I Have An Announcement To Make-I'm Pregnant.

[chrisbis]

Thought That Might Get Ur Attention!.

I have a real time announcement to make.

Myself and another member in the Forum are in the process of Testing, calibrating, adjusting(progression), and Stabilising a New 3 Dozens Bot.

Descriptions, Progressions used, casino choice, chip values, bugs alerts, process, timeout problems, Bank Roll requirements, and a whole host of associated features will be discussed,
debated, posted in this and an additional  Topics.

Stats will be available for download and verification.

If u have some numbers U would like Us to crunch through the Bot, then fire them here or thro PM.

Any ideas, additions, adaptation, and ALL Ur thoughts will be most welcome.

Global Mods will be doing there usual business, but constructive analysis,
AND critique is not just welcome- its an absolute necessity for this process- so give me/it Ur best Barrels worth.

Offensive language will of course not be tolerated, and tho the occasional- "I told U so" will be swallowed up I the main thrust of the Topic, It would be nice to not see TOO many of them here.

We are pretty much up to speed with what the Risk/Reward gamble is here, so think carefully about how this Topic could be just what U have been looking for, and join in.
Its a Trade-off.
To Play, Not to play....................That is the Question.

This is a Forum attempt at running a full testing, Debating, and deep look into this subject.
U may have Ur own take on it.
U may have no take on it, in which case, I'll see U on the other subjects.

(Note to All)
This Topic in no way implies that there is no need or desire to keep looking, learning, trying, testing all manor of other systems, trackers, bots, methods, and progressions.

I certainly will not be single minded on the game of Roulette, tho I thought 3 Dozens, has enough merit to Flag it up for Forum to see that there's serious work and effort going on over here.

So here it is then- not a new section, but when U arrive here, U should know from Now till U leave this Topic we are discussing:-
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And No...............I'm Not Pregnant.........................I think!

[chrisbis]

The Starting Point.

From play fun money of $5000. the tool has ran this morning for approx 22minutes.
I may have stopped it a minute or two)

Its playing 0.10c chips.
Betting all 3 Dozens.
Progression set to 24 levels.
1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31,47,70,105,158,237,355,533,799,1199,1798,2697,4046,6069,10313

It made  +$187.00
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[chrisbis]

Latest Screen shot with time ref.
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[Fraudster]

Has the bot ran the full 24 steps without a win yet?

if not how far has it got (max step) ?

looks very promising indeed, are you guys coding it yourself?

i would be happy to beta test / help with coding, adjustments, feedback etc.... if you need any extra help then gimmie a shout

is there any playtech casino at all that allows 0.01 min bet? i thought 0.10 was min? i know thats the figure you have quoted above chris!

im sure that matt over at super roulette had a dozen sleep for 27+ on more than one occasion, so please just be carefull guys, infact im sure the max he saw was like 33 spins sleeping. im not sure if this system is playing sleeping dozens or what, i need to do alot more reading up

Mike

[chrisbis]

Worst Case BR losses on 24 level Progression
This table shows what would happen to the prgression,
should 2 Dozens Sleep,
and only 1 Dozen is hitting-( Dozen B in this instance)

Next worst case would be for only " dozens to hit, and then Zero!

[table=,]
Level,Progression, Doz A, Doz B, Doz C, Outlay on the table,Bank Roll notes
1,1,10,10,10,30, Starting of new session. Max BR
2,1,10,10,10,30,
3,2,20,10,20,50,
4,3,30,10,30,70,
5,4,40,10,40,90,
6,6,60,10,60,130,
7,9,90,10,90,190,
8,14,140,10,140,290
9,21,210,10,210,430,
10,31,310,10,310,630
11,47,470,10,470,950, ($10 would be wiped out)
12,70,700,10,700,1410,
13,105,1050,10,1050,2110, ($20 would be wiped out)
14,158,1580,10,1580,3170, ($30 would be wiped out)
15,237,2370,10,2370,4750, ($45 would be wiped out)
16,355,3550,10,3550,7110, ($70 would be wiped out)
17,533,5330,10,5330,10670, ($100 would be gone!)
18,799,7990,10,7990,15990, ($160 would be gone!)
19,1199,11990,10,11990,23990, ($240 gone)
20,1798,17980,10,17980,35970, ($360 gone)
21,2697,26970,10,26970,53950, ($540 gone)
22,4046,40460,10,40460,80930, ($800 gone)
23,6069,60690,10,60690,121390, ($1210  gone)
24,9103,91030,10,91030,182070, ($1820 gone)
[/table]
(All above values are placing 0.10 chip size on the table)
Also remember, no Zero is factored in this tables.

[chrisbis]

Has the bot ran the full 24 steps without a win yet?

if not how far has it got (max step) ?

looks very promising indeed, are you guys coding it yourself?

i would be happy to beta test / help with coding, adjustments, feedback etc.... if you need any extra help then gimmie a shout

is there any playtech casino at all that allows 0.01 min bet? i thought 0.10 was min? i know thats the figure you have quoted above chris!

im sure that matt over at super roulette had a dozen sleep for 27+ on more than one occasion, so please just be carefull guys, infact im sure the max he saw was like 33 spins sleeping. im not sure if this system is playing sleeping dozens or what, i need to do alot more reading up

Mike

• 24 level run - no not yet
• max to date for me is level 17 (779)
• my partner in code is the geek, I'm just the donkey
• Thanks for offer, Ur turn will come
• Yes, Playtech- Casino.com which we are using as one of the tables. 0.01c avail. but its very slow and quite noisey!! (at  level 17- that's 799 x .01c pieces/chips to fire down)

• Hence I am testing with 0.10 chips value, to destruction point
• Its not playing sleeping Dozens- Sleepers are its down fall if that's what U mean!
• Careful is our middle name- well no cause its Paul in my case, but yer- cautious work
• Read up on my thoughts about twisting the bet progressions, so as to face the enemy, not shy away from it

Thanx Fraudster.

[MrJ]

This is a method I usually classify as 'good' but not playable.

Ken

[mr.ore]

The method is not that bad at first sight, I had similar things for dozens. Well, I have copy pasted the progression into my code, so I will post a results there. The way it is played:

The progression is played for each dozen separaterly, but before betting, the lowest dozen is not bet, and the other two are reduced by it's bet size. So if it should bet 1,2,2, only 0,1,1 is bet. That's in order to not lost so much because of zero, and the results are same. Max two dozens are bet at a time. It's similar idea to differential betting on EC.

Now there are two ways it handles losing that progression.

1) It continues the max bet until it wins. Then the progression is reset to one.

2) It starts from one, progression is reset.

I will yet add the option where it bets max until it recovers.

Now the results for 1)

BTW this system is nice in short term, but if it loses, it is really bad. The progression might be shorter, or another tricks should be introduced.

Results are for a single zero roulette, RNG ranlux389.

[mr.ore]

Now results for option 2), immediate reset of progression...

The system have serious flaws. I would thing of something like global memory of lost progressions, and bet in order to recover when the dozen is missing for x spins, or such gambler's fallacy ideas. They sometimes work in short term...

[chrisbis]

This is a method I usually classify as 'good' but not playable.

Ken

Thanx for joining in.
I am trying to "see" if it can be made better than the previous experience's of this "Good" game, and look for alternate methods for formate.

I think there are about 5 different ways of adopting an approach to this game/system.

I prefer (as can be seen in earlier testing notes) to call this a

ROUTINE, rather than a system, since them is no real system to follow, nothing the player can do to change the betting shape, all the player can do, is lay the bets, on each of the Dozens, and watch the results- then the same again, with progression.

With any other EC, like RED/ BLACK for instance, U have the choice each time to lets say, follow the streaks, go with the chops (Y a butchers involved here I don't know), or run with the Series movements as ego mention some weeks ago.

When playing 3 Dozens or 3 Columns which is the sister act here, a new thinking could well be allowed to occur.

Cheers Ken.

What's on at the restaurant today then?

[chrisbis]

@
mr.ore

Thanx for those. will study in depth.

what was the progression again?

Same as we Have - Standard Fibonacci Progression?

Just checking with Ya.

Cheers.

[MrJ]

A good 10 hours I'll be there today. We're suppose to be busy as hell (knock on wood).

Ken

[mr.ore]

Same progression as you, that was test of your system:

1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31,47,70,105,158,237,355,533,799,1199,1798,2697,4046,6069,10313

On win, reset to the first, on loss, step to the right. I just pasted the progression to my old code, when I was beginning with roulette, I tested several xdozens systems. In the end, all "three dozens" system can be optimized to only two dozens.

I even tested progression 1,3,9,27,... played three times on dozens (1,2),(1,3),(2,3), of course in the end only two dozens were bet. It was very quick profit method, but tanked too often. Even faster were playing that at the same time both on dozens and columns. I tried to find a way how to balance loss among all the systems, but it only made things worse...

[Bayes]

Just an observation, not a criticism, but it always puzzles me that people who often condemn the martingale as being dangerous then go on to use it for other chances. To me, a martingale is not just 1,2,4,8,16.... but any progression which recovers all past losses and generates a profit on a SINGLE bet.

In a marty, the increase in stake is 100% each time, but that's only because you're betting on the ECs. It's essentially the same if you're betting only half the losses (instead of all of them) and the odds are 2-1, because although the progression is less steep, the wins come proportionally less often.

[ThomasGrant]

Any chance of me getting a look at this bot?