Beating roulette with math..

[aleks06]

Bayes, I've just read your topic about "trend surfing" very interesting. What bankroll would you suggest ? what was your lowest point playing this way ?

Fripper, how many sessions with 65/135 have you found in 55M spins ? one ?

[Fripper]

I looked for 65/135 sessions.
After 55M spins I found the first.

Then after 6M more spins I found another one, which was 61 wins.

So it was 2 of them in those 61M spins.

I will wait until bayes does the save spins thing in the analyzer. To write every session manually and also the following sessions is to time consuming.

[Bayes]

Bayes, I've just read your topic about "trend surfing" very interesting. What bankroll would you suggest ? what was your lowest point playing this way ?

Highest drawdown so far is about 200 units, but keep in mind I've only tested it over a few thousand spins. I would recommend a bank of at least 1000 units, even though it may not be needed.

[Fripper]

Highest drawdown so far is about 200 units, but keep in mind I've only tested it over a few thousand spins. I would recommend a bank of at least 1000 units, even though it may not be needed.

Have you tried any of the "horror" sessions?
Or have you only played for real?

[aleks06]

If I have fully understood Bayes uses a bet selection which approaches something like " follow the last". So the "horror" sessions would be easy for this kind of bet selection...

The last session with 65 reds is really hard fripper...I don't know how we are going to overcome it betting red all the time 

[Fripper]

If I have fully understood Bayes uses a bet selection which approaches something like " follow the last". So the "horror" sessions would be easy for this kind of bet selection...

The last session with 65 reds is really hard fripper...I don't know how we are going to overcome it betting red all the time  

Ok, maybe so.

Yes it was hard. But I cleared it, altough bankroll needed was about 5000 units. Highest bet 2636 units    (9 zero's and a one)
Remember that there was about 2 of these sessions in 61M spins. Roughly 305000 sessions.

This is propably how bad as it gets. Now, 5000 units in 0.01$ bets = 50$ as a bankroll.
Imagine a bot playing 0.01$ bets all the time, it should be nearly unbeatable.

[Bayes]

I've played a few tough sessions betting one side only, all of them came good in the end. The thing to keep in mind is you can't say after a session that "if I had been using such-and-such bet selection I wouldn't have had those losses", because every bet selection has its nemesis.  FTL or trending will do well in sequences where there is a strong deviation, but what about choppy sequences? Even having stop losses doesn't necessarily help. Supposing you're betting red and have a rule that you stop after 2 losses in a row, then restart after a single win, the nemesis for that would be this:

BB are BB are BB are BB are BB...

So when testing a system you really need to test it against the worst sequences you can find for that particular bet selection, not something which would a tough sequence for some other bet selection.

Some believe that all bet selections are equal, and there is no advantage to be gained by choosing one over another - you might as well bet one side constantly. Based on my experience, I'm not of that opinion. I don't know whether it's possible to win flat betting, but you can definitely shorten the length of the losing sequences - some bet selections are better than others.

[aleks06]

Well done Fripper,

2636 units   

we could even imagine 0,10$ units  bets It will fit the limit table of some casinos (betvoyager...)

[Big EZ]

Fripper....

I have 45 spins left in that last sequence you posted.  So far my highest bet has not been over 150 units and I am +7 units......

I don't play it the way you do, using a double up approach and sitting spins out if you hit a certain number of losses in a row.  I bet on every spin and I do not double. So far so good. I will report back after I get through the last part of the spins..

[Fripper]

@ aleks06

Well, 2636units * 0,10 = 263,6$
Isn't the limits for ECs 0.01$-100$ ?
Then it could only be done with 0.01$ bets or a little more.

@Big EZ
Nicely done. I look forward to know how you play.
As we know already, we have endless of ways on playing this baby.

[aleks06]

Fripper,

betvoyager, 1 zero roulette, limit on EC is 1000€ 


BigEZ, I can't wait to see how you play it !!!

[Big EZ]

As long as you predetermine what you want your max bet to be around you can do anything you want with this baby.  The 9 zeros serve as a very important piece to the puzzle when your bets start getting to high and you only have say 4 spots of the labby left  1,1,1,1 you can always keep expanding to keep your bets low or what you feel comfortable with.

Here you can see how I played it.  I may not even be doing it right lol, but it works for me.
Let me know what you think.
Highest bet 212 units and I didnt clear it out at the end, but still in profit

[reveal]
15  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
4   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
9   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
17  0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
2   0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
25  0,0,0,0,1,1
20  0,0,0,1,1,1
8   0,0,1,1,1,1
6   0,1,1,1,1,1
10  1,1,1,1,1,1
3   1,1,1,1
17  1,1,2,2
24  2,2,2,3
26  3,3,4,4
22  5,5,5,6
8   8,8,8,8
21  8,8
16  win cleared the labby +1
11  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
2   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
9   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
24  0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
17  0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
24  0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1
2   0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1
17  0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1
12  0,1,1,1,1,1
19  1,1,1,1,
2   1,1,2,2
18  1,2
0   3,3
35  6,6
17  12,12
30  win cleared labby  +2
17  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
9   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
8   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
35  0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
29  0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
35  0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1
10  0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1
12  0,0,0,1,1,1
0   0,0,1,1,1,1
33  0,1,1,1,1,1
32  1,1,1,1
18  1,1
0   2,2
17  4,4
2   8,8
10  8,8,8,8
34  8,8
11  16,16
3   win clear the labby +3
8   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
20  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
0   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
13  0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1
6   0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1
22  0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1
4   0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
12  0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1
28  0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
1   1,1,1,1,1,1
10  1,1,1,1,2,2
14  1,1,1,2
13  2,2,2,2
28  3,3,3,3
22  4,4,5,5
5   4,5
24  9,9
13  18,18
20  36,36
29  36,36,36,36
4   54,54,54,54
25  27,27,27,27
6   27,27,27,27,27,27
5   27,27,27,27
32  27,27
3   win clear the labby +4
18  win clear the labby +5
32  win clear the labby +6
4   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
18  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
26  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
26  0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
0   0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
8   0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1
6   0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1
11  0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1
17  0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
17  1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
18  1,1,1,1,1,1
31  1,1,1,1,2,2
4   1,2,2,2,2,2
17  2,2,2,2,3,3
35  3,3,3,3,3,4
18  3,3,3,3
2   4,4,5,5
7   4,5
17  9,9
28  18,18
7   win clear the labby +7
35  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
10  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
8   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
29  0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1
31  0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1
11  0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1
10  0,0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
14  0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1
10  0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
2   1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
11  1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2
15  1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2
9   1,1,2,2,2,2
0   2,2,2,2,2,3
13  3,3,3,3,3,3
19  3,3,3,3
17  4,4,5,5
24  6,7,7,7
24  10,10,10,10
35  10,10,10,10,10,10
28  13,13,13,13,14,14
16  13,13,13,14
8   20,20,20,20
15  30,30,30,30
35  45,45,45,45
26  45,45,45,45,45,45
9   45,45,45,45
21  45,45
13  45,45,45,45
3   45,45
22  45,45,45,45
20  45,45,45,45,45,45
25  45,45,45,45
36  45,45
35  45,45,45,45
22  45,45,45,45,45,45
28  60,60,60,60,60,60
8   60,60,60,60,60,60,60,60
28  75,75,75,75,75,75,75,75
21  75,75,75,75,75,75
14  30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30
29  36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36
0   43,43,43,43,43,43,43,43,44,44
32  43,43,43,43,43,43,43,44
11  43,43,43,43,43,43,43,43,44,44
4   50,51,51,51,51,51,51,51,51,51
26  61,61,61,61,61,61,61,61,61,61
18  61,61,61,61,61,61,61,61
2   61,61,61,61,61,61,61,61
27  61,61,61,61,61,61
34  30,30,30,30,31,31,31,31
31  38,38,38,38,38,38,38,39
13  47,47,48,48,48,48,48,48
4   59,59,59,60,60,60,60,60
29  73,74,74,75,75,75,75,75
5   74,74,75,75,75,75
18  74,75,75,75
1   30,30,30,30,30
24  42,42,42,42,42
2   58,59,59,59,59
6   82,82,82,82,83
26  82,82,82,82,82,83,83
28  105,106,106,106,106,106,106
36  106,106,106,106,106
5   106,106,106
3   106
25  win cleared labby +8
15  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
29  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
12  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
14  win labby cleared +9
31  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
2   0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
36  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
25  win cleared the labby +10
10  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
32  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
20  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
14  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
8   0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
15  0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
27  0,0,0,0,1,1
20  0,0,0,1,1,1
6   0,0,1,1,1,1
21  0,1,1,1
6   1,1,1,1
31  1,1,2,2
20  2,2,2,3
4   3,3,4,4
33  5,5,5,6
18  5,5
3   win labby cleared +11
28  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1
13  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
11  0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1
27  0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1
21  0,0,0,0,0,1
28  0,0,0,0,1,1[/reveal]

[flukey luke]

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[Bayes]

 

Nice one Luke!

[aleks06]

very good EZ,

but at this point  105,106,106,106,106,106,106

It's very dangerous for your bankroll you are already at -741 and if you find a serie of black it could be a KO.

maybe with 15 zero's it would be safer