random vs random outcome

[ausguy]

I/we forum members discussed all about what you are doing/talking on here about years ago. It never worked then & nothing has changed, even right now.

I acknowledge BV don't allow opposite EC bets. How about revealing where you do bet or is that secret "Holy Grail" business ?

I'm resigned to the fact that we are on completly different wave lengths here. So good luck in your quest, as I'm certain you're "gunna" need it ?

[Chris555p]

@Kingsroulette

In relation to your post above, where u mentioned: Never play Martingale. It is the surest way to lose all
at last. What's in your opinion, the best progression for ec bets....?

[ddarko]

Why BetVoyager don't let you bet on both Blacks and Reds? Something ''Holy Grail'' is hiding behind it? I'm trying to catch it. Think about it.

Nothing "Holy Grail" about that B&M casino's do it as well. It's to stop you tracking spins with the smallest chance of losing....

[ati]

Nothing "Holy Grail" about that B&M casino's do it as well. It's to stop you tracking spins with the smallest chance of losing....

This. But there are many ways to do free spins on no zero, I always bet 3 units on low, 1 unit on 4th double street, 2 units on 3rd dozen. You can also bet on both colors at the same time, one outside, the rest all inside bets. The downside is you need to use minimum 18 units per color. If it could beat the game, they wouldn't offer it.

[ausguy]

I just spoke to myself in the mirror and said " why do they bother placing bets when most of it can be done with on pen & paper" ? I then laughingly replied " I guess some people like to do things the hard way as the easy way seems too obvious".

[ddarko]

I just spoke to myself in the mirror and said " why do they bother placing bets when most of it can be done with on pen & paper" ? I then laughingly replied " I guess some people like to do things the hard way as the easy way seems too obvious".

As Spike used to say....

"Keep it simple stupid"

[ausguy]

Ah the good 'ol K.I.S.S.  I once saw it written as KEEP IT STUPID SIMPLE.

[ddarko]

I once saw it written as KEEP IT STUPID SIMPLE.

hehehe That's priceless 

[huskerdu]

Well, I started my post stating my experience where the RNG of  BetVoyager brought exactly the opposite outcome of the RNG of Random.org for 14 consecutive spinsin a row.  So the whole strange thing of my case was that I didn't loose because I was dealing with complicated systems of betting, neither I was based on logical thoughts (for example to bet on red , blacks to appear every spin and to martignale on reds till they appear and loose after 14 blacks). I have seen many outcomes that way. The strange thing was that my betting was derived from the outcome of the RNG of the random.org!!! So I used an RNG against another !!!
Is there  more K.I.S.S. outthere ever? I've stopped thinking what to bet. Just random bets. Anything simplier?
Imagine to flip a coin (saying for example the one side is black and the other is red)  and for 14 consecutive times in a row the outcome of the RNG of BV is exactly the oposite !!!
Propability: 1 / 16.000 !!! Unbelievable!!!
Anyway, thanks guys for your responses
Regards

[ddarko]

So I used an RNG against another !!!

Now I'm a bit old skool here, for me RNG ISN'T roulette. I'm fully aware not every here agrees on that but pls hear me out.

So, you have bet non roulette V non roulette.

How about an old "live spin" session V the ACTUAL "live spin" session?

Whatever you do the best thing I can recommend is flat betting !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vicardo]

If rng = random software then how can anyone trust that?? You may as well have bunnies jumping across the screen and pooping on numbers. Its just as roulette as rng.

[ati]

Live roulette does not need a spinning wheel and a ball, it could be the same as drawing lottery numbers, or spinning the wheel of fortune etc. It's just the way it was created. Live roulette is also rng, a mechanical random number generator. I tried playing the same system on BV and live wheel. There is no difference.
You can set the numbers from 0-36 at random.org, -which is said to be the absolute true random number generator-, and imagine playing your roulette system. You will not see any difference compared to a live game. Think about online poker, much much more people playing it, and the cards shuffled/generated by rng. No one has a problem with that.
People think if 15 reds comes in a row on rng, it must be a cheat. How about this?

This is my opinion, you're free to believe in whatever you want.

[ddarko]

I tried playing the same system on BV and live wheel. There is no difference.

Live Wheel = A man made crafted machine, operated by a human being.

RNG = a piece of software/piece of hardware

That's NOT the same in my opinion

Guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one ati   

[ausguy]

That pic of the marquee & all those 19's & 20's was discussed some months back. Someone revealed that it was a NOT IN PLAY table but something about a fault or test of the reader system by the casino tech. heads ?

Any display is possible if the "right buttons" are pushed. I doubt that a result similar to that shown would ever come up on a live in play dealer spun wheel anywhere ? 

Troll through Wesibaden or similar live dealer spins as far back as you can & show at any time Where they had 7 back to back same numbers, 8 out of 15 the same numbers (19R), x2 twice the same numbers out of 15 (20B) ?

RNG casino computer generated numbers are a different animal. In order to consistantly maintain profits they (casino) need to manipulate the numbers/results.

If this was untrue then how is it that the game program has an adjustable % return ? Let' do a quick hypothetical say an RNG game is set at 95% return to the player. Then a sharp casino bean counter discovers a loop hole in the regs. So they change the return to the player to 90%. This means that the program "diverts" a further 5% into the casinos coffers.

The casino boss lights up a nice fat cigar & laughingly declares he can now replace his ageing 2011 Ferrari with a bright shiny new one. "For you my on the ball bean counter" he declares, "will get a nice new VW". "Gee boss" the bean counter replies, "Your generosity is only exceeded by your good looks". 

Electronic Roulette's not the only game that uses RNG. Slots/Poker machines, Card Games, Horse/Dog racing, Keno, anything video. It all runs off the back of slots which dates back well before computerisation. All those gears which from day one allowed manipulated results & when your onto a good thing stick to it. Then came computers, the Internet & on line gambling has boomed.

[nottophammer]

Ati's quote
there is no difference, very true.
this morn on smart live 10 clockish,first ten spins
14
21
35
28
26
10
28
26
28
23 three repeats and  low an behold there 28,26,

35     11th spin repeat. see this in the uk bookies regular. Also in the statistics last 185 spins shows 0 6th spin, no 0 for 179 spins, are smartlive trying to hit zero,with 26 and 35 repeating and the arear those spins is 28 to 21 11 pockets around zero, dealer footprint?