question for Turbo

[daveylibra]

What is mpr & parx?
Is this about 'fun money' roulette?
I don't doubt the vaildity of anyone's claims, but some people would. I mean, I know if I had a profitable system I would be using my time playing with real money instead.
I remember Turbo saying in a post that he is not interested in money, but we all surely know someone who could use some! I have a 7 month old daughter, so I my risk tolerance is low, and would test anything a lot 1st.
Yeah you could use fun money to test, but if you had a 'cannot lose' system?  ...nah.

[maestro]

Ok maestro so your avg ins and outs total £1000, per year. Are you playing with me?

Are you betting £0.10 units or something? Because even at £1 units your results arent anywhere near statistically relevant. Your loss over 300,000 spins on mpr are. Is that why you dont like mpr?

A few random bets per year is all your screenshot could show. You arent winning anything significant or your account wouldnt even last years. Really, carefully consider what you call proof.

again you do not use your brain...for a year means 300 something days if i remember....so average.... average <amount in> and< average amount out>...

math you know...

[maestro]

At Simulator site -

Players #1-#252 are on the leaderboard in profit
Players #253-#260 are even and
Players #261-622 are in the negative.
That is completely in line with expected.
Anyone remember "38 people go into a casino" thread ?
1/3 win.... a small amount are "break even".... and 2/3 are negative and that
is simply flat betting a single number over and over and over.
So I'm in 4th of 622 - therefore "rigged".
I understand.

too much math Turbo...Steve will get sick of it

[Steve]

Because, as I said before - the leaderboard rankings are only based on profit from play.
It does not include any credits given to you for any other reason.

Again Turbo, I know that. But what about PROFITS MADE FROM THE WINNINGS WITH BONUS MONEY? That's what I'm referring to.

I do understand your points - but they don't apply here.

You understand the casino give you their money to play with changes the house edge, but it doesnt change the house edge?

If I "gave" you a million dollars and someone else 1,000.00 and you both go into the casino. You "could" walk out with 40,000 profit while the other player might walk out with 500.00 profit. So you would rank #1 and to you that isn't fair. But EVERYONE gets the same amount for a bonus - everyone.

No they don't. You get higher bonuses for consecutive day logins. And all it takes is a player to login often, get lucky once, then continue to login every day and play a lot (but not too much), and you're practically guaranteed to rank high. Keep at it and you keep having a very high chance of continued high prizes.

At least you now acknowledge the advantage of having a larger bankroll. But you are still missing a big part.

There's no contradiction here.
I am comfortable with R-Sim and Parx knowing how I play. They could probably care less how or what I'm doing. My play logs are secured enough, I seriously doubt they would ever appear on a forum somewhere.
In the casino - everything is also recorded (from above usually). Surely they could reverse engineer from video what I'm doing, but in that case I also make other bets and I assume that would throw them off enough. Even AP players lose on purpose to not expose what they are doing. I also don't win nearly enough to raise any eyebrows.
But on the internet where I've posted for (how long ??) on multiple forums - why would I give one person complete access to what I'm doing exactly ?
What level of trust is involved regardless of how many times someone might say "I wouldn't spend the time reverse engineering your play log" or "I'm the only one with access to it, surely I wouldn't reveal it anywhere". Sorry, I trust no one to that level.

Ok so now you are saying you trust roulette-simulator admin because they dont know you, whereas you dont trust me because I know you.

If I play there and take first, stay there for as long as I want and build a massive bankroll - you're not going to look at my bets and spins to see how it was done?

First I would check for cheating, as the logs were designed. Then if you had an abnormally high win rate with a statistically significant amount of spins, you would have my attention. I would then check the integrity of the spins you won on. If your streak continued over enough spins, rather than taking time to reverse engineer your system, I would personally ask you if you were interested in sharing your system. I could reverse engineer a system if I wanted, but it would be easier and I would honestly prefer to outright pay for a system if it were the HG. There is no revelation that any online site can duplicate your system. At least i'm not recording videos of your exact sessions like RS is. And you can bet online casinos are much better equipped to reverse engineer your system, but you readily reveal your system to parx, with fun money. When it comes to your results on MPR anyway, you spent a lot of time there.... to lose? If you had no intention to win, then why did you tell me you wanted one serious account and one test account?

Players #1-#252 are on the leaderboard in profit
Players #253-#260 are even and
Players #261-622 are in the negative.
That is completely in line with expected.

You would need to look at the actual totals and add them up.

Not rigged, only a Genius at work!

Logic, math and reason indicates this isn't the case. I would like to give Turbo the benefit of doubt, but there isn't really doubt because of substantiating information I've already explained. For example, an edge at Parx is easily obtained. It is not opinion. Check the math. With RS, the data I checked indicated much the same but someone would need to look into it further. And the only reputable test I know of (MPR) shows a clear loss with Turbo's system.

Take it further and anyone with experience would understand Turbo's approach cannot work. It has all been explained before. I've also explained how anyone can test this. Few people actually understand the reasoning, and how it is confirmed with very simple tests.

[Steve]

Also Turbo, you know from our private conversations the logs were not implemented before someone was suspected of cheating. If I wanted to steal systems, dont you think I would have the log from the start? Or better yet video record sessions like RS does?

This is not about logs, stealing systems etc. All this is about establishing credibility for your claims. And my responses highlight important facts, which explain your results are not credible, and you are misleading people. It is wasting people's time.

Sure it's their time to waste. But there are people actually interested in the truth, and how to verify it for themselves.

[Taotie]

I havent experienced freezes.

Oh it freezes alright.
Next time it happens I'll take a screen shot or two.

[Taotie]

Ha! Well that didn't take long.
First log in and two spins into the session the game froze.
Here are two screenshots, first one when it froze and second one 6 minutes later.
The game will now remain frozen for as long as I stay logged on, unless someone else logs on, which will free it up.

It's now 5:10pm here and the game is still frozen.

[Taotie]

Ok, so I think what's happening is the game sometimes bumps players offline, whether it be one single player or a whole group (I've seen both). Then it goes into idle mode because there are no players logged in. So it's not actually frozen, just idling.

Why it's bumping people off I have no idea. It happens a lot though.

Usually when it happens to a group, one or more people log back on and the game kicks off again. At that point, if you were bumped off and don't log back on you can still play the game normally but without your username being seen.

It's definitely a glitch.

[Steve]

I will set a bot and record video to check. What browser and os do you have?

Exactly what happens in a freeze?

[sugtips]

I will set a bot and record video to check. What browser and os do you have?

Exactly what happens in a freeze?

I am using win7 64bit, mozilla firefox. It freezes randomly and I have to refresh to get it work, even sometimes I am the only player there, it freezes.

also sometimes even without pressing ready tick, it spins next immediately after 1 spin.

thanks for your support.

[nottophammer]

also sometimes even without pressing ready tick, it spins next immediately after 1 spin.

Or the spin completes and the ready is still ticked

[maestro]

this is what Roulette simulator site uses to run random numbers according to the customer dep

it says is fair and no way results are predictable

for sure results are not being hand joined on  the toilet paper from multy tables

[Steve]

Do you always believe what you're told?

[maestro]

their words are just as good as yours.....if your spins are random and theirs is random too but results are diff so must be some shitt somewhere....

[Steve]

Check the combined results of players. It was explained before.