lifetime progression

[beretta28]

I'm afraid that you are mistaken.
You must not play all  seven spins,if you are + after the first,the third or the fifth spin and of course the 7th.
If you play Black and the outcome is RRBBB(+1),you stop and start again a groupe of seven spins.
In other words you play 7 spins only if your balance is negative.
The principle is the same of the first message of this topic.

[probasah]

ATTENTION!!

All members out there. Let`s stop for a second all of our "methods" and "systems" and focus for a while on this Progression.
Maybe we can come to a common resolution and solve this mystery once and for all.
What the OP says is that you bet always B or R and through progression you come to plus.
Using stop loss.
Using series of 10 or any other number.

We are all here. Lets use our brains together and figure out some common points.
I`m not saying this is a Holy Grail. What the hell is that, anyway?

All good players take their time and have patience.

Please test this method and show your results.
If you found your way and dont want to share, thats ok too. Just say: EVRIKA! and we all understand.

I am losing no more time and am putting this baby in an excel tracker. Will post it FREE for all, of course, at the end.

Bayes, iggiv, George, Winkel, Mr J, teo (Flatino) and all the other old members on this forum, come in and help us out. If you found something
worth while, and dont want to share it with us, its ok also. Just say : YES or NO. por favor, gracias!

Cheers,
Alex

[teo]

I have pointed out this kind of progression several times in my posts....except as a Ibobas one.....not +1-1....but 1,3,5,7 up/down...always restart from 1 at any new high any stage of the cycle.

[iggiv]

Sorry, but i am saying NO, progression can't be a solution. Sorry again.

[beretta28]

Neither progressions nor bet selections are the solution.
The negative mathemathical expectation of roulette,makes this game unbeatable.
Because bet selection doesn't exist(at each spin the ball doesn't remember what it has done the previous spins),the only method for surviving as long as possible, with a small wingoal,is a progression well studied with a very very low probability of ruin.
That's why we need an huge bankroll.
Casinos know very well all that and the table limit protect them from this kind of progressions.
But as I said before,if you have a 18000 â,¬ bkr (5 times the max allowed on even chances) and a 100 â,¬ wingoal,you can easily win for a few years,entering a casino twice a week.
To be more precise about bet selection ,it' impossible to forecast next spin or next 50/100 spins.
But it's true that after thousands spins you will notice that singles are double than two consecutive spins,that are the double of three consecutive spins and so on(Marigny law).
Because of that, we must admit that in a very large number of spins(a few thousands)certain laws are fulfilled.
Standard deviation,equilibrium,Marigny law,Gauss courbe,but no scientist or player has found sofar the way to exploit these last points.
And it's very well known that a random generator like roulette is unbeatable.
Unless someone can demonstrate that in certain situations roulette is NOT a perfect random generateur.
But this is a different issue.

[Le_Chiffre]

so are we saying it's mathematically better to play up to 7 instead of 10..... then move to the next level if down?

is there really need for a stop loss, especially one so low as 50.

the way I'm hoping to play is-
10k bankroll playing a table with as high limits as possible.
start with 1 unit bets
EC (always betting on the last colour spun)
reset at +1
if I have to start going down the 7 spins and it comes back up and bankroll is where i started on that level, reset that level again.
if i get all 7 spins and negative work out how much is need to be at +1 overall
start a new level of 7 spins with that amount.....if it goes down into the 7 but comes back up to the start of that level, reset that level.

So the hope here is that each time a new higher level of 7 spins is started the 1st bet wins and resets.

So what's my odd/chances that this will happen before i go bust not using a stop loss

[beretta28]

LE CHIFFRE
If I have well understood your post,I like your comments and way of playing.
The stop loss could be an optional.
You can play as you suggest but:you need a bkr equivalent at 5 times the table limit(in Europe almost in every Casino 3600 x 5=18000 â,¬) and I'm sure you guess why.
As I told at the beginning a lot of tests have been done in the past and even recently on groupes of 3,5,7,9,11,13.
7 is the best compromise.
The probability of losing 5 groupes of seven in a row is 0,13%!
This is a raison why a stop loss,may be higher than 50,could be interesting.
More you play "groupes of 7",more 72% of winning works for you,but also 1,35% of VIG works against you.
My first systeme is, as far my experience is concerned, the best way of playing this progression.
And don't forget to play it "in differentiel" for reducing the amount of bets.

[biagle]

And don't forget to play it "in differentiel" for reducing the amount of bets.

can you explain this more, how to do this

[beretta28]

If you know "in differentiel" technique is quite simple.
If you don't know it,it's too long to explain.
Search in this Forum:for sure you'll find this technique

[GLC]

The following is copied from another topic in the forum:

I like the cancellation method at lot but a modified Oscar's Grind is my favorite bet progression method.  I can't say I've found the perfect mix of when to increase the bet sizes by a little or a lot, but I've found a way that works for me most of the time.

I am leaning toward increasing bets after wins and decreasing bets after losses, sometimes.  My reasoning is this:  If we can keep our bets minimized during periods of high losses and maximize our bet sizes during periods of high wins, we can win.  I know that a D'Alembert or Pluscoup won't work well enough.   What we need to come up with is a bet method that decreases bet sizes when we're having too many losses close together and raises our bets when we start having a lot of wins close together.  This is because we need to have a cluster of wins of large bets of such a size that they recover previous losses before we reach the table limit or our personal bank limit.

Said another way, we need to figure out how to not go too far into the hole during high loss periods and still have plenty of ammo to get out of the hole during high win periods.

I'm talking about something like decrease bet size by 1 unit after a certain number of losses vs wins.  Decrease by 2 units if that ratio increases and by 3 units if it increases even more.  On the other side, we increase our units when we start getting a higher wins to losses ratio and if it goes even higher we increase more.  The dilemma is when and how much.  This may include finding ourselves still in the hole when we get back to 1 unit bets. 


I'm getting closer all the time.  Maybe there's no method that will work under all possibilities, but the search is very interesting for me.  I can't ask for much more than that!

GLC

[probasah]

Hi all,
Alex here!

Check the tracker i made.

-1 attack= Groups of 5 bets
-bet the last spun color
-once new max, reset progression to 1
-after 2 failed attacks, stop betting until 1 win

I used random numbers (0,36), you can add your spins in the green left column
each sheet= 3844 numbers

Problem:
huge DD`s sometimes -300k(extreme conditions), huge BR needed

PRESS F9 for refreshing the numbers

Feel free to open the sheet/modify formulas/progression as you wish.

Comments. ideas welcomed/recommended

Regards,
ALex

[probasah]

Bank roll random 3844 random numbers.

Attached below.

Regards,
Alex

[biagle]

Hi all,
Alex here!

Check the tracker i made.

-1 attack= Groups of 5 bets
-bet the last spun color
-once new max, reset progression to 1
-after 2 failed attacks, stop betting until 1 win

I used random numbers (0,36), you can add your spins in the green left column
each sheet= 3844 numbers

Problem:
huge DD`s sometimes -300k(extreme conditions), huge BR needed

PRESS F9 for refreshing the numbers

Feel free to open the sheet/modify formulas/progression as you wish.

Comments. ideas welcomed/recommended

Regards,
ALex

if you have time and wish try to create tracker by beretta28 rules

[Le_Chiffre]

Problem:
huge DD`s sometimes -300k(extreme conditions), huge BR needed

300k drawdown?! i would have thought that was impossible using this system?

[probasah]

300k drawdown?! i would have thought that was impossible using this system?

yes, le chiffre, around 300k minus. playing the previous color of the spin.
The graphic looked like the fist diagram i had posted in the post with images.
there are TERRIFIC DD, not only with this system. Tried to switch colors after 2 loses (series of 5), then coming back to the initial color.

trust me, you need to be millionaire to play this system )))

that leaves me to the question: WHY DO most of the casinos have table limits? To stop progressions!:)

seriously, its lie dropping your hard earned money on the street for some idiot casino managers.

ANd remember this 300k dd on a 3844 spins:)
No limits.
If i put a limit to the progression (ie maximum high reset to 1 after bet= 50 units) the graphs become NEGATIVE. (wow, what a surprise)

Cheers