Solve this, solve the HG.

[Roulettebeater]

Roulettebeater, seriously?  Are you just the troll on this site, or just not good at basic math?

If someone is allowed to use a progression, and guaranteed 5 wins in 12 spins on an even bet this WOULD be a guaranteed winner.  Like I said, I would pay a good entry fee to have these odds, since this would be very easy to beat.

I'm just answering a hypothetical question here.  I'm not suggesting a win rate like that exist...just saying it would be easily won

You are troll! and freshy
don't invest time or money in roulette, you will get your nose bloody!

the order of the win in the long term is your main problem in any progression...in long term we are no more interested in only 12 spins!

use your brain!

[Scarface]

Roulettebeater, I'll give you a challenge.  Whatever amount you want to wager.  Loser deposits wager via paypal.

You guarantee me 5 wins out of 12 on an even bet...you pick the order 1 by 1, and I'll adjust my wager each spin.  I bet I will beat this in 12 spins. 

I'll put my money where my mouth is.  Will you?

[Roulettebeater]

Roulettebeater, I'll give you a challenge.  Whatever amount you want to wager.  Loser deposits wager via paypal.

read my previous comment... in long term you will exceed the 12 spins and then the order will kill your progression..

think of it once again, it's not that complicated!

[Roulettebeater]

Mr. supersmart,

you have 5 wins out of 12 spins, lets consider 120 spins.
in 120 spins you ll have 50 wins versus 70 misses.

go on Mr. smart, tell us how can you survive if you encounter 20 consecutive misses in a row...

stop spreading lies and fake hopes

anyway, this tread show the real problem of many freshers..who believe in fallacy and think they can beat the game with math... no way, forget it..take it out your head!
this game is made with mathematical edge against you... you can beat it only with precise predictions.

[daveylibra]

Guys, I know we can't guarantee 5 from 12, it's just a "What If?" question.
What I mean is, is there a progression similar to a labby that would work for lesser ratios than a 1:3 win rate?

[Scarface]

Roulettebeater, I responded to the hypothetical situation if 5 wins out of 12 were guaranteed, could it be beat...and the answer is yes.  Why do attack someone so quickly, because obviously I was correct based on this hypothetical situation.   I've been playing this game for 20+ years, and I would love it if the casino would offer this guarantee...of course they wouldn't, because they would go broke.

I would even love to have the guarantee of 50 out of 120...I'm sure I could beat this too.  But I know those guarantees dont exist in the real world.  But just because you couldn't work out the math in these scenarios, dont believe that it can't be beat

[Scarface]

Guys, I know we can't guarantee 5 from 12, it's just a "What If?" question.
What I mean is, is there a progression similar to a labby that would work for lesser ratios than a 1:3 win rate?

Davey, it really all depends on when the hits take place.  The probability will change after each hit.

Say you start out with the 5-12 ratio.  You flatbet until your first hit...say it's on the 3rd spin.  So, after 3 spins with 1 hit now your ratio changes to 4 to 9.  Let's say it takes another 3 spins for your next hit...now the remaining ratio is 3 to 6.  You would just need to adjust your bet each time based on the ratio to recover previous losses

12 spins would be easy to figure out.  Supposedly, worse case scenario for even bet over 200 spins is 65 to 200.  This would be alot more difficult to calculate.  Would also be a holy grail in my opinion, if a bet progression could be found to beat this no matter where the wins or losses fell

[Taotie]

Without going into ideas on progression if you could guarantee 5 EC wins from any 12 spins then the best or safest approach would be to reset the 12 spin session on a rolling basis every time you went +1, or recovered from a loss to break even.

[Taotie]

Now write down every combination of 5 wins 7 losses over 12 spins and test some progressions.

You will find there is a way to go +1 or recover to break even for every single permutation.

That's probably the easy part.... now how you gonna guarantee 5 wins every 12 spins?

[Bigbroben]

Now write down every combination of 5 wins 7 losses over 12 spins and test some progressions.

You will find there is a way to go +1 or recover to break even for every single permutation.

That's probably the easy part.... now how you gonna guarantee 5 wins every 12 spins?

Did you mean there is one single way to decide/bet that applies to every possible outcome, or did you mean there are 100 that belong to another 100 single outcome?

Can there be a question that is applied to every spin, no matter what outcome, and a decision according to outcome?

How many possibilities are there anyways?  2^12 or 2^7 or 2^5?

Anyways, depending on how ''as low as possible'' you wanna stay, an absolute maximal continuous loss ( if garanteed 5/12 wins) is 7.  So martingale with maximal 2^(7-1)u or 64u provides +5u after 12 spins.

Now, is it really 5/12 or is it an average?

[Taotie]

Martingale?
Yes I suppose that will work if the 5/7 is guaranteed, but there will be occasions when a 128 unit bet is required, and most real world casino tables do not cover a spread of 1-128. And who really wants to ever be in the position of outlaying 255 units to win 1 unit?

[Roulettebeater]

Roulettebeater, I responded to the hypothetical situation if 5 wins out of 12 were guaranteed, could it be beat...and the answer is yes.  Why do attack someone so quickly, because obviously I was correct based on this hypothetical situation.   I've been playing this game for 20+ years, and I would love it if the casino would offer this guarantee...of course they wouldn't, because they would go broke.

I would even love to have the guarantee of 50 out of 120...I'm sure I could beat this too.  But I know those guarantees dont exist in the real world.  But just because you couldn't work out the math in these scenarios, dont believe that it can't be beat

One word more and you are squeezed!

Shake it well !

[vladir]

You would need a dynamic progression. I mean, the progression must change or be recalculated, depending on how many hits you already have, you current drawdown and how many hits/spins remain. A formula is possible, I have done something like it in the past.

The real problem is to have a guarantee of 5 in 12.

[Roulettebeater]

You would need a dynamic progression. I mean, the progression must change or be recalculated, depending on how many hits you already have, you current drawdown and how many hits/spins remain. A formula is possible, I have done something like it in the past.

The real problem is to have a guarantee of 5 in 12.

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These are 12 spins, can you show us your magic progression ?

[Scarface]

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These are 12 spins, can you show us your magic progression ?

Easy.  Flatbet 1 unit.  After the first 7 spins you're down -7 units.  Now, you know you're guaranteed 5 wins in the next 5 spins....bet the maximum amount of money you have!