More hit & run thoughts

MrJ · Dec 13, 12:39 PM 2015

Another decent factor I forgot about, thanks. I have read that around 70% of gamblers are up at some point.

The part they always leave out.....are they counting being up $5? (lol)

Anyways, could that stat also contribute AGAINST not practicing hit & run? If we all did hit & run, would the stat STILL be 70%? Nope.

Ken

Tamino · Dec 13, 12:50 PM 2015

Mr J

Yes while at the casino 60 % ( or 70% ) of gamblers are ahead at one time or another but 90 % gi them give it all back.

MrJ · Dec 13, 01:00 PM 2015

Quote from: Tamino on Dec 13, 12:50 PM 2015
Mr J

Yes while at the casino 60 % ( or 70% ) of gamblers are ahead at one time or another but 90 % gi them give it all back.

I agree.

If more people practiced a style similar to hit & run, would that stat STILL be 90% (giving it back)?

How could it be? They would be in their car driving home. A person can not take both sides on this.

Ken

RouletteGhost · Dec 13, 01:04 PM 2015

Quote from: MrJ on Dec 13, 01:00 PM 2015
I agree.

If more people practiced a style similar to hit & run, would that stat STILL be 90% (giving it back)?

How could it be? They would be in their car driving home. A person can not take both sides on this.

Ken

If a large percentage are up but give it back by staying then of course hit and run has its foundation

Tamino · Dec 13, 01:09 PM 2015

Winnings should never be replayed. They should not become part of the session`s bankroll.

MrJ · Dec 13, 01:10 PM 2015

"If a large percentage are up but give it back by staying" >>> and that is the stat put forward by almost ALL pro's, either from articles or interviews. Somebody is right and somebody is wrong on this.

Ken

Tacwell · Dec 13, 01:13 PM 2015

Quote from: MrJ on Dec 13, 01:10 PM 2015
"If a large percentage are up but give it back by staying" >>> and that is the stat put forward by almost ALL pro's, either from articles or interviews. Somebody is right and somebody is wrong on this.

Ken

What about those that leave while ahead, but give it back on their next visit, or the visit after that, or the next year?

MrJ · Dec 13, 01:17 PM 2015

Now....for the big question no one has addressed.

WHEN (how soon?) does the clock start over? Meaning, you did your hit & run, you left +250.

Returning when? 24 hours later? 17 hours later? Two weeks later? Two hours later? What about leaving one casino and going across the street to another? Does a *NEW SESSION* of hit & run start over 10 minutes later? Could it be per wheel (not per casino)?

Ken

MrJ · Dec 13, 01:24 PM 2015

Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 13, 01:13 PM 2015
What about those that leave while ahead, but give it back on their next visit, or the visit after that, or the next year?

Then they would be part of the 30%. I read a stat somewhere (gonna have to try & find it), when going to the casino, you are only suppose to play "X" number of spins (cant remember the number).

Dont gauge it in terms of time (busier it is, the slower the spins) we are suppose to keep track of every spin. When we get to that point, leave, regardless if up or down or in the middle of a progression etc.

At a certain point (looking at my chart link), the H.E. creeps up on you faster and faster. If I had to GUESS?....... 150 spins, leave?

Ken

Tacwell · Dec 13, 01:41 PM 2015

Quote from: MrJ on Dec 13, 01:24 PM 2015

At a certain point (looking at my chart link), the H.E. creeps up on you faster and faster. If I had to GUESS?....... 150 spins, leave?

This seems odd, what's stopping it from creeping up on you fast from the first spin? I'll try to answer that myself - if you're up then your luck hasn't averaged out yet, so the longer you stay the more change there is of that happening, and once that happens you'll see the HE that's actually been there all along, but now taking you for 180 spins instead of 80 (if you'd left after 80 spins).

RouletteGhost · Dec 13, 01:43 PM 2015

I will admit one thing.

Last year I played a hit and run marty.....$10 units. Everyday baccarat machine a few bets and airball roulette a few bets.

I thought i was invincible. ID be in and out, 30 minutes.

One day I JUST SO HAPPENED to hit the baccarat machine where my marty failed. CLEANED house.

MrJ · Dec 13, 01:46 PM 2015

Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 13, 01:41 PM 2015
This seems odd, what's stopping it from creeping up on you fast from the first spin? I'll try to answer that myself - if you're up then your luck hasn't averaged out yet, so the longer you stay the more change there is of that happening, and once that happens you'll see the HE that's actually been there all along, but now taking you for 180 spins instead of 80 (if you'd left after 80 spins).

Somewhere in this thread, I had asked....then are the hundreds and hundreds of articles (from pro's) wrong? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm only asking. >> "The longer you stay & keep playing, the more likely you will NOT walk out with a profit" Do you disagree with this? YES or NO?

Ken

MrJ · Dec 13, 01:48 PM 2015

If you say you agree with it, does that become hit & run? Yes or no and why?

Ken

Tacwell · Dec 13, 02:05 PM 2015

Quote from: MrJ on Dec 13, 01:46 PM 2015
"The longer you ~~stay &~~ keep playing, the more likely you will NOT walk out with a profit" Do you disagree with this? YES or NO?

Quote from: MrJ on Dec 13, 01:48 PM 2015
If you say you agree with it, does that become hit & run? Yes or no and why?

Obviously the longer you stay (i.e. number of spins you play), the more you are likely to lose, and not make a profit, but that also doesn't guarantee you'll be in profit after any specific number of spins either, and that spin count doesn't ever stop or reset for your specific system or method, and I'll explain why - if you stand a two percent chance of losing your bankroll every 60 spin session, that doesn't change, forever, so each time you sit down, there's a two percent chance you could lose. If you play 100 "hit and run" 60 spin sessions, you're seriously pushing your luck, waiting for the average to catch up to you, and that stays the same for the life of your system. So as I saw mentioned somewhere on this forum, a hit and run system should only be played once, and never again.
IMO

MrJ · Dec 13, 02:15 PM 2015

Quote from: Tacwell on Dec 13, 02:05 PM 2015
Obviously the longer you stay (i.e. number of spins you play), the more you are likely to lose, and not make a profit, but that also doesn't guarantee you'll be in profit after any specific number of spins either, and that spin count doesn't ever stop or reset for your specific system or method, and I'll explain why - if you stand a two percent chance of losing your bankroll every 60 spin session, that doesn't change, forever, so each time you sit down, there's a two percent chance you could lose. If you play 100 "hit and run" 60 spin sessions, you're seriously pushing your luck, waiting for the average to catch up to you, and that stays the same for the life of your system. So as I saw mentioned somewhere on this forum, a hit and run system should only be played once, and never again.
IMO

Yes, I should say spins, not stay. I never once used the word...guarantee. So you agree, the longer you stay, the more you are likely to lose (your words). The opposite of that is....do NOT stay long, correct? By definition, is THAT hit & run? Thats all I'm asking.

Ken

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