Beating roulette with math..

[GLC]

Here's what I know about The Midas betting method.  I have tested it extensively and even though it is safer than the regular labby, it can also get into a lot of trouble since it's dependent on double and triple hits.  WLWLWLWLLWLLLWLWLWLLWL  This type sequence is instant death since we bet the number furthest left until we win, then we bet the 2 ends added together.

Nevertheless, I decided to test Horror Session #7 with the Midas method.  I made an adjustment since we are trying to limit losses on really negative runs, I started with twenty 1's: 11111111111111111111.

First bet is 1 and keep betting 1 until a win.  Then we bet 2 as long as we win.  As soon as we lose, we go back to betting 1.

Here's a summary of session #7.  Lost -44 units.  Highest bet was 8 units.  I didn't keep accurate count, but my drawdown was less than 50 units.  About half the bets were 1 unit, so not too much more than a flat bet.  Had I flat bet I would have lost -49.

Doesn't look like Midas is good enough to keep up with this multiple zero labby either.

It does look like the Midas could come in a close 2nd though.  It would probably win all but the worst of runs.  A good question would be, "Does it win enough on the good runs to make up for the occasional small loss?"  For those who find the multiple zero labby confusing, you might look at this way of playing the Midas method.  And with a maximum bet of 8 units vs bets in the MZL of over a hundred units at times..Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Just adding more information to the puzzle.

George

Still, we're looking for a bet method that can withstand the worst session we can get.

[aleks06]

Hi aleks06.

Very well done in explaining it. 

About betting "trio's".

I also tested instead of betting the usual with pairs I tested with trio's in session 11.

I got very high bets in the end. The first 150+ spins was no problem, but after that it went hard.
Check it out if you have time.

Keep ideas coming

thanks Fripper I had a good teacher lol 

I did session 11 betting in trio's we have better results with pairs on this one.

How are you doing on betvoyager ? still winning  ?

[Fripper]

Ok, you got the same. It would be nice to know how Belgian plays with "trio's" but he hasn't answered my mail to him yet.

Yes I'm still winning lol.
But, I have to say, there have been many hard sessions. Alot more than when you play at for example RX.
I have had some really difficult sessions which is nearly the same as some of the hard ones we have tested here.
And all this is in about 7000 spins at betvoyager so I don't know.
But, be careful.

I would recommend a bankroll of atleast 1500 units. 2000 would be very nice.

I think I will continue to play with a 2000 unit bank, because of what I have faced so far..

Cheers

[Fripper]

I have been thinking some and we have to use logic when we play.

I previously said that when we split the figures into another EC, we could put some more on the new EC.
I have changed my mind on that.
Our logic tells us that after we have had a long losing streak (or just a hard time) there will be more wins than losses. This is a fact, but as you know we don't know when it will happen.
We can only assume that after long losing streaks there will be winning streaks and so on.

So, the old EC we was betting will get better in time, we just don't know when, but we can expect it.

After the real sessions I have seen that bets can be very large because of we choose the wrong EC etc..
How do we know if the EC we choose won't go on a long losing streak? We don't.

I have been testing like this now a little:
I don't always switch to another EC when I have seen 2 series of 4, if the bets are still low I continue to bet. Maybe until 3 series or 4 series of 4. It depends on the size of the bets at that time.
When I transfer half of the figures to another EC I just let them be there. I don't bet on them.
I continue with my half stack an clear it, after that I take the other half and continue to bet on my usual EC.
So, never switch EC.
The logic is in betting only one EC. Agree?

Some thought about this?

Cheers

[aleks06]

Hi Fripper I like your idea but we would need more time to reach the +1 profit.

what is the size of your bets when you decide to split the figures into another sequence?


actually I've never liked choosing another EC because of this

How do we know if the EC we choose won't go on a long losing streak? We don't.

I will do some tests on session 7,8 & 11

[Fripper]

Hi Fripper I like your idea but we would need more time to reach the +1 profit.

what is the size of your bets when you decide to split the figures into another sequence?


actually I've never liked choosing another EC because of this

I will do some tests on session 7,8 & 11

Yes, more time may be needed but it will be safer and keep the bets lower.
For me, that's ok.

I haven't decided yet, testing is needed on that one.

Ok, I will also test some of the sessions again.

[GLC]

Guys,

I was thinking about how to keep bets smaller and I thought about setting a maximum bet size on the 1st e.c.  If we lose a bet and the amount lost is over our max bet size, we immediately move it over to a second e.c..  Maybe we have to say 12 units is our max on first e.c. and when we lose a 12 or more unit bet, we break it down into 1,1,2,2,3,3, and maybe even add some zero's.

If we have another 12 or more loss, we move it to the 3rd e.c.
As we are working through our labbies, if one of them is doing well we can transfer losses from the others over to it so that they all gradually move up together.

As I write, I'm thinking maybe that's not a bad way to play.  Start with a labby on each e.c. and move losses around so that one that's losing heavily can have it's load carried by the other two.  

Anytime we reach a new high, we reset everything to 9 zeros and a 1 on each e.c.

Seems like this would keep our bets as low as we can hope for and for them to get too high all three labbies would have to be losing badly.

Just a thought.

LOL,


George

[Tomla021]

i like playing the 3  e/c's at one time---most of the time if ones struggling the other 2 help keep the whole bankroll closer to even

[Fripper]

I like playing the 3  e/c's at one time---most of the time if ones struggling the other 2 help keep the whole bankroll closer to even

Yes, it is very good most of the times.

But, I have suffered some very hard sessions were two of the EC's is against you and even sometimes 3 EC's against you. Then it is that fun anymore.
Therefore my thinking.

[aleks06]

Well I tested the 11th session it doesn't look good.

I got this the first time :

Session 11

+15 profit

lowest point : -447

Highest bet : 84

236 spins


and now

202 spins

-1114

highest bet : 80

It seems endless...

maybe my strategy sucks or I'm doing something wrong.

[Fripper]

Yeah I noticed that to in my testing.

Well, back to the old one for the moment.
We should be able to get it better tho.

[GLC]

This may be way off base, but what if we didn't double the second bet after a loss.  Rather, just bet the same amount with the idea of breaking even.  Instead of 1 - 2 or 3 - 6 or 4 - 8,  just 1 - 1 or 3 - 3 or 4 - 4.  If we lose both bets, we only have 2/3 to recover from the way we  are doing it now.  It might make it too much of a grind or a session may last so long we die before we end it. (not we but you guys , sorry, I'm a little tied up at the time and can't help with the testing.  Thanks for including us in your hard work.)

[xDannyboi23x]

Hey fripper what do u mean play 3 even chances at the same time?
cheers

[aleks06]

for instance you play Red and High and Even with 3 different labby's.

[Fripper]

Hey fripper what do you mean play 3 even chances at the same time?
cheers

If you start playing on red and have had like 2 series of 4 then you can transfer half of your figures (bets) to another EC. Choose the most choppy one.
Then you can do it again if things get bad.