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Re: When to Start
Sep 22, 07:27 PM 2021
Mel I was talking about understanding the basic principle and why it works and what I see as a problem regarding roulette outcomes. I could create a template that wins 100% of the time using the pigeonhole principle way before all options would be drawn. However, as soon as we have a possibility of any repeat, that cant work.

Your examples have the possibility of a repeat, hence I cant understand how to apply the pigeonhole principle there? I am focusing on bare basics here.

Ok let’s create a simple pigeonhole method using out the box method.

I attached an imagine…

Notice how in spin 4 we are betting on the same number because both the original numbers and the derived numbers have it but only one spot can be occupied


There are only 6 possible positions to fill but by using both sets some numbers are being picked 2 times to fit into 1 position


I forgot to label it but column C is the derived set

Column B shows the spins

Column E shows the ordering of the number after each outcome

Yellow highlight is ending and beginning of a cycle

This specific game made 14 units

Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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Re: When to Start
Sep 22, 07:56 PM 2021
But it’s not as simple trying to put it together without knowing what to look for

But that way of saying to "look for" is interesting. I get it that you can't spell it out but is there a way to say it with one word? What is that that we are looking for?

Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it?  Bc it seems it is very versatile and can be used in so many different ways and that is why everyone who made it, has a different way of playing.

Now for example the way of playing I mentioned wouldn't be looking for anything... It is just a mechanical way of playing and win is guaranteed bc it has to happen, and you have the same options all the time. (But only if the sequence is unique at all times, so that won't work like that.) But again you wouldn't be looking for anything, you are doing it that way.

On the other hand, let's say playing the previous defining dozen to close the next cycle. That's something I would call "looking for" bc first it has to appear for me to say aha, that is what I am looking for so I will look to bet on that again. Or like looking for a distance to repeat.

But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.

I am sorry I did my best to explain the question and am not sure if it still makes any sense  :)

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Re: When to Start
Sep 22, 08:24 PM 2021
But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.

Or it even doesn't have to have many steps. Let's take playing Martingale on red all the time. You don't have to "look for" anything to do that

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Re: When to Start
Sep 23, 06:37 AM 2021
Hello, again a reply from cht , he can't post here so i do for him.

"Drazen's post is spot on correct. The aim is to apply this fundamental principle in your roulette betting system to gain an edge.

nolikn://nolink.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=28116.msg250930#msg250930

Mel is moving in the wrong direction.
"Parachute" idea to lengthen or shorten the length has nothing to do with PhP.

You perspective of what "stitching" is is wrong. You have to correct your thinking or else you repeat the same mistake every time. This is another of your problems of going down the wrong path repeatedly.

Think in terms of fundamental principle how to apply PhP to solve Drazen's idea.

This is all you have to solve.

Learn how PhP is applied in this link.

nolink://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/11/25/16-fun-applications-of-the-pigeonhole-principle/#:~:text=The%20pigeonhole%20principle%20is%20a%20powerful%20tool%20used%20in%20combinatorial%20math.&text=The%20pigeonhole%20principle%20states%20that,evident%2C%20its%20implications%20are%20astounding.
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The betting system must show net positive using flatbet to show true positive edge."



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Re: When to Start
Sep 23, 06:38 AM 2021
But that way of saying to "look for" is interesting. I get it that you can't spell it out but is there a way to say it with one word? What is that that we are looking for?

Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it?  Bc it seems it is very versatile and can be used in so many different ways and that is why everyone who made it, has a different way of playing.

Now for example the way of playing I mentioned wouldn't be looking for anything... It is just a mechanical way of playing and win is guaranteed bc it has to happen, and you have the same options all the time. (But only if the sequence is unique at all times, so that won't work like that.) But again you wouldn't be looking for anything, you are doing it that way.

On the other hand, let's say playing the previous defining dozen to close the next cycle. That's something I would call "looking for" bc first it has to appear for me to say aha, that is what I am looking for so I will look to bet on that again. Or like looking for a distance to repeat.

But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.

I am sorry I did my best to explain the question and am not sure if it still makes any sense  :)

Cheers

"Hi Drazen, you are the only person on all forums who understand how to apply PhP although your understanding is incomplete.

The problem why you have yet to attain complete understanding is 2 fold,

1. Your instinct created fear in you to step towards the direction where the solution lie ahead.

Why does this happen to you?

Because you have been indoctrinated with the wrong interpretation of PhP by the many misleading posts on forums. You fear contradicting those wrong interpretation therefore you accommodate. This held you back.

Detox yourself from misleading interpretation. Accept interpretation that is in line with the principle. Remove the rest that's wrong and unconnected to the principle.

Important - remember not to detour from your current path. Every other path posted on forum is incorrect.

2. Although your instinctive understanding is correct you still have to expand your understanding how to apply PhP in roulette permutation. Read the link I posted.

Good luck."

FROM CHT

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Re: When to Start
Sep 23, 06:39 AM 2021
But that way of saying to "look for" is interesting. I get it that you can't spell it out but is there a way to say it with one word? What is that that we are looking for?

Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it?  Bc it seems it is very versatile and can be used in so many different ways and that is why everyone who made it, has a different way of playing.

Now for example the way of playing I mentioned wouldn't be looking for anything... It is just a mechanical way of playing and win is guaranteed bc it has to happen, and you have the same options all the time. (But only if the sequence is unique at all times, so that won't work like that.) But again you wouldn't be looking for anything, you are doing it that way.

On the other hand, let's say playing the previous defining dozen to close the next cycle. That's something I would call "looking for" bc first it has to appear for me to say aha, that is what I am looking for so I will look to bet on that again. Or like looking for a distance to repeat.

But if the way of playing has many different steps, that is not what you can "look for". There is nothing to "find" there.

I am sorry I did my best to explain the question and am not sure if it still makes any sense  :)

Cheers

""Is it like a statistical constant that drives everything, but it hasn't been mentioned and we have to find it?"

HI Drazen,

This constant is denoted by X in the equation I posted on the other thread.

Yes you have to figure it out from the perspective of PhP. PhP help guide you to this next principle."

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Re: When to Start
Sep 23, 06:49 AM 2021
I’m loving the exchange here but still wondering about the initial question.  Can we start spins at different times with the same set of spins to create different derived numbers?

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Re: When to Start
Sep 23, 07:15 AM 2021
Based on the odds you will have more UR or RU then UU or RR. 

For those wondering, if this is:
RR
BB
RB
BR

They are equally likely to happen.

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Re: When to Start
Sep 24, 12:22 PM 2021
are they ..
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Re: When to Start
Sep 25, 12:11 PM 2021
I’m loving the exchange here but still wondering about the initial question.  Can we start spins at different times with the same set of spins to create different derived numbers?

To follow up on this, if you are able to answer this question, what would you do with this information?  Would that offer any additional opportunities?  I'm not entirely sure but intend on finding out.

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Re: When to Start
Sep 25, 02:05 PM 2021
To follow up on this, if you are able to answer this question, what would you do with this information?  Would that offer any additional opportunities?  I'm not entirely sure but intend on finding out.

Game 1
Spin 1
Spin 2
Spin 3
Spin 4
Spin 5
Spin 6

Game 2
Spin 1
Spin 3
Spin 5

Game 3
Spin 2
Spin 4
Spin 6

You can use the same set of numbers and each will give you different derived numbers
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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Re: When to Start
Sep 26, 09:00 AM 2021
Thanks.

What about another way of viewing things.

Is “apple” “banana” “cherry” the same set as “cherry” “apple” “banana”?


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Re: When to Start
Sep 26, 11:43 AM 2021
Thanks.

What about another way of viewing things.

Is “apple” “banana” “cherry” the same set as “cherry” “apple” “banana”?

Depends what you mean by same set… but yes they are the same sequence

Fruit 1 , Fruit 2, Fruit 3

Each fruit is unique so you can even do banana, cherry, apple and it’s the same nothing changes  :thumbsup:
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Re: When to Start
Oct 05, 04:08 PM 2021
Hi, guys  :D
I don't have TheHolyGrail.

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Re: When to Start
Oct 05, 04:17 PM 2021
Hi there!