Higher BR?

[MrJ]

This is more my point. We'll say we have player 'A' and player 'B'.

Both players are flat bettors.

Both start playing at the same time, same table.

Both will be using the SAME method.

Both have a win goal of $600.

We have all read hundreds of times, the LONGER you stay playing, the HA catches up to you and you're DOOMED! Ok, I guess so.

One player has a BR of $500, using $15 units. The other player has a BR of $5,600, using $200 units.

ONE player only needs plus THREE units, then go home. The other player needs plus FORTY units before he can go home.

He is kind of screwed because he needs to PLAY LONGER.

Ken

[albalaha]

But in worst conditions, the person having smaller BR and chips size will lose lesser also. What I firmly believe is that one should use big chips in hit and run cases only.

[MrJ]

"What I firmly believe is that one should use big chips in hit and run cases only" >>> I agree if part of your definition is +3 units.

Ken

[albalaha]

What I mean by hit and run is to try a bet or a few to either get ur target win or if break even try again and if lose, accept losses and leave. I am compiling a few hit and run strategies in my exclusive zone.

[iggiv]

player with 200 buck units is a very risky guy with lots of guts. what if he encounters losing 3 units 4-5 times in a row (i am talking about different time sessions). one day he comes and loses 3 units, then another day, then another day. it happens, right? of course it is easier to win 3 units but also easier to lose.

player B on the other hand may slowly win 10 units...then take a break...then another 10 units.
if he loses them he won't crap his pants.

[winkel]

one player can bet 33 times and one player can bet 28 times!

You bet less you win less and lose less
you bet big you win big and lose big

it is not a question of the unit-size, it is a question if you could stand a losing streak

and there is a kind of a break-even-calculation
quote of return 1 for EC or 35 for straightup

the question should be: if both players (EC and Straight) start betting, who will need how many wins to end up best?

If both have 35 units and bet 35 times
straight up will end either +-0 or in a win odds for win 24/37
EC will need 18 wins to end up +1 odds 18/37

br
winkel

[frost]

some valid points in this thread.

But a question to consider...

would you risk 1000 units to win 100 units?

or

risk 100 units to win 1000?

a higher BR may aid your chances of winning more but at the end of the day its the quality of your play that determines your eventual out come...

[winkel]

But a question to consider...

would you risk 1000 units to win 100 units?or

risk 100 units to win 1000?

this is possible

this is beginnerÃ,´s dream

[frost]

but considering we all play with a stop loss of X amount if we play the same system with the two different BR, a stop loss of 30% on 100 unit BR would always work out less then a stop/loss of the same amount on the 1000 unit BR.

of course the flip side of the argument is that with the 1000 unit BR it may take less wins to reach your target profit. granted. however this is only the case if flat betting. if playing a progression a larger BR only mean it'll take you longer to reach your stop/loss.

agreed?

in that case a begginers dream would be the wiser choice...

[winkel]

If IÃ,´m at he table with 100 units and stop at 70 units, why do I need to have 100 units?

You only can calculate like this:

If I use my system, then I need xxxx units til it busts.
I will try the game 3 times so I need 3 times xxxx

or

I need a first payback (not win) in the first yy spins. No wins - stop betting

[frost]

Not quite sure if i Understand your post but....

If I use my system, then I need xxxx units til it busts.
I will try the game 3 times so I need 3 times xxxx

if you fail with both BR you've loss less with the 'beginners dream'

if you need to win 3 times xxx i assume your going to use a progression. with the win target bet x amount of your starting balance, you are going to be betting bigger units right? if this is the case then your likely to have less available bets before you hit the table limit.

so lets assume that your win target is not x percentage of your starting balance and just a figure, x dollars.

why the need to risk such amount?

i suppose if you have the money then it really doesn't matter but to me when i am developing a system i try to to keep my BR as low as possible.

[MrJ]

Good replies, thats awesome!

Ken

[6th-sense]

in the end if your systems good enough you should be aiming to bet bigger...thats the whole point of a system...take the matrix vertical and all the wins against loss ratio...that 1 unit could be worth 10 instead of one..even with a hit ratio of 50 win to 1 loss you would still be up a fair amount...its not the size of your balls its your bank balance...a system is a system regardless of the amount the unit is.if you,ve enough bankrolls to cover 5 losses then go for it its no good wishing to win big without betting big?  you still got the same chance and risk just betting the minimum ....if a systems good then use it to your full advantage

[winkel]

Hi frost & 6th-sense,

you got me wrong.

Everyone who studied roulette knows that there is no system just strategies

e.g.: If a "dozen" can sleep for 40 times so I have to calculate a 40-step-bet and I have to risc min 40 units to cover 1 hit at minimum.

It is no use to stop after 10 losses and start over another 10 tries again and again. It is simply the same as to go through to this point.

To stop and wait for a virtuell hit wouldnÃ,´t help either! e.g. 10 losses 1 hit 10 losses 1 hit etc.
for this:
bettor 1 has lost 20 units (10 losses 1 hit 10 losses 1 hit)
bettor 2 has lost 18 units!!!!
imagine now the second try:
9 wins in a row
bettor 1 still 2 units back
bettor 2 is equal

bettor 1 needs three hits to win +1
bettor 2 needs 1 hit to be in Plus

this example is for flat-bet. Every experienced knows for progressions this is the same.

another point: If you donÃ,´t reach +1 in an attack, you wonÃ,´t reach 100 either, do you?
but If you reach +1 you can reach possibly +100 as well during your betting-spins!
think about it.

br
winkel

[MrJ]

Let me ask the question this way. We have player 'A' and player 'B'.

Both players are interested in playing the last outcome of red/black or odd/even.

Lets say it looks like this >> RLRLLLRLRRLRL etc. (L is black)  Player 'A' (the idiot) is a hardnose and sticks to the last color regardless of anything.

Player 'B' starts to see its getting CHOPPY and switches to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.

Are you gonna tell me BOTH players, using two different styles are going to have roughly the same results at the end of the day or the end of the month?


Ken