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#### Person S

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
Thank you 6- sense, a very interesting message, I had a question - we start betting starting with the numbers we need to use, and what if there is only 1 number, are we waiting for a few more dropouts or are we connecting them in the process?
Zero ignore, it is not not in one of the groups?
Is any progression used ...

#### 6th-sense

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
Thank you 6- sense, a very interesting message, I had a question - we start betting starting with the numbers we need to use, and what if there is only 1 number, are we waiting for a few more dropouts or are we connecting them in the process?
Zero ignore, it is not not in one of the groups?
Is any progression used ...

I didn’t say it was a bet..bigroben asked for anything else for stats so just wanted to show this as an example of interest..and is what a basic cycle in a spin frame looks like ..

You will never get 37 unique spins out it’s impossible

So this is one example of what’s happening

Just thought it might stir a bit of interest towards everyone to think what’s going on ..sort of step back and think of the basics in front of you

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
I didn’t say it was a bet..bigroben asked for anything else for stats so just wanted to show this as an example of interest..and is what a basic cycle in a spin frame looks like ..

You will never get 37 unique spins out it’s impossible

So this is one example of what’s happening

Just thought it might stir a bit of interest towards everyone to think what’s going on ..sort of step back and think of the basics in front of you

I wonder what the highest amount of uniques is? I have seen 26 in a row (true story) but what can be the highest in 37 spins if 37 is impossible..

#### Herby

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
I wonder what the highest amount of uniques is? I have seen 26 in a row (true story) but what can be the highest in 37 spins if 37 is impossible..

Its not really impossible but the probability for this event is very very small.
simulation 10.000.000 trials:
{{1, 270381}, {2, 525423}, {3, 747825}, {4, 915471}, {5, 1019835}, {6,
1056756}, {7, 1033931}, {8, 958090}, {9, 843986}, {10,
710517}, {11, 569474}, {12, 437276}, {13, 319697}, {14,
223657}, {15, 148815}, {16, 94892}, {17, 56760}, {18, 32723}, {19,
17664}, {20, 9092}, {21, 4382}, {22, 1980}, {23, 840}, {24,
355}, {25, 122}, {26, 40}, {27, 12}, {28, 4}}

this means 4 times I got longest uniques length 28

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
Its not really impossible but the probability for this event is very very small.
simulation 10.000.000 trials:
{{1, 270381}, {2, 525423}, {3, 747825}, {4, 915471}, {5, 1019835}, {6,
1056756}, {7, 1033931}, {8, 958090}, {9, 843986}, {10,
710517}, {11, 569474}, {12, 437276}, {13, 319697}, {14,
223657}, {15, 148815}, {16, 94892}, {17, 56760}, {18, 32723}, {19,
17664}, {20, 9092}, {21, 4382}, {22, 1980}, {23, 840}, {24,
355}, {25, 122}, {26, 40}, {27, 12}, {28, 4}}

this means 4 times I got longest uniques length 28

Well? Not really? I played the nottogame, now (simulated) --Play the last 10, this this time , non -stop, (with a *27 step*-progression) This was supposted to be the "Grail-progression"(?) But as you see in this chart,it's not a "grail"?  it busted At least *3* times during a 5000-spin trial? (random spins) (?)
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##### Re: 37 back to basics
Test 2. Now played with a *29-step progression*....As you can see it busted *2* times in less than 3000 spins...
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##### Re: 37 back to basics
Its not really impossible but the probability for this event is very very small.
simulation 10.000.000 trials:
{{1, 270381}, {2, 525423}, {3, 747825}, {4, 915471}, {5, 1019835}, {6,
1056756}, {7, 1033931}, {8, 958090}, {9, 843986}, {10,
710517}, {11, 569474}, {12, 437276}, {13, 319697}, {14,
223657}, {15, 148815}, {16, 94892}, {17, 56760}, {18, 32723}, {19,
17664}, {20, 9092}, {21, 4382}, {22, 1980}, {23, 840}, {24,
355}, {25, 122}, {26, 40}, {27, 12}, {28, 4}}

this means 4 times I got longest uniques length 28

Nice test ...at the end of the 37 cycle ..unhit will always match repeats..Iggy ur doing a ten number test am I right?

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Nice test ...at the end of the 37 cycle ..unhit will always match repeats..Iggy ur doing a ten number test am I right?

yes, nottogame, 10 numbers bet,...
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##### Re: 37 back to basics

Ignatus you sure you understand the method
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#### ignatus

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Ignatus you sure you understand the method

Yes notto ofc, now you play(?) (Bet every number that comes, up to 10 numbers, then stop) with the 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3  or (4) at the end, then STOP/Restart (also stop/restart at any hit..) yes..

I played this (same) way, but with Now a *31 step progression*...And, as you can see in the chart, it busted at spin 44 000- something..,
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##### Re: 37 back to basics
Well? Not really?

Mathematica Code, you could run it on a Raspberry Pi (cheapest computer, about 40 \$)

Code: [Select]
``Fun[] := Module[{}, n = 1;  th = RandomInteger[36, 37];  While[Length[Union[Take[th, n]]] == n, n++];  n - 1]erg = Table[Fun[], 10000000];Tally[Sort[erg]]``

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
Mathematica Code, you could run it on a Raspberry Pi (cheapest computer, about 40 \$, software free)

Code: [Select]
``Fun[] := Module[{}, n = 1;  th = RandomInteger[36, 37];  While[Length[Union[Take[th, n]]] == n, n++];  n - 1]erg = Table[Fun[], 10000000];Tally[Sort[erg]]``

#### Herby

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
(Bet every number that comes, up to 10 numbers, then stop) with the 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3  or (4) at the end, then STOP/Restart (also stop/restart at any hit..)
If I understand it right you bet a window of 10 numbers.
You should get better results when you start to bet with 3. spin according to the theoretical values:
https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17018.msg156596#msg156596

The area unter the graph gives you the probability to hit.

#### ignatus

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
If I understand it right you bet a window of 10 numbers.
You should get better results when you start to bet with 3. spin according to the theoretical values:
https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17018.msg156596#msg156596

The area unter the graph gives you the probability to hit.

ok nice Thx
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#### Person S

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##### Re: 37 back to basics
6- Is this close to what you are talking about?
https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19055.0
Interesting things happen with groups, but pity I don’t own Excel, to test a lot, repetitions repeat each other, that's what I saw  But I wonder if our hunt is only to catch a replay or is it a safari?

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