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COMMON SENSE BETTING + PROFESSIONAL ROULETTE STUDIES

Started by commonsense1968, Sep 20, 05:09 PM 2010

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XXVV

I am sorry for the readers when theory runs ahead of proven practice. It is necessary in this Game to be humble in attitude at all times. As soon as you may think you have a new way the trap door opens! Those full 30 sessions are fundamental requirements!

Patience is necessary in testing as in play.

What is needed now is to look at the problem as if it is a shiny new model of a superb new ship or aircraft and as a child, hold it in your hands and turn it around  looking at it from every possible angle. Thats the image that comes to me now.

There may be a way with those 4 number cycles and IA, or maybe it is limited in its use (only) as a tool to carefully checking ongoing cycles during play.

As we were discussing there are short cycles of opportunity and it may of course apply to these small spin cycles after all, and therefore it is necessary to re-visit those results and see just where to step on and off the magical wheel. It would be handy if the music could give us a clue when it stops! (Lol)
Onward and upward!

XXVV

As per the work on Four Wheel Sections under Roulette Methods, am exploring several permutations now by trial and error ( with full testing to every most promising show - groups of 3, 4 and 6 spins and groups of 3, 6, 9 numbers in varying combinations.

In theory I like resonances of 9.

Will update with testing in due course.

XXVV

It is Common Sense to follow what is hot and why go into the freezer to select sleepers. That is asking for nightmares. Hence the comment of 55 sessions of failure when sleeper nine number section is chosen ( refer the 4 section of the wheel thread). Sleeper duration can be like whales or rogue waves - big and always bigger ones waiting!

You need to select by an interactive method to respond and act upon the streaks ( long may they run!) or respond promptly to change, probably most sensibly by stepping aside.

We may be able to see through a glass darkly at times ( or through the fog) but predictive work can be volatile - it runs hot and cold, therefore is dangerous.

Best to access, acknowledge and run with the streaks which may occur 20% of the total time*

* subject to verification by test depending on the grouping chosen.

This is key information.

esoito

Quote from: XXVV on Feb 22, 06:29 PM 2011
It is Common Sense to follow what is hot and why go into the freezer to select sleepers. That is asking for nightmares. Hence the comment of 55 sessions of failure when sleeper nine number section is chosen ( refer the 4 section of the wheel thread). Sleeper duration can be like whales or rogue waves - big and always bigger ones waiting!

You need to select by an interactive method to respond and act upon the streaks ( long may they run!) or respond promptly to change, probably most sensibly by stepping aside.

We may be able to see through a glass darkly at times ( or through the fog) but predictive work can be volatile - it runs hot and cold, therefore is dangerous.

Best to access, acknowledge and run with the streaks which may occur 20% of the total time*


That is probably THE most sensible advice I've read in a long while!  :thumbsup:

Follow the streaks. Stop trying to predict outcomes.

And yes, knowing when to "step aside", when to dampen down the Greed Factor and fan the flames of the Commonsense Factor by following the heat...

* subject to verification by test depending on the grouping chosen.

This is key information.

XXVV

The Workshop Thread now shows my idea for Strategic Matrix for betting while hunting streaks. Its all flat staking and not even parlay/ paroli any more.
Trying to keep it simple, effective, and with minimal risk exposure.

XXVV

PS
You might like to refer to the OFF-TOPIC section and the Chch E/Q Appeal note. Thanks.

XXVV

Its going to take us a week or so but the goal is to develop an Optimum Betting Strategy Matrix (OBSM) for this sort of streak hunting approach.

Using IA  ( previous 5 spins) will measure volatility.

Using EA ( previous 20 + spins) will measure cyclic anomalies and opportunities

Looking to find the best logical pathway through (say) first dozen bets in a sequence.

Will be live play from Friday onward so can live test for final checks.

Will update when possible.

XXVV

Moral Tale

Spent 60 minutes writing a revealing and informative article on latest research.

Went to post and was logged out. So its all lost.

Too bad. From that 'give me a sign' - that material will not be published.

Had a very successful short campaign.

Will update with other material soon.

chrisbis

Funny how u make 'Signs' fit the cause eh/

That was not a sign...................U should have saved (Copy-Paste to Notepad) Ur work in U are in One 'Open' program like the Forum.

I have done the same.

Then got timed out from What ever Vehicle, the session material was in.

Its was not a sign to deny us Rich..............anything over 10 lines next time- Copy it eh!!!

Keep up the fine works.

Chris

XXVV

There has been a massive input of knowledge and experience from the short and intense campaign just completed and now new work playing the live roulette web casinos - the ones I trust and who have always paid out.

Life experience like life events can come in quantum bursts - thankfully not always but at this time my experience is rapidly expanding!

I will reflect on what was going to be posted and it will come through again in the various threads. What is so exciting is a the principle of demonstration where you bring principles and thoughts learned and apply them in concrete terms.

It is a bit like the Alchemist's Laboratory at times - have you heard a casino called that before - but it is - a testing and tempering of our natures.

Some might mistake the heat and stress as somewhere else, but no this is a great opportunity to put theory into practice. And turn dross into gold and then worthy charities can benefit also with pre -agreed and goal setting tithe percentages ( royalties). Perhaps this may also help your Fortune. There is no better feeling than distributing profit.

When I started live, I lost the first three sessions and the first day was a disaster in that context- in other ways not. A test. I was not ready and was exhausted after travel. Note to self. First day - always sight seeing. No live play!!!

Best results are coming from observing the game results and bringing out the appropriate methods to suit - not rushing in and facing a wall of choppy play. Wait for the right moment. Dont make the cardinal error of hanging your latest brainchild and pet theory on the first set of results that come to you. The screens in the casinos were often faulty anyway so you could not even pre-screen.

I am finding that 'overlap' of a couple of methods can bring the cross hairs to a target more effectively and also aggressive play pays big dividends when called for.

Some new research ideas will be discussed in coming days.

Key as always now will be to understand "the true nature of roulette" and apply appropriate traps to catch the streaks and trends. Remember as I did that losses come in streaks as do wins!

Great Hunting!

XXVV

Thank goodness this format is restored. I lost another hour long post yesterday amongst all the confusion - sorry Chris I didnt follow your advice.

Life is full of fuzzy contradictions or menacing occupants racing around in golf buggies.

One such is Charles Scammer.

I have made a new thread in the Introduction so that any one who has news or wants to join in collective legal and institutional action can do so with my  encouragement.

That the 'high moral card' was played by Charles in this game, means it is one game he will certainly eternally lose, because you dont mess with that level of Life. The ideas and actions postulated were for a vision ahead that is achievable and is actually already available in some places/organisations.

However that it could be directed to and for professional players, and that general good would result, was a great dream for many. It seems that the offer as extended by pppcwealth was empty.

Well, the good news is this is available now. And you can action it yourself with professional attitude, knowledge, practice, discipline, plans and a royalty arrangement you can establish today if you wish with your favourite bank, organisation, charity or Trust. You can organise some fellows as companions, as a new plan and vision you can participate within and can contribute to its management. Keep it simple and as Charlie Sheen advises    ( blink/ cringe and Nike winces) "Do it Now!".

It is just that for me, the clock ticked over 5 months, and I am preparing to take action to ensure temporal justice is done. So I invite others to join me, or to be invited by others who are well down the track already to join them!

Ironically those 'individuals' mentioned above published remarkably helpful and knowledgable advice for professional roulette play. We are still distilling some of that material. Much of it where specific and sometimes with notes forwarded to individuals, the advice was very helpful. However always check and test. Dont believe everything you read.

So we come back to the term 'the true nature of roulette'.

It will be possible to construct a paragraph that summarises this phenomenon and the opportunities it offers.

Working on that now. Best XXVV.

XXVV

Yes I take tomorrow seriously.
Because of that and all the good work that is put up in this Forum and am grateful for this shared and secure space, I have made a donation of         $40 USD to the Forum.

I believe it would be a good idea, and responsible action by all members who value this work, to donate as soon as possible for good management and good forward planning/ continuity. You are not likely to be asked for this from any GM, so lets be pro-active as individual members and support this fantastic work in progress!

Best XXVV

XXVV

It is fascinating the differences and allowances you have to make for not only different locations to play roulette but also the different technologies and timings allowed and required for internet live roulette.

At the moment I am using Dublin Bet, and the only minor glitch was a loss of signal momentarily after some wins and a new big bet and a note saying they will switch to a RNG. So I cut all bets and coincidentally normal service resumed. It was all innocent I am sure.

Play was busy in Dublin around midnight local time so I had 2-3 minutes per bet, and at other times it is the usual 1min. plus. The ample time is a luxury.

The timing and format of DB once you are used to it is fine.

Regarding withdrawal of profit ensure you maintain a daily 'float' or they will require 48 hours from deposit to withdrawal on credit card. This is sufficient time for most punters to lose patience and their profit.

The other outfit I am using is now the Latvian lovely ladies on Bet365.

It is VERY fast and your techniques/ methods need to be refined probably using the rebet button plus.

I like Bet 365 and have never had a problem especially after I spoke to one of their Duty Managers in Stoke on Trent and discussed football relegation prospects.

They brilliantly allow immediate withdrawal of profit via VISA and so this can act as a brilliant 'home pocket' in terms of money management - a real 'trap door' wallet which is so practical.

Once I had released myself from the enchanting spell of the very poised dealers, I then started making some profits. Key here is, because of the speed of the game, obtain a real overview and feel for the game before placing any bets. However the base unit at 0.25p is helpful for stepped short progression work. It can be VERY difficult.

What I am trying to say is that each unique roulette environment is SO unique. It takes time to learn and avoid the traps. Dont rush in but first become familiar by playing virtually or at low level. Also select only those methods where you can reach fast and correct decisions.

Two of the B+M casinos I use are very different in lighting, mood, patronage and dealer/ pit management style. Again it takes at least several days to tune into the correct 'zone' to handle these to your peak efficiency.

Talking of timing, it is amazing even though a professional 'full time player'. I spend only a fraction of my 'working' time at the tables.

All else is backround, R+D, preparation and gaining the 'intelligence' required to play in a particular location and style, as noted above.

There has been some fine professional comment on various threads recently and the note regarding size of RB is very important.

We have streaks of losses as well as wins, and that state of mind, that professional confidence, that certainty and self belief is initially fragile and needs to be nurtured with great care.

It is the nature of roulette to provide short cycles of opportunity with which, if we are alert and well prepared, we can take advantage of with a small short term edge, and step aside before the inexorable correction takes place.

We have a unique power as a player, and that is to start or stop at will. This factor is not available to the Casino. Key is to take profit and disburse before it and the opportunity to gain it, is lost.

I believe there are numerous ways, hundreds of ways, to achieve short term edge, although I am currently re-checking a method we devised some years ago which at the time was checked by a professional applied mathematician who maintained it had +5% edge on the house ( average - it varies over time).

This method was shelved because at times it bubbles along and at others becomes dangerously dormant and not suited to flat staking. Nevertheless I use parts of the method for identifying targets daily.

At those latter times the house can savagely claw back your earlier gains unless you have in place a valve, a gate, a stop.

So again, even with a substantial edge, unless you can constantly monitor your game, the cyclic nature of roulette can work against you.

Fundamental is to seek out the streaks and the trends in the short term, ie less than 200 spins. In these areas extreme conditions and distortions can apply which you can use to your considerable advantage. So different to the larger cycles, yet they too can carry through odd distortions for a while.

Today in Dublin, I had 4 appearances of number 16 in 5 spins, or 7 appearances in 25 spins. That gave me a 100% profit on RB.

XXVV

Just back from a torrid 4 days live play where my head was spinning. Not sure whether it was EQ awareness/ Nuclear Power awareness / Tsunami awareness week, menacing golf buggies, or the Equinox and Massive Moon- but it sure compressed a lot of powerful experiences!!! That combined with my hotel repeatedly screening the film 'The Knowing' in the middle of the night; it has had me on edge.

One of my colleagues has provided R.D.Ellison's "Gamble to Win-Roulette" 2002 and some of the direct practical advice within is priceless.

The definition of 'compulsion' alone is very thought provoking and needs to be faced head-on by any serious player.

I will put my hand up straight away to admit I have fallen into many traps and on this trip because of my stress and anxiety, at times I really did make stupid mistakes which I now better understand.

There is a lot of sense in the advice to build up your bank reserves actually on line rather than at the B+M Casinos because, and it is a massive qualification needed though that your methodology and play must be simple and effective in case of signal errors, there are far fewer draining distractions in your own environment, than in the den of the casino owners.

It seems an obsession in our society now to have loud intrusive music and white noise signals to prove to ourselves we are in party mode - and thus more readily able to part with our cash because we are having such 'fun'.

The poor individuals who have no choice but to work in those environments need our sympathy because their nervous systems are being worn out prematurely.

When three or more sound sources are interfacing at the live roulette table our concentration is being attacked.

Like the poker players I am now considering dark glasses and ear plugs/ ipod music at all live play.

Ellison's book is highly recommended and his web links.

The professional player really must take counter measures to retain peak efficiency. This may need to be a week minimum stay at a favourite location with appropriate spacing of sauna/ yoga/ massage/ health spa/ gym/ lots of physical exercise/ lots of relaxation/ movies/ fresh air, as well as the hit and run sessions.

I cant believe what I've learned in the past week in terms of my own shortcomings - although I have also seen how to fix them or at least get underway. The amount of planning and selection of casino has to be exact and truthful. As also your accommodation - 5* or simple. Proximity to casino is probably handy for safety as well as efficiency.

If you want a quiet game and a lovely location there may only be one table open. Are you able to have a catalogue of methods for when one has achieved a suitable goal and the bank is re-tracing, what do you do next.

These are serious questions.

You can see why planning is actually a lot of fore-seeing situations. Sometimes you need to go through a rapid change of scenes and make a host of mistakes, so as to ensure next time there, if there is a next time there, you make a full, not partial success of it.

Yes it is very hard work.

chrisbis

Its a 'Job' of work at the end of the day eh XXVV............hard graft.

Heavy on the concentration.

LIGHT ON THE BR!!.................  :xd:

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