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lifetime progression

Started by Priyanka, Aug 22, 10:16 AM 2013

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Priyanka

 am heading for a short adventure trip. Life always springs surprises and long wanted to do bungee jumping. Heading to NZ to do some crazy things. Planned for a week out there. Hope I come back in one piece J
 
But thought, will share an interesting progression idea that I was working on. You all can have a chat (laugh ??) about it while am away J If an EC progression is able to sustain 24 steps, without getting anywhere closer to table maximum is it good enough? May be, May be not.
 
But here it goes. Again it is conceptual and after running a number of tests through various types of progressions, this is as close a more successful mechanical progression can get to. It is very effective because this is how close a progression can get to flat betting.
 
I will try explaining this in EC context, but the same can be adopted to other positions as well, very effectively. Can someone be kind enough to post 100 spins. 2-3 sets will be good.
 
Bet selection â€" Use what one is comfortable with. OTL, FTL, 3SD whatever pleases you. To me it’s a simple bet on black always J
 
Level 1 â€" Flat bet on 1 unit. Until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 1 unit. Whichever is earlier. If you reach a point where you are up by 1 unit, restart the progression from level 1 again.
Level 2 â€" You will reach this stage if you have bet for 10 spins are you in negative territory. Now lets say you won 3 spins, lost 7 spins. You are in negative  of -4u. Add the unit that you are in negative and 1 u. In this example you get 5u. Flat bet 5 units until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 5 units. Whichever is earlier. If you  reach a point where you are up 5u, restart from level 1.
Level 3 â€" You will reach this if you have bet for 20 spins and you are still in negative territory. Now lets say you are combined in negative of -4u from first set and -10u from second set, add those and 1u. You will get 15u. Flat bet 15 units until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 15 units.
 
You can go on and on. But so far, I have stopped at Level 3, cursing my luck and started all over again. And to quote ignatus “This works”
 

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GLC

Let me be the first to say that this is indeed a novel idea.

The unit increase may be a little steep if you have a really bad set of spins which happens too often, I'm afraid.

I suppose if you had say 3 wins and 7 losses for a difference of 4 and you only added half of the difference to 1 unit for the next bet size, that would slow things down a bit and might still be enough to recover quick enough.

I know that the difference between your idea and my suggestion is that with your way, it only takes a short streak of high win to loss ratio to pull out to plus.  With my suggestion, it will take a longer streak to pull out to plus.

With yours a really bad stretch can bury you pretty quick.  With mine, it will take a longer really bad streak to do equal damage.

I do like the concept though.

Thanks for the post and have a safe and refreshing vacation.

GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

TwoCatSam

George....

While she's gone, let's talk about her!!

I think we should elect her our leader.

Should I start a poll?

TwoCat

By the by.........I'm going to use the new software and study your idea. 
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

boshkodj

Ok, here is the graph of 1000 sessions.. No zero roulette...

Ec..Betting on one color 10 times, if we lose that sesion, change to the opposite color, if win stay on the same color..

Maybe some tweaking can make it even better..

Priyanka

Quote from: GLC on Aug 22, 10:01 PM 2013
I do like the concept though.

Thanks for the post and have a safe and refreshing vacation.

GLC
@GLC, being the master of progressions, I thought it will catch ur eye first and it did.  Although I know based on my results that it is a long time winner, it needs some tweaks from experts like you.  But as you rightly said the concept is based on the fact of getting as close to flat betting and ensuring that variances don't bite you hard.  As I said at the moment am stopping after losing 3 levels and that happens once in about 1500 spins.   But am sure all your expert tweaks can make it better.  Who knows when am back you might have a grail progression based on this.  :)
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Priyanka

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 22, 11:12 PM 2013
George....

While she's gone, let's talk about her!!

I think we should elect her our leader.

Should I start a poll?

TwoCat

By the by.........I'm going to use the new software and study your idea.


Sam.  Thanks.  You made my day.  There is nothing that makes one happy but hearing good words from a person you admire most.

I must say you are very honest, very passionate on the game, do care abt what's happening around you, and a gem of a person.  I only wish i can share half of those qualities. By the way, I think this forum does not need a leader, but strong and healthy discussions and someone challenging status quo and make us think.   To me you have triggered that thought process multiple times. 

Cheers until we meet after my holidays. 
Yanks
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superman

Sadly this is too scary, I tested it yesterday over 10000 spins the highest progression was 3876 I know you stop after 3 raises but I like to know where it could go, it's mechanical which is its downfall, concept is good but doesn't cover every eventuality which is where all mechanical progressions find themselves eventually.

Side note: as I said a week ago I am fidling with my AI bot and the raise and drop of the bet size is the key to everything working nicely,  over the 10000 spins (I know I'm fitting it to one set of spins currently) I have managed to keep the bet sizes at a max of 36 units.

Now, there seems to be a lot of people here who quote max progressions, what I want to know is how high is still ok, in your minds, to me a 100 units is too high to risk, maybe I'm too cautious, I don't think so I think others who think 2000 units isn't too risky are too foolish to see it, I wont hijack this thread I will make a poll so we can see what people think is acceptable as risk/reward.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

Priyanka

Quote from: superman on Aug 23, 02:51 AM 2013
mechanical which is its downfall, concept is good
I said it is as close it can get to mechanical, not requesting to play mechanically. But as you rightly said Superman, the concept is what it is about. It needs an expert like you who has seens 1000s of bot of many many spins to tweak it for better. Say for example am playing only for 3 levels to keep the bet size to a max of 15-20 units, because that's the sensible bet size. But are there any other tweaks we can do. How can we make it mechanical but yet fluid like your 1% MM thing (I am happy to report I have now completed 260 sessions of 5 units base based on your concept without losing a single session).can we build on George's suggestion on 50% increase? Dalembert, fibo, marty all have grown old.  They don't have the firepower like they had when they were young. We need young ones embedded with all your experience to keep fighting. 
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Chris555p

Thanks for sharing this great novel idea Priyanka and for everyone participating
in the topic; I tested the progression on real Wheel and so far great results, I
never had to go beyond level 2 to reach new high.

I agree with GLC that the progression may seem at first a bit steep; However with
very good bet selection for Ec's and a bit of luck of course......this progression should
be a long term winner.

sheki

If after 10 spins on leve3 we are in minus-we take the loss and start over?

Chris555p

Before starting over again, It may be an idea to review the bet selection......,or find better ones.....;
Priyanka mentioned above  it happened once in about 1,500 spins. I tested several hundereds spins
and it works, and never went beyond level 2......

sheki

I'm not losing progreesion, I just ask :) thanks
playing this In BEtVoyager Nozero-always playing last-its good for now

Le_Chiffre

I don't see how this can lose if the player has a bankroll of say 10grand and play at a table that offers 0.10 unit bets and high table limits.....or am I missing something? (Yes it would probably take all day to make any worth while money at that level...but better than sitting at a desk job right?)

I played this all yesterday evening and never went beyond level 3 but even if I went up and few more levels....even a lot more levels (which would have to be extremely rare) it wouldn't be the end of the world and would always work out?

Great system. My new favourite!

sheki


boshkodj

Roulette can't be beaten with low BR.. Let's assume we have 100 000 chips - this system would possible be a holy grail.. 100 000 * $0.1 = $10.000.. Invest $10.000 and you will have holy grail..

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