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#### cht

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Why can't playing & winning Roulette be easy?

It's not even possible let alone easy when you have to find consistent patterns out of random distribution.

all of these theorems and no guarantee of a consistent winner.

Theorems by itself is of little use. The logical application of theorems makes them useful to predict winners.

You will only be as clever and as stupid as the roulette "experts" on forum.

#### cht

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Here's an example of the abstract sequence that RRBB and chance allude to. Analyse this new abstract sequence with fx TA, you get solid prediction - you need a computer to do this analysis though. Btw I prefer bacs, hate the green zero.

https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19055.0

Column C is the original result, Columns K, L are the abstract sequence.
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#### cht

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
I did a search on the forum to find Colbster started 2 threads in 2012 about fx technical analysis for roulette that I talked about. Read about it here.

https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8395.0

https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8531.msg74882#new

If you've a good indicators method for scalping or swing trading, TA is a solid approach to betting casino games.
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#### praline

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
But if and only if there is a way to lose some of the losing spins using this sequence.

Do you mean, win the loosing spins with parallel bet selection, based on derived streams?
We can use the straights only from last three lines as one game to catch a repeat in about 78%, and the purpose of the second game will be winning some spins during the cycle using a non random strategy, like friends and strangers or other mathematical theorems??
But this two games will be dependent from the same random number generated by roulette and at the same time they are independent  very confusing...
I don't have TheHolyGrail.

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
No Praline. I think Priyanka is talking about sorting results into hits and non hits.

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Praline
Here's a post by Luckyfella on the old VLS forum (I think it's the same thing Priyanka is saying)

"The base concept of my system is to look for skewed distribution graph with steep fall off point. Take the bet at this fall off point which should be clearly observable from historical data. This happens with inside bets rather than outside bets.
Read my 1st post carefully. Read and reread until you get the true meaning what Im trying to say. In everything we're trying to do whether vb, ap, method, whatever we're trying to find 1. a skewed distribution graph and 2. a steep fall off point. This steep fall off point is what everyone of us is looking for no matter what approach one adopts. If and when you can understand and appreciate this you've taken a HUGE step to move beyond the basics, reset your mindset correctly and position yourself for the next all important stage of the journey which includes-

1. Does this skewed distribution with a steep fall of point exist?

2. What are we looking for that has this characteristic in the 1st place?

3. Why must it be so? Not necessary but if backed with logic/rationale the better

4. Is this observation from past event  1.temporary or 2. localised, meaning in that casino only ?

5. It takes tonnes of hard work to hunt for it, many of which will turn out as false trail. You only need one to be profitable. This is where LUCK plays a HUGE role. You need to be LUCKY and gambler smart to stumble upon it.

6. You also need to know how to test the data in a quick, effective and informative manner. This aspect is very much underestimated cos with this skill your able to elimate the useless, point you search in the correct direction while quickly narrowing the possibilities.

7. Pts 5/6 means you must be an excellent data miner with an astute gamblers mind. Sorry guys, you've got to have a lot of the correct dna greys between your ears.

8. If and when you do finally fish out this rare species you still have to consider the physical and practical aspects, eg. Do you need partners to work with, the number of hours/session, sessions/day, days/week, number of tables/session and so on.

Its a long hard road ahead. Are you prepared for all the above? Are you serious enough to take all of the above as personal sacrifice to chase a highly probable illusion? Ask 1st do you have the necessary tools between your ears? Never work alone, your not clever enough.

I made this ardous journey and today as priviledged member of a resort casino the transport, stay and food is paid for the casino, the only requirement to qualify for this priviledge is to place the required bets at the tables. The casino miss me cos if I dont show up theyll sms/email me and offer me goodies to entice me back there. What are they afraid off? That I run away with their chips and never come back sayonara. They need to win them back.

I tell you this not to boast or gloat. This is the gamblers reality. Either you scoop or you go bust and straight to the poor house. Theres no halfway house. Now that you know are you still up to it or have you change your mind? Its all or nothing the rest will only waste your money, time and life. The choice is yours to make.

Good day to all."
The biggest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance ; it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J Boorstin.

#### cht

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Praline
Here's a post by Luckyfella on the old VLS forum (I think it's the same thing Priyanka is saying)

"The base concept of my system is to look for skewed distribution graph with steep fall off point. Take the bet at this fall off point which should be clearly observable from historical data. This happens with inside bets rather than outside bets.
Read my 1st post carefully. Read and reread until you get the true meaning what Im trying to say. In everything we're trying to do whether vb, ap, method, whatever we're trying to find 1. a skewed distribution graph and 2. a steep fall off point. This steep fall off point is what everyone of us is looking for no matter what approach one adopts. If and when you can understand and appreciate this you've taken a HUGE step to move beyond the basics, reset your mindset correctly and position yourself for the next all important stage of the journey which includes-

1. Does this skewed distribution with a steep fall of point exist?

2. What are we looking for that has this characteristic in the 1st place?

3. Why must it be so? Not necessary but if backed with logic/rationale the better

It becomes logical when you see it with your own eyes.

4. Is this observation from past event  1.temporary or 2. localised, meaning in that casino only ?

5. It takes tonnes of hard work to hunt for it, many of which will turn out as false trail. You only need one to be profitable. This is where LUCK plays a HUGE role. You need to be LUCKY and gambler smart to stumble upon it.

6. You also need to know how to test the data in a quick, effective and informative manner. This aspect is very much underestimated cos with this skill your able to elimate the useless, point you search in the correct direction while quickly narrowing the possibilities.

7. Pts 5/6 means you must be an excellent data miner with an astute gamblers mind. Sorry guys, you've got to have a lot of the correct dna greys between your ears.

8. If and when you do finally fish out this rare species you still have to consider the physical and practical aspects, eg. Do you need partners to work with, the number of hours/session, sessions/day, days/week, number of tables/session and so on.

Its a long hard road ahead. Are you prepared for all the above? Are you serious enough to take all of the above as personal sacrifice to chase a highly probable illusion? Ask 1st do you have the necessary tools between your ears? Never work alone, your not clever enough.

I made this ardous journey and today as priviledged member of a resort casino the transport, stay and food is paid for the casino, the only requirement to qualify for this priviledge is to place the required bets at the tables. The casino miss me cos if I dont show up theyll sms/email me and offer me goodies to entice me back there. What are they afraid off? That I run away with their chips and never come back sayonara. They need to win them back.

I tell you this not to boast or gloat. This is the gamblers reality. Either you scoop or you go bust and straight to the poor house. Theres no halfway house. Now that you know are you still up to it or have you change your mind? Its all or nothing the rest will only waste your money, time and life. The choice is yours to make.

Good day to all."
The answer is in my post#271 & #272.

I have revealed the secret that guys like luckyfella told about earlier but they did not give the details.

I have given the details but I decided not to show you guys this steep fall off point how to do it in a graph.

Step 1 - translate the original result into parallel dynamic streams, I did 2stage in my example post#271.

Stage 2 - plot this result in a graphical format (3graphs, I scan 6graphs per shoe), then search for this steep fall off point. Use fx TA, post#272.

I shared about fx TA the day I joined this forum. Just check out my posts if you are interested.

How solid is this fall off point if you manage to pin point it ?

Average 2-6 net banker/player. You can play roulette ECs instead of bacs. But when you have enough experience you will know why bacs is the better game.

How many fall off points per bacs shoe ?

At least 1bettable fall off point on average ?

What is the max drawdown per fall off point ?

2 chips for stop loss per fall off point.

I'm certain this method has never been shared in detail anywhere on any forum.

You need a rc to spot this fall off point and the casino you play at must allow the use of rc.

This is 1 of the 2 systems play that can beat casino games.

Cheers !
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#### cht

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
I have also posted the details about the other systems play that can win, ie. repeaters post#238 and other posts on the forum.

Do the hard work to check it out yourself. This is a necessary process to convince yourself, no one can do this for you. You only believe your eyes and what you see, not another persons words.

Cheers !
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#### cht

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6. You also need to know how to test the data in a quick, effective and informative manner. This aspect is very much underestimated cos with this skill your able to elimate the useless, point you search in the correct direction while quickly narrowing the possibilities.

7. Pts 5/6 means you must be an excellent data miner with an astute gamblers mind. Sorry guys, you've got to have a lot of the correct dna greys between your ears.

8. If and when you do finally fish out this rare species you still have to consider the physical and practical aspects, eg. Do you need partners to work with, the number of hours/session, sessions/day, days/week, number of tables/session and so on.

Its a long hard road ahead. Are you prepared for all the above? Are you serious enough to take all of the above as personal sacrifice to chase a highly probable illusion? Ask 1st do you have the necessary tools between your ears? Never work alone, your not clever enough.
Tbh, about pt7 after reading many posts on this forum and others it shows there's plenty evidence that indicates the necessary tools between the ears is not there. It's a brutal comment not meant as an insult.

I've always said the practical aspect is the most difficult. It's not only about beat the game that's not enough, it's mostly about how to beat the casino which is another huge topic to look at. I agree about never work alone, you work in a team to watch each others back. Even if you're darn smart you still do make mistakes.
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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Could anybody who understands non random suggest a session bankroll.
VADDI recommended 120 units for his system.
He also recommends ending play at around 25 spins. Is this what rrbb meant when he said not to let the law of large numbers catch up with you?

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#### Blueprint

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Is this what rrbb meant when he said not to let the law of large numbers catch up with you?

No.
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#### MoneyT101

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Finally I figured this out!!!!

My new quote in my signature is for you guys

I have no way of thanking you cause everyone is a ghost now.  So hopefully i post this here and you get the message.

Thank you Redd, Pri, Dyksexlic!!!!

question/notes
-Creating your own bet.  Im sure theres no right or wrong way of doing it but maybe there is a better way.

-Also I tried making sense of u:dxu>=n.....but if you played ramsey(red/black) with it, certain combinations cause you to fail due to the repeats.  so something is missing to break out of that.  Not sure if i apply the same solution i found with this.

So many things to try and test.  But i feel like i wasted years just getting to this point, my brain is tired of chasing dead ends.  Maybe ill stick to this solution for a while and return for advance play after i enjoy the fruits of my labor for a while.

Im a student of the game and would like to further advance the knowledge attained tho,  Would be nice if one of you guys posted,.....
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### Blueprint

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Others walk the bow, I walk the Line.

#### MoneyT101

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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