Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[falkor]

This topic is losing it's appeal! And that's because most people don't know how to spot a winning system, so the casinos never have to worry - topics with rich pickings like this just get lost in a haze of conspiracy theories. But this genuine gem of a system is starting to sparkle:

Having begun to take shape this system is now ULTRA SAFE - I predict it will remain within 400 of the 500 BR - never to break the bank! In fact I am now looking to relax some of these rules in order to squeeze out maximum profits before entering watch mode:

DS 1 Closes
Win Total = 0
Spin # < 8
Open = 3

DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 7

DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 12
Open > 1

DS 3 Closes
Spin # < 17

DS 3 Closes
Spin # < 21
Open > 1

DS 4 Closes
Spin # < 20

DS 4 Closes
Spin # < 23
Open > 1

DS 5 Closes
Spin # < 30

Once this is finalised and we figure out the range of progressions would anyone be interested in making a tracker that suggests:
*What to bet
*How much to bet
*When to enter Watch Mode or move onto the next set
?

[RouletteGhost]

Falkor. I read it a few times i still dont understand the system

[nottophammer]

your not alone ghost

[RouletteGhost]

Falkor since its so great can you  lay it out. Rules. When to bet. Triggers. That kind of thing

Why is this so hard to do?

if someone posts a system they make it clear on what to do and how to do it

I have to be the one to tell you, your thread attachments are not helping. The last picture  you attached looks great but WHAT DOES IT MEAN

[ptzelepis]

Same here.....need a guide or something....

[Azim]

Falkor since its so great can you  lay it out. Rules. When to bet. Triggers. That kind of thing

Why is this so hard to do?

if someone posts a system they make it clear on what to do and how to do it

I have to be the one to tell you, your thread attachments are not helping. The last picture  you attached looks great but WHAT DOES IT MEAN

I think his rules change as system goes on to suit him. Rules are made as the situation comes along.

[Rewster88]

Falkor,

I respect all the tests you have done! I think its not the interest, but i honestly dont have any idea of what you talking about in some of the testings( how to play it etc.). It could be me so dont worry. Maybe you could give more examples by playing, short video, what exacly the testings mean etc..?

Grtz 

[thelaw]

Something needs to be said regarding these types of posts :

Anyone who exhibits attention seeking behavior ("being evasive at all cost") should no longer be taken seriously on this forum.

This is very clear behavior designed to garner personal attention and nothing more.

I think that in the future, members like Falkor should be treated appropriately based on their actions. If they don't want to share the details of a system, they should be ignored-so that we do not provide any more undue energy to people simply seeking attention.

                                                                                                                                                   -just my 2 cents

[mathguy]

First of all, I introduce myself as this is my first post.

I have been following this forum and others for quite a long time but never actually posted until now. I am not a big fan of roulette (actually prefer baccarat as house edge is quite lower) but I enjoy maths and all related stuff and I like to test systems and ideas. Just as a hobby. Up until now just to confirm everything tanks in the long term regretfully 

Now, falkor, your tests are interesting and I appreciate your hard work. But I have a few questions.

First and more important of all. Are you testing always with the same set of data (approximately 1000000 spins I assume)?

If this is the case, don't you think all you are doing is curve fitting? You have a fixed set of data and you just look for the rules that maximize your profit.

To make sure your system works (statistically speaking) it has to perform more or less the same with at least 2 different sets of data. Set your rules and once set, try them with two different sets of data. If the system still performs, you got it.

About rules so far, I think more or less I understand what you are doing. Can you confirm the following interpretation is correct?

As a general rule, bet open DS (DS that have had one hit) with mild negative progression.

We are looking for a second hit (on a different number) to close that particular DS. Then we would not consider it as 'betable' anymore.

In a number of occasions, to avoid big drawdowns we would not bet (or we would bet virtually) and this is what you call watch mode. If I understand correctly, for example:

DS 1 Closes
Win Total = 0
Spin # < 8
Open = 3

When DS1 closes before spin #8 and you have 3 DS open (with only one hit each), enter watch mode (no bets) until DS2 closes. Correct?

DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 12
Open > 1

When DS2 closes before spin #12 and more than 1 DS is open, enter watch mode....

Am I right?

[iggiv]

Welcome aboard mathguy

[iggiv]

I agree with you but it's not so clear about Falkor. I can't spend a few days reading  his posts in detail to understand (or maybe not to) what is this all about. Some people still consider this to be useful thread. So...

Something needs to be said regarding these types of posts :

Anyone who exhibits attention seeking behavior ("being evasive at all cost") should no longer be taken seriously on this forum.

This is very clear behavior designed to garner personal attention and nothing more.

I think that in the future, members like Falkor should be treated appropriately based on their actions. If they don't want to share the details of a system, they should be ignored-so that we do not provide any more undue energy to people simply seeking attention.

                                                                                                                                                   -just my 2 cents

[RouletteGhost]

Falkor. Can you explain and clear it all up. Explain the system. Enough is enough

[nottophammer]

To understand Falkor you need to be up on your maths,alas not in my case,to many math symbol like v, on its side < >and like a china mans hat ^.
But dont give up when posts like Azims come up,nice and easy to do.

[falkor]

First of all, I introduce myself as this is my first post.

I have been following this forum and others for quite a long time but never actually posted until now. I am not a big fan of roulette (actually prefer baccarat as house edge is quite lower) but I enjoy maths and all related stuff and I like to test systems and ideas. Just as a hobby. Up until now just to confirm everything tanks in the long term regretfully 

Now, falkor, your tests are interesting and I appreciate your hard work. But I have a few questions.

First and more important of all. Are you testing always with the same set of data (approximately 1000000 spins I assume)?

If this is the case, don't you think all you are doing is curve fitting? You have a fixed set of data and you just look for the rules that maximize your profit.

To make sure your system works (statistically speaking) it has to perform more or less the same with at least 2 different sets of data. Set your rules and once set, try them with two different sets of data. If the system still performs, you got it.

About rules so far, I think more or less I understand what you are doing. Can you confirm the following interpretation is correct?

As a general rule, bet open DS (DS that have had one hit) with mild negative progression.

We are looking for a second hit (on a different number) to close that particular DS. Then we would not consider it as 'betable' anymore.

In a number of occasions, to avoid big drawdowns we would not bet (or we would bet virtually) and this is what you call watch mode. If I understand correctly, for example:

DS 1 Closes
Win Total = 0
Spin # < 8
Open = 3

When DS1 closes before spin #8 and you have 3 DS open (with only one hit each), enter watch mode (no bets) until DS2 closes. Correct?

DS 2 Closes
Spin # < 12
Open > 1

When DS2 closes before spin #12 and more than 1 DS is open, enter watch mode....

Am I right?

Everything tanks? I think you'll find that most systems based on Law of the Third never tank, but they involve *waiting* for certain lengths of time before placing a bet, so bot players can win easily but over millions of spins. And this is proven a few pages back (see attachment: profit.zip)

Here I am using the same 1 million spin data from roulette testing site based on real casino spins, but the actual data for every set changes depending on whether I end set after a win, after entering watch mode, what the rules are, or whether I let a session play till the 5th or the 6th DS closes. I can sometimes get 30,000 sets out of the 1 million spins or 60,000 sets. Each set has different data each time a playing condition is changed, but every set is governed by the Law of the Third. And we re-track every set, so playing a system based on Law of the Third is not the same as repetitively playing spin by spin. If we don't break the bank in the first 30,000 sets then the bank isn't suddenly going to start breaking every 500 sets as you get to 2 billion spins.

Winning is not dependent on number of 1 million spin data sets, say, but how often it breaks the bank compared to profit.

Your interpretation is 100% correct except for after you've entered watch mode: you don't resume betting unless there is a medium-long losing streak (exact rules have not been determined yet) or we figure out another way to take advantage of the situation where one or more DSs have closed particularly fast. For now, watch mode just means end set and move onto the next set because basic play is not quite complete yet until rules and progressions finalised based on the max losing streaks.

To maintain 500 BR:
Betting 3 DSs can tolerate 8 losses
Betting 2 DSs can tolerate 12 losses
Betting 1 DS can tolerate 27 losses

3 x 8 = 24
2 x 12 = 24
1 x 27 = 27

I am currently looking for any wins/losses within any set that goes above 24.

[falkor]

Falkor since its so great can you  lay it out. Rules. When to bet. Triggers. That kind of thing

Why is this so hard to do?

if someone posts a system they make it clear on what to do and how to do it

I have to be the one to tell you, your thread attachments are not helping. The last picture  you attached looks great but WHAT DOES IT MEAN

What parts of the picture do you understand and what parts don't you understand?