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MoneyT101

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The only pattern that can be predicted is in which sector of roulette the ball lands the most. You should bet on the wheel, not the table.

Imho

Everyone's opinion is heard and to be respected.  But if I bet on the table or the wheel or random numbers coming out an rng!  Makes no difference

But your trying to tell someone that has a working method that it wont work.

TG and fossell are both speaking from experience and gave a very good explanation of what they do. 

Instead of trying to figure out why it's different or why it works.  Your trying to give them advice.  That makes no sense!

I'm not attacking you or trying to be arrogant.   I'm trying to give you advice. Maybe you should look into what they are saying.   The key is not to think of 1 spin
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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I don't bet on all numbers that appeared - it wouldn't really be possible unless I was at a terminal or playing online. At a table I can't cover a large amount of numbers so I keep the amount of numbers that I play small. So I miss out on some great wins - yes. I only need one or a few of my played numbers to win above expected, and that always happens.
Thanks for the answer. It's an important one to establish your betselection model to understand where you're coming from.
You will only be as clever and as stupid as the roulette "experts" on forum.

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The only pattern that can be predicted is in which sector of roulette the ball lands the most. You should bet on the wheel, not the table.

Imho
I do not agree that sector prediction using VB or rc is the only way to win at roulette.

There are systems play that can win. But they are not the run of the mill systems posted here. I have not seen anyone posted it on forums and I don't expect it either although I have posted the gist of it here.

Repeaters and parallel streams are the 2 ways I have researched extensively and they can win when played with disciplined rules.

It all comes down to betselection and timing of when to start bet.

For those who claim to not predict which numbers to bet = no betselection and bet from the first spin = no timing, all power to you.  :thumbsup:

By win I look at +100% return on sessions br, how fast the system achieve that target, the drawdown, how large is the drawdown against the total bankroll, ie. how many sessions br is lost. My sessions br is 6% of investment.
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A standard investment is 15K played at b&m casino. I do not operate alone, I'm part of a group of regular old-timers having fun and entertainment.

I gave the details so that you understand the perspective where i'm coming from. I like to know your perspective too to better appreciate your posts.
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I changed my mind. Repeaters are the key to making miilions at roulette. Lots of people make a fortune with repeaters. Thats exactly why if you play repeaters, the casino will ban you.

Advantage play is a load if crap. Casinos only pretend to be worried about it just to prevent players from focusing on repeaters.

I admit it. I make a fortune playing repeaters and only preached AP to distract people.

All the experts really know repeaters work. We hide the truth. We are all in in it, and the repeaters players are the real experts.

And when anyone discovers the truth and posts it here, i rush to quicky cover it up because im desperate for sales. I cant eat without them. I have no integrity or honesty. I'm so motivated by money id lie my ass off if it meant a few extra bucks.

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I'm curious.. How many repeaters players actually make millions? Come on, don't be shy.

I know you're out there. I'm so sick of hiding the truth. I'm sure turbo is one of them. He really showed us in parx, which is so not mathematically rigged. Of course he had to lose the lot intentionally, because you know that's just what people do right?

I need you millionaires to come forward so i can prove to everyone I'm not going to ban you anymore.

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I also lied about the odds for single numbers. It's actually 1 in 24, not 1 in 37.

But you can still win without changing the odds. Because even if it's 1 in 37 for a single spin, over time it becomes 1 in 24. Just like 0+0=0, but 0+0+0+0+0=25

I'm sorry for lying. But it feels good to finally tell the truth.

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That's childish.
I'll just back out of the thread, I've said what I came to say.

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Cool it guys. No one has full monopoly of info especially when we deal with random. We know some, some other people know some and you can be assured there're ways out there you've not thought about yet, take it the right way it's an intellectual challenge. There're ore than 1 way to skin the cat definitely. But not those silly claims from noobs going on about supposed non-random game and so on, put them on ignore. Casino games is random there's no changing that, get real. If you insist on believing otherwise bet the farm.  :thumbsup:
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Sarcasm is not childish. Im making a point.  I mean you must have made a fortune, if what you say is true.... unless you prefer spending days winning monopoly money without understanding the math behind the wins... And unless you prefer a few small wins instead of millions. Or maybe you already don't need to work for money anymore. Maybe you have a job because so easily beating even rng is simple for you. Right?

All those pros that ever explained the basic math of the real world.... you know they are all actually lying, just like me. They are selling something. There's no other explanation.

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Ps i do get the concept of beyond 1 spin. What you are not understanding is that principle is well tested too.

No group of spins make another group more likely. One of the most tested principles is the most obvious...... hot numbers.

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Pps, i rely on my own testing, not someone's words alone. Anyone can use the free software i published, or at any similar software to see for themselves. I have a version that looks for every possible combination or set principle.

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I have said many times there are many ways its possible to beat roulette. Not just technology i use or sell. My interest in truth is much, much stronger than interest in profit.

I would love for someone to find something better. I would sincerely give them ample publicity if they wanted, not censor it as some stupid claims. When have i ever censored??

Anyone paying attention knows i encourage people to explore NEW ways to beat roulette... not the same old bullshit.

I don't give a crap if people don't like the idea of my methods. If they find something better im offering $100,000 for it. Proving i have the funds is laughable and easily done to anyone serious.

I don't stifle innovation even if it were better than the 150% edge of a computer. I would welcome it.  again when have i ever censored a method?

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I have said many times there are many ways its possible to beat roulette. Not just technology i use or sell. My interest in truth is much, much stronger than interest in profit.

Steve, I'm curious!

You say there are many ways to beat roulette other than through software, VB, computers or bias. What are these ways?
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