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#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 05:49 AM 2019
Random has no limits. Thats why it's random!

37 different numbers appearing in 37 spins is 36!/37^36 or one chance in 1.3xE-15. It's a small chance but it can happen and will happen given enough play. It could happen in your column tomorrow and again the next day.

Probably won't happen, but there enough chances of other random things happening to defeat in the long run (for example) a strategy of waiting for 24 numbers and playing for repeats.

I could prove for you in three lines that 1=2, but not without dividing by zero ie I'd have to break a rule.

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 05:51 AM 2019
This is "Doing Calculations"  , of course based on the rules of Math

The world is open to interpretion by Maths.

Since when did 1+1= it depends?

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 05:53 AM 2019
No wonder the world is like it is. When all reason is.. gone.

#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 06:07 AM 2019
No wonder the world is like it is. When all reason is.. gone.

It's always been like that though. There's never been enough reason to go round.

If you dress up a proposition in a fancy enough way, there will always be people willing to fall for it.  Gaming systems on fixed odds low payout games are like religion. You have to suspend reason and just believe.

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 06:28 AM 2019
Belief based on what??

#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 06:56 AM 2019
Belief isn't based on anything that can be justified by reason. When it comes to religion they call it faith

#### 6th-sense

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 07:15 AM 2019
Random has no limits. Thats why it's random!

37 different numbers appearing in 37 spins is 36!/37^36 or one chance in 1.3xE-15. It's a small chance but it can happen and will happen given enough play. It could happen in your column tomorrow and again the next day.

Probably won't happen, but there enough chances of other random things happening to defeat in the long run (for example) a strategy of waiting for 24 numbers and playing for repeats.

I could prove for you in three lines that 1=2, but not without dividing by zero ie I'd have to break a rule.

It will never happen 37 numbers out the mechanics of roulette will never let it happen you will have the at least in the most impossible event 1 unhit and 1 repeat at the end of a cycle

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 07:28 AM 2019
37 different numbers appearing in 37 spins is 36!/37^36 or one chance in 1.3xE-15.

The calculation is correct.

#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 07:45 AM 2019
Yes should be 1 chance in 1.3 x E 15 or probability 1.3 x E-15 I meant to say, but it is a finite small chance.

Add to that all the other chances of just 1 number repeating or just  2 numbers repeating or just 3 numbers repeating etc and you have why waiting for 24 numbers and betting on repeats doesn't work.

#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 07:51 AM 2019
It will never happen 37 numbers out the mechanics of roulette will never let it happen you will have the at least in the most impossible event 1 unhit and 1 repeat at the end of a cycle

Of course the mechanics of roulette will let it happen. It's just a wheel selecting numbers. It has no intent, no brain, and no memory.

Are you telling me that you can throw a die and you will never get the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6 in six throws?

It is just the same with a 37 sided die except statistically less likely, the more numbers you add, the smaller the chance.

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 07:56 AM 2019
This is not a betselection, just example....
Take a sequence of 14 spins,  14 different
splits or 14 diff numbers then give them pair. Now put them into groups/ order
12341234123412, we have here only positions 4, 8, 12(between same group of no). Still missing 4 splits, even if they hit
and i put them in same order, at some point groups will change the position, because  random is .....random can t stay to much in order. Nothing is independent
here anymore, because the numbers belong to a group and  an order.
So i say random have limits.

#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 09:53 AM 2019
Random means that on the next  spin any number from 0 to 36 has an equal chance of appearing, that's all it means.

It doesn't matter if the previous 5 spins number 32 has appeared. If the wheel is fair and random,  the chance 32 will appear the next spin is still 1 in 37, the odds have not altered. The number 32 can appear for the rest of eternity on that wheel, or it can appear never again. These are both possible events, but at the same time unlikely.

That is why people are struggling with the fallacy, and trying to predict what will happen from what has happened... and losing. Triggers, repeaters, sleepers, the law of the third and the rest are all garbage on a random wheel. All that matters is the next spin, and that is not affected by the previous spins, on a fair random wheel.

When 32 has occured 5 times in a row, you're confusing the probability that it will appear on the next spin with the probability that it will occur 6 times in a row.

#### 6th-sense

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 10:59 AM 2019
That’s an argument that can go on forever and I understand your position on the subject..
No disrespect to you Firefox or others with this argument but with this line of thought why bother joining a roulette forum when this is the answer all along ..there’s so much going for this argument you gave ..

#### Herby

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 11:00 AM 2019
garbage on a random wheel
If you find garbage on a wheel it should be cleaned.

the law of the thirdl

The so called law of the third is just 1/e   e... Eulers number.
I'm sure nobody of the fallacy criers knows how this is connected.

( Euler was a famous Mathematician)

#### 6th-sense

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 11, 11:05 AM 2019
If you find garbage on a wheel it should be cleaned.

The so called law of the third is just 1/e   e... Eulers number.
I'm sure nobody of the fallacy criers knows how this is connected.

( Euler was a famous Mathematician)

That must of been Dr Sir anyone’s friend who made the law of the third up ..

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