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#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 07:17 AM 2011
Hi and welcome

One question from me, why do you continue to bet the initial sleeper after its hit ?

thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas

There are many unexplored ways of doing this. Good question anyway. By my theory we can continue to bet inital sleepers, or maybe even better to recalculate number of sleepers at any hit. And continue with the progression and exeptacion of the hits.

#### kenio

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 07:39 AM 2011
Bump my question again. Please show us a progression you use.

#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 08:24 AM 2011
Bump my question again. Please show us a progression you use.

Ok of course i will. In this post but few lines later.Allow me something before that, i promised that earlier. And it is important. Reference to the 0 in the system. At the start, i didnt know how to solve 0 problem. When 0 was a sleeper. I always ignore it. But then, roulette showed me. First time in my tests i had strange situation. In the 1st dozen there was only 1 sleeping number (number 2, but not relevant which number).  Hm.. quite strange but i thought to myself number 2 has to hit in 37 spins. Right? But i was amazed when i saw that there is no number 2 among next 37 spins. hm.. now what? And when i looked at the 0, i had 2 hits of this number in my next 37 spins. (7th and 18th spin), and when i looked at the table, 0 with 1/3 touches 1st dozen. Right? So if 0 is a sleeper i put it among the numbers in 1st dozen.

Now progression. Ok.  I will repeat. For calculation of my progressions i use progression tool from loothog.com but of course it can be any other. i tested this on Unibet casino and i played in 1-1000 chips room.(just an example) There, minimun bet on number is 1 and max 25 units. If you have smaller or bigger limits, you also set that in progression tool. I ll use maximum progression, but you can recalculate to fit 2/3 expected hits if you want. (that is the latest point when first expected sleeper should hit every dozen.) In theory we need max 2/3 max progression.I will also do that but with this i wanted to show that with max progression you can be much more ahead roulette on that issue.

For two sleepers
1) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 34 Bankroll Needed: \$2
2) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$4
3) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$6
4) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$8
5) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$10
6) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$12
7) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$14
Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$16
9) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$18
10) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$20
11) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$22
12) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$24
13) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$26
14) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$28
15) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$30
16) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$32
17) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$34
18) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 34 Bankroll Needed: \$38
19) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$42
20) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$46
21) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$50
22) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$54
23) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$58
24) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$62
25) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$66
26) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$70
27) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$76
28) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$82
29) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$88
30) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$94
31) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$100
32) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$106
33) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$114
34) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$122
35) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$130
36) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$138
37) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$148
38) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$158
39) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$168
40) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$178
41) Bet: \$ 6 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$190
42) Bet: \$ 6 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$202
43) Bet: \$ 6 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$214
44) Bet: \$ 7 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$228
45) Bet: \$ 7 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$242
46) Bet: \$ 8 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$258
47) Bet: \$ 8 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$274
48) Bet: \$ 9 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$292
49) Bet: \$ 9 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$310
50) Bet: \$ 10 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$330
51) Bet: \$ 10 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$350
52) Bet: \$ 11 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$372
53) Bet: \$ 11 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$394
54) Bet: \$ 12 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$418
55) Bet: \$ 13 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$444
56) Bet: \$ 14 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$472
57) Bet: \$ 14 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$500
58) Bet: \$ 15 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$530
59) Bet: \$ 16 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$562
60) Bet: \$ 17 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$596
61) Bet: \$ 18 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$632
62) Bet: \$ 19 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$670
63) Bet: \$ 20 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$710
64) Bet: \$ 21 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$752
65) Bet: \$ 23 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$798
66) Bet: \$ 24 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$846
67) Bet: \$ 25 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$896

For 3 sleepers

1) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$3
2) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$6
3) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$9
4) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$12
5) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$15
6) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$18
7) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$21
Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$24
9) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$27
10) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$30
11) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$33
12) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$39
13) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$45
14) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$51
15) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$57
16) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$63
17) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$69
18) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$78
19) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$87
20) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$96
21) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$105
22) Bet: \$ 4 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$117
23) Bet: \$ 4 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$129
24) Bet: \$ 4 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$141
25) Bet: \$ 5 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$156
26) Bet: \$ 5 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$171
27) Bet: \$ 6 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$189
28) Bet: \$ 6 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$207
29) Bet: \$ 7 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$228
30) Bet: \$ 7 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$249
31) Bet: \$ 8 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$273
32) Bet: \$ 9 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$300
33) Bet: \$ 10 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$330
34) Bet: \$ 11 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$363
35) Bet: \$ 12 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$399
36) Bet: \$ 13 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$438
37) Bet: \$ 14 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$480
38) Bet: \$ 15 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$525
39) Bet: \$ 16 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$573
40) Bet: \$ 18 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$627
41) Bet: \$ 20 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$687
42) Bet: \$ 21 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$750
43) Bet: \$ 23 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$819
44) Bet: \$ 25 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$894

For 4 sleepers

1) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$4
2) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$8
3) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$12
4) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$16
5) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$20
6) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$24
7) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$28
Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$32
9) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$40
10) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$48
11) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$56
12) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$64
13) Bet: \$ 3 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$76
14) Bet: \$ 3 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$88
15) Bet: \$ 3 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$100
16) Bet: \$ 4 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$116
17) Bet: \$ 4 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$132
18) Bet: \$ 5 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$152
19) Bet: \$ 5 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$172
20) Bet: \$ 6 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$196
21) Bet: \$ 7 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$224
22) Bet: \$ 8 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$256
23) Bet: \$ 9 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$292
24) Bet: \$ 10 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$332
25) Bet: \$ 11 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$376
26) Bet: \$ 12 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$424
27) Bet: \$ 14 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$480
28) Bet: \$ 16 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$544
29) Bet: \$ 18 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$616
30) Bet: \$ 20 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$696
31) Bet: \$ 22 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$784
32) Bet: \$ 25 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$884

Etc.. etc.. You got it now?

#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 08:25 AM 2011
Ok of course I will. In this post but few lines later.Allow me something before that, I promised that earlier. And it is important. Reference to the 0 in the system. At the start, I didn't know how to solve 0 problem. When 0 was a sleeper. I always ignore it. But then, roulette showed me. First time in my tests I had strange situation. In the 1st dozen there was only 1 sleeping number (number 2, but not relevant which number).  Hm.. quite strange but I thought to myself number 2 has to hit in 37 spins. Right? But I was amazed when I saw that there is no number 2 among next 37 spins. hm.. now what? And when I looked at the 0, I had 2 hits of this number in my next 37 spins. (7th and 18th spin), and when I looked at the table, 0 with 1/3 touches 1st dozen. Right? So if 0 is a sleeper I put it among the numbers in 1st dozen.

Now progression. Ok.  I will repeat. For calculation of my progressions I use progression tool from loothog.com but of course it can be any other. I tested this on Unibet casino and I played in 1-1000 chips room.(just an example) There, minimun bet on number is 1 and max 25 units. If you have smaller or bigger limits, you also set that in progression tool. I ll use maximum progression, but you can recalculate to fit 2/3 expected hits if you want. (that is the latest point when first expected sleeper should hit every dozen.) In theory we need max 2/3 max progression.I will also do that but with this I wanted to show that with max progression you can be much more ahead roulette on that issue.

For two sleepers
1) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 34 Bankroll Needed: \$2
2) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$4
3) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$6
4) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$8
5) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$10
6) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$12
7) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$14
Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$16
9) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$18
10) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$20
11) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$22
12) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$24
13) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$26
14) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$28
15) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$30
16) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$32
17) Bet: \$ 1 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$34
18) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 34 Bankroll Needed: \$38
19) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$42
20) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$46
21) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$50
22) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$54
23) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$58
24) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$62
25) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$66
26) Bet: \$ 2 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$70
27) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$76
28) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$82
29) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$88
30) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$94
31) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$100
32) Bet: \$ 3 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$106
33) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$114
34) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$122
35) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$130
36) Bet: \$ 4 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$138
37) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$148
38) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 22 Bankroll Needed: \$158
39) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$168
40) Bet: \$ 5 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$178
41) Bet: \$ 6 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 26 Bankroll Needed: \$190
42) Bet: \$ 6 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$202
43) Bet: \$ 6 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$214
44) Bet: \$ 7 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$228
45) Bet: \$ 7 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$242
46) Bet: \$ 8 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$258
47) Bet: \$ 8 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$274
48) Bet: \$ 9 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$292
49) Bet: \$ 9 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$310
50) Bet: \$ 10 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$330
51) Bet: \$ 10 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$350
52) Bet: \$ 11 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$372
53) Bet: \$ 11 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 2 Bankroll Needed: \$394
54) Bet: \$ 12 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$418
55) Bet: \$ 13 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$444
56) Bet: \$ 14 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$472
57) Bet: \$ 14 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$500
58) Bet: \$ 15 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$530
59) Bet: \$ 16 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$562
60) Bet: \$ 17 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$596
61) Bet: \$ 18 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$632
62) Bet: \$ 19 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 14 Bankroll Needed: \$670
63) Bet: \$ 20 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 10 Bankroll Needed: \$710
64) Bet: \$ 21 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$752
65) Bet: \$ 23 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$798
66) Bet: \$ 24 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$846
67) Bet: \$ 25 on 2 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$896

For 3 sleepers

1) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$3
2) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$6
3) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$9
4) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$12
5) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$15
6) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 18 Bankroll Needed: \$18
7) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$21
Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$24
9) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$27
10) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$30
11) Bet: \$ 1 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$33
12) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$39
13) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$45
14) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$51
15) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$57
16) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$63
17) Bet: \$ 2 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$69
18) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$78
19) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$87
20) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$96
21) Bet: \$ 3 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$105
22) Bet: \$ 4 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$117
23) Bet: \$ 4 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$129
24) Bet: \$ 4 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$141
25) Bet: \$ 5 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$156
26) Bet: \$ 5 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$171
27) Bet: \$ 6 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 27 Bankroll Needed: \$189
28) Bet: \$ 6 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$207
29) Bet: \$ 7 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$228
30) Bet: \$ 7 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$249
31) Bet: \$ 8 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$273
32) Bet: \$ 9 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$300
33) Bet: \$ 10 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$330
34) Bet: \$ 11 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$363
35) Bet: \$ 12 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$399
36) Bet: \$ 13 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 30 Bankroll Needed: \$438
37) Bet: \$ 14 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$480
38) Bet: \$ 15 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 15 Bankroll Needed: \$525
39) Bet: \$ 16 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 3 Bankroll Needed: \$573
40) Bet: \$ 18 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 21 Bankroll Needed: \$627
41) Bet: \$ 20 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 33 Bankroll Needed: \$687
42) Bet: \$ 21 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$750
43) Bet: \$ 23 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 9 Bankroll Needed: \$819
44) Bet: \$ 25 on 3 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 6 Bankroll Needed: \$894

For 4 sleepers

1) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$4
2) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$8
3) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$12
4) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$16
5) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$20
6) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$24
7) Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$28
Bet: \$ 1 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 4 Bankroll Needed: \$32
9) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$40
10) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$48
11) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$56
12) Bet: \$ 2 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$64
13) Bet: \$ 3 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$76
14) Bet: \$ 3 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$88
15) Bet: \$ 3 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$100
16) Bet: \$ 4 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$116
17) Bet: \$ 4 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 12 Bankroll Needed: \$132
18) Bet: \$ 5 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$152
19) Bet: \$ 5 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$172
20) Bet: \$ 6 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$196
21) Bet: \$ 7 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$224
22) Bet: \$ 8 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$256
23) Bet: \$ 9 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$292
24) Bet: \$ 10 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 28 Bankroll Needed: \$332
25) Bet: \$ 11 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 20 Bankroll Needed: \$376
26) Bet: \$ 12 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$424
27) Bet: \$ 14 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$480
28) Bet: \$ 16 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$544
29) Bet: \$ 18 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 32 Bankroll Needed: \$616
30) Bet: \$ 20 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 24 Bankroll Needed: \$696
31) Bet: \$ 22 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 8 Bankroll Needed: \$784
32) Bet: \$ 25 on 4 spots. Profit on a Win: \$ 16 Bankroll Needed: \$884

Etc.. etc.. You got it now?

these smiles shouldn tbe here of course haha

#### kenio

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 09:04 AM 2011
Thx a lot drazen. Now we can start testing

#### GLC

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 09:29 AM 2011
Drazen,

Thanks again.  Great system to think about and test.  Well thought out.  Still a little complicated and some of us aren't too clear on every piece of the puzzle.  Systems like this take time to read and re-read until all the pieces start falling into place.

Be patient with us and gradually more and more will jump on board as different members add their two cents worth to it.

I know it takes a lot of time to type out all the details and we thank you for your patience in do that.

Cheers mate,

George
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 10:12 AM 2011
Drazen,

Thanks again.  Great system to think about and test.  Well thought out.  Still a little complicated and some of us aren't too clear on every piece of the puzzle.  Systems like this take time to read and re-read until all the pieces start falling into place.

Be patient with us and gradually more and more will jump on board as different members add their two cents worth to it.

I know it takes a lot of time to type out all the details and we thank you for your patience in do that.

Cheers mate,

George

Thans mate. I will have patience for all of you. At this time in my life, i have more obligations than earlier. i have to study for my exams, to go to college... And that means that i cant spend couple of hours a day just on this... (although i would like to). But that is why i told you all my idea, and asked for help.

Regards
Drazen

#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 01:22 PM 2011
Ok guys some of you told me that they dont understand how i got latest expected spin and how to adjust progression...
I will try to explain again, there is no problems.
For 3 sleepers we expect 1 hit in 2/3 of 37 spins max so that means 2/3*37=24.6/1=24 spin latest
When we expect 2 hits 2/3*37=24.6 /2 expected hits=12.3 spin latest
when we expect 3 hits 2/3*37=24.6 /3 expected hits 8.2 spin lates
etc etc
so by that you can adjust your progression. And with only one hit you will be very very satisied.
any suggestion or correction is welcome if i did something wrong here. i mean mathematicaly and statisticaly.

#### Fripper

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 01:35 PM 2011
After my first test I saw that it can become hard to get all our "targets".
For example if we have 6 unhit in first dozen, law of the third tells us that we should expect 4 of them to hit in next 37 spins. But, hereafter I will only go for 2 or 3 wins because I always get 2 wins. 4 wins can be harder and can kill your bankroll. So statistically I mean that I will go for 1/2 instead of 2/3 of the unhit numbers.

Drazen, which bankroll do you recommend?

I find it pretty hard to track all the progressions at the same time when playing..

My first sessions have showed nice profit
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#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 01:40 PM 2011
After my first test I saw that it can become hard to get all our "targets".
For example if we have 6 unhit in first dozen, law of the third tells us that we should expect 4 of them to hit in next 37 spins. But, hereafter I will only go for 2 or 3 wins because I always get 2 wins. 4 wins can be harder and can kill your bankroll. So statistically I mean that I will go for 1/2 instead of 2/3 of the unhit numbers.

Drazen, which bankroll do you recommend?

I find it pretty hard to track all the progressions at the same time when playing..

My first sessions have showed nice profit

Yes. My regards to you. Thank you for testing. In my later test i also discovered something similar to this. But can you tell why sometimes this does not follow theory completely? Was that on RNG-s?

#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 01:58 PM 2011
Main thing here is to find extrems of this system. If there are some deviations we want to know when and why they occur. This system has big potencial, so dont be lasy to track numbers. Help me. Tests, tests and more tests... That is the only way we can find constant in the system. We want how much theory follows that in practice...

#### Fripper

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 02:06 PM 2011
Yes. My regards to you. Thank you for testing. In my later test I also discovered something similar to this. But can you tell why sometimes this does not follow theory completely? Was that on RNG-s?

What do you mean follow theory?
Well according to the law of the third we should have 2/3 hit numbers but that's not always the case, sometimes it will hit more and sometimes less. That's why I feel it's safer to play with around 1/2 hits.

Yes I test in RX. (Roulette Xtreme)
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#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 02:10 PM 2011
What do you mean follow theory?
Well according to the law of the third we should have 2/3 hit numbers but that's not always the case, sometimes it will hit more and sometimes less. That's why I feel it's safer to play with around 1/2 hits.

Yes I test in RX. (Roulette Xtreme)

Yes. but because in randomnes this is the only known law that acts? Right? So i wonder why and when these extrems happens.

#### Fripper

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 02:14 PM 2011
Well, I don't know if it is the only law that acts..

If we could know when the xtremes would happen then we would be on a very good way in beating the game
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#### Drazen

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##### Re: System based on Law of the third-need comments
Apr 27, 02:16 PM 2011
Well, I don't know if it is the only law that acts..

If we could know when the xtremes would happen then we would be on a very good way in beating the game

Yes. That is right. Eventhough that disproportionals happens, they are not big and they are quite rare. Does anyone have idea how to explain this?