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## Pigeonhole Revisited/Out of the box reference

Started by MoneyT101, Nov 02, 09:34 PM 2017

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#### cht

For European wheels of 37numbers(36+zero) -

1. PhP tells us by 38spins, there will be at least 1 repeat.

2. Binomial distribution tells us that by 37spins the expected hit is 24 and repeat is 13.

3. Birthday paradox tells us by the 10th spin the probability of a repeat is in excess of 90%.

I posted that excel sheet months ago on turbo thread. How is PhP suppose to help give us a betting edge ? Explain in plain language with clear roulette examples that everyone can understand. Nothing cryptic pls, we had enough of that nonsense. Thx.

#### MoneyT101

I said everything in my last post!

All you have to do is read.  I gave away the answer how to solve.   I even told you what to play and how to play it

All you have to do is READ
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

CHT is spot on imo.
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What do we get in 5 spins? Using 4 outcomes?  A repeat!

Atlantis proposed this in the form of four unique lines-
And the fifth spin one of those four should hit.

I'm more interested in the 'socks that don't match'

#### MoneyT101

Dyksexlic...
Quote
To form a 38 word sentence in ENGLISH requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' grammar rules !!!
To form a 38 spin repeating cycle using the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle in roulette requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' betting rules
!!

Now, using just one set of 37 RANDOM WORDS would be difficult enough, but supposing we added a 'CONTINUAL' SECOND data stream of random words (composed of the 37 original word 'VOCABULARY' data set) and fed them into a roulette table composed of the FIRST set (to act as our roulette 'SPIN' event) !

Would it be possible for any roulette 'System' to be able to take the SECOND data stream of words and accurately PREDICT the correct relevance of each of the 37 place holders (roulette table bets) BEFORE 1 of the words REPEATS ? - thus ORDERING them into a COHERENT English Sentence that used the 37 WORDS in the CORRECT order.

Now the 'CHANCES' of being able to do this are so high, that no computer in the world could POSSIBLY calculate the odds. If I used a machine to create the second data stream of roulette 'SPIN' words, I could be accused by 'EXPERTS' of cheating. So I thought of a better solution. Supposing I took words (which could be found on the original 37 word roulette (table') from forum posts (in the order they were posted) to act as 'RANDOM' spin events ?

Could anyone then accuse me of cheating ? I didn't choose the 'spin' words myself, did I ?

QuoteTurning 'RANDOM' into 'ORDER' is what you are TRYING to do when you place a bet in roulette.

The roulette wheel is 'RANDOM', and the roulette table is 'ORDER'...

Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 04, 03:54 AM 2017
CHT is spot on imo.
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I'm more interested in the 'socks that don't match'

That's good atleast someone is thinking!  You should look into it!  I used the idea just to get a point across.  I play for both repeats and uniques!

I'm no better then anyone.  I still can improve my game. It's not perfect yet.  But it wins flatbet!

You can't win just playing repeats!
You can't win just playing uniques!

You have to play in a way that has both

This is my last tip! Shining light to what I'm doing and what dyksexlic did.

*Use the roulette result as a random number generator for your system!* can't get anymore clear then that with everything I've posted in this thread

I play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...Roulette gives me a result and I convert to my game and pick based on what I'm playing!  9 results give me a loss and 28 results give me a win

Dyksexlic has a different method
Reddwarf has a different system
Pri has different methods
The method I am using is different

But all have same things in common! In some way shape or form.
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### psimoes

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 12:26 PM 2017Pigeonhole theory says I can't lose no matter the outcome.

Really?
[Math+1] beats a Math game

#### iar000

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 04, 06:44 AM 2017
That's good atleast someone is thinking!  You should look into it!  I used the idea just to get a point across.  I play for both repeats and uniques!

I'm no better then anyone.  I still can improve my game. It's not perfect yet.  But it wins flatbet!

You can't win just playing repeats!
You can't win just playing uniques!

You have to play in a way that has both

This is my last tip! Shining light to what I'm doing and what dyksexlic did.

*Use the roulette result as a random number generator for your system!* can't get anymore clear then that with everything I've posted in this thread

I play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...Roulette gives me a result and I convert to my game and pick based on what I'm playing!  9 results give me a loss and 28 results give me a win

Dyksexlic has a different method
Reddwarf has a different system
Pri has different methods
The method I am using is different

But all have same things in common! In some way shape or form.

Thanks

#### praline

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 04, 06:44 AM 2017someone
Do you know how to apply this ideas to roulette or you are just waiting for some new ideas to improve your strategy???
I don't have TheHolyGrail.

#### MoneyT101

Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: praline on Nov 04, 09:53 PM 2017
Do you know how to apply this ideas to roulette or you are just waiting for some new ideas to improve your strategy???

Where in any of my post in this thread did i ask you or anyone for help?  Im not like your friend who deceived people just to get info out of them.  If i dont know something i dont act as if i do!

I shared alot of info that took me a long time to put together!  Some of what i said shouldnt even be in here.  But clearly everyone who wants to be blind will continue to do so!

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 12:35 AM 2017
I'm speaking from experience.

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 07:31 AM 2017
What was the goal?

To create situation where we aren't playing random!

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 03, 07:49 AM 2017
We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us.

Can WE CREATE a situation using the info in this thread?

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 04, 06:44 AM 2017
I play for both repeats and uniques!

It's not perfect yet.  But it wins flatbet!

This is my last tip!

*Use the roulette result as a random number generator for your system!*

I play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...

The method I am using

I already created the game.  As matter of fact because i know how to create the game, i can create many games.  All different and they all can win.  AT THE SAME TIME!

So tell me again.... what are you or anyone in this forum going to teach me? (not including dyksexlic/reddwarf/pri, i still have alot to learn from them)
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

Could you provide more clues MoneyT101?

They don't have to be exact.  Maybe a page on a forum or a quote from somebody?

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 05, 01:12 AM 2017
Could you provide more clues MoneyT101?

They don't have to be exact.  Maybe a page on a forum or a quote from somebody?

Give me two to three days, I'm a be pretty busy right now
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### cht

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 05, 01:47 AM 2017So tell me again.... what are you or anyone in this forum going to teach me? (not including dyksexlic/reddwarf/pri, i still have alot to learn from them)
Wow ! What a comment.

You don't happen to have a broken keyboard, do you ?

Anyway, about repeaters and VdW, I aligned them together binomial distribution on one page and VdW on another, when VdW coordinates with binomial distribution, the repeats hits the hot pockets like magic ! Just tried it moments ago, looks logical since they're on the same side, I wonder if they hold over a large sample, that's to find out.

#### Kattila

Quote :

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Turning 'RANDOM' into 'ORDER' is what you are TRYING to do when you place a bet in roulette. ***

Not sure who said that , but that is one of the best ways to try to beat roulette.
Random is limited by ORDER, i can say that the order is one of  the best enemy of
the random.
Because of random the numbers and groups of numbers can not
stay / hit always in same order, at some point will change the Position(s).

*Past ordered sequence* Vs *random sequence *
POS vs RS
Remember POS are not prederminate groups(doz, col, R,B,E,O....) , are created from the last few x  spins.
Create your own groups with numbers or splits ( sometimes can be used also streets). New session , new
created groups , so  not static groups.

POS = abcabcabcabc......(created groups)
RS= acbcacaabcca.......(predetermined groups)

- in the first we see same positions ( position 3 and 6) between same group of numbers
( from a to a , from b to b, from c to c )
higher probability to hit position 1 or position 2 in the next X spins
- in the second we see chaotic / random sequence , chaotic positions between same
group of numbers, probability to hit..... any position (maybe 1 and 2 higher because
statistics...)

Other example :
POS = aabbccaabbcc...
RS =  caabcbccbabba....

- in the first we see same positions (position 1, 5 and 6 )
- in the second again random sequence and positions
-  what positions will hit in the next x spins ? any for sure , but
i am sure position 2 or 3 will hit very soon ( but not in all of the cases/sessions)

Anyway from statistics (for groups)positions 1 , 2  (and 3 ) have the higher probability
to hit , so why not create situations where this positions will be missing ( forced absence
using order /past spins/ position ) than attack for few spins that positions.

Also,
I know one spin is independent , but one group of numbers is not independent anymore

#### cht

Quote from: Kattila on Nov 05, 06:18 AM 2017
Quote :

***
Turning 'RANDOM' into 'ORDER' is what you are TRYING to do when you place a bet in roulette. ***

Not sure who said that , but that is one of the best ways to try to beat roulette.
Random is limited by ORDER, i can say that the order is one of  the best enemy of
the random.
Because of random the numbers and groups of numbers can not
stay / hit always in same order, at some point will change the Position(s).

*Past ordered sequence* Vs *random sequence *
POS vs RS
Remember POS are not prederminate groups(doz, col, R,B,E,O....) , are created from the last few x  spins.
Create your own groups with numbers or splits ( sometimes can be used also streets). New session , new
created groups , so  not static groups.

POS = abcabcabcabc......(created groups)
RS= acbcacaabcca.......(predetermined groups)

- in the first we see same positions ( position 3 and 6) between same group of numbers
( from a to a , from b to b, from c to c )
higher probability to hit position 1 or position 2 in the next X spins
- in the second we see chaotic / random sequence , chaotic positions between same
group of numbers, probability to hit..... any position (maybe 1 and 2 higher because
statistics...)

Other example :
POS = aabbccaabbcc...
RS =  caabcbccbabba....

- in the first we see same positions (position 1, 5 and 6 )
- in the second again random sequence and positions
-  what positions will hit in the next x spins ? any for sure , but
i am sure position 2 or 3 will hit very soon ( but not in all of the cases/sessions)

Anyway from statistics (for groups)positions 1 , 2  (and 3 ) have the higher probability
to hit , so why not create situations where this positions will be missing ( forced absence
using order /past spins/ position ) than attack for few spins that positions.

Also,
I know one spin is independent , but one group of numbers is not independent anymore
POS has to have a reason why they demonstrate this order, not based on some voodooish assumptions unless whatever universal claim can be backed up with empirical evidence. Or you're expressing an opinion or belief of some sort ?

The purpose of latest tech advances is basically to randomnise outcomes with physical intrusion mid-spin that's legal. How is this supposed order claim possible when such intervention is activated in actual live money play if need be for the operator ?

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