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The psychology of a systems player?

Started by precogmiles, Oct 14, 05:03 PM 2018

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luckyfella

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 15, 08:57 PM 2018
selling something that worked on roulette just doesnt make sense....more touble than it is worth

said person could just go win, win and win

the book sellers really get me to laugh...system so good they write a book  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You will be surprise how desperate people in dire straits are

Hate their jobs, quick fix for their mounting debts, get rich quick

Those are the victims, the target audience
Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

luckyfella

Question for Caleb and Steve

According to precog, it's statistically impossible to beat roulette over a large number of spins

Both of you have clearly stated that it's impossible for systems players to win itlr

So, IF a systems player who does not even look at the wheel at all, does not care what happens to the dealer and wheel

Wins millions playing his stupid voodooish system at table max, you as pitboss shall allow him to keep playing to his hearts content ?

That stupid systems fool will eventually lose back everything plus millions of his own, isn't that true ?

Note : IF
Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

Steve

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 09:34 PM 2018You will be surprise how desperate people in dire straits are

Obviously desperate people contact me all the time, and people with gambling problems. I don't work with them. Also don't work with players with very poor English. I often warn people if they are in desperate need of money, they shouldnt even be looking at casinos. They'll probably rush, make mistakes and lose.

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 10:27 PM 2018According to precog, it's statistically impossible to beat roulette over a large number of spins

The statement is not worded well. I assume you mean it's difficult to test over a large number of spins.

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 10:27 PM 2018Both of you have clearly stated that it's impossible for systems players to win itlr

I havent said that. I'm only saying that, without extreme luck, they're not likely to win in the long-term with an approach that doesnt change the accuracy of predictions to be high enough to overcome unfair payouts. Like repeaters for example...

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 10:27 PM 2018So, IF a systems player who does not even look at the wheel at all, does not care what happens to the dealer and wheel

Then they're neglecting the most important variables that determine spin outcomes. Still it is possible to win with a method that works. It just not wise to ignore important variables unless you were to use another approach which increases accuracy of predictions.

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 10:27 PM 2018Wins millions playing his stupid voodooish system at table max, you as pitboss shall allow him to keep playing to his hearts content ?

At some point, no matter how you win, the casino wont tolerate a consistent winner.

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 10:27 PM 2018That stupid systems fool will eventually lose back everything plus millions of his own, isn't that true ?

If a player won lots, first the casino will probably give them a few free drinks to keep them occupied while surveillance checks footage.

If cheating is not suspected, and it appears the player won from luck, they'll pay out winnings AND offer the player a free room or whatever to encourage them to keep playing and LOSE their winnings.

If AP is suspected but without cheating, they'll pay the player and put them on the Griffin database, so they and other casinos can better track and deal with them, before they do more damage. The casino wont be interested in giving you perks to encourage further play.

If cheating is suspected, they'll try to prove it by calling the police, who are the only ones able to legally detain and search a player. And if they find cheating appears to have taken place, they'll refuse payout.
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luckyfella

Quote from: Steve on Oct 15, 10:43 PM 2018
If a player won lots, first the casino will probably give them a few free drinks to keep them occupied while surveillance checks footage.

If cheating is not suspected, and it appears the player won from luck, they'll pay out winnings AND offer the player a free room or whatever to encourage them to keep playing and LOSE their winnings.
Lets assume no cheating, no AP, no physics, no precog

Just plain old stupid voodoo systems play
Win by luck, you say

Keeps on winning at table max

You allow this lucky systems player to keep playing ?

Note : casino has house edge

That's my question

Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

luckyfella

Quote from: Steve on Oct 15, 10:43 PM 2018
.....unless you were to use another approach which increases accuracy of predictions.
Ofc that's the case

Isn't that obvious to you ?
Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

Steve

No. At some point, they'll do whatever they must to stop you.

I'll give one example. A casino couldnt figure out how one team kept winning. It was just bias, but the team disguised bets very well with team play. The casino tried lots of different things to make them lose but it had no effect because they were poorly trained and didn't know how they kept winning.

Eventually the casino banned them. It resulted in a court case which the player won, but by then the casino figured it out.

The are also cases where system players were banned for winning too much but they are very rare.
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Steve

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 11:03 PM 2018
Ofc that's the case

Isn't that obvious to you ?

Yes it's obvious. You're referring to systems in general. When i say losing systems, I'm referring specifically to proven ineffective approaches.
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Steve

Put it this way... if someone came into your house and kept crapping on your carpet, would you allow it to continue?

If you win with ap style play, the casino will react much more quickly than if your play looked like a typical system. Why do you think that is?
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luckyfella

If you take casino money consistently, you are not welcome

Does not matter if it's AP, RC, precog, systems

If players are smart, which they usually are, they can keep doing it for a very long time, anywhere they wish with the casinos lavishing them with perks :thumbsup:
Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

Steve

Generally anyone beating casinos is not interested in free drinks and perks. Free drinks are more for slots players so they keep pumping in coins.
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luckyfella

Quote from: Steve on Oct 15, 11:31 PM 2018
Generally anyone beating casinos is not interested in free drinks and perks. Free drinks are more for slots players so they keep pumping in coins.
This I agree :thumbsup:

We must act like what any normal patron do, just another loser
Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

Steve

Quote from: luckyfella on Oct 15, 11:37 PM 2018
We must act like what any normal patron do, just another loser

You got it. Look all sad and depressed because of the money you've lost, and look around for budget hookers because you have to pay for sex. Between losing sessions, check forum messages on your phone, and criticize anyone possible to look like you're trying to make yourself feel superior.
Basically, look like Ken (mr J)   :thumbsup:
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-Katalyst-

@PrecogMiles - Your post is sighted towards majority of Sys players that you see on here debating the same periodic notions (*though some with merit)

**In reality -  'The psychology of a system player' is vastly different to the psychology of consistent winning system player (*as in any field - as an example - There are athletes and then there are athletes that get paid to be athletes ....similar player - diff belief - diff results)

- the consistent winning system  players are very much different in their approach - this comes with getting runs on the board, building acumen and knowing that it is possible
**documented throughout history - only when majority begin to start 'knowing' then it will become norm 
**As with precog - when majority become still n aware and then start ‘knowing’  - then it will become the norm

Not really interested in the cyclic debates with any of the AP/VB posters either - just sharing my take on it

Best Wishes
  :thumbsup:
-there is no off switch for the genius button -

“envy is ignorance, imitation is suicide”

precogmiles

Quote from: -Katalyst- on Oct 16, 10:52 AM 2018
@PrecogMiles - Your post is sighted towards majority of Sys players that you see on here debating the same periodic notions (*though some with merit)

**In reality -  'The psychology of a system player' is vastly different to the psychology of consistent winning system player (*as in any field - as an example - There are athletes and then there are athletes that get paid to be athletes ....similar player - diff belief - diff results)

- the consistent winning system  players are very much different in their approach - this comes with getting runs on the board, building acumen and knowing that it is possible
**documented throughout history - only when majority begin to start 'knowing' then it will become norm 
**As with precog - when majority become still n aware and then start ‘knowing’  - then it will become the norm

Not really interested in the cyclic debates with any of the AP/VB posters either - just sharing my take on it

Best Wishes
  :thumbsup:

Great reply. I agree. There seems to be too many systems players repeating the same old topics. Don't they realise how crazy it sounds? ::shrug::

precogmiles

I've been observing the forum for a while and it really does seem like ground hog day in here. I still don't understand why the system players keep on insisting there is a math based approach to beating roulette.

Repeaters again
369 system
Watching dozens

Even Ignatius makes it clear his systems are not HGs.

All systems are useless against random.

Is it really that complex to understand the only way to beat this game is to improve accuracy?

It is very bizarre.




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