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[Azim]

There were other posts but I cant see edited posts, only fully deleted posts. Anyway guys i'm sorting out the issue with ken and RG. This should not be such a big deal really. Much bigger things going on. Check the forum rule additions. And if in doubt, or if there is a problem with anything, just ask me.

A bit of understanding both ways will help. Mods often get targeted. Anyone in position of authority does. Their job is not always easy. But mods also need to bite their tongue even more so than normal members. Anyway lets please move on from the issue. Again I'll discuss it directly with ken and RG.

Well I guess It shows a lot about the forum. Anyways, It's water under the bridge.

However, 2 incidents and same mod and 2 different people.

That should be a hint in itself.

Anyway's I am sorry to myself for having stopped by here again.

[Steve]

However, 2 incidents and same mod and 2 different people. That should be a hint in itself.

Azim, just about every forum member has had conflict with at least 2 other members. Conflict is a fact of life. It is not justified to single out Ken. He is not going to shut up just because he is a moderator, although generally mods need to be more reserved. I know I am as admin. Generally people in positions of authority are targeted more often, and without justification. A recent example for me is Petespin who speaks crap about me because I banned him for editing my posts and posts from other members. I mean what did he expect?

I'm not saying I see and read everything, but so far every time ken has been in a conflict, the other person had said or done something unjustified. I dont always agree with his handling of it, and likewise I myself havent handled some things properly too. But we are all just human. Anyway conflict is almost always a 2-way thing.

Anyway's I am sorry to myself for having stopped by here again.

Statements like that really dont help.

[Steve]

Also just because a moderator will generally be more reserved and bite their tongue, dont expect them to sit and shut up. They can and probably will respond to nonsense. In fact I expect them to, but to be careful about wording. Does it give everyone the green light to insult a mod? Well you can try it, but it will be breaking the rules to attack ANY member. And you can expect it to result in a ban. For attacking a moderator? . . . No. For attacking another member.

[Azim]

Steve,

Hate to say it. Sure that don't help. But let's face it.  He edited my posts too to make himself look like the victim.

He has done that with RG too making, once again Ken got attacked first.

Why do other mods don't get attacked and be called names. They fight a fair battle not taking their power and became tyrants.

Well, that's all i have to say.

[Steve]

Azim, I dont recall you ever having complained to me about a moderator. It does no good for anyone to complain to anyone except me. In this particular case, I cant see everything that is said. But it appears clear that ken was referred to as a "jerk". This is what apears to have prompted ken's response. From what I can tell, this was because he explaining that someone's system wouldnt work. He's allowed to do that. And if he did it in a wrong way, then tell me with precise examples of what the problem is.

Anyway we could discuss this all day, but who's going to care when we're all 80? What will be gained? Perhaps let's all just get back to it. We can all criticize an idea justly, without attacking the individual. And realistically I know people are going to butt heads every now and then. We can learn to get over it quickly.

I agree that no mod should use their position as a weapon, ie to help win an argument. I've added parts explaining this in the forum rules. It is something that is hard to avoid when you are in a position of authority, even for me. But when someone attacks me, I ask for all the justification, so I can respond very clearly. Why? Because I know I have nothing to hide. I only use the ability as a moderator when something is clearly out of line or personal. Thats how all moderators should be.

[Azim]

Steve,

I hate to say this to you...  I get copies of emails from this tread.

There was no place that RG has called Ken a Jerk.

It was just like my case I called him names because he edited the posts.

RG did the same thing. Read between lines "MAKING KEN A TYRANT TO DO ANY THING HE WANTS MAKING HIM LOOK LIKE THE VICTIM.

Anyways, YOU GOING TO PROTECT HIM.  YOU HAVE TOO HE IS YOUR MOD.

[Steve]

Anyways, YOU GOING TO PROTECT HIM.  YOU HAVE TOO HE IS YOUR MOD.

I have to make this clear. I am protecting nobody. I already contacted both ken and RG to explain what, in my opinion, both of them did wrong. That message is private for both of them. I sent exactly the same message to them both so there is no bias.

[RouletteGhost]

Plain and simple. Ken edited my posts which were not bad in anyway

He tried to deceive people that i said something bad

I am over it. I wont say another word about it

[Steve]

Ok and as I said I couldnt see your original posts, so I dont know exactly what was said. At the very least I did see you refer to him as a jerk, which was what appeared to start it. But regardless, both of you were in the wrong in some way. Anyway i explained my opinion in the message. I hope now we can all just move on from it.

[RouletteGhost]

Ok and as I said I couldnt see your original posts, so I dont know exactly what was said. At the very least I did see you refer to him as a jerk, which was what appeared to start it. But regardless, both of you were in the wrong in some way. Anyway i explained my opinion in the message. I hope now we can all just move on from it.

Im moved on. Thank u

[Azim]

I have to make this clear. I am protecting nobody.

If you aren't action speak louder than word's.

WHY DID SOMEONE DELETE MY POSTS? AFTER MY POSTS GET DELETED AND YOU ADD RULE 9 and 10  in your FORUM RULES MODIFICATION.

Anyways, I have proved to someone on this forum who was over on Wednesday last week, how easy it was for me to make 320 units with mild progression and no tracking with paper and pen.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU (STEVE) AND YOUR SITE.

[RouletteGhost]

I will say one more thing. The guy does edit and delete posts to make other members think they said something wrong......he must be stopped

When i fu*k up i apologize. This time i did not

However for what its worth i forgive him

[Steve]

If you aren't action speak louder than word's.

Absolutely, and they also say "I've explained to each member what they did wrong, and I updated the forum terms so everyone, without bias, better knows appropriate conduct".

WHY DID SOMEONE DELETE MY POSTS? AFTER MY POSTS GET DELETED AND YOU ADD RULE 9 and 10  in your FORUM RULES MODIFICATION.

Do you mean this post:

Wow  Ken Win's again because all posts get edited or deleted. This was one of the reason's I have stopped posting on this forum. Not that I am a member of any other site. GOOD LUCK TO YOU KEN!!  You the one that needs to grow up.

If so, I personally removed it, along with a lot of posts from OTHER members (including Ken and RG), because they were just dragging the forum down and perpetuating conflict. So it wasnt just your post that was removed. And it was done for the good of the forum, because the whole situation is just a waste of time. Don't you agree?

Now there are a heap of other posts that dont help the forum. they make it seem like an unfriendly place. So once we are all ready, i'll just remove them too. Ok?

Anyways, I have proved to someone on this forum who was over on Wednesday last week, how easy it was for me to make 320 units with mild progression and no tracking with paper and pen.

Unless you have other data to back it up, results in a weekend is realistically not proof of anything. I know of many systems that have won over 20,000 or more spins, but the system actually loses if you repeat the test. I'm not saying your system is good or bad - just that short term tests dont tell much.

[Steve]

Ok anyway to prevent this going any further, I'm locking the topic. Everything that needed to be said has been said. To prolong it just degrades the forum.