors being highlighted, post in the system players area. Nobody is allowed to say youre wrong there.
I don’t think that because  I don’t know you personally .But it’s clear what you advertise on here so I’m only repeating what you’ve said for the last 20 years.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 06:25 PM 2019
Are you as good at computing as you may not know how to destroy any algorithm?
Are collisions inevitable?
When you want, you answer me ...
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 04, 06:26 PM 2019
Systems work until they don’t .
Repeats work until they don’t
Computers work until they don’t
Nothing is forever.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 06:28 PM 2019
If possible, stop manipulating my photos and other things in my profile, because if you are going to put what you want in my profile, then the scam is you ... Why do you have to manipulate the profile? For what is this? Fear??
You have very little shame!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 06:53 PM 2019
Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 06:23 PM 2019I don’t think that because  I don’t know you personally

You dont need to know me personally. Show me where I have been wrong about anything I have said about roulette, and back up what you say.

Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 06:23 PM 2019it’s clear what you advertise on here so I’m only repeating what you’ve said for the last 20 years.

That statement doesn't even make sense. You repeat what I said for the last 20 years because of what I advertise?? Nevermind. I cant respond to something that makes no sense.

Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 06:26 PM 2019Systems work until they don’t .
Repeats work until they don’t

... or how about they never worked in the first place, and any "profit" is statistical variance?

Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 06:26 PM 2019Nothing is forever.

As far as I'm aware, math is.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 06:25 PM 2019
Are you as good at computing as you may not know how to destroy any algorithm?
Are collisions inevitable?
When you want, you answer me ...

Destroy an algorithm? What??

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 06:25 PM 2019Are collisions inevitable?

Your question is vague. If one rock sits on Earth, another rock is in another dimension, they are unlikely to EVER collide.

Two asteroids in space will probably never collide, ever. They're more likely to be dissolved.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 06:28 PM 2019If possible, stop manipulating my photos and other things in my profile, because if you are going to put what you want in my profile, then the scam is you ... Why do you have to manipulate the profile? For what is this? Fear??
You have very little shame!

1. That's strange coming from someone who lied to everyone in the forum, then tried to scam them by selling a losing system, then claiming you were not here to sell anything, then secretly spamming members via PM to try and scam them. Then you come back under your name spelled backwards. You shouldn't even be here. And neither should new members that immediately start BAITING and speaking pure dribble, which is against the rules.

2. Changing a member's avatar is not something I would do to normal members. you are someone who was banned and keeps coming back. And considering your attempts to scam people secretly via PM, you are not able to PM. So I assume you'll create another profile. Dont talk to me about having no shame.




Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Firefox on Jun 04, 06:54 PM 2019
I'm not selling anything, nor do I intend to. I've no vested interest in what Steve sells or what Turbo and the other maths system people sell. But I can tell you Steve is 100% right.

Systems and the order of the wheel are like religion for some so unless you prove it for yourself you aren't going to be convinced. So simulate your system.

Run it over 1000, 10,000, 100,000 and a million spins. Do it multiple times. Computing power is cheap today. If you can't do it yourself, then learn to programme, or pay someone to do it for you. You will eventually see the trend and the light.

Don't rely on other people's simulations and the graphs they post because I guarantee they are very selective with the truth. You won't get an accurate picture. Be in control of your own simulation.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019
It's only fear what you have! You show it to me when you want to discredit everyone who knows how to play and win.
You think you are the best and the only one, you believe God and you really know that you are not.
When I have the program ready I will leave you quiet with 2 million balls and then you will say another excuse and you will continue with your comments.
You have all the ballots to be a worker of the casinos, every time I have it more clear! You show that you are helping people trying to make them see that we are all losers and fools, and you are always trying to tell everyone that we can not win and give 100k to anyone who can destroy the challenge, that only a casino would do, no person normal I would!
Do not think you're the only one who can identify who is who and manipulate everything, there are many very good hackers that could identify even what shoes you have right now, do not think you're the best.
I am working with a great hacker right now and we have already identified what the casinos do with the algorithms and it can be done manually, but I want to leave you quiet with a good program and destroy 2m of balls so you can see that you are not the best and that you are not honest either saying what you do, or for whom you work.
We all know that this type of forum is only to identify people of great level to identify how they play and remedy what they do, that's why all they know how to win disappear, they are not stupid.
Let's not be naive gentlemen, these forums are not to help or study, but to identify ways of gambling risk for the casino, let's be a little smart.
Or do you think that casinos are not aware of these forums? Hahaha, do not make me laugh.
Notice and advised not to give any real win information in these forums, the next day will no longer work. It happened years ago in a forum! They are warned!
They can keep saying that I am a Scammer and that I do not know what I'm saying and I do not know what he said!
If they want a Council, do they want to win at roulette? Study the algorithms, study what Dyksexlic really talks about and you will realize that if you can win at roulette with the inevitable failures that algorithms have, nothing is perfect, nor can algorithms destroy the laws of nature! Maths!!
Whoever says otherwise has no idea of ​​the laws of nature! Keep thinking that you know everything and keep thinking that everything Steve says is correct and that is God and makes and desace the universe with two fingers!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 08:17 PM 2019
Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019It's only fear what you have!

It's not just me who says certain things about math and reality.  It's every expert in math, statistics, gaming, engineering, physics etc. We are all afraid of passion's PM system selling.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019You think you are the best and the only one, you believe God and you really know that you are not.

It is possible I know roulette better than anyone. After all I've been doing it 20+ years almost every day, and have done extensive work in this field. But am I the only one who understands AP or at least the basics? No. There are countless people.

Passion, I'm not convinced you even completed high school. You probably didnt.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019When I have the program ready I will leave you quiet with 2 million balls and then you will say another excuse and you will continue with your comments.

So you havent even tested yet? When you do, and if your system works, good for you - go make money.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019You show that you are helping people trying to make them see that we are all losers and fools, and you are always trying to tell everyone that we can not win

Should I lie and tell everyone a proven losing approach works?

Should I lie and tell everyone the odds and payout discrepancy is irrelevant.

Am I lying when I say you can only beat roulette by increasing accuracy of predictions?

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019there are many very good hackers that could identify even what shoes you have right now, do not think you're the best.

Im not wearing shoes.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019I am working with a great hacker right now and we have already identified what the casinos do with the algorithms and it can be done manually, but I want to leave you quiet with a good program and destroy 2m of balls so you can see that you are not the best and that you are not honest either saying what you do, or for whom you work.

Then just go and make your money and stop trying to sell to people secretly via PM. Nobody here supported or believed you.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019We all know that this type of forum is only to identify people of great level to identify how they play and remedy what they do, that's why all they know how to win disappear, they are not stupid.
Let's not be naive gentlemen, these forums are not to help or study, but to identify ways of gambling risk for the casino, let's be a little smart.

People share what they want. That's what forums are for. It's not a casino conspiracy to discover your winning systems.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019Or do you think that casinos are not aware of these forums? Hahaha, do not make me laugh.

Casinos mostly laugh at the systems on forums. The only material they take seriously pertains to AP, or specifically strategies that actually change odds.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019They can keep saying that I am a Scammer and that I do not know what I'm saying and I do not know what he said!

They will keep thinking you're a scammer, for as long as you keep telling people you're not selling anything, while trying to scam people via PM.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 04, 07:31 PM 2019do they want to win at roulette? Study the algorithms, study what Dyksexlic really talks about

Many educated and experienced people already have. And Dyksexlic's theories were terrible and typical fallacy.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 08:27 PM 2019
And Passion, you're not the only person who attempted to scam people here, repeatedly, then attacked me because they were restricted from the forum.

Why should you care so much if you have the HG? Why are you wasting time telling everyone here how great you are, and how full of shit I am?

Why did you tell everyone you weren't selling anything, then secretly contacted members via PM to try and sell to them? You lied. There is no doubt.

You're an obvious scammer, and now upset you were rightfully stopped by the admin.

I'm not wasting more time with you. Take your scam elsewhere.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 04, 10:07 PM 2019
You sell computers for roulette ,I’m guessing you’ve done this for the last 20 years how doesn’t  that make sense .You need to calm down you seem a little angry .
Apologies if I have offended you.
To all the people on this forum if you want to win at this stupid game long term buy your self a roulette computer enough said do not post anymore systems . They don’t work period .there is no proof that any systems work .dont waist your time.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 10:33 PM 2019
I'm not angry. If anything I'm frustrated at stupidity, and slow-learning people. I don't have patience for it anymore.

Some people are so dim you could flash irrefutable proof right in front of them, for years, and they still look up in the sky waiting for fairies to fly by.

And i'm not just referring to roulette either.

Quote from: Winner on Jun 04, 10:07 PM 2019To all the people on this forum if you want to win at this stupid game long term buy your self a roulette computer enough said do not post anymore systems . They don’t work period .there is no proof that any systems work .dont waist your time.

Now you're just being childish.

Again, I am not saying "systems" don't work. I am saying the same old crap that has been tested countless times and proven to fail doesn't work. And that people should learn this quickly, and start focusing on NEW methods.

It doesn't have to be anything like traditional AP. It just needs to be SOMETHING NEW.

Most members and new roulette players burn themselves out on approaches that are guaranteed to fail, without  considering what experienced players try to explain. Then in the end they throw their hands up saying "That's it. I'm done. Roulette is unbeatable."

Again, none of this has anything to do with what I sell. I dont give a crap if you or anyone doesn't like the idea of computers or AP.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 04, 10:46 PM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 10:33 PM 2019
I'm not angry. If anything I'm frustrated at stupidity, and slow-learning people. I don't have patience for it anymore.

Some people are so dim you could flash irrefutable proof right in front of them, for years, and they still look up in the sky waiting for fairies to fly by.

And i'm not just referring to roulette either.

Now you're just being childish.

Again, I am not saying "systems" don't work. I am saying the same old crap that has been tested countless times and proven to fail doesn't work. And that people should learn this quickly, and start focusing on NEW methods.

It doesn't have to be anything like traditional AP. It just needs to be SOMETHING NEW.

Most members and new roulette players burn themselves out on approaches that are guaranteed to fail, without  considering what experienced players try to explain. Then in the end they throw their hands up saying "That's it. I'm done. Roulette is unbeatable."

Again, none of this has anything to do with what I sell. I dont give a crap if you or anyone doesn't like the idea of computers or AP.
Childish come on Steve I’m in my 50s when I say something there meaning behind it .carful with your remarks.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 04, 10:58 PM 2019
I understood what you were trying to say. It was misguided. If you've been paying attention you'll know what i repeated above.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 05, 05:05 AM 2019
Quote from: andreib1986 on Jun 04, 11:40 AM 2019
I like when someone tries to stand against the evidence, i did that some years... but Orca, please admit that if your system cant beat a random number generator, it will not beat the wheel either, otherwise you are lying to yourself. The roullete is still a RNG even if its a physical thing, and I am saying this for your own sake, not to spoil your confident mood.

I freely admit my system will not beat the wheel in the long run. No system will. I think one of the reasons I have attracted so much attention is because I don't really care about the game or about who plays it. I do't play the game to beat it. I dont play the game for the hit of endorphins gamblers get when they win. I play the to take from it when the opportunity presents itself and for no other reason.

The wheel will destroy an system over a period of time. This is why no one will ever pass the million spin test. May as well be 45yrs no loss before its kind of creditable. All this talk is the talk of gamblers and losers. I am not a gambler. Certainly dont need to play roulette so hardly a loser. Haven't spent anywhere near the years many here claim to have.

I spent 6yrs paper trading. I used Random.Org as well as live dealers as well as recorded spins. I only began live trading 2yrs ago. So to answer your question, NOT only does my system beat RNG it was born off the back of them.

My system is a hit and run approach. I will walk from table to table looking for the pattern that stands out. Take the 4 numbers straight up and cover the column. 5 14 23 32 for instance all in the second column and pay 4 units for insurance. The hardest part of this system is moving from table to table waiting for an invitation. So yes I admit my system will not win over the long play at the same table. But it will win in the short play and if your be patient. Of course not every pattern plays out but I dont need every game to. I only need 8 wins and Im done.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 05, 05:19 AM 2019
Then what you have is just another losing system.

The results you described are what random bets and the martingale achieve. But you presented your system as if it were something special.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 05, 05:49 AM 2019
Like I said I don't play for the thrill I play for the cash. I see a opening I take it and run. Like a thief. Sneak in the backdoor and run out the front.  Never stay long enough to be caught. Because that would be stupidity. Whatever you want to call it I don't care. Like I said I'm not a gambler. But if there is free cash waiting to be had I'll have it. Not ashamed to say it.

But if you are telling me you have a system that pulls hit after hit at the same table 8hrs straight in one sitting day in and day week after week month after month then the casinos most certainly would have brought you by now and you would be working for them.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 05, 05:57 AM 2019
Youve got no idea.

Youre a gambler.

And you dont know anything about advantage play.

But whatever. Do your thing.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Firefox on Jun 05, 06:11 AM 2019
Quote from: Orca on Jun 05, 05:05 AM 2019
My system is a hit and run approach. I will walk from table to table looking for the pattern that stands out. Take the 4 numbers straight up and cover the column. 5 14 23 32 for instance all in the second column and pay 4 units for insurance. The hardest part of this system is moving from table to table waiting for an invitation. So yes I admit my system will not win over the long play at the same table. But it will win in the short play and if your be patient. Of course not every pattern plays out but I dont need every game to. I only need 8 wins and Im done.

But you aren't bringing anything useful to the table.

Playing birthday numbers is a hit and run approach. You can win big playing birthday numbers in half an hour or any other selection.

Looking for "patterns that stand out" is no different to playing birthday numbers or any other system which does not offer an increase in prediction accuracy.

The only good advice you offer is that if you must play, play for half an hour then walk away.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 05, 07:30 AM 2019
Quote from: Firefox on Jun 05, 06:11 AM 2019
But you aren't bringing anything useful to the table.

Playing birthday numbers is a hit and run approach. You can win big playing birthday numbers in half an hour or any other selection.

Looking for "patterns that stand out" is no different to playing birthday numbers or any other system which does not offer an increase in prediction accuracy.

The only good advice you offer is that if you must play, play for half an hour then walk away.

So if you predict 4 numbers and hit 1 of them 8 out of 10 games thats random? What you don't know is how I came about those 4 numbers and why they are always in 1 column. 5 14 23 32 aren't random numbers. You pride yourselves on understanding roulette you dont even have the basic understanding around the natural order of numbers?  Learn what those numbers are. There is nothing random about them. Here is another set 1 10 19 28 like 3 12 21 30. Nothing random about these numbers at all.

I don't give care about what I bring to table it's what I take from it. This seems to be something you are all struggling with? Concentrate on winning at any extreme. You do not have a system that can predict 4 numbers before the dealer picks up the ball. I do.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 05, 07:35 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 05, 05:57 AM 2019
Youve got no idea.

Youre a gambler.

And you dont know anything about advantage play.

But whatever. Do your thing.

Hahaaa you wouldn't know a gambler if you looked in the mirror. You are right for a change I have a clue what advantage play is? And I don't care.  I just like taking whats not mine. Cashing it at the window and grabbing a cold beer on the way out.

Not that I need your permission but thanks I will do my thing.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 05, 07:42 AM 2019
Quote from: Orca on Jun 05, 07:30 AM 2019So if you predict 4 numbers and hit 1 of them 8 out of 10 games thats random?

It isnt even the ballpark of statistical significance.

Quote from: Orca on Jun 05, 07:30 AM 2019What you don't know is how I came about those 4 numbers and why they are always in 1 column.

Columns. You've got a lot to learn. You've got no idea what I'm talking about.

Orca, I'll say it clearly. You're inexperienced, clueless and deluded. And you probably have a gambling problem.  But by all means, you are free to teach members a lesson. Just keep the forum rules in mind.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Orca on Jun 05, 08:55 AM 2019
Quote from: Steve on Jun 05, 07:42 AM 2019
It isnt even the ballpark of statistical significance.

Columns. You've got a lot to learn. You've got no idea what I'm talking about.

Orca, I'll say it clearly. You're inexperienced, clueless and deluded. And you probably have a gambling problem.  But by all means, you are free to teach members a lesson. Just keep the forum rules in mind.

Not here to teach anyone anything. I came here because I was told there was a smart bloke here who was looking to make money. I offered to you right from the very start to prove to you my system but you weren't interested so I figured ok? No danger. I respond to someones question on here then you set upon me like a bitch on heat?? I'm not interested in selling my system I'm only interested in making money. Like I said $100k is nice but I'm looking to retire and a $100k is f#ck all. You couldn't buy a house in the worse part of Mumbai with that. 

Turns out I was wasting my time.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Firefox on Jun 05, 11:29 AM 2019
You are wasting your time.

You want someone to fund your gambling for a system you admit loses long term ?  :xd:

You must think there's a sucker born every minute!

I've got some better business advice for you. Go and live in Nigeria and set up a few free yahoo email addresses. Maybe something like barrister-ngdingi3232@yahoo.com . Then send out a few hundred  thousand emails. You'll  get  more takers than you will here.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 04:11 PM 2019
He blocked me from private messages

PD: what matters are the intentions of people to improve and everyone must listen, there are people who do not want to listen for fear that they run out of the bargain of having foolish people working for them, that's why they get angry and go against everyone who claims to have something good. If that gentleman had something good he would be playing and would not have to make a forum to see if he can find something better than his own, but he is still here trying to hunt people to do the dirty work that he is afraid to do in case he gets caught with cameras and electronic devices in the casino, he is very smart, but there are people who are not stupid and there are people that we already know for whom he works.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 05, 07:26 PM 2019
Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 04:11 PM 2019He blocked me from private messages

You kept speaking nonsense about how great your system is. You were warned once when you tried to sell your system outside the sales area. You said you werent selling anything. But then later you were caught secretly messaging members to sell your system.

You are blocked from PMs because you lied, and are trying to scam people.

Then you created your new profile and created this bullshit story:

Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 03:35 PM 2019
I'm a girl, my name is Astrid.
I like this world of roulette because my father was a great fan of the game and a very good player, he got a very easy way to win, which is what I play with and the truth that he always wins, but he won little a little.
Is there a problem because it's a girl?

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 04:11 PM 2019there are people who do not want to listen for fear that they run out of the bargain of having foolish people working for them

The "foolish people" get a pretty large edge.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 04:11 PM 2019that's why they get angry and go against everyone who claims to have something good

I get angry when scammers like you spam the forum trying to scam people, and keep coming back under different names.

Casinos are not threatened by your system or anything Dyke preached. And Im not interested in your system. You don't even understand basics.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 04:11 PM 2019he is still here trying to hunt people to do the dirty work

I'm looking for serious players and high-rollers who understand the value of strong and reliable edge. These are smart people who long ago understood the basics of roulette.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 04:11 PM 2019there are people who are not stupid and there are people that we already know for whom he works.

I work for myself, and with other experienced players. You insinuating I work for casinos is amusing.

If you have nothing to offer here, and just want to speak more shit and try to scam people again, you have no business here. You had ample chances to follow the forum rules with your other username. Now you are back with another username to complain your scam was stopped.

Again, take your scam elsewhere.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 07:34 PM 2019
you keep publishing what you want, more text is missing, but you only publish what you want.
I have to make it very clear that the biggest scammer in the forum is you and I have proof!
Do you even know that you are cheating at the casinos and you say you use your machines to make screens? do not make me laugh more man.
Do you think that casinos know that you have electronic devices and do nothing? you are laughing at me and everyone, clown!
Take off the mask you have, you have no shame!
THIS MAN WORKS FOR CASINOS, THESE ARE WARNED!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 05, 08:55 PM 2019
So you have nothing to say about you lying about not trying to sell your system, then trying to secretly sell to members via PM? Nothing to say about your fake IDs and lies about who you are?

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 07:34 PM 2019I have to make it very clear that the biggest scammer in the forum is you and I have proof!

Go on, give us your proof.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 07:34 PM 2019Do you even know that you are cheating at the casinos and you say you use your machines to make screens?

We follow the laws regarding what is considered "cheating". We don't "cheat". We play where "cheating" is "tampering" with game outcomes. We don't do that.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 07:34 PM 2019Do you think that casinos know that you have electronic devices and do nothing?

Most casinos have absolutely no idea. That's why we continue to win. And when casinos suspect a player is using a computer, they close bets earlier. I've explained it many times - we avoid detection and win before casinos notice. This is done for ANY method that beats casinos - with or without electronics.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 05, 07:34 PM 2019THIS MAN WORKS FOR CASINOS, THESE ARE WARNED!

I'm cheating casinos, but I work for them?

Passion, give it your best shot. Show everyone your proof that my computers are a scam, and that I work for casinos.

While you're at it, prove to everyone you didnt tell everyone you werent selling anything, and didn't contact members via PM trying to sell your system. And prove to everyone you didn't lie about who you are when you came here with your new username. I mean not even the dumbest scammers would spell their old username backwards - at least i wouldnt have thought.

I understand you're angry about your scam being stopped. But you're sinking deeper and making a bigger fool of yourself.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 05, 09:15 PM 2019
And Passion, over the years there have been 2 main types of people who attack me:

1. Other people selling systems or running forums ("competitors")
2. People that were banned from my forums (for doing things like trying to scam members via PM)

You are both.

If you are a crusade to discredit me, you can make up and twist crap however you want. Some people believe anything they read. But the serious players understand the motives of people like you, so they do proper research. This means seeing a demo, visiting me in person, getting a trial etc. In which case your bullshit counts for nothing.

I think you need to take a hard look at yourself, what you tried to do via PM, and that nobody believed or liked you. I'm just the admin, doing what's required to prevent scammers from spamming members via PM. You are the problem, not me and not other members. But even having said that, it wont change your crusade. People with problems tend to blame others for failures.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Robbert on Jun 06, 02:41 AM 2019
Can passion be banned?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 06, 03:04 AM 2019
Yes but he is moderated to prevent scamming. He can still teach members something. For example, to see dirty tricks scammers use.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Robbert on Jun 06, 03:26 AM 2019
haha, good point!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019
Can you show how your electronic devices earn?
I can show you how I can win and show it with great results and then everyone will realize that I am not lying about what I say, it is not long to prove it and I will shut your mouth.
Then everyone who has judged me like you will eat a really big shit and they will have to repent the rest of their lives for treating me like that.
I will continue to earn money with my grail and you wasting your time in the forums following you, oh God! LOL....
The forums are prepared to catch people of good level about the games, even if you still believe that the forums are for you to win?
Do you think the casino can do anything against a winning game? So why do not people share their HG?
A winning game can not be destroyed by any sequence of random or pseudo-random numbers, nature is very powerful and can not avoid natural laws with manipulation.
No need to create electronic devices and make tramapa, that is a casino scam and when you get caught, you put everything bad in the ass, while steve is at home quietly winning by the dirty work of others, CAUTION!
Now if you have a winning system, get 2m of winning balls, come on !!!
When you show 2m of balls, I draw another 2m.
But you will not do that because you can not and I will do it because if I have managed to do it in any roulette, it will soon be seen who is the fraudster and who is telling the truth.
will fall the myth of Steve the god of roulette ... hahaha. :lol:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 06, 04:07 AM 2019
Still no comment on how you lied about selling then secretly tried to sell via PMs?

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019Can you show how your electronic devices earn?

We've been through this already. Yes, easily. Read back.

And it doesnt involve faking payout receipts from the same money like you did.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019I can show you how I can win and show it with great results and then everyone will realize that I am not lying about what I say, it is not long to prove it and I will shut your mouth.

Then do it already. But don't use your fake payout receipts. Show real proof like I do.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019Then everyone who has judged me like you will eat a really big shit and they will have to repent the rest of their lives for treating me like that.

Everyone judged you because of obvious lies that were eventually exposed, not so much for your claims of winning.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019I will continue to earn money with my grail and you wasting your time in the forums following you, oh God! LOL....

Actually i think most people don't follow me or agree with lots of what i say. Thats why we often go in circles. Incidentally, most people lose.

The people that agree with me don't necessarily follow me. We just share understanding of basic math and reality.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019Do you think the casino can do anything against a winning game?

Of course they can. Banning is last resort. Like the Pelayo family. They didn't know how they won, and nothing was stopping them because the casino didn't understand it. So eventually they banned them.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019A winning game can not be destroyed by any sequence of random or pseudo-random numbers, nature is very powerful and can not avoid natural laws with manipulation.

There doesn't need to be manipulation. The casino needs only unpredictable spins and an unfair payout, aka the house edge.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019No need to create electronic devices and make tramapa, that is a casino scam and when you get caught, you put everything bad in the ass, while steve is at home quietly winning by the dirty work of others, CAUTION!

I would advise against putting anything in your ass. Your pocket works fine.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019Now if you have a winning system, get 2m of winning balls, come on !!!

2m spins isnt needed when you can clearly see computers predicting when and where the ball first hits the rotor.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 03:31 AM 2019it will soon be seen who is the fraudster and who is telling the truth.
will fall the myth of Steve the god of roulette ... hahaha.

I thought you said you had proof my computers were a scam and that i worked for casinos. I asked you to show your proof. You couldn't because like with other things, youre full if shit. Again you're angry i stopped your scam. Again don't blame me for that.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 06, 04:23 AM 2019
You're sinking into the same hole others have. Im by no means a perfect person, but im honest so your attacks hit a wall. You then get angrier and try harder with the same result. The process led one guy to claim i ruined his life, when all i did was be honest. He ruined his own life. I dont think youll go that far, but you're in the same destructive cycle. My fault is i push back when i shouldnt. And i antagonize people who attack me. But if you speak bullshit, and especially call me a liar, ill say something. And understand you arent against me. You're against the truth. You wont get anywhere except deeper in the hole. That advice hasnt worked in other cases, but i gave it anyway.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019
Neither I am angry nor do I make any scam and I am simply because you are a scam, using electronic devices is a scam, it is a trap friend!
And if you know as much about mathematics as you do not know what dyksexlic does?
It is based on a mathematical principle that no sequence of numbers is likely to destroy it.
What I do and keep well locked is mathematical, so do not come and talk about math, because you really only know the basics, but it seems that your head only gives you to create electronic devices that cheat.
Why does it bother you so much that says I can beat roulette mathematically?
Soon I'm going to show you, just to shut up and you have to give me 100k, then I'll laugh and show you who is the best and you'll have to apologize for your comments, although you're probably not an apologetic person, but just to prove to you that you are not the only one who can win and without cheating, I will be very satisfied, you will realize that you are not god, just as I am not a god either, I am just a person who works hard and who has been working for years. study just like you, but the only difference is that I do not believe anyone more than anyone, instead you think you're the one who discovered gold.
I have nothing more to say, keep manipulating my information and profile, you have already shown what kind of person you are.
By the way, if I talk to people by private messages if that is what you want to know and of course I give the opportunity to get the knowledge that this is getting, has something that's wrong?
I remember that you sell electronic devices and one of them 80,000 dollars, do not come to me now that I come to sell or that I scam people, first look at what you do and then judge others.
I do not have a problem because you sell your cheating devices, but you do have problems because someone teaches their knowledge and realize that there are ways to earn better than your electronic devices.
Do not be afraid, man! jajajajaja, nobody is going to take your customers, I do not need, but if I need to prove that you are not god and that you are not the only one who can beat the game and less with making tramapas!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 05:34 AM 2019
Actually it’s very easy
All you need is a system with slightly over average hits ... then you build up a clever progression like

1 2 4 8 ..
1 2 4 8 ..
1 2 4 8 ..

Then you progress through the progression... all you need is two consecutive hits to recover all your losses
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Robbert on Jun 06, 06:04 AM 2019
roulette beater, got any progression idea's?

For like 15 numbers?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 06:29 AM 2019
Robert

I dunno what bet selections you use and the hit rate ... you can pm me
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 06, 08:10 AM 2019
And again, no comment on how you lied about selling then secretly tried to sell via PMs?

And again you didnt give the proof you said you would, that my computers are a scam and i secretly work for casinos.

Just once, can you not be full of shit?

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019using electronic devices is a scam,

You know better than my lawyers, and lawyers of other players?

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019And if you know as much about mathematics as you do not know what dyksexlic does?

Yes and I could explain it again. But you have trouble with basic math, so you dont understand his mistakes, or that he was just a troll.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019it seems that your head only gives you to create electronic devices that cheat.

I know English isnt your native language. I'll repeat it again. Before i developed computers, I developed winning methods that don't require computers. I can win without computers. But my choice is computers because they are quickest and most profitable. Its like having a Toyota and Ferrari. Which would you drive? I'm not sure you even have a skateboard. Is it clearer now?

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019Why does it bother you so much that says I can beat roulette mathematically?

Ok, its like this. Because i struggle with the reality some people are so stupid they can't understand basic math and reality. Not that they're not capable. Its that even with the irrefutable proof in their face, they still don't get it, or even want to get it. Its infuriating to witness such stupidity. And this is just basic math and a game. Its only part of the story. When i see the same kind of stupidity in more important areas of life, like politics, business, law, and social issues, i see this planet is full of stupid people, and we're all royally f*cked. And its frustrating because the stupidity of these people hold everyone back. We are surrounded by flat earthers. The evil people of the world arent the real problem. Predators exist in nature. The real problem is stupid people. We cant just put them in a ditch. We are stuck waiting for them to wake up.

And that's why i get annoyed when i see morons like you who can't comprehend the most basic principles, and actually appear to think other people are the problem.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019Soon I'm going to show you, just to shut up and you have to give me 100k, then I'll laugh and show you who is the best

You keep talking, but im not seeing. I can't think of one thing you've said that's true. Just like when you said you weren't selling your system, but were caught trying to sell via PM. Remember that? There's even more.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019I will be very satisfied

And when you finally get a programmer to test your theory, and find out you're been clueless, will you apologize? No. But you'll probably be scamming members via PMs again.

If you had the hg, you would already have the system coded for proper testing.

You are one of many inexperienced fools who come and go, with an inflated sense of knowledge.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019By the way, if I talk to people by private messages if that is what you want to know and of course I give the opportunity to get the knowledge that this is getting, has something that's wrong?

What's wrong with you? You bragged to everyone about how great your system was, you baited without sharing and tried to lure people into private chats, and denied trying to sell anything. Then you are caught red handed trying to scam people via PM. I understand you won't admit to being a scammer, but damn, its pretty obvious. Nobody here supported or believed you. Nobody liked you. Blame everyone else too. Im just the guy that banned you from pm to protect members.

Stop blaming me. You are your own problem.

Quote from: Atelur noisap on Jun 06, 04:32 AM 2019I remember that you sell electronic devices and one of them 80,000 dollars, do not come to me now that I come to sell or that I scam people, first look at what you do and then judge others.

Where did you escape from? I'm open about what i do and sell. I give ample proof.

In contrast, your only proof of your hg was obvious and clumsily faked winning receipts from recycling the same money. Your claims are backwards, you don't even understand basic math, you lie to everyone then secretly try to scam people via pm, then complain you get banned.

Its any of this registering? You have serious problems.

You've had enough chances to keep your word. You've only lied constantly, tried to sell crap to members via pm, and wasted everyone's time. You're a disaster. Its time you get on your bike and peddle your ass away. Stop coming back under fake names and lying about everything including your gender. Take a good hard look at your problems, and stop blaming others for them.

Unless you're next post is keeping your word, i won't approve it. That means either proving to everyone my computers are a scam and i work for casinos, or showing proof your system is the hg like you keep saying you'll post.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 06, 08:56 AM 2019
Quote: What would you drive a Toyota or a Ferrari  .Faster is not better means more speeding tickets. Toyota takes me exactly where the Ferrari takes me ,has four wheels.
It’s how the cars make you feel like inside your mind . That’s  a fact.after awhile the feeling it gives you goes away and on to the next high .
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 06, 09:00 AM 2019
And to make it clear, scammers like passion have a longer run here than they deserve because:

Previously when i banned them much earlier (for the forum's integrity) some incredibly stupid members claimed i was just censoring the hg to probably to "protect my sales". My technology sales is actually not even a consideration. Literally, not at all, as hard as this for some people to understand. Money is nothing next to honesty and integrity. Perhaps people don't understand this because they aren't in a comfortable financial position, so they would lie for profit, therefore expect others would do the same.

Furthermore, the followers of trolls and scammers are often too inexperienced to identify a scam. Often a new self professed hg guru comes here and amasses ignorant, uneducated and naive followers. And rather than being quickly exposed, the scammer is praised and protected.

If i dare highlight the glaringly obvious holes in their story, i get attacked and accused of having ulterior motives. Even if the guru isn't selling anything, and is just after attention like any other troll.

Even if other experienced players say the same thing as me, the deluded followers attack the experienced players, making up whatever misguided reasoning that works in their heads. Who knows, perhaps they think i secretly pay every educated player, statistician, physicist, engineer, and gaming consultant to hide the hg, so i can sell AP. Logical?

Being attacked isn't the issue. The real issue is if i ban the scammer too early, they become a martyr. This does more damage to member's knowledge than letting the scammer run amok, because it leaves the followers endlessly chasing that one secret they think is missing - and that they may have learned if i didn't ban their guru.

So a more productive approach is i let the scammers run amok for quite some time, until it's so damn clear the scammer is a lying piece of shit. It needs to be so damn clear you'd need to be retarded to not get it. I mean literally, not to offend handicapped people.

I have never and will never censor the hg. If it was ever posted here, i would be just as interested as every other member. If anyone was selling the hg, like passion claims, i would buy it and start using it myself. Thats the purpose if the $100k  challenge.

The reality is if i had the hg, i would use it. I would only license it if i could be assured i could control the licenses, as i do with my other software. And if i had the hg, it would make my technology obsolete. Would that be bad for me? How could it be? I'd have the hg, and it would be easier to avoid detection, so would have greater earring capacity. I am a player and team manager before someone licensing technology.

So if you use your brain and understand what I'm saying, you'd know when i ban some new hg guru, its not because im censoring the hg. Its because the guru is lying his ass off, he's had ample chance to prove otherwise, but clearly and exhaustively proves to everyone he's full of shit - for the benefit of members.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 06, 09:09 AM 2019
Man why do you even bother don’t you get tired of explaining the same thing over and over .
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Winner on Jun 06, 09:12 AM 2019
Your Mark Howie saga went on for ever holy crap don’t know how you keep on.
Get your self a girlfriend.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 06, 09:30 AM 2019
You've got no idea of the extent of his actions. He's a sincerely sick guy.  It isnt relevant here.

In any matter, truth and accuracy is important to me, hence the detailed explanations.

If you've got a problem with it, tough titties.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ricky on Feb 17, 07:49 AM 2020
Hi Steve,
I see 20 pages on this topic. Sorry I am not about to read every page for details I may have missed. But I am just wondering if this challenge is still open? If it is can you explain what methods you are looking for as valid?

Eg. If I had a method that included:
  1. Bet Selection - does not really matter as, in my oppinion, you cannot increase accuracy of prediction from past spins better than  random bet.
  2. Money Management rules to avoid losing your bankroll over the 2M spins
  3. Unique progression method to make up for previous losses
  4. A decent recovery method that allows for gradual recovery of previous losses
  5. Bets stay within table limits
  6. Bets most spins in cycles of say 37 spins. ie no skipping 1000 spins etc
  7. Since we are testing 2M spins I have allowed a bankroll of $100K to start with.

and by the end of 2 runs of 2 million spins it ended in profit without losing the bankroll, would this method meet your challenge requirements? If so what do you intend to do with the method? Such a method which needs to be robust enough to last 2 million spins is not something you can play at a casino as it requires quick and precise calculations.

If you have been watching my B2B Rx Testing thread  I have built such a method described above and am testing the 2M rng spinfile you recommended at the moment. It has shown promisiong results but I am wondering if this is the sort of method you are seeking or are you looking for something simple enough to be played by your team at a casino with no tracker and no bet size calculator?

Cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Elite on Feb 17, 09:56 AM 2020
Steve challenge is valid until .....2023 I guess
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Tacwell on Feb 17, 12:24 PM 2020
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 17, 07:49 AM 20206. Bets most spins in cycles of say 37 spins. ie no skipping 1000 spins etc
I would think that 2M spins means 2M spins that are bet on, if you bet for eg. on average once every 37 spins you're only playing about 54000 spins.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ricky on Feb 17, 03:53 PM 2020
Quote from: Tacwell on Feb 17, 12:24 PM 2020I would think that 2M spins means 2M spins that are bet on, if you bet for eg. on average once every 37 spins you're only playing about 54000 spins.
No, current setup is playing 17/37 spins unless a win comes early and the cycle resets so could be even more than 17 spins  per 37 spin cycle. Currently up to 242K spins and placed 275K betlayouts (2 numbers per spin) = 138K spins betting so 138K/242K= betting 57% of spins

Cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Feb 17, 09:04 PM 2020
Ricky, see link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/100k-challenge/

If you pass the initial testing, let me know here. So far everyone who said they have the HG has wasted my time.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ricky on Feb 17, 11:16 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Feb 17, 09:04 PM 2020So far everyone who said they have the HG has wasted my time.

Thanks Steve, that answers my question
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Elite on Feb 18, 11:06 AM 2020
Still running on 2m Spins,,,  max numbers bet 16, reset after 15 consective losses, wait for spin not more than 7 ..
bet amount =  consective losses until 15 ,,, count the total loss and choose bet unit
Run for Fun Test.... What about if RNG makes pattren based on real  gameplay..  which is more expected.Then no HG will work.
WIll post if all data processing completes,  and software still alive

Loose Count 5  is WIn::0::betAMount::2::  total Number:14:: profitAmount:828381
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::3::  total Number:15:: profitAmount:828444
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:9:: profitAmount:828435
Loose Count 2  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:9:: profitAmount:828426
Loose Count 3  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:14:: profitAmount:828412
Loose Count 4  is WIn::0::betAMount::2::  total Number:15:: profitAmount:828382
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::4::  total Number:16:: profitAmount:828462
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:828455
Loose Count 2  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:828448
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::1::  total Number:11:: profitAmount:828473
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:828466
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::1::  total Number:10:: profitAmount:828492
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:828521
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:5:: profitAmount:828516
Loose Count 2  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:5:: profitAmount:828511
Loose Count 3  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:828504


continuee
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Elite on Feb 18, 11:29 AM 2020
Crashed as  it was not designed to accumulate so high volume data ..

Loose Count 2  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:10:: profitAmount:828366
Loose Count 3  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:13:: profitAmount:828353
Loose Count 4  is WIn::0::betAMount::2::  total Number:14:: profitAmount:828325
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::3::  total Number:14:: profitAmount:828391
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:828384
Loose Count 2  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:13:: profitAmount:828371
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::1::  total Number:13:: profitAmount:828394
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:12:: profitAmount:828382
Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
   at com.system.Division_PanelGUI.setDropNumbersColortoDefault(Division_PanelGUI.java:413)
   at com.system.Division_PanelGUI.setDropNumbersColor(Division_PanelGUI.java:379)
   at com.system.Division_PanelGUI.populateNumbersHistory(Division_PanelGUI.java:160)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Elite on Feb 18, 12:16 PM 2020
same setting only reset loss after 9 ..still running
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::1::  total Number:14:: profitAmount:555069
Loose Count 0  is WIn::1::betAMount::1::  total Number:12:: profitAmount:555093
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:5:: profitAmount:555088
Loose Count 2  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:5:: profitAmount:555083
Loose Count 3  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:5:: profitAmount:555078
Loose Count 4  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:8:: profitAmount:555070
Loose Count 5  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:8:: profitAmount:555062
Loose Count 6  is WIn::0::betAMount::2::  total Number:9:: profitAmount:555044
Loose Count 7  is WIn::0::betAMount::2::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:555030
Loose Count 8  is WIn::0::betAMount::3::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:555009
Loose Count 9  is WIn::0::betAMount::4::  total Number:10:: profitAmount:554969
looose Count:10
Loose Count 0  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:0:: profitAmount:554969
Loose Count 1  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:554962
Loose Count 2  is WIn::0::betAMount::1::  total Number:7:: profitAmount:554955
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteKnight on Mar 11, 09:41 PM 2020
What are the rules? If I have a working system will you pay out this amount? How do we verify?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 11, 10:26 PM 2020
See the first post
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Mister Eko on Mar 11, 11:17 PM 2020
Steve, I do my tests manually, because I must see what happening on the wheel, and based on wheel frequency, ball movements, hot zones, by using triggers, I am able to choose my betting numbers, so it can not be make in softwer, just in my head. So in this way testing 2,000,000 spins is worthless, infinity time must I have, which I rather would spend in casino.

So how can I apply to this challange in this way?  I have no chance?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 11, 11:32 PM 2020
The challenge doesnt apply to real wheels. I already beat them.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 01:55 AM 2020
Quote from: Mister Eko on Mar 11, 11:17 PM 2020
Steve, I do my tests manually, because I must see what happening on the wheel, and based on wheel frequency, ball movements, hot zones, by using triggers, I am able to choose my betting numbers, so it can not be make in softwer, just in my head. So in this way testing 2,000,000 spins is worthless, infinity time must I have, which I rather would spend in casino.

So how can I apply to this challange in this way?  I have no chance?

No chance ?

If you have a winning system and it really wins, post it here , if we win with it, every member on this forum will give you $1, the forums has 30000 members, you will receive $30 k

What you think ?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Taotie on Mar 12, 02:27 AM 2020
@ROULETTEBEATER, It's sweet, not swet.

Sheesh, and I though we all agreed I was the dumbest c*nt around here.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 12, 02:56 AM 2020
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 12, 02:27 AM 2020Sheesh, and I though we all agreed I was the dumbest c*nt around here.

Yeah. We just were being polite.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Taotie on Mar 12, 03:12 AM 2020
Yeah, well I'm not the dumbest c*nt anymore so....    :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 04:05 AM 2020
Mister eko

Forget Steve, he is only interested in sales
We giving you a great offer, think of it again

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 12, 04:47 AM 2020
Actually, Im interested in using it myself. More specifically, coding it into software, putting it on a remote server so secrets are protected, then profit splitting with players - just like i already with my best technology.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 05:02 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 04:47 AM 2020
Actually, Im interested in using it myself. More specifically, coding it into software, putting it on a remote server so secrets are protected, then profit splitting with players - just like i already with my best technology.

That’s how it should be done âœ...

Like a pro ...
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Taotie on Mar 12, 05:09 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 04:47 AM 2020Actually, Im interested in using it myself. More specifically, coding it into software, putting it on a remote server so secrets are protected, then profit splitting with players - just like i already with my best technology.

Are you looking to use this software with online casinos? If so, are you not concerned about their constraints re user terms & conditions, and also willingness to pay out winnings?

Or are you talking about bums on seats at B&M casinos who receive real time betting instructions? How would you police that?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Mister Eko on Mar 12, 06:03 AM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 01:55 AM 2020
No chance ?

If you have a winning system and it really wins, post it here , if we win with it, every member on this forum will give you $1, the forums has 30000 members, you will receive $30 k

What you think ?

I would not recive any cents, trust me.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 06:36 AM 2020
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 12, 05:09 AM 2020
Are you looking to use this software with online casinos? If so, are you not concerned about their constraints re user terms & conditions, and also willingness to pay out winnings?

Or are you talking about bums on seats at B&M casinos who receive real time betting instructions? How would you police that?

Decent online casino must pay out your winnings - if they don’t, just document the case and open a case against them.. they either pay you or lose their license
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 12, 06:46 AM 2020
Quote from: Taotie on Mar 12, 05:09 AM 2020Are you looking to use this software with online casinos? If so, are you not concerned about their constraints re user terms & conditions, and also willingness to pay out winnings?

I tell my players sure play online where possible, but they will do much better in real casinos.

Because online casinos are much more responsive to ap. Its much easier to avoid detection in real casinos, so you can win more in real casinos. Also, many online casinos refuse payouts. I got refused twice, and other players many times. They often only need to suspect something like using software, of any kind - not just roulette computers. Some online casinos forbid even progression, in case you get lucky. And if they don't refuse payouts, they'll lock you from roulette. There's more to it, but forget online. Its a waste of time, even if you play recreationally because even if you get lucky, you can't be 100% sure you'll even get paid. I know people that won lots with pure luck and were still refused payout.

The properly licensed casinos will still payout, unless they think they have a valid legal case, like duplicate accounts. In which case its viable for them to refuse payout, then you'll need to take it to court. If you win a large sum, thats probably a better option for them.

Ultimately casinos are a business. They don't allow loses, unless its to random gamblers which is to give gamblers hope. Or if they don't know about or cant avoid the loss.

Quote from: Taotie on Mar 12, 05:09 AM 2020Or are you talking about bums on seats at B&M casinos who receive real time betting instructions? How would you police that?

With my computers i see live video, plus i see all the data so i have a good idea if a team is being dishonest. I can restrict access anytime. It would be the same with any remotely used software, where i can see all activity.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 12, 06:51 AM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 06:36 AM 2020they either pay you or lose their license

Not if they think they have a case they might win. Carefully read the term of service
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 12, 06:56 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 06:51 AM 2020
Not if they think they have a case they might win. Carefully read the term of service

That’s why I said decent casino. In Europe, they either pay or lose license

You probably mean casino ran in some banana republic
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 12, 07:07 AM 2020
They wouldn't lose their license for payout refusal. The properly licensed casino would refuse payout if they had legal grounds. Legal doesnt mean fair.

They would only risk their license if there were a large number of complaints and valid cases against them.

It's like banks. They're the biggest frauds around. And when they go bankrupt, the laws protect them and allow them to steal from their customers.

The law isnt for your benefit. The whole system is full of shit.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ati on Mar 12, 04:29 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 04:47 AM 2020
Actually, Im interested in using it myself. More specifically, coding it into software, putting it on a remote server so secrets are protected, then profit splitting with players - just like i already with my best technology.
You always say that if a HG system existed, you would license people to use it without sharing it. I don't believe that's possible. If your secret HG system tells me where to bet, then I'm sure that in less than a thousand bets I would be able to reverse engineer the system.
Unless you build in "false" bets for distraction, but that would reduce the profits.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Mar 12, 05:13 PM 2020
Quote from: ati on Mar 12, 04:29 PM 2020I'm sure that in less than a thousand bets I would be able to reverse engineer the system.

That's possible but depends on the complexity of the system. I would just not allow continued access if there was no revenue generated by a player, but that's no guarantee they wont try to reverse engineer it. I'm sure people have tried with my other software.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 02:42 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Mar 12, 04:47 AM 2020
Actually, Im interested in using it myself. More specifically, coding it into software, putting it on a remote server so secrets are protected, then profit splitting with players - just like i already with my best technology.

You really think lowly of the people on here do you? 

Imagine coming up with an hg and then having a suggested offer of grueling testing ×2 of millions of hands for a pedestrian 100k.

If you are curious what Micheal Shackleford, an esteemed mathematician who sold his site wizardofodds.com for 3.14 million dollars, thinks an hg is worth just ask me.


Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ati on Apr 21, 04:52 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 02:42 PM 2020If you are curious what Micheal Shackleford, an esteemed mathematician who sold his site wizardofodds.com for 3.14 million dollars, thinks an hg is worth just ask me.

I'm curious.

I think it's impossible to put a price on a HG. It depends on many things, like whom you sell it to, how easy it is to make money with it, etc.
I'd probably say it worth millions, but a person who can afford to spend millions to buy a roulette system..........has probably much better things to do than spending long hours at the tables to win small amounts, and obviously has a very high income already.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 05:22 PM 2020
Quote from: ati on Apr 21, 04:52 PM 2020
I'm curious.

I think it's impossible to put a price on a HG. It depends on many things, like whom you sell it to, how easy it is to make money with it, etc.
I'd probably say it worth millions, but a person who can afford to spend millions to buy a roulette system..........has probably much better things to do than spending long hours at the tables to win small amounts, and obviously has a very high income already.

An hg should be applicable in any speculative market with zero to limited restrictions.  The name lends itself to that high of aspiration.  If there is a hypothetical market value for it, it's definitely not 100k.

Steve takes these people for desperate or idiots or both.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Apr 21, 05:41 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 02:42 PM 2020Imagine coming up with an hg and then having a suggested offer of grueling testing ×2 of millions of hands for a pedestrian 100k.

Anyone who had the hg would already have automated testing software, so testing would be simple.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 02:42 PM 2020
If you are curious what Micheal Shackleford, an esteemed mathematician who sold his site wizardofodds.com for 3.14 million dollars, thinks an hg is worth just ask me.

I don't particularly care what he thinks. Why would i? I know its worth billions. I've said it before many times. I dont expect everyone to read everything I've said, but i repeat myself often for new people.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 05:22 PM 2020Steve takes these people for desperate or idiots or both.

Moxy, usually every week at least one person swears to me they have the hg, and they are different. They approach me. Does that mean they're desperate or idiots?

And not one of them pass the initial stages because they find they were deluded and inexperienced.

Your logic is backwards and shortsighted.

The reason i set a $100k price is because any contract with funds in escrow is legally binding, and theres always the chance random bets beat 2m spins. Very slim chance, but i wouldn't bet millions against it.

And besides, its less about money, and more about a challenge because i already live comfortably.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Apr 21, 05:47 PM 2020
And why do you get so upset about the amount im willing to pay? Am i forcing these people to approach me making claims they have the hg and want to claim the $100k?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:13 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Apr 21, 05:41 PM 2020
Anyone who had the hg would already have automated testing software, so testing would be simple.

I don't particularly care what he thinks. Why would i? I know its worth billions. I've said it before many times. I dont expect everyone to read everything I've said, but i repeat myself often for new people.

Moxy, usually every week at least one person swears to me they have the hg, and they are different. They approach me. Does that mean they're desperate or idiots?

And not one of them pass the initial stages because they find they were deluded and inexperienced.

Your logic is backwards and shortsighted.

The reason i set a $100k price is because any contract with funds in escrow is legally binding, and theres always the chance random bets beat 2m spins. Very slim chance, but i wouldn't bet millions against it.

And besides, its less about money, and more about a challenge because i already live comfortably.


A substantial hg is not conventionally mechanical and if there were testing software then the whole exercise would be moot since you've already would have it via reverse engineering. Are we dopes or what? 

Would some one of substance relinquish the formula before your testing quota?

The ones who keep coming to you are not carriers of the hg.  You, of all people, should know that.  They are just desperate which in turn makes you desperate as well for throwing that offer around.




Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:18 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Apr 21, 05:47 PM 2020
And why do you get so upset about the amount im willing to pay? Am i forcing these people to approach me making claims they have the hg and want to claim the $100k?

You were always afraid to engage with me as if I've "gotten" to you somehow as oppose to all the other posters on here that you engage with relative confidence.

Again, you are a smart guy.  100k is and will always be an indictment to the people on here and to the hg namesake.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Apr 21, 06:31 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:13 PM 2020A substantial hg is not conventionally mechanical and if there were testing software then the whole exercise would be moot since you've already would have it via reverse engineering. Are we dopes or what?

Nonsense.  A "substantial hg"? And if there were not already automated testing software, how would the person test enough spins to be statistically relevant and know they had the HG? Your arguments are junk.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:13 PM 2020Would some one of substance relinquish the formula before your testing quota?

This comment doesnt even make sense. No, they wouldn't release their HG beforehand. The whole point is releasing it after testing. You havent even read the challenge terms, right?

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:13 PM 2020The ones who keep coming to you are not carriers of the hg.  You, of all people, should know that.

Another dumb comment because you just repeated what I said.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:13 PM 2020They are just desperate which in turn makes you desperate as well for throwing that offer around.

They're desperate, and it makes me desperate? Right. You're on a roll today Moxy.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:18 PM 2020You were always afraid to engage with me as if I've "gotten" to you somehow

Delusion at its finest.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:18 PM 2020as oppose to all the other posters on here that you engage with relative confidence.

My confidence is with understanding reality. And where I don't know enough, I'll say that. The majority of discussions here are about basic principles and basic logic, that people like you don't understand. It is not an accomplishment to understand basics. Go to a math or physics forum, and you'll find a whole bunch of people just like me who will gladly explain Earth isn't flat.

Any other bright comments?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:45 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Apr 21, 06:31 PM 2020

Any other bright comments?

Put up 10 million in escrow and the real mccoy's will step forward and you'll also start to see a drought in purported hg IP holders because then everyone will know it's no joke. 

Or no one comes forward at all because it's not there.

100k will always invite every person outta the woodwork with a different motive to get your money.   Yet you are still waiting for that "special" someone willing to take that up.

You know I'm right.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 07:08 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Apr 21, 05:41 PM 2020


The reason i set a $100k price is because any contract with funds in escrow is legally binding, and theres always the chance random bets beat 2m spins. Very slim chance, but i wouldn't bet millions against it.



That's an excuse.  Offer 10 mil and a legit hg holder would jump hoops for you to prove its efficacy with whatever conditional testing for however long it takes. 

Besides why not 100 million spins instead since you said software testing would expedite the process?  Hmm..
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Apr 21, 08:00 PM 2020
Moxy, you're missing the point.

I'm not forcing anyone. I can offer $1 if I want. But at $100k, people contact me every week claiming to have the HG. Where are all the scammers like Sergio who sell their HG for comparatively pennies, but wont take a simple test to get $100k?

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 06:45 PM 2020100k will always invite every person outta the woodwork with a different motive to get your money.

Yeah, and that's one of the points. But fortunately I wasnt born yesterday.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 07:08 PM 2020Offer 10 mil and a legit hg holder would jump hoops for you to prove its efficacy with whatever conditional testing for however long it takes

No they wouldn't, because nobody with the HG would sell it for less than perhaps $10M, and even then they'd need a legit reason to sell. But before that, the smartest thing for them to do is license it for others to sell, with remotely used and carefully controlled software - like I do with my own software.

Quote from: Moxy on Apr 21, 07:08 PM 2020Besides why not 100 million spins instead since you said software testing would expedite the process?  Hmm..

Sure, we can do 100m spins.

Moxy you appear to be forgetting these major points:

1. The offer is partially intended to expose frauds and scamming system sellers.

2. It is also a legitimate offer to buy the HG, which doesn't mean exclusive rights. Exclusive rights would be worth far more. But that wouldnt be realistically enforceable anyway.

3. I don't even need the HG. I do just fine with what I've got. I don't need any extra income either. But if it's there, without much extra time required, I'll take it. Time is much more important than money.

I'm baffled as to why you give a shit about all this. It seems more like you just want to create shit from nothing.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 08:26 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Apr 21, 08:00 PM 2020


No they wouldn't, because nobody with the HG would sell it for less than perhaps $10M, and even then they'd need a legit reason to sell. But before that, the smartest thing for them to do is license it for others to sell, with remotely used and carefully controlled software - like I do with my own software.


2. It is also a legitimate offer to buy the HG, which doesn't mean exclusive rights. Exclusive rights would be worth far more. But that wouldnt be realistically enforceable anyway.

I'm baffled as to why you give a shit about all this. It seems more like you just want to create shit from nothing.

Are you kidding me?   Money talks.  10 million (starting point) reasons to sell.   Who tf wouldn't.

Smart people don't try to score with multiple buyers for considerably cheaper and also dilute the IP in the process.  That's detrimental to all parties involved. It's common sense.  I also wasn't born yesterday. It's either one sole party (yourself) preferably or *2 parties max if you can retire from it multiple times over from the 2nd party benefactor*  It's a one time deal into the sunset.  You know that.

You question ones motive to sell for 10's of millions but not one objection if one were to sell for 100k?...

Also... Why would any legit person sell for pennies and then refuse to take your challenge?  You are inviting indignitaries/scammers almost on purpose wishfully waiting for the real mccoy.

You want the best angle possible for yourself and not have yourself exposed to potential millions of dollars in negotiating.

Michael Shackleford, a millionaire himself, gave his hypothetical pricing offer of 50 million US if he ever had an hg.  I'll give you the link later.

He's got 50 million reasons right there.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Apr 21, 08:57 PM 2020
Moxy, youre still not understanding. I dont care. You're complaining about my offer to pay someone for something. You shouldnt care either.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 09:03 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Apr 21, 08:57 PM 2020
Moxy, youre still not understanding. I dont care. You're complaining about my offer to pay someone for something. You shouldnt care either.

You honestly do NOT care about the possibility?  And the whole point of this site was...


Wow....  Just wow.  You don' think Im a crazy person yet you don't care either.

It was always about the money.  Huh.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Apr 21, 09:29 PM 2020
Like i said, youre not understanding.

Now please stop wasting my time.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Apr 21, 09:33 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Apr 21, 09:29 PM 2020
Like i said, youre not understanding.

Now please stop wasting my time.

It was never about the wonderment of a discovery at all.  It was just about expediency and exponential banking.  Purely business.  I get it. 
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: boatran8 on Apr 24, 12:20 PM 2020
Hello,

I coded a system with Excel...
I don't know if I'll be able to implement it under RX...
For the moment it is with Excel.

This system involves FLAT BETTING only.
I only bet on dozens.
It is for wheels with zero...

This graph is for 500 000 spins.

@Steve : Do you have a procedure with Excel files or the challenge is only for RX files ?

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: boatran8 on Apr 24, 01:07 PM 2020
Quote from: boatran8 on Apr 24, 12:20 PM 2020
Hello,

I coded a system with Excel...
I don't know if I'll be able to implement it under RX...
For the moment it is with Excel.

This system involves FLAT BETTING only.
I only bet on dozens.
It is for wheels with zero...

This graph is for 500 000 spins.

@Steve : Do you have a procedure with Excel files or the challenge is only for RX files ?

People please ignore my previous post, there was a bug...
I cannot delete my posts, sorry.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ati on Apr 24, 04:26 PM 2020
Quote from: boatran8 on Apr 24, 01:07 PM 2020
People please ignore my previous post, there was a bug...
I cannot delete my posts, sorry.
Ohh how many times I went to bed thinking that finally I got the HG. I was always thinking about possible dates when I would quit my very stressful job.  :)
Then the next day I found the error in the formulas.  :P
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Apr 24, 10:01 PM 2020
We've all been there before. And if you keep going, you eventually understand why all the previous system eventually lost.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 23, 09:43 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Nov 25, 08:12 PM 2018If you have a system you believe is the "holly grail, prove it and I'll pay you $100,000. Details are at link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/100k-challenge/

I'm asked about this frequently so will leave this thread sticky.

So far not a single person has gotten past the first stage (testing 2m spins with realistic betting limits).

Alright i did it! :) Steve, let me know if interested, also how to get the second 1m RNG-spins?:S
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 10:15 AM 2020
See the page for instructions.

And what are your table limits?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 23, 10:27 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 23, 10:15 AM 2020
See the page for instructions.

And what are your table limits?

I read now... i say the table limits were 10-500 for outside bets, (I played with 5-1000U) so, now i have to re-run the test with new limits. :/
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jun 23, 01:16 PM 2020

Steve, this time you have no other choice but to pay Ignatus

when is the payout ?

:twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 23, 01:19 PM 2020
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 23, 01:16 PM 2020
Steve, this time you have no other choice but to pay Ignatus

when is the payout ?

:twisted:

hahah...very funny!  ;D
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: pepper on Jun 23, 01:50 PM 2020
I don't think it is that odd for a progression system to pass 2-4 million spins. Imo, you should have to pass like 100 million spins. Of coarse, it depends on factors, like if the system uses progression.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: precogmiles on Jun 23, 01:56 PM 2020
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 23, 09:43 AM 2020
Alright i did it! :) Steve, let me know if interested, also how to get the second 1m RNG-spins?:S

:xd: ever seen what a martingale chart looks like that passed a million spins?

Good job on your discovery.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 23, 02:01 PM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 23, 01:50 PM 2020I don't think it is that odd for a progression system to pass 2-4 million spins.

REALLY? Try to invent a system that pass 100 000 spins...Even that is not easy... idk what you talk about.. eh?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 23, 03:28 PM 2020
I had to Re-work the progression & bet again...after 100 trials.. i passed the "worst beginning"...if i will make it to 2 Million spins again, we will see... (with the new table-limits Now 10-500u) ok
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Kairomancer on Jun 23, 05:21 PM 2020
Only spins wagered what should count when presenting a HG.
If you do not place bets every spin, you need to adjust the simulation accordingly.
Having said that it is still looks impressive.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 23, 09:20 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 23, 10:15 AM 2020
See the page for instructions.

And what are your table limits?

Oops i did it again!

Now, Steve, its within your Rules, within the table-limits 10-500u. Let me know if you're interested ok :)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 09:33 PM 2020
Ok was this condition met, or were spins skipped?

Quotemust be conducted over 2,000,000 spins where bets are actually made

If yes, then the next step is put $1000 into escrow. Then I put the $100k into escrow. The steps are explained on the page.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 23, 09:46 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 23, 09:33 PM 2020
Ok was this condition met, or were spins skipped?

If yes, then the next step is put $1000 into escrow. Then I put the $100k into escrow. The steps are explained on the page.

Alright, but? i didnt read anything about that conditions.. ofc there is a "Trigger" involved....that means, bets are placed when the trigger come, and that is not betting every spin? :/
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 09:57 PM 2020
The page has been there for ages with the same conditions. If you're interested in this challenge, please fully read everything.

Yes that's right, if your trigger skips say 20 spins, then those spins don't count. Why? Because the house edge only affects results when you actually bet.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Jun 23, 10:31 PM 2020
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 23, 09:46 PM 2020
Alright, but? i didnt read anything about that conditions.. ofc there is a "Trigger" involved....that means, bets are placed when the trigger come, and that is not betting every spin? :/

Come on Ignatus.   Go for gold.  Why settle?  Can't you guys read the room?   How desperate can folks be?

5-10 million BARE minimum.   Steve even created that whole bullet point thread giving you it's real world worth.   Starting to wonder if we have a bunch of teenagers on here.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 10:35 PM 2020
Moxy, you should be more concerned with figuring out why your hg hasn't made you billions yet.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Jun 23, 10:39 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 23, 10:35 PM 2020
Moxy, you should be more concerned with figuring out why your hg hasn't made you billions yet.

Smart deflection.   You know I'm right.  Regardless of my status, I will not stand here and allow folks to be taken for a ride, as desperate they may be.  No offense to you, nothing personal.

Even Bluejay admits it.

But then again, having that much dead space, can it really qualify?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 11:11 PM 2020
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 10:39 PM 2020Smart deflection

Deflection from WHAT? That I dont agree to pay you billions for the HG you dont appear to have?

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 10:39 PM 2020Regardless of my status, I will not stand here and allow folks to be taken for a ride, as desperate they may be

Your status as a "talker"? And if Ignatus has the HG, he should take casinos for a ride.

Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 10:39 PM 2020Even Bluejay admits it.

Name sounds familiar, but I dont know who that is.

Moxy, maybe just go make billions and make fools of us all.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Clf7 on Jun 23, 11:17 PM 2020
Steve if a method can beat rng can it also beat physical wheels?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Jun 23, 11:41 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 23, 11:11 PM 2020
Deflection from WHAT? That I dont agree to pay you billions for the HG you dont appear to have?

Your status as a "talker"? And if Ignatus has the HG, he should take casinos for a ride.

Name sounds familiar, but I dont know who that is.

Moxy, maybe just go make billions and make fools of us all.

Not sure what narrative you are trying to create but I never suggested that high of an amount in any instance. 

Michael Bluejay 30k challenge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 23, 11:55 PM 2020
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 23, 11:17 PM 2020
Steve if a method can beat rng can it also beat physical wheels?

If it's the HG, then it would beat rng and real wheels.

But in the real world, every RNG is different. You can make a system for a flawed RNG, but it would only beat that RNG. And it would not beat real wheels.

Like I say in my videos, a system for RNG is a key for a lock - it only works for the RNG it exploits.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Clf7 on Jun 23, 11:59 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 23, 11:55 PM 2020
If it's the HG, then it would beat rng and real wheels.

But in the real world, every RNG is different. You can make a system for a flawed RNG, but it would only beat that RNG. And it would not beat real wheels.

Like I say in my videos, a system for RNG is a key for a lock - it only works for the RNG it exploits.

Wait wait, so why it is a HG then? And how you would sell it? Giving to people the advice "here buy my HG but you can play only on playtech rng " .... And ignatus is testing on rx rng so if he has the hg how can he beats then the other rng? Could you explain it?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 24, 12:07 AM 2020
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 23, 11:59 PM 2020Wait wait, so why it is a HG then?

Do you mean Ignatus' new system? I dont expect it is a HG. Positive results over 2m spins could be due to things like a system being engineered around a set of spins.

Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 23, 11:59 PM 2020And how you would sell it?

I wouldnt sell it. I'd use it via my teams.

Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 23, 11:59 PM 2020And ignatus is testing on rx rng so if he has the hg how can he beats then the other rng? Could you explain it?

Again could be many reasons. Most likely if you look for patterns over set spins, then exploit them, of course you'll win. But then try a completely different set of spins, and the results might be very different. That's why the challenge is over 2 sets of spins.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 02:35 AM 2020
Steve, the conditions you set for the 100,000USD chalenge are kind of extreme.
First of all, table limits: 10-500 - maybe for the inside bets. For the outside bets, they should be higher.

Second... bet almost every spin for 2mil spins. Really? This means that by the end of those 2mil spins someone should have at least 1mil units profit. In this case... why would someone give you the system for 100k??? Program a bot to play that system and 100k will come easy!

For the conditions you set for this challenge you should put 1mil USD on the table.  :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 24, 03:12 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 02:35 AM 2020First of all, table limits: 10-500 - maybe for the inside bets. For the outside bets, they should be higher.

They're common limits. I'd like to be able to use it widely.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 02:35 AM 2020bet almost every spin for 2mil spins. Really?

Yes, because I've seen losing systems beat 1m spins many times before.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 02:35 AM 2020This means that by the end of those 2mil spins someone should have at least 1mil units profit.

Not necessarily. But it should be a significant profit.

Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 02:35 AM 2020In this case... why would someone give you the system for 100k???

Good question. But I'm offering regardless. I'd offer more if there were exclusive rights, but I wouldn't be able to enforce that, would I?

It's not like I'm forcing anyone.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Joe on Jun 24, 04:22 AM 2020
Ignatus, good effort but this just isn't a playable system in practice. The second chart is worse than the first in terms of win rate. You made roughly 1350 units in say 230,000 bets. That's 1 unit every 170 spins on average, and there are some pretty harsh draw-downs. Even if the system was a real long-term winner, you would have to use large stakes to make it worth your while, and therefore you would need a massive bankroll.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: pepper on Jun 24, 07:09 AM 2020
Quote from: ignatus on Jun 23, 02:01 PM 2020REALLY? Try to invent a system that pass 100 000 spins...Even that is not easy... idk what you talk about.. eh?
I have looked at and identified things I could do to possibly beat millions of spins. Of coarse, it eventually losses. Since you guys are using computers and everything, why not run the system through like 25 million spins or more just to make sure? Let the computer do the work and go eat lunch.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 07:30 AM 2020
Quote from: pepper on Jun 24, 07:09 AM 2020
I have looked at and identified things I could do to possibly beat millions of spins. Of coarse, it eventually losses. Since you guys are using computers and everything, why not run the system through like 25 million spins or more just to make sure? Let the computer do the work and go eat lunch.

Well... if you think that someone will leave a bot working continously for 47 years to play 25mil spins......
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 24, 07:56 AM 2020
I have a system that beats 100m rng spins about 90% of the time.

Here's how it works...

The trigger focuses on betting against rare events. The trigger means we bet just once in 100m spins. We bet about 30 numbers.

I win almost every time. Cool huh?

FORGET ABOUT "SURVIVING" SPINS.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 24, 08:00 AM 2020
I promise anyone still chasing their tail, keep going and you'll eventually understand what I've said is true.

You'll also understand most if what I've said is really old news.... in circles of well educated people, or other professionals in this industry.

And you'll also understand you've been wasting your time.

But it seems everyone just needs to learn for themself.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Clf7 on Jun 24, 08:05 AM 2020
As i understand steve rng cant be beaten by a method, you only offering this challenge in case(1 in 1 million) a miracle appears.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 24, 08:28 AM 2020
Im offering it for a few reasons. Including but not limited to a genuine offer to buy a non exclusive licence, and plain putting my money where my mouth is. There's more though.

The hg would need to decode the nature of reality. That doesn't mean crap like the law of a third.

Also I don't need the hg or any system. So my motives are different to what people might think.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Clf7 on Jun 24, 08:37 AM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 08:28 AM 2020
Im offering it for a few reasons. Including but not limited to a genuine offer to buy a non exclusive licence, and plain putting my money where my mouth is. There's more though.

The hg would need to decode the nature of reality. That doesn't mean crap like the law of a third.

Also I don't need the hg or any system. So my motives are different to what people might think.

Ah so you mean basically it could be beaten only by a method based like for example Tesla or something else more "metaphysical" that finally could explain and be applied on many other things in life......If yes i dont understand how can something like that be mechanical?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 24, 08:48 AM 2020
That's like science vs religion. It's the same thing.

I've mentioned what i think has potential, and what is clearly just repackaged crap.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 08:50 AM 2020
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 24, 08:37 AM 2020
Ah so you mean basically it could be beaten only by a method based like for example Tesla or something else more "metaphysical" that finally could explain and be applied on many other things in life......If yes i dont understand how can something like that be mechanical?

CLF, I know we've had our contradictions in the past, but this time I have to agree with you (except the part where you say that it can be applied in other things in life)! In my opinion, there is 99.99999999999% impossible to have a mechanical system that meets all Steve's requirements.

Not even roulette computers that Steve promotes are not made to win every single bet! Or to bet every single spin!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Clf7 on Jun 24, 08:57 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 08:50 AM 2020
CLF, I know we've had our contradictions in the past, but this time I have to agree with you (except the part where you say that it can be applied in other things in life)! In my opinion, there is 99.99999999999% impossible to have a mechanical system that meets all Steve's requirements.

Not even roulette computers that Steve promotes are not made to win every single bet! Or to bet every single spin!

I have zero problem with differences of opinion or with criticism, unless there are  insults. So all cool Buddy  :thumbsup: ..... Btw yes i cant understand also how can a method meet steve's criteria, the chance of finding such a method is like the chance of winning in Lotto
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 09:05 AM 2020
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 24, 08:57 AM 2020such a method is like the chance of winning in Lotto

I think I'll take my chances at Lotto! :)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Clf7 on Jun 24, 09:07 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 09:05 AM 2020
I think I'll take my chances at Lotto! :)

So you will try the 2m Challenge too?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 24, 09:09 AM 2020
Quote from: Clf7 on Jun 24, 09:07 AM 2020
So you will try the 2m Challenge too?

Right at this moment I am testing my system for the 2m spins (the one file that Steve recommended). We'll see how it works, I'm pretty confident.
Of course I can't meet Steve's requirements, but... if it shows to be profitable................ it won't be cheap :)
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Jun 24, 02:39 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 03:12 AM 2020
They're common limits. I'd like to be able to use it widely.

Yes, because I've seen losing systems beat 1m spins many times before.

Not necessarily. But it should be a significant profit.

Good question. But I'm offering regardless. I'd offer more if there were exclusive rights, but I wouldn't be able to enforce that, would I?

It's not like I'm forcing anyone.

Desperate and/or uninformed people will always bite. 

Here's the flip side to your argument.  So one could settle for only 100k due to non-enforceable NDA, according to you, and then you could turn around and sell it for an actual fortune a la a Micheal Jordan Nike contract, to some rich investor who actually agrees to a signed NDA from you?

You really don't need it as you stated but doesn't mean you can't pilfer a fortune from it.

Come on now, Steve.  I'm on to you.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Jun 24, 02:52 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 08:28 AM 2020
Im offering it for a few reasons. Including but not limited to a genuine offer to buy a non exclusive licence, and plain putting my money where my mouth is. There's more though.

The hg would need to decode the nature of reality. That doesn't mean crap like the law of a third.

Also I don't need the hg or any system. So my motives are different to what people might think.

You are something else.   You know deep down how lucrative it is.  On the flip side, everyone else is oblivious in their blissful ignorance.

It's quite bizarre actually.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 24, 03:39 PM 2020
Moxy, you're being a dickhead, and we've been through this before.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: pepper on Jun 25, 05:12 PM 2020
What is someone's "holy grail" results in a net win of just $1 after the 2 million spin test? It looks like they would still be entitled to the $100k.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 25, 06:19 PM 2020
In that case I wouldn't be interested. They can keep their hg. But I've clarified it by requiring a 1% resulting edge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: ignatus on Jun 28, 02:20 PM 2020
Had to test another system now, that i coded/tested today (lasted about 150 000 spins before crash)... betting every spin, (without a trigger--inside bets, tablelimit 1-200)...
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 28, 02:32 PM 2020
If it crashes, it never worked.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 28, 04:04 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 02:32 PM 2020
If it crashes, it never worked.

I guess you realize that's a dumb thing, right?  :twisted:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jun 28, 08:10 PM 2020
Exactly what's "dumb"?

If you mean my comment, you're not understanding it.

A systems don't "work for a bit then lose, for some reason". Success is not short-term variance.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jun 29, 03:46 AM 2020
You're right! Success is betting every spin at a table, 24/7 for almost 4 years (calculated at aprox 60spins/hour/live dealer) and at the end to be profitable with aprox 1mil units!

Or the option 2: buy a roulette computer!
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteKnight on Jun 30, 09:25 PM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jun 29, 03:46 AM 2020
You're right! Success is betting every spin at a table, 24/7 for almost 4 years (calculated at aprox 60spins/hour/live dealer) and at the end to be profitable with aprox 1mil units!

Or the option 2: buy a roulette computer!

Your system hasn't passed 2 million spins? If it has you can claim the 100k from Steve already.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:46 AM 2020
Quote from: RouletteKnight on Jun 30, 09:25 PM 2020
Your system hasn't passed 2 million spins? If it has you can claim the 100k from Steve already.

Nope, I can't!
1. it doesn't bet every spins
2. I don't know which is the winning target that will satisfy Steve (nobody does)
3. His offer is way to low to compensate my strategy
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jul 01, 01:21 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:46 AM 2020His offer is way to low to compensate my strategy

So you've, like, totally won billions by now. Right?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteKnight on Jul 01, 01:23 AM 2020
Quote from: Steeefan2014 on Jul 01, 12:46 AM 2020
Nope, I can't!
1. it doesn't bet every spins
2. I don't know which is the winning target that will satisfy Steve (nobody does)
3. His offer is way to low to compensate my strategy

Well, I do believe there is some winning system. I too have something similar.
But the term "winning" is subjective because roulette is largely random and no one knows what can ever happen with 100% certainty.

On a side thought, there is a sure fire way to win applying Parrando's Paradox. Most people are stumped on how to apply this principle but I have figured it out. But you first need a sucker to side bet with you in the casino. Say for example, you bet with him $50 that after an end of the roulette session you will be up in profit. If you lose, you will lose all your bankroll plus set aside $50 for him, if you are still in profit he has to give you $50. Of course there should be a minimum number of played spins say 300-400 that you have to bet at least 1 unit

Most people can have a high win rate and be in profit in a few hundred spins using systems. So this is actually a positive edge play for you even though mathematically both games has a losing edge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: RouletteKnight on Jul 01, 01:24 AM 2020
Quote from: RouletteKnight on Jul 01, 01:23 AM 2020
Well, I do believe there is some winning system. I too have something similar.
But the term "winning" is subjective because roulette is largely random and no one knows what can ever happen with 100% certainty.

On a side thought, there is a sure fire way to win applying Parrando's Paradox. Most people are stumped on how to apply this principle but I have finally figured it out. But you first need a sucker to side bet with you in the casino. Say for example, you bet with him $50 that after an end of the roulette session you will be up in profit. If you lose, you will lose all your bankroll plus set aside $50 for him, if you are still in profit he has to give you $50. Of course there should be a minimum number of played spins say 300-400 that you have to bet at least 1 unit

Most people can have a high win rate and be in profit in a few hundred spins using systems. So this is actually a positive edge play for you even though mathematically both games has a losing edge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Kairomancer on Jul 02, 02:13 PM 2020
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ross on Jul 02, 04:02 PM 2020
Steve - If someone came up with a system which satisfied your requirements
what would you do with it? 
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Moxy on Jul 02, 05:01 PM 2020
Quote from: Ross on Jul 02, 04:02 PM 2020
Steve - If someone came up with a system which satisfied your requirements
what would you do with it?

Steve is a shrewd, successful, highly motivated business man.  Your non-exclusive agreement for 100k from him would not apply to him if he were to ever turn around and look for a buyer's market with a potential exclusive agreement in contrast.

This is all hypotheticals.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jul 02, 07:36 PM 2020
I've said it many times now. I'd use it myself, and if safe to do so, code it into software so others could use it in a profit-sharing arrangement. Just as I've done with my remote hybrid roulette computer.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: precogmiles on Jul 03, 06:06 AM 2020
Steve, in regards to the system you were winning with for a year before it failed, were you using a progression?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Jul 03, 06:13 AM 2020
Yes it was a basic progression, with reset when progression reached the limit. There were a few variations of it, especially when it started losing.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: precogmiles on Jul 03, 12:24 PM 2020
Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 06:13 AM 2020
Yes it was a basic progression, with reset when progression reached the limit. There were a few variations of it, especially when it started losing.

That makes sense, variance always catches up when you use progression.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: boatran8 on Feb 21, 10:45 AM 2021
Hello Steve,

Do i fulfill your requirements ?
If the prerequisites are fulfilled I'll proceed into coding it with RX and initiate the 100k challenge procedure.

Amount bet : 34473 over 107 621 spins (playing only one dozen per round played).

Net result : +2181 units.

Flatbet only, no guessing.

Max dd 64 units.

Here is the excel graph
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: gianfrancopierino on Aug 06, 09:46 AM 2021
The “resulting edge” for each sets of 2M spins must be above 1% (Wins must be significant).

Just to be sure, for 2.000.000 spins the wins must be minimum 20.000, did i get it right? thats would be 1%
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 08, 06:26 PM 2021
You need to have played the spins, not skipped many. Otherwise you're still playing short term.

You could repeat the test many times. Then you'd likely see some you lose, some you win. But the total result is down. That means the system is actually random bets.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: gianfrancopierino on Aug 08, 06:58 PM 2021
units won foe 2000000 spins, please specify.

You need to have played the spins, not skipped many.  why is this important? you need a winning system in rng.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 08, 07:17 PM 2021
Quote from: boatran8 on Feb 21, 10:45 AM 202134473 over 107 621 spins

You said here how many spins you bet on.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 08, 07:19 PM 2021
Quote from: gianfrancopierino on Aug 08, 06:58 PM 2021why is this important? you need a winning system in rng.

If your system skips 100,000 spins, and bets on one spin, how many spins have you played on?

Is the result based on 1 spin, or 100,000 spins?

See through the delusion.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: gianfrancopierino on Aug 09, 04:48 AM 2021
so in 100kspins how many bets shoudl be?
also in 100k spins how many unitns won?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 09, 07:37 PM 2021
You can still beat 100k spins with random bets. The terms of the challenge are explained on the page. If you have the HG, it wouldnt matter to you if you tested even 100m spins. You'd win regardless.

If you think its about "surviving" spins, you don't have the HG, and don't understand it.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: gianfrancopierino on Aug 10, 02:36 AM 2021
i've read your conditions, allready wrote it

The “resulting edge” for each sets of 2M spins must be above 1% (Wins must be significant).

what consisnte means to you, perhaps it doesnt mean the same thing to me. tks
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 10, 05:53 PM 2021
Quote from: gianfrancopierino on Aug 10, 02:36 AM 2021what consisnte means to you, perhaps it doesnt mean the same thing to me. tks

Why not just go win in real casinos, and live from winnings? You can do that with a genuinely effective system.

Or try living from winnings from luck.

Is the difference opinion?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 11, 01:42 AM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 05:53 PM 2021
Why not just go win in real casinos, and live from winnings? You can do that with a genuinely effective system.

Here is just one of the reasons:

askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/betsafe-refuses-to-pay-20-000eur

This is not an isolated case, there are thousands of such cases, unfortunately the people who report it are the exceptions, because the vast majority just don't want to waste time to fight against the casinos.

Casinos use every possible pretexts and excuses not to have to pay out large winnings when they are the result of playing with a small initial bankroll:

QuoteBetsafe approved the documents. My withdrawal got back to my players account, i won around 5000â,¬ more out of 50â,¬ and after that my account got locked.

And remember, that's not the only reason.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 11, 01:47 AM 2021
Few serious players play online, for this reason. I've personally been refused payouts a few times.

Real casinos will not normally refuse payout. But they will sometimes delay it while they check security videos.

Forget online casinos. And you can only win reasonable amounts in real casinos if you avoid detection. What amount is reasonable varies between players and teams. If you mean a few thousand here and here, that's easily done.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 11, 01:59 AM 2021
In my case, even more so, I can't play in a real (non-Internet) casino, because then they would immediately discover and understand WHY I win in the long-term game.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 11, 02:19 AM 2021
If you have the HG, you dont need a real wheel. Any RNG would do. In that case you could easily win millions without being detected, because you have so many casinos to choose from.

Also you could apply the principle to other RNG games, and potentially make billions. You could disrupt the entire gaming industry.

Is that the system you have?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 11, 02:38 AM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 11, 02:19 AM 2021
If you have the HG, you dont need a real wheel. Any RNG would do. In that case you could easily win millions without being detected, because you have so many casinos to choose from.

Also you could apply the principle to other RNG games, and potentially make billions. You could disrupt the entire gaming industry.

I used to think in a similar way in the past, unfortunately it turned out to be a very naive way of thinking...

I sent a questions to a online casino:

Here's one of them:

QuoteMy last question is whether you're collecting ANY data about playing by the user?

For example, in how way someone is playing - how much money is wagered at a given moment and on what result, etc...

and I got an answer:

QuoteWe reserve the right to have insight into every bet that you make on our site in case you experience some issues, also we have our bet archive where you can find your oldest bets. But no, we won't provide to any user or to anyone else any information, that is our policy, we won't share any personal information about anyone on our site. You can rest assured.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 12, 03:51 AM 2021
Of course they monitor bets. It shouldn't be news.

If you had the hg, it wouldn't matter because casinos wouldn't recognise the patterns. They'd assume your wins were luck.

Besides the casino doesn't need to know how you win to ban you. They might ban you, just in case.

None of that changes much. You can still win more than enough to be comfortable, especially when you play in multiple casinos.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 13, 12:46 AM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 12, 03:51 AM 2021
Of course they monitor bets. It shouldn't be news.

I fully understood this fact relatively recently, because before that I wasn't interested in technical issues related to the way casinos work, because all my attention had to be focused on learning HOW TO REALLY WIN IN THE LONG-TERM AT ROULETTE, so then I just couldn't think about other issues if I wanted to achieve that goal.

QuoteIf you had the hg, it wouldn't matter because casinos wouldn't recognise the patterns. They'd assume your wins were luck.

Not in my case because of the way I play.

QuoteBesides the casino doesn't need to know how you win to ban you. They might ban you, just in case.

The issue of a possible banning has never been the main concern for me.

QuoteNone of that changes much. You can still win more than enough to be comfortable, especially when you play in multiple casinos.

In order to do that, I would first have to be absolutely sure that no one will find out (by analyzing the way I play) why I win, because it's just too risky and I have to be very careful.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 13, 06:24 PM 2021
Sounds like you're saying your system is so awesome you don't want to use it in case casinos steal it.

That's like leaving a sofa in its wrapping.

And no matter how obvious a system is, you can conceal its use. computer players easily camouflage late bets, and maintain an edge.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 13, 08:21 PM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 13, 06:24 PM 2021
Sounds like you're saying your system is so awesome you don't want to use it in case casinos steal it.

I'm only afraid of what I don't know, so if I have no idea what the real consequences could be, then I just don't want to risk it that way.

QuoteThat's like leaving a sofa in its wrapping.

I don't want it to be like that, so I'm trying to remedy it and I'm still looking for possible solutions.

QuoteAnd no matter how obvious a system is, you can conceal its use. computer players easily camouflage late bets, and maintain an edge.

Does that mean that in your opinion there can be a system or a method of playing that effectively camouflages/conceals the operation of the REAL (other) system/method of playing roulette?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: stranger90 on Aug 13, 09:22 PM 2021
Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 13, 08:21 PM 2021

Does that mean that in your opinion there can be a system or a method of playing that effectively camouflages/conceals the operation of the REAL (other) system/method of playing roulette?

If you didn't figure that out by now then most probably you didn't figure out sheet ever.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 13, 10:36 PM 2021
Quote from: stranger90 on Aug 13, 09:22 PM 2021
If you didn't figure that out by now then most probably you didn't figure out sheet ever.

It's just your subjective opinion.

From my perspective, what you wrote only proves that you're wrong, because before I asked this question, I thought about this issue and never ruled out this type of possibility, unfortunately in my case, It's not that simple, because I don't place inside bets at all, so I have much less room for maneuver.

Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 14, 05:26 PM 2021
Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 13, 08:21 PM 2021Does that mean that in your opinion there can be a system or a method of playing that effectively camouflages/conceals the operation of the REAL (other) system/method of playing roulette?

Yes. It's not rocket science.

It's not mere opinion. Its a core part of AP.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 14, 08:27 PM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 14, 05:26 PM 2021
Yes. It's not rocket science.

It's not mere opinion. Its a core part of AP.

I understand, but I'm not interested in any such devices and my question wasn't related to this area.

I used to be a bit interested in the topic of devices, but it was about ten years ago and then I had no idea that winning roulette without using any devices can be so easy.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 15, 12:19 AM 2021
The methods to avoid detection aren't exclusively for AP.

Again it's not rocket science.

If you have the intelligence to find the hg, you can figure out really basic techniques to avoid detection.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 15, 03:49 AM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 15, 12:19 AM 2021
If you have the intelligence to find the hg, you can figure out really basic techniques to avoid detection.

Okay, so If you're sure about that, let's conduct a very simple thought experiment:

- Imagine you're living in an alternate world where the basic MARTINGALE PROGRESSION is absolutely reliable and is all you need to win as much as you want by using this while playing roulette.

- For some reason, no one but you knows that this way of playing exists.

- Now imagine that you can't just start playing using this method because the casino would immediately ban this way of playing, completely change the rules for playing roulette, and you would immediately go to jail for the rest of your life.

-There is only ONE casino that you can play at and there is only ONE roulette in that casino.

- There are a lot of people in this casino who closely observe and analyze your every move and there are high-quality cameras thanks to which your entire game will be analyzed even more thoroughly by professionals.

- Now imagine that you'll be able to play as long as you want and you won't even have to take any breaks, BUT you'll only be able to play at this casino once in your life.

- You can only place outside bets.

NOW

Write or show how EXACTLY - STEP BY STEP you'll play so no one will figured out that you're using this method of playing.

If you want you can even make a video showing how you do it.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 15, 06:27 PM 2021
Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 15, 03:49 AM 2021Okay, so If you're sure about that

I'm quite sure. You act like it's a revelation.

Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 15, 03:49 AM 2021If you want you can even make a video showing how you do it.

Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 15, 03:49 AM 2021Write or show how EXACTLY - STEP BY STEP you'll play so no one will figured out that you're using this method of playing.

I'd use a team of 3 bettors, who each followed the system's application, and spread the bets between them. There are countless ways to do this. The bets that mattered would be larger than other diversionary losing bets.

In normal conditions, you could easily avoid detection. The more closely monitored your bets are, the more complicated the bet configurations must be. If you had a scientific analysis of all bets on the table over time, then simply the more the team plays, the more likely they are to be detected. It is not an exact science for surveillance. If it needed to be very complicated, to look totally random, I'd use software with each player being told what to bet - to ensure bets are optimally camouflaged.

You wanted an example, so here's a simple one:

Spin 1: player 1 plays the system, players 2 and 3 make diversionary bets
Spin 2: player 2 plays the system, players 1 and 3 make diversionary bets
Spin 3: players 2 and 3 play the system (split required bets between them), player 1 makes diversionary bets

There are countless ways to do it.

In the real world, surveillance only look at bets if they're suspicious to begin with. They want you making stupid bets like outside bets, dozens etc. They don't want you making inside and sector bets. Wonder why.

Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 15, 03:49 AM 2021If you want you can even make a video showing how you do it.

You think I have time to make videos about such simple principles?
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 16, 08:15 AM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 15, 06:27 PM 2021
I'd use a team of 3 bettors, who each followed the system's application, and spread the bets between them. There are countless ways to do this. The bets that mattered would be larger than other diversionary losing bets.

What would you do if only ONE person could play that roulette at a time?

In the context of my way of playing, I immediately thought about something like that and immediately realized that in my case it's not feasible, because the team would have to consist of too many people, so it would be impractical, besides they would have to know the rules of my way of playing, so I don't want this.

QuoteYou think I have time to make videos about such simple principles?

If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I started my sentence with the words "IF YOU WANT"
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 16, 06:35 PM 2021
Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 16, 08:15 AM 2021What would you do if only ONE person could play that roulette at a time?

Much the same, except it's one person mixing up bets. The bets that matter are larger than smaller diversionary bets.

And if the system legitimately has an edge, you could also skip spins and make purely diversionary bets.

Ares, none of this is complicated. It is never hard to avoid detection, unless you're trying to win millions in one session.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 17, 01:34 AM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 16, 06:35 PM 2021
Much the same, except it's one person mixing up bets. The bets that matter are larger than smaller diversionary bets.

And if the system legitimately has an edge, you could also skip spins and make purely diversionary bets.

If you constantly win then the casino very quickly figur out that you're using the secret method of playing, OR if you win slowly and not much to avoid detection, then you're only wasting time, because the chance of a big win will be lost forever.

Besides, in my case, I can't just skip spins because it would cause total chaos.
EVERY spin determines the next bet and every next bet is the result of my previous spins.

QuoteAres, none of this is complicated.

OF COURSE, because if you don't have a really effective method of playing, then it's not complicated at all, because the casino just doesn't have any reason to eliminate you! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Steve on Aug 17, 01:58 AM 2021
Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 17, 01:34 AM 2021If you constantly win then the casino very quickly figur out that you're using the secret method of playing, OR if you win slowly and not much to avoid detection, then you're only wasting time, because the chance of a big win will be lost forever.

You're preaching to the person who teaches the choir.

Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 17, 01:34 AM 2021Besides, in my case, I can't just skip spins because it would cause total chaos.

That means your system follows patterns that rely on previous spins, in a sequential pattern. That has never worked.

But maybe you know something nobody else does. So go make money. If you cant because the casino might know, we're back to plastic on your sofa.

Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 17, 01:34 AM 2021EVERY spin determines the next bet and every next bet is the result of my previous spins.

Partially true. Almost every player uses this principle in completely the wrong way.

Quote from: Ares289 on Aug 17, 01:34 AM 2021the casino just doesn't have any reason to eliminate you!

Casinos will boot your ass even if they suspect you might have a legitimate winning approach. They dont need proof. It's private property.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: Ares289 on Aug 17, 05:32 AM 2021
Quote from: Steve on Aug 17, 01:58 AM 2021
You're preaching to the person who teaches the choir.

This sentence was referring to the content of the example with the alternative world:

Quote- Now imagine that you'll be able to play as long as you want and you won't even have to take any breaks, BUT you'll only be able to play at this casino once in your life.

SO:

QuoteIf you constantly win then the casino very quickly figur out that you're using the secret method of playing, OR if you win slowly and not much to avoid detection, then you're only wasting time, because the chance of a big win will be lost forever.

- Because you'll never play again.

QuoteThat means your system follows patterns that rely on previous spins, in a sequential pattern. That has never worked.

I don't know what exactly didn't work for you, but it's enough for me to know what exactly works for me.

QuoteBut maybe you know something nobody else does.

I think that I'm not the only one who has this knowledge.

QuoteSo go make money.

Haste isn't a good advisor, so I don't trust him...

QuoteIf you cant because the casino might know, we're back to plastic on your sofa.

I have already written that I'm looking for a good solution.

QuoteCasinos will boot your ass even if they suspect you might have a legitimate winning approach. They dont need proof. It's private property.

Casinos can't do everything they want because they have to obey the regulations.
The regulations aren't perfect, so casinos take advantage of this fact - as much as possible.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: juanpaulo143 on Sep 07, 10:21 PM 2022
Well, I think If you extend you offer to real wheels systems, you can then get some offers. But there's a lot more to it, and better ways of doing things.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: juanpaulo143 on Sep 07, 10:26 PM 2022

Law of a third is one example. It is a meaningless principle that is basic statistics, and cant be used for any advantage. I've explained the maths for it before, which is really simple. Most people need to go back to basics.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: juanpaulo143 on Sep 08, 08:23 PM 2022
but i am a guy with very good analytical skills.. i have digged deep into analytics and physics and came out with an interesting finding.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: juanpaulo143 on Sep 08, 08:26 PM 2022
 It is a meaningless principle that is basic statistics, and cant be used for any advantage. I've explained the maths for it before, which is really simple.
Title: Re: $100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge
Post by: juanpaulo143 on Sep 08, 08:59 PM 2022
Is online gambling safe?