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$100,000 Holy Grail Roulette System Challenge

Started by Steve, Nov 25, 08:12 PM 2018

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ignatus

Quote from: The General on Nov 29, 04:26 PM 2018..ust watching and betting occasionally.  The reason triggers appear to work is only because..

Hi General? Well? That's what's a "Trigger" if for? Wating for event X to happen before betting Y...... I believe that's the only way to win? Even you? When playing Live-wheels? You wait for some "event" then you bet based on that particular event? (sector bet etc)..
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Still

Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 01:28 PM 2018
btw! it just crashed now. goddamn, hahah  :xd: :xd:

Save that sequence of numbers maybe. Try different kinds of positive progressions.  Maybe a positive with a take-profit limit.

ignatus

Quote from: Still on Nov 29, 04:45 PM 2018Save that sequence of numbers maybe. Try different kinds of positive progressions.  Maybe a positive with a take-profit limit.

Hi still,

"positive progressions" IS *disaster*. Postive progression CANNOT win 1 million spins (i like to see that, really??) ALL "positive  progresions" i've seen so far,(with any betselection) maybe Last a couple of 100 spins (in the best cases)... :/
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The General

Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 04:49 PM 2018
Hi still,

"positive progressions" IS *disaster*. Postive progression CANNOT win 1 million spins (i like to see that, really??) ALL "positive  progresions" i've seen so far,(with any betselection) maybe Last a couple of 100 spins (in the best cases)... :/

Ignatus,

With the triggers, you're not really betting the one million or so spins.  What counts is the number of spins on which you bet, not the number that you just watch waiting to bet.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
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Still

Quote from: ignatus on Nov 29, 04:49 PM 2018
Hi still,

"positive progressions" IS *disaster*. Postive progression CANNOT win 1 million spins (i like to see that, really??) ALL "positive  progresions" i've seen so far,(with any betselection) maybe Last a couple of 100 spins (in the best cases)... :/

My own studies, from many years ago, if memory serves, is a pos prog won't turn a negative expectation game into a winner.  But I don't think I tested up-and-pull much (which is a pos prog with a take profit) so I can't say.  To get to almost 2 million, with a neg prog, seems your system would have to be barely negative.  I'm guessing an up-and-pull might salvage it, but I don't know. A pos prog will have an amazing effect on any game that is even barely able to stay above zero, albeit, with an edge.

-Katalyst-

Perhaps the definitive interpretation of HG may not be consistent with everybody

Nimo - has a more than valid point, **if your cash on cash return at the end of the session/s is consistently in the plus - then regardless of your system being defined as HG or not - it is profitable and that's where  efforts need to be directed


Quote from: The General on Nov 28, 05:24 PM 2018
Ignatus,

I wish it worked for you ...
Strip the progression and test it flat betting and you'll see the true results.  The reason is your expectation is the sum of all of your bets multiplied times a negative expectation.  The solution is to change the negative expection into a positive one, and then run a positive progression.


-contributions Caleb  :thumbsup:



1 Mill spins - Well done Iggy  :thumbsup:
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“envy is ignorance, imitation is suicide”

Steve

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Nov 29, 11:35 PM 2018Perhaps the definitive interpretation of HG may not be consistent with everybody

Should it be "wins for a while then loses"?

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Nov 29, 11:35 PM 2018regardless of your system being defined as HG or not - it is profitable and that's where  efforts need to be directed

How about understanding why the ball lands where it does, or some other approach so you can predict winning numbers?
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The General

QuoteShould it be "wins for a while then loses"?

Bingo! ::)

If a method works, then the longer it's played, the more it should win.  Goals should be a statistically relevant win, not to just survive. 

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Roulettebeater

Quote from: The General on Nov 30, 04:41 AM 2018
Bingo! ::)

If a method works, then the longer it's played, the more it should win.  Goals should be a statistically relevant win, not to just survive.

Come on, be realistic there is nothing in this world that works as you described... what you describe is a money machine that only exists in the head of some who are disconnected from reality and in fiction films...

A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Roulettebeater

General

See my definition of the HG..

It manifests itself as the ability to use any structured play that produces a prositive trend of profits‘s accumulation over the long term.
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

-Katalyst-

Quote from: Steve on Nov 30, 01:09 AM 2018
Should it be "wins for a while then loses"?

How about understanding why the ball lands where it does, or some other approach so you can predict winning numbers?

There are reasons why I have not disclosed anything - I have nothing to sell and nor have I said anything  to lead the forum runners astray (haha! you pros - keep saying the same ol same ol and then claim it to protect the newbies - *fair enough - but even so - the "newbies" can make up their mind for themselves)
- **what I have been highlighting is the idea that one can still make money profitably without winning every spin ....or so called 2Mill or so called MPR  :yawn:
- regardless of what you or any other so called expert on this forum says - am healthy and still in business  :thumbsup:
....yes your MPR - no disrespect intended but you will get all the chomps to that abode - and $100K for an HG - don't think so - GoodLuck with that!  ::)

- predict winning numbers? ....mmm according to you experts - there seems to only be one, two or three known ways ........hence that’s why you guys are the experts!   :yawn:



Quote from: The General on Nov 30, 04:41 AM 2018
Bingo! ::)

If a method works, then the longer it's played, the more it should win.  Goals should be a statistically relevant win, not to just survive. 



-never played just to survive


-Thank you & Goodluck-
-there is no off switch for the genius button -

“envy is ignorance, imitation is suicide”

Steve

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Nov 30, 09:17 AM 2018- predict winning numbers? ....mmm according to you experts - there seems to only be one, two or three known ways ........hence that’s why you guys are the experts!   :yawn:

We dont believe in fairies, because theres every indication theyre just talk. Theres not even a single piece of tangible evidence. Theres even less evidence that reality can be circumvented in roulette by really really wanting there to be a pattern that doesnt actually exist. Show us otherwise and you might have a case. In fact all evidence points the other way. Cant show otherwise? Why?

Its not that it doesn't exist. It's that we are reasonable people looking at reality and what evidence shows.
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The General

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 30, 05:41 AM 2018
Come on, be realistic there is nothing in this world that works as you described... what you describe is a money machine that only exists in the head of some who are disconnected from reality and in fiction films...

Roulettebeater,

Day after day we were taking to thousands of units (even playing next to you on some days).  Yes, we were very good at camouflaging what we did, but gaming officers stopping us and the closing of the pit should have been an indication that we were indeed doing exactly what I have described...winning and with one hell of an edge.   Even the physics professor on our right was stunned.  He was attempting to do it as well, but he was still new to it.

You are absolutely wasting your time with the up as you lose progression nonsense.  Such progression are meant for fun, but are guaranteed losers in the long run.  My suggestion is to learn the physics and forget the silly idea of creating an app for the phone.
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ignatus

General

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luckyfella

Quote from: Bigbroben on Nov 29, 01:51 PM 2018
Lol.

Almost, though.

Anyway a hg must be played flat, I think.
Not necessary.

Holy grail means the "bet" must win.

The "bet" can be 1bet on a single spin or multiple bets.

The "bet"size has to stay inside the min-max table limit offered by the casino.

Negative progression does not automatically make it a loser.
(In this Caleb is WRONG. And he is wrong in many other aspects of math with evidence - fact not an opinion.)

Is this holy grail bet possible ?

No one who found this hg bet will ever post it on forums. They won't mention it at all.

This automatically invalidates Steve's $100,000 challenge which try to proof that winning systems bet do not exist at all.

The more relevant question to YOU as members of roulette forums is do forums like this one contain system bet material posted by members that help you be better gamblers ?

The answer is yes.

I don't have to point you to the relevant threads - be resourceful.

Another interpretation of holy grail is the "bet" wins more than it loses itlr.
This means the system bet has a net positive edge.

For that to be possible, it means the bet have an edge large enough to overcome the house edge.

Do such systems bet exist ?
Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

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