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Mako

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Ben and Notto, very nice work...both of you are demonstrating the first piece of the process and "why" it works...that the last 8 unique numbers that have hit moving forward within a 37-spin cycle are to be played, adding and removing them with each spin as the train rolls.

You're both showing it in two different ways, with both pointing to the same overall conclusion.

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Mako i taken this papersheet to B+M to watch for GUT crossings as well as watching KTF.
Theres 2 sides 1st side shows the hits 2nd side is laid out in columns so can know what to lay, as they wont have laptop at casino, well not when i've tried, but using this GUT paper tracker no problem from staff

Even see Winkels reference points at 13,25,37 in red
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Ben and Notto, very nice work...both of you are demonstrating the first piece of the process and "why" it works...that the last 8 unique numbers that have hit moving forward within a 37-spin cycle are to be played, adding and removing them with each spin as the train rolls.

You're both showing it in two different ways, with both pointing to the same overall conclusion.

This rolling 8 has been tested hard...it does show how when u test that wins and losses balances in that scenario overall...
Notty s method is completely different he has entry points ..nice to see the thread revived

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This rolling 8 has been tested hard...it does show how when u test that wins and losses balances in that scenario overall...
Notty s method is completely different he has entry points ..nice to see the thread revived

But is there dependence?
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most systems based on 37 seem to cut off and choose a number for the starting point.

in spin 1-37 there would be a cycle  between Repeaters 12.33, Singles 12.33 & No hit 12.33.

What I think about the wheel though is that there is no starting point.  spin 1-37, spin 2 is the spin 1 of the connecting 1-37... sorry if this is vague.

Think of the wheel as divided in 3 partitions as above. like hands on a clock. each time the ball lands turn the corresponding forward or backward.

This is how we see balance. when we see a section has more numbers than the other parts. then we can take that opportunity to bet. that the wheel will return to balance. As proven by numerous charts and systems posted here.

When and how to bet? still getting there. Ideas welcome

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This rolling 8 has been tested hard...it does show how when u test that wins and losses balances in that scenario overall...
Notty s method is completely different he has entry points ..nice to see the thread revived

Thanks 6-S, I've been meaning to fool around with Ayk's Rolling Tracker, good time for it.

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This rolling 8 has been tested hard...it does show how when u test that wins and losses balances in that scenario overall...

Explain!

Are you saying playing last 8 numbers will get you a break-even game overall?  Why would 8nrs be different (magic)?  Not being devil's advocate, just trying to get it...
Constantly playing 8 nrs or wating for a trigger, or playing 7 after a hit, like Vaddi explained?
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what i,m saying is if you continue on the rolling basis continiously the end results ie hits against losses balance out near enough with no breaks and stops overtime...
you need one hit to break even on spin 8...if you miss that you will pick up later on with extra hits in short spaces ..the end result wil be like anyother bet..
take turbos repeaters..fill up ayks tracker to the top..count how many repeats are total in the overall game..not 37 spins but overall on the filled tracker..you will aslo notice that the repeats acts as a dozen
ratio..in the overall game..its just something i,ve noticed on most ideas that you let run in a large amount of numbers..seems everything has its cycle in whichever way you look at...the 8 is not a magic point..its a breakeven point..
so i would hazard to say everything has cycles...

your not a devils advocate bigrobin..
i just haven,t explained what ive come up with in regards to explanation...right or wrong this is my take on it

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Guys try this, you can all interpret in your own way :

8 x 3 = 24

Bet opposite.

Don't be so naive.

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Mako

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what i,m saying is if you continue on the rolling basis continiously the end results ie hits against losses balance out near enough with no breaks and stops overtime...
you need one hit to break even on spin 8...if you miss that you will pick up later on with extra hits in short spaces ..the end result wil be like anyother bet..
take turbos repeaters..fill up ayks tracker to the top..count how many repeats are total in the overall game..not 37 spins but overall on the filled tracker..you will aslo notice that the repeats acts as a dozen
ratio..in the overall game..its just something i,ve noticed on most ideas that you let run in a large amount of numbers..seems everything has its cycle in whichever way you look at...the 8 is not a magic point..its a breakeven point..
so i would hazard to say everything has cycles...

your not a devils advocate bigrobin..
i just haven,t explained what ive come up with in regards to explanation...right or wrong this is my take on it

Thanks 6-S, it's starting to come together...this is somewhat similar to what Nimo is discussing in that other thread, but instead of 8 he's running a 37-car long train and on a rolling basis.

It's clear that this core principal, betting numbers to repeat, or not, within a given span of spins, can be made reliable.  I just don't know how to get it reliable enough for a flat bet as David does.

Jun I know you use a progression for your play, I think you have 6 steps but have never gone past 3 or 4.  That I could see working with the increased amount of numbers you play, makes sense.

Guys try this, you can all interpret in your own way :

8 x 3 = 24

Bet opposite.

And are you saying here that we use LOTT to determine whether we go after either repeats or singles based on whether the count is, ahead or behind, as it applies to the last 8-12 numbers that have come up?

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No mako, I do not play progressions.

 I have only a progression for my dozens and columns system (near HG) 99.5% winrate.

As for my take on David's it's all flatbetting.

8 x 3 = 24

Look at top 8 of marquee. Bet opposite. Can't make it anymore obvious.

Balance will always come, it's a law. You can approach this with progression for quicker recovery/profit.

Don't be so naive.

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Also important is that you don't know when the Uniques come or the Doubles, that's why you need to incorporate splitting and pairing while riding the train. That's how catch them all.
Don't be so naive.

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8 x 3 = 24
Look at top 8 of marquee. Bet opposite.

Define opposite?
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Mako asked me to contribute to this thread so here goes:

I've noticed two things that work:

1.) It's a good idea (and a friend told me *as well as Steve* and turns
out he was right) to include the last decision outcome among your bet.

2.) each bet per spin should be different, but include 1.)
Example: #23-Bet second dozen---#2-Bet first dozen

*not that you should bet dozens per se.  It could work with wheel-sectors
(Steve told me this years ago *2.)* at RouletteForum.Net)

Euro wheel: 30,8,23,10,5,24---#3--Bet 12,35,3,26,0,32

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Thanks proof, makes sense actually.

 

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