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#### mogul397

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##### double dozen progressions
Feb 16, 08:38 AM 2017
progression stuff. I think we get 1,3,9 or 1,3,9 27.

But has anyone worked with and had any success with the +1
after a loss thing?  I toyed with the thing that said "+1 till you recoup".

As Bleep emphasized in the other thread, there is also sitting out losses,
which I recommend. But I haven't dug into the math on this thing.

RG I know this is your bag. And I also like DD.

So any ideas or stories of experiences?

Another angle, I think, is not +1 EVERY spin as an old original suggested.
But I don't know.

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#### RouletteGhost

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Feb 16, 08:39 AM 2017
Motto likes +1 -1 on DD

The problem for me is I need a ton of money to do this my casino minimums are 10 to 15

If I had \$1 airball that would be different
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#### mogul397

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Feb 16, 12:48 PM 2017
Thanks. I haven't really taken it for a test drive money wise.

I feel your pain on the table mins.  It has ALWAYS been a factor in considering
tie viability of a method just like casino distance and other things have. Like it
may be worth going further for lower limits.  Or if you have something that
tends to be more flat bet.

The bottom line becomes, "do I believe in this enough, and how much will I throw at it".

One thing that sticks in my craw about NLE is step 5 on a D'alenbert is 15 units. step 10
is 45.  So in my thick head I think in terms of \$100 bank. I need to know how far it will
take me, and I'm stuck there. For now.  Bleep has indirectly shown me that that's foolish.
4-6 units becomes his mid point.  But with NLE2, it sounds a bit less volatile.

Anyway in terms of the DD, as long as you sit out losing streaks, the +1 does seem to have
some strength in keeping up, and hoping for the win streak. I'm just not sure if it should
be controlled.

Maybe the +/- 1 is the best for now.  A lot safer than 3 shots at 1,3,9
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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 05, 08:56 AM 2017
Mogul,
How about trying the gr8player progression on the double dozens:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2, etc.

Or if that's too pedestrian for you, you can try the shortened gr8player version:

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2, etc.

I have never tried the above myself, but some people have claimed that you can weather losing streaks better with the above progression.
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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 05, 10:45 AM 2017
I have not found Gr8    (5/6/7 length) to be any good with DD`s. 1 3 9 27 burns you (unless you are extremely lucky) but it will get you next time.

I have seen a progression mentioned in this form saying only bet after a win.  Has any member seen this (or played it) and if so what`s it all about?

Like most members I like DD`s.  It is 2 v 1 so I have flat bet hoping to get a few units in front and then pack up.  It has worked quite a few times but you are just relying on luck and is not really recommended.

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 13, 11:55 AM 2018
I use 3 double streets with a +1u on each when lost, -1u on each when won. However if  you encounter 8 losses in a row i'd increase by 2u and down 2 when won, then resume -1u down when back to you BR you had at 8 losses.

8 losses requires 36 units x 3 double streets =112 units , if you exhaust 112  press to 2u or set stop/loss limits and try again, If you get in to too deep have a look at your bank roll, you may be still ahead overall and just reset back to 1u

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 13, 12:01 PM 2018
I have not found Gr8    (5/6/7 length) to be any good with DD`s. 1 3 9 27 burns you (unless you are extremely lucky) but it will get you next time.

I have seen a progression mentioned in this form saying only bet after a win.  Has any member seen this (or played it) and if so what`s it all about?

Like most members I like DD`s.  It is 2 v 1 so I have flat bet hoping to get a few units in front and then pack up.  It has worked quite a few times but you are just relying on luck and is not really recommended.

Bleep
I have down so flat betting them and pressed up 1u only after 3 wins in a row, as your wins increase you can increase your press. Do the math, it insures some profit if lost. I got up to 74 units on each once before it bite me

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 13, 01:03 PM 2018
If you have a very solid bet selection for two dozens and want to make some good profit try this :

1
2.5
6.25
15.625
Etc
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#### Thanatos

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 14, 05:54 PM 2018
What i took from the 100+ page grassroots thread about double dozen betting was that in 3 spins you win the first 2 bets a lot. Like only once in 25-30 spins you actually get into the situation where you loose 3 bets in a row (using the grassroots "patternbreaker" kinda system where you bet against a unique pattern like 123, 312, 213 etc. Conclusion: so why bet a third expensive time if you loose the previous 2 bets? instead just keep betting 1, 3 continually & should you loose the 2 previous, that wait for a virtual bet. If you havnt the patience for the 1, 3 grind, then instead do 1,3 then 2, 6, then 3,9 and revert back one step once in profit and/or win. One way or the other double dozen will always feel very 3 step forward and then 2 backwards again & again.

With a win chance higher than 50% statistics also suggest that you should reverse your betting. Aka bet 3, 1 instead of  1,3. Again taking the grassroots stats, like in 30 spins (10 sets of 3) you win like on first bet in 5-6 sets, you win on 3-4 sets  on second bet and 1 one set you get to 3rd bet (win/loss). Of cause its grindy too and you can argue doing 3, 2 or just flatbetting or ladder again.
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#### sugtips

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 15, 08:04 AM 2018
What i took from the 100+ page grassroots thread about double dozen betting was that in 3 spins you win the first 2 bets a lot. Like only once in 25-30 spins you actually get into the situation where you loose 3 bets in a row (using the grassroots "patternbreaker" kinda system where you bet against a unique pattern like 123, 312, 213 etc. Conclusion: so why bet a third expensive time if you loose the previous 2 bets? instead just keep betting 1, 3 continually & should you loose the 2 previous, that wait for a virtual bet. If you havnt the patience for the 1, 3 grind, then instead do 1,3 then 2, 6, then 3,9 and revert back one step once in profit and/or win. One way or the other double dozen will always feel very 3 step forward and then 2 backwards again & again.

With a win chance higher than 50% statistics also suggest that you should reverse your betting. Aka bet 3, 1 instead of  1,3. Again taking the grassroots stats, like in 30 spins (10 sets of 3) you win like on first bet in 5-6 sets, you win on 3-4 sets  on second bet and 1 one set you get to 3rd bet (win/loss). Of cause its grindy too and you can argue doing 3, 2 or just flatbetting or ladder again.

Thanks God and Good Morning All.

Thank you Thanatos and DoctorSudoku.

You guys has sorted out one of my biggest challenge.

thanks a lot. God Bless you.
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#### nottophammer

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 15, 08:29 AM 2018
Mogul,
How about trying the gr8player progression on the double dozens:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2, etc.

Or if that's too pedestrian for you, you can try the shortened gr8player version:

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2, etc.

I have never tried the above myself, but some people have claimed that you can weather losing streaks better with the above progression.
DR
i bet every spin on dd once and did ok,using +1/-1 but what turned it was parlying the win.  worked a treat on MPR, but dont now, strange
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#### Bigbroben

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 15, 01:31 PM 2018
Don't know if lucky but hey, some results:

flat betting on last 2 dozens.  If a dozen repeats, one unit on it only.

I read in another forum this kind of calculation:
How many spins before to hit a dozen?  37/36, around 1.
How many spins before to hit 2 dozens?  37/36+37/24, so around 2,57 spins.
How many spins before to hit 3 dozens? 37/36+37/24+37/12, so around 5,65 spins.

Would it make sense to bet the 2 repeating doz instead of the 2 unhit?
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#### Bigbroben

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 15, 02:00 PM 2018
After 400:
must have been luck...

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#### nottophammer

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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 15, 02:50 PM 2018

Bigbroben
On the above you can see i have set the Bank to 1000 just like the dodgy MPR. What i'm doing is betting double dozen, the dozen that hits, is not bet next bet.
Like MPR i'm using 10 units on each. The bet grew at times because of parlays, you can see i had a high of 130 at spin15, the parlay to me helps, and at spin 47 i'm back at the previous high and dropped to 1 units of 10 again, you see at spin 54 high of +200.

Now if the bankroll was well higher i would have carried on parlaying down to 10 units again, spin 54 would have had 30 units, but as BR is still small, had to drop to 10 units.
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##### Re: double dozen progressions
Mar 15, 03:38 PM 2018

Cant wait to use bigger unit, but build slowly
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