Beating roulette with math..

[Fripper]

A lot of trouble for nothing

I agree with Bayes

"You have to be adaptable. If you get more wins at the beginning of the session you can just shift the 200 spin "window" forward and set aside your wins"

We always set a goal of how many blacks/reds that are the minimum we need to have and then set our progression out of that.

[Fripper]

Hi there everyone!

I've just completed the horror session from bayes, see attached file.

I did bet even if someone wonders.

I got +4 in 71 spins
Highest bet was 54 units.
Lowest point was -147.
I played until the "labby" with 9 zeroes and a one ended.

After 71 spins we had this:
49 odd
20 even

Yes, I did bet on red in the session, why? I will come to that later.

That was one hell of a start Bayes! Like 20 evens in a row or so.. But with the method I play it doesn't matter, I'm avoiding these longer series 

I will explain how I play in a later post.

Here is also an attached excel file there you can see how I did bet.

Cheers

[superman]

I will explain how I play in a later post

Looking forward to it Fripper.

[Twisteruk]

Nice one Fripper !

Look forward to ure updates  

[Fripper]

Hi guys.

I have to say again, read this three threads and read Belgians posts:
link:://rouletteforum.x/index.php/topic,9.0.html
link:://rouletteforum.x/index.php/topic,8.0.html
link:://:.x/2010/06/labouchere-progression-in-depth.html

I will try to explain here how I play the "labby".

A labby is a very powerful progression, you can adjust it in many different ways for your own personal choice.

Here is an example of 9 zero's and a one. This is very useful if you have excel (or similiar) and do it like this while your playing. Just have it under the roulette window or whatever you like.
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Now to the rules that I use:
1 - Choose your preferable EC (Even chance bet) I usually bet on red.

2 -  Always end your labby when you are playing. If you have 9 zero's and a one you shall play until you have no numbers left in the labby.
Now, as a sidenote to this. If you want to do longer sessions (I do) you just play as usual, always reset when you have a new high or break even or until you get 2 losses in a row. When you have 2 losses in a row you start with your labby and continue as usual.

3 - If you win your first bet in a figure, you take away the number to the right and also take away the number to the left in your labby. Also when you win your first bet in a labby you should not bet the next spin, so you end that figure.  But if you win on your second attempt in your figure, you shall start your next figure directly after. (If you only have one 1, you shall not take it away, only take away the zero to the left)

4 - We will always use a mini-marty in every figure. With that I mean that if I start to bet 1 and lose, you should bet 2 next bet.
Another example, if your first bet in the figure is 6 and you lose, your next bet is 12 units.

5 -  "So we have to find away to get rid of these long losing streaks, or at least make them last as short as possible according to the probability. How can we do that?

Answer: by changing the odds of 50:50 into 75:25 or even 87:13.

How can we do that?
Answer: to combine 2 or 3 chances in one figure!

75:25: RB RB BB RR
87:13: RRR RRB RBB BBB BRR BBR BRB RBR

So play 2 decisions (pairs)(75:25) and treat them as one for the Labby but replace by a lost 2 zero's because that is only 1 bet (1:2)"

6 - If you lose 2 spins in a row (one figure) you shall take away 2 zero's from your labby. Say you lost you first to bets, that is 1 and then 2 units.
Your new labby looks like this:
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7 - "If a series of 4 appear I stop betting till the series brakes. Then continue the betting. In this way I don't have any problem with 68% (theoretical appearance % of series of 1,2 and 3) of the charts in terms of losing a bet in the labby. When a series of 4 or longer appears, it means my labby contains 2 more figures. The dangerous chart is therefore the appearance of alternating series of 4 and longer. After occurrence of 2 alternating series of 4, I will transfer half of the figures to another even chance that is the most choppy to divide the risks."

So if you have a total of 28 units in you labby, you transfer half of those (14 units) to another Ec, like high and low. Then you continue play as usual on both your Ec:s. You choose the most choppy one, but this is your personal choice.


8 - "So, you have a lot of possibilities to stay low in the bets during bad streaks, without spreading the labby into more figures needed to stay within the 1:2 ration needed to close the Labby. The way I play with pairs it means you need only 1:3 wins to close it (actually 1:3 plus 1 bet). So for example when you play on Red then you need only in 50 spins 13 Red to close it. That is already very close to the worst expectations in terms of Ecards. (see the figures given by Muck) and without taken into account the many possibilities you have to keep the bets low."

9 - As you maybe have understood you have to divide the losses yourself. Like if you lose 3 units and next bet 6 units. You should add 4,5 to your labby.

10 - Now if your bets get larger you can divide your bets into 3 figures. Like this:
lost 17+34 = 51 units
51/3 = 17 units
Add 17,17,17 to your labby.

But keep in mind that the more figures you have the more wins you need to end the labby.


Belgians Example
example according aggressive version, 9 imaginary zero's and a one (that is what you suggest). we play on Red. For 75:25 we bet on pairs:

start Labby 0,1

R 1 unit win
B no bet (ending first pair) EOS

R 1 unit win
B no bet EOS

R 1 unit win
R no bet EOS

R 1 unit win
R no bet EOS

B 1 unit loss
B 2 unit loss (ending first pair) Labby now: 0,1,1,2

B 2 units loss
B 4 units loss (ending second pair) Labby now: 0,1,1,2,3,3 (4+2=6:2=3)

R 3 unit win Labby now: 1,1,2,3
R no bet (ending third pair)

B 4 unit loss
B 8 units loss (ending fourth pair) Labby now: 1,1,2,3,6,6

R win 7 units Labby now: 1,2,3,6
R no bet (ending fifth pair)

B 7 unit loss
R 14 units win (end of 6th pair) Labby now: 2,3

R 5 unit win
B no bet (ending seventh pair) all figures canceled in the Labby End of session.

Total session: +5 units.

if 9 imaginary zero's are replaced by figures, the next loss bet has to be divided between the figures 9starting from the lowest ones.

My view
As you can see I have quoted a lot from Belgian from roulette30forum. All thanks to him!

This wasn't easy to write and I understand that this isn't easy to understand but it is the same for me.
Pratice, practice and more practice!
That's the way I learned.
Ofcourse I shall try to answer your questions.

I hope that my attached sessions will help you understand better.

One of them can you open with RX and see all details like betting history, graph and statistics and so on..

Hope this helped some to you guys.

When you have learned it you can develop your own strategy, as I said, there are many possibilities left.

I don't think that to many will understand the method in full, but you can try and do some research yourself and play more like you want it.

Cheers

Fripper

[Bayes]

Fripper, how did you get on with the "horror" sequences I uploaded? 

[Fripper]

Fripper, how did you get on with the "horror" sequences I uploaded?  

Look at reply 61 in this thread. That was the hardest you said.

I will try the others out when I have time.



Edit:
"That was one hell of a start Bayes! Like 20 odd in a row or so.. But with the method I play it doesn't matter, I'm avoiding these longer series."

That should be odd, a typing error in the reply 61.

[Bayes]

Yes, I saw reply #61. Nice work to end up in + with a relatively low drawdown and maximum bet. I just wondered whether you had worked through the other sequences. 

[Fripper]

@Bayes
As I saw there was 11 sessions. It was also 200 spins that followed every session. These ones will I ignore if I doesn't need them.

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Session 1
Did bet red.
74 reds, 122 blacks

+1 in 17 spins, ended first labby
+6 in 42 spins, ended second labby
+11 in 83 spins, ended third labby
+13 in 117 spins, ended forth labby
+14 in 143 spins, ended fifth labby
+18 in 179 spins, ended sixth labby

Highest bet was 26 units.
Lowest point -41 units.

Will attach both RX file and excel file for you guys to study.

Cheers

[Bayes]

Thanks, and impressive stuff.  

The program I'm working on will let you search for and play an unlimited number of sequences that meet some criteria which you choose (e.g. less than 14 wins in 50 spins, and this for any group of numbers (not just EC). It will also give stats - e.g. the number of sessions in which that particular scenario occurred, and the longest/shortest gap between occurrences.  I think this will be a very useful tool and should answer a lot of questions which come up on the forums.

[Fripper]

Thanks, and impressive stuff.  

The program I'm working on will let you search for and play an unlimited number of sequences that meet some criteria which you choose (e.g. less than 14 wins in 50 spins, and this for any group of numbers (not just EC). It will also give stats - e.g. the number of sessions in which that particular scenario occurred, and the longest/shortest gap between occurrences.  I think this will be a very useful tool and should answer a lot of questions which come up on the forums.

Thanks

That seems to be a very useful program, not just for me but everyone in the forum.
Keep up the good work.

[aleks06]

Hi guys,

First of all thank you fripper for your work and help, I've been following this thread since the beginning and I read belgian's posts like 100 times but I still don t understand a lot of things and i have few questions for my first post.

1/ In the file "a harder session" u start betting on black and then u stop for betting on High why ? the main idea is you will always find at least 65/135 in 200 spins, isnt it ?

2/ I dont understand how u decide to combine the even chances to keep the bets low.

3/ what bankroll would u suggest to play this belgian said 1500/2000 units. . .

4/ could u give a little sample of how u play the labby on few spins plz

I will have more questions for later but first I m gonna study ur excel files

sry for my very poor english I hope u will understand

cheers

[Blood Angel]

welcome to the forum aleks 

[mr.ore]

Little gift to all of you diligent researchers of even chances - some graphs of what happens there, zero is excluded for good visibility. As you can see - very often after a winning streak there is a losing streak, it is almost(but not always) a rule (winning streak, resistance, losing streak). There is no need to go with your head against a wall. Money management should consider these graphs. Adding zeroes to labby helps to ride out these losing streaks, but you have got to be synchronized with that EC. Just food for thought, nothing more. The progression have ONE big problem - there SHOULD be also positive one in that included, in order to utilize those winning streaks.

[mr.ore]

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