Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal

[ausguy]

SamNL - This CasinoMeister thing has come up a few times in the past. You base just two events (one sided stories around 2 years old) out of hundreds of thousands of Smart Live payouts that would have been made in that time. If SL was a big problem we would have heard about on CC & VLS by now ? I'm not the only forum member here that plays at SL.

When I say Smart Live & Party have always coughed up the dollars I mean that's how it's been for me = never had any issues being paid.

As to the CasinoMeister information it's not actually coming directly from the account holders themselves but 3rd hand by another forum member.

In a court most of that CasinoMeister forum stuff would be regarded as hearsay and/or lacking evidence & therefore invalid. Besides forum members don't concern casinos as  it's just thousands on all forums VS hundreds of millions that play World Wide.

The 1st case relates to "unusual betting activities" stated by Smart Live ? On RNG games I think they don't allow robotic play but that would need to be confirmed ? Perhaps it could relate to deposit/withdrawal anomalies ?

Looking at their Terms & Conditions they have set procedures for betting (available for anyone to read on their home page). There are dispute procedures in place via the Maltese Gaming Authority(MGA), where they have an independent 3rd party adjudicating on disputes. It seems to me from the way the CasinoMeister relays the information that the account holder did not make an official application to the MGA for a dispute decision ? I think the phone call thing is BS as ID & A/C details plus bet details would need to be supplied in writing ?

The 2nd case has an account holder with 11,000 in his balance but he doesn't do anything with it for 2 years ? How someone can't find 10 minutes sometime over 2 years to activate a withdrawal is difficult to fathom ?

In their SL T & C's they state an inactive account after 12 months has a 5 Euro p/mth admin fee up to 2 1/2 years (30 months) after which they try to send the funds to the A/C holders account. If that fails then it is sent to the MGA. They, SL, also should notify the A/C holder by email once 12 months has passed ?  By MGA law SL can't keep the money.

If you doubt the procedures read up on all the SL  T & C's, then go to the MGA site & read part of the scores of pages of regulations. The relevant part being the audit rules. These audits are very comprehensive & carried out by qualified independent accountants. Things like keeping legitimate A/C monies just wouldn't be allowed.

Again that A/C holder could have used the dispute process via the MGA.

[TwoCatSam]

CasinoMeister once gave an unfavorable rating to a casino because it had a bad name.  No, it was not The TwoCat Casino.

Bad name??  How about Meryl Streep?  Bad as it gets but who cares?

Sam

[SamNL]

I stand corrected Ausguy,
I was wrong about Smart Live
Thank you for the information.

I do however prefer BetVoyager, never had any problems with them and I've never found any bad stories about BetVoyager either
And BV T&C are good too.

[steven1212]

Hello ausguy,

Could you tell us about the dozen and columns limits on smart live and party casino to see if we could use my system with a 5 step progression (1,4,13,40,121) ? Do these tables have the 1:121 ratio were looking for ?

Cheers

Hello ausguy,

Thank you very much for this valuable piece of information regarding the casinos you use. It's exactly the kind of things we need to learn about in order to find a fair casino where we will be able to play the system I'm about to expose.

Only one problem in your analysis. You say that my progression is 1,3,7,15,31 and I wish it was, but unfortunately this is wrong as it would be the gmp for even chances. Remember that we are betting in two dozens. The gmp I use is 1-1, 4-4, 13-13, 40-40, 121-121. The ration needs to be 1:121.

There are very few land casinos that will allow you such table limits. For me it's not really a problem because in land casinos I would be comfortable to play the system with a three steps prog only. I don't do it for one reason. The only automatic table where I live had a 5-150 limit on dozens. That's not enough profit per unit for me. I don't want to play unit sizes under 10 GPB  anymore.

Cheers,
Steve

[atlantis]

Hi steven1212,

At smart "LIVE DEALER" you can play the 4 lines @ £1 each up to limit of £300 so if you adjusted your progression slightly to start at 2u per dozen you could do it....? Then switch over to dozens once you're past the 4-4 step (2-2-2-2 lines)



You're ok on the cols as they currently start at £1.

I also play at SLC and had no problems at all. The Live Dealer seems fair and I trust them.

A.

[amk]

Why not use one or two triggers Steven?

This way you can stay within the table limits of any live casino.

[ausguy]

steven1212 - When you mentioned Super Marty (GMP), previously in past years its always been double up the units plus 1 unit thus the 1, 3, 7, 15, 31. I realise it's 2 dozens you are playing as I've often played them myself. The 1 : 57 ratio relates to one dozen & obviously the bet outlays needs to be multiplied by two for dbl dozen bets. The goal is to win 1 unit then reset back to the minimum bet. So the bet levels would be 1-1, 3-3, 7-7, 15-15, 31-31

What I'm relating to is the bet limits on each dozen that a casino has. It's a quick way to see if your bet levels will allow your play at that casino.

As to your progression it's more than the usual triple up & as you've just revealed that fact then naturally are calcs. won't tally.

Your mention of the the 1 : 121 ratio doesn't seem correct. L1 - L4 also needs to be added = 1 + 4 + 13 + 40 + 121 = 1 : 179.
Party Casino may accommodate 10 GBP bets & L5 would be 1,790 but I'm not sure if 3,580 would be well over the total table allowance ?

5GBP min. bets may work OK as the spins are around 60 p/hr.

The rapid escalation nature of the bet levels on dbl doz/col has snookered many forum ideas. Somewhere on the forum there is a bet plan where the higher bets are divided to keep you in the game. The 6 point divisor plan is the one most discussed.

It's obvious you may need to revise your money management (MM) ?

Steve - just about to post when your new post came up. Smart Live dealer limits - Dozens 5 - 500.  Columns for some unknown reason 1 - 500.

Party Casino - All outside bets the same EC's & 2 : 1's. Min. 2   Max. 2,000. Choice of Dollars or GBP.

SamNL likes BetVoyager although I don't know if the have live dealer ?  It's not easy getting the exact bet limits at various live dealer casinos. I've spent a bit of time looking into it but most you have to sign up to get access. I didn't want to do that as eventually you end up with your email flooded with promo's.

[SamNL]

SamNL likes BetVoyager although I don't know if the have live dealer ?

BetVoyager does have Live Dealer. The Live Casino is called BetVenture.
Limits are 1-600 or 2-1200 on the VIP table at BetVenture. I've also just checked Smart Live and the limits on the Live Dealer or the Auto Wheel at Smart Live are 5-600 on Dozens or 1-600 on the Columns

[atlantis]

Hi SamNL,
At BV is it true you have to join some third party payment processor called skrill/moneybookers and they deduct fees from your winnings for processing withdrawals? (I'm aware of the deductions on winnings for nozero roulette by BV)
A.

[steven1212]

Thank you atlantis. This is a good idea. I will look into it. At my local casino, for example, I could not reach a 4th step progression if I bet on dozens only. However, if I used single numbers to fill my dozens, I could because of the extremely low limits in inside bets. It's just would take a while to place my bets and towers of chips to reach the last steps of the prog...

Hi steven1212,

At smart "LIVE DEALER" you can play the 4 lines @ £1 each up to limit of £300 so if you adjusted your progression slightly to start at 2u per dozen you could do it....? Then switch over to dozens once you're past the 4-4 step (2-2-2-2 lines)



You're ok on the cols as they currently start at £1.

I also play at SLC and had no problems at all. The Live Dealer seems fair and I trust them.

A.

[steven1212]

Amk, my system works so many time in the first step that waiting for triggers such as a virtual loss takes too long and unfortunately I do not have patience for such style of play. I know it's bad and I'll probably regret sooner or later.

Why not use one or two triggers Steven?

This way you can stay within the table limits of any live casino.

[steven1212]

Dear ausguy, I am sorry but my English may be not good enough to understand your last message.

However, if I understood it properly I take the conclusion that you are disagreeing with my progression? In that case I am going to have to keep arguing with you on that and I don't think at all that I need to revise my money management system nor my maths...
The point of the martingale raise your bet after your loss to always win one unit. The point of a super/grand martingale is the same except you aim to add one more unit to your earnings after every spin you lose. So yes, what you say is correct, you double up your stake and add 1 but that is right ONLY FOR EVEN CHANCES BETS that pay 1:1. But as you mentioned even yourself we are not betting on even chances but dozens where the payout is 2:1. And because you bet on two dozens at the same time, your payout is actually equivalent to 1:2.

Therefore, when using a martingale with a system that bets on two dozens, you do not double your previous stake after a loss, BUT YOU TRIPLE IT. On each of the dozens.
If I followed your progression, at the third step that you suggest (7-7) I would not win the 3 units I'm supposed to win. Actually, I would not even win one single unit. I would be at loss because I've already lost 1+1+3+3=8 and I only made 7 units profit on the last bet =-1 profit. Does it make more sense now?

So I say it again, the grand martingale for a system that bets on two dozens is 1-1,4-4,13-13,40-40,121-121. If you don't believe me, ask anyone else in the forum and they should confirm to you that this is the correct progression. Unless I am loosing my mind ? Amk, atlantis. You guys are experts of dozen matrix systems. Am I loosing my mind ? I hope not, it good mean I'm going crazy too regarding the grail!
If I misunderstood your past message and you actually agreed with me, please forgive me and disregard my reply.

I am a bit confused about the 1:179 ratio bit, sorry again for my bad understanding of English, I know it can make the communication a bit harsh sometimes. But let me tell you again that the limit ratio I am looking for as far as table limits are concerned is 1:121 because my first bet is 1 and my last bet is 121. Therefore, my last bet is only 121 times bigger than my first bet and I don't why you bring 179 in that equation.

Regarding other money management system, I am very familiar indeed with professor Lanky's six point divisor plan. It works well with some systems and I thank you for your suggestion but I don't think it is the most appropriate mm for my system. The reason is that my system will not fail a 5 step progression, or at least I do not think that my luck is that bad. Therefore, I will raise my bankroll much faster with a martingale than with a divisor strategy. I don't see why I shouldn't use the martingale, then? I add to this that the divisor plans relies a lot on the ration of winners versus looser. Wouldn't work for me. The system I use will give you 3,4 or 5 bets to place in a row. Out of 5 bets, maybe 4 will lose and 1 will win. It doesn't matter, because my only guarantee is that at least one will win. Thus the grand martingale.....

In any case, I want to thank you again for all your contribution to this thread and I hope to continue seeing you here very often.

Cheers mate,

Steven

steven1212 - When you mentioned Super Marty (GMP), previously in past years its always been double up the units plus 1 unit thus the 1, 3, 7, 15, 31. I realise it's 2 dozens you are playing as I've often played them myself. The 1 : 57 ratio relates to one dozen & obviously the bet outlays needs to be multiplied by two for dbl dozen bets. The goal is to win 1 unit then reset back to the minimum bet. So the bet levels would be 1-1, 3-3, 7-7, 15-15, 31-31

What I'm relating to is the bet limits on each dozen that a casino has. It's a quick way to see if your bet levels will allow your play at that casino.

As to your progression it's more than the usual triple up & as you've just revealed that fact then naturally are calcs. won't tally.

Your mention of the the 1 : 121 ratio doesn't seem correct. L1 - L4 also needs to be added = 1 + 4 + 13 + 40 + 121 = 1 : 179.
Party Casino may accommodate 10 GBP bets & L5 would be 1,790 but I'm not sure if 3,580 would be well over the total table allowance ?

5GBP min. bets may work OK as the spins are around 60 p/hr.

The rapid escalation nature of the bet levels on dbl doz/col has snookered many forum ideas. Somewhere on the forum there is a bet plan where the higher bets are divided to keep you in the game. The 6 point divisor plan is the one most discussed.

It's obvious you may need to revise your money management (MM) ?

Steve - just about to post when your new post came up. Smart Live dealer limits - Dozens 5 - 500.  Columns for some unknown reason 1 - 500.

Party Casino - All outside bets the same EC's & 2 : 1's. Min. 2   Max. 2,000. Choice of Dollars or GBP.

SamNL likes BetVoyager although I don't know if the have live dealer ?  It's not easy getting the exact bet limits at various live dealer casinos. I've spent a bit of time looking into it but most you have to sign up to get access. I didn't want to do that as eventually you end up with your email flooded with promo's.

[SamNL]

Hi SamNL,
At BV is it true you have to join some third party payment processor called skrill/moneybookers and they deduct fees from your winnings for processing withdrawals? (I'm aware of the deductions on winnings for nozero roulette by BV)
A.

Hi Atlantis,
It is true that you have to join a third party payment processor like Skrill or Neteller. But BV doesn't deduct fees from withdrawals. They only do that on winnings from the No Zero Roulette RNG like u said.

[steven1212]

SamNL, does this mean that you cannot just deposit and withdraw money through regular wire transfer from your bank?
If that's the case it sucks for me and people like me because I am asking a friend to create an account for me and he's already a bit annoyed, so I do not think that he would enjoy as well to open a skrill account. I will look into this and let you know all about my findings....
Arrgghhh, i would have thought that the casinos would have been so desperate to take everyones money that it would have been simpler even for dirty mafia money from anywhere in the world. I never thought I would find the system but not the casino... lol

Hi Atlantis,
It is true that you have to join a third party payment processor like Skrill or Neteller. But BV doesn't deduct fees from withdrawals. They only do that on winnings from the No Zero Roulette RNG like u said.

[SamNL]

I've just checked it on BetVoyager and the only way u can deposit and withdraw money are through Neteller and Skrill.
The only wire transfer option BV offers is through Skrill.