More hit & run thoughts

[Tacwell]

Yes, I should say spins, not stay. I never once used the word...guarantee. So you agree, the longer you stay, the more you are likely to lose (your words). The opposite of that is....do NOT stay long, correct? By definition, is THAT hit & run? Thats all I'm asking.
Ken

I think the definition of "long" is what you're looking for here? How many spins is "long"? About 150 according you your guess based on the article you read, for RG 30 spins might be considered long.

[RouletteGhost]

I think the definition of "long" is what you're looking for here? How many spins is "long"? About 150 according you your guess based on the article you read, for RG 30 spins might be considered long.

Ill respond to that. I define long as over an hour. When i test i test in 75 spin sets

And i consider a method a good one if the results are similar in all 75 spin tests.

Then i can guage if i can HIT AND RUN

[MrJ]

I think the definition of "long" is what you're looking for here? How many spins is "long"? About 150 according you your guess based on the article you read, for RG 30 spins might be considered long.

I'll simply re-word it. What is YOUR definition of hit & run? It does not mean you endorse it, I'm only asking. Maybe number of spins should not be included, I dont know?

EXAMPLE.....lets say I am using $15 units and playing only three numbers per spin. We'll call this luck I guess....within 12 spins, I am up over $1,000. Time to leave so I dont end up giving it back.

12 spins is nothing really but I think we can both agree, it is a "short" period of spins (time) to play? How would this not be called hit & run? By leaving now, I am part of the 30% and NOT part of the 70%. Thats a smart choice, not a bad choice.

Ken

[MrJ]

Ill respond to that. I define long as over an hour. When i test i test in 75 spin sets

And i consider a method a good one if the results are similar in all 75 spin tests.

Then i can guage if i can HIT AND RUN

Thats tricky. I dont agree (I try not to, lol) with gauging terms by TIME.

CASINO >>

Only you playing = around 45 spins per hour (imo)
Table is jammed up = 20-30 spins per hour (imo)

SHORT and LONG can mean two different things.

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

Thats tricky. I dont agree (I try not to, lol) with gauging terms by TIME.

CASINO >>

Only you playing = around 45 spins per hour (imo)
Table is jammed up = 20-30 spins per hour (imo)

SHORT and LONG can mean two different things.

Ken

No doubt. I play airball mostly. 60 spins an hour?

[Tacwell]

I'll simply re-word it. What is YOUR definition of hit & run? It does not mean you endorse it, I'm only asking. Maybe number of spins should not be included, I dont know?

EXAMPLE.....lets say I am using $15 units and playing only three numbers per spin. We'll call this luck I guess....within 12 spins, I am up over $1,000. Time to leave so I dont end up giving it back.

12 spins is nothing really but I think we can both agree, it is a "short" period of spins (time) to play? How would this not be called hit & run? By leaving now, I am part of the 30% and NOT part of the 70%. Thats a good thing, not a bad thing.

Ken

Ok, if I was going to play a "hit and run" system, I'd define the no. of spins I'd play based on the odds of losing the progression or whatever, so it would different for each system. For example if I worked out that once every 200 spins a killer combination of spins is due, I might play 1/8th of that, so 25 spins so I don't get near probability.
But, when someone else mentions it, I picture a system that you have to quit while ahead because it's going to lose more than it wins in the long term, regardless of the number of spins, otherwise why quit.
That's my opinion, I know it doesn't your question, sorry.

[MrJ]

We'll use 70% as the standard (est.)

When we walk into/out the casino.....we are either gonna be part of the 30% group (this should be our goal) or the 70% group, not to mention, the 90% group that ends up giving it back. This is all true regardless of which game we are going to play.

Ken

[Tacwell]

We'll use 70% as the standard (est.)

When we walk into/out the casino.....we are either gonna be part of the 30% group (this should be our goal) or the 70% group, not to mention, the 90% group that ends up giving it back. This is all true regardless of which game we are going to play.

Ken

Uh, I think I'd rather be part of the 70%? Didn't you say 70% are up at some point? That would mean the remaining 30% are never up. I'd rather aim at being up at some point. Unless I read it incorrectly, which is entirely possible.

[MrJ]

Ok, if I was going to play a "hit and run" system, I'd define the no. of spins I'd play based on the odds of losing the progression or whatever, so it would different for each system. For example if I worked out that once every 200 spins a killer combination of spins is due, I might play 1/8th of that, so 25 spins so I don't get near probability.
But, when someone else mentions it, I picture a system that you have to quit while ahead because it's going to lose more than it wins in the long term, regardless of the number of spins, otherwise why quit.
That's my opinion, I know it doesn't your question, sorry.

Its a decent answer, thanks. YOU SAID >> "otherwise why quit"? This is in probably 8 of the posts here. You should QUIT so you dont become part of the 90% stat (giving it back).

These stats (30%, 70%, 90%) are not just some silly off the wall BS numbers a person came up with. These stats are real for a REASON. Everything we do at the casino is part of a stat. Right down to whether you ate there or not? Did you use valet parking or not, etc? All stats.

Ken

[Tacwell]

Its a decent answer, thanks. YOU SAID >> "otherwise why quit"? This is in probably 8 of the posts here. You should QUIT so you dont become part of the 90% stat (giving it back).

These stats (30%, 70%, 90%) are not just some silly off the wall BS numbers a person came up with. These stats are real for a REASON. Everything we do at the casino is part of a stat. Right down to whether you ate there or not? Did you use valley parking or not, est? All stats.

Ken

I agree, and what that stat tells me is that the vast majority, if not all players, are not using winning systems.

[MrJ]

Uh, I think I'd rather be part of the 70%? Didn't you say 70% are up at some point? That would mean the remaining 30% are never up. I'd rather aim at being up at some point. Unless I read it incorrectly, which is entirely possible.

oops, being apart of the 70% (should be our goal)....THEN LEAVE.

Ken

[MrJ]

I agree, and what that stat tells me is that the vast majority, if not all players, are not using winning systems.

Dont know. That 70% stat (being up) is never really broken down by luck vs. a decent method. The END stat (unfortunately) is that most (sometimes myself included) will NOT use hit & run and end up staying. Why? I WANT MORE!! (lol)

Yes, sometimes it pays off but more often, I lose my profit. That cant only be a coincidence.

Ken

[Tacwell]

The END stat (unfortunately) is that most (sometimes myself included) will NOT use hit & run and end up staying. Why? I WANT MORE!! (lol)
Yes, sometimes it pays off but more often, I lose my profit. That cant only be a coincidence.

Ken

That's the vice. The dopamine rush when you're winning.
If you have a system that can beat the HE, it wouldn't make sense to quit though.
And if the majority started using that system, those stats would look different, and casinos would need to change something to counter that system, which would likely bring those stats back in line with what they are now.

[MrJ]

That's the vice. The dopamine rush when you're winning.
If you have a system that can beat the HE, it wouldn't make sense to quit though.
And if the majority started using that system, those stats would look different, and casinos would need to change something to counter that system, which would likely bring those stats back in line with what they are now.

Okay, lets say you dont have a great method. I like to use grades...we'll say its a C+ method.

In the first 80 spins, I am up. Do I care that I got lucky? Should I give my profit back to the dealer because it was probably only "luck"? Of course not. Do you have to have a method that beats the H.E. after 600 spins BUT it does well under 200 spins? Back to our same issue at hand....if up EARLY (regardless of how/why), the player should quit.

BTW, you sure sound like a familiar poster I know (been doing this a long time).

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

This is human nature

Many of the strategies i played won EVERY session with a 20% win goal. My quads for example

But ultimately failed because i wanted more

The whole human thing sucks