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Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 23, 02:52 PM 2011
Track the last 24 and bet on any repeats (with a progression idea)

I have played this system for a year or so with some success, the greatest being £730 in 4 weeks with a £100 BR, so £830.  The best land win was Leeds Casino with a night total plus of £130 and I only staked £20. Please read on to the end because I have realised a winning betting progression.
Basically, this is Ball24 in RX with a mod. Ball24 tracks doubled numbers within a specified amount of numbers. When the number goes to 3 hits, its a win, but the number drops off because its only tracking doubles. I want to track all multi hit numbers to treble, or quadruple etc.
I have renamed Ball24 to Ball24 plus. The only difference is below.

Ball 24
52   if record "wheel" data =2

Ball 24 plus
52   if record "wheel" data >1

On William Hill live roulette the marquee has 21 numbers, so you can fill RX up to around 22 then wait to qualify. I actually have wheel frequency on set to track 24 so I can see repeats before qualification, and I bet before 24 until qualification.

Now in the past, I bet as in RX, where a 1U is placed on every double/treble etc number, so after creating a new session, and Ball24 pop up asks amount to track and static or rolling, we select 24 and rolling. (static will bet on the numbers shown without change until a win: Rolling will bet on the numbers repeated withing every last 24, so numbers drop off and reappear as we go along.)
This works, but soon you have bet more than you can win in one session so you must carry on, mostly with success. Sometime 7 numbers are shown and if no hit in 10, we are £70 down and sweating.

More on the new progression later.

I built a suite of actuals from William hill live dealer amounting to 10 sets of 50 or 60 numbers.
This is my test suite. I ran ball24 plus using 18 track rolling, 18 track static. Same for 20, 21,24,28 even 30 on these 10 sets, but 24 rolling comes out top for wins and the bet not getting silly.
I also noticed that a win is seen within 16 spins around 40 times to one. With a 1U on each number idea, you were dead in the water at 12 spins.

SO.......I tried this

10p on each number and if no win 20p, 30p, 40p etc. Generally, apart from the first 2, the win is between 9 and 12 U, and the cost is 33U if no win in 10 spins. A win and back to 10p. When a number adds to the repeats, you add the bet that's running currently , so if 10 comes up to add to the repeats, and they are all on 30p, the 10 is 30p too.

Then all 40p for the next bet.

So far, this week, I had a BR of 40U and am currently on 150U from 6 sessions. I hit and run the table, but have moved to a new table straight away a few times, or stay on for another session

Here is an example from, Will Hill Live Table 1

30, 14,0,9,15,7,31,31,27,30,6,1,29,18,19,5,8,7,32,18,31,36,8,3

We are at 24 numbers, and RX indicates repeats as 7,8,18,30,31, so 10p on each = 50p

BAL = £40

£0.50, #30 WIN (BAL=£43.10),
£0.50, #10
£1.00, #35
£1.50, #16
£2.00, #2
£2.50, #19 (repeats change 8,18,19,30,31)
£3.00, #31WIN (BAL £54.20)
£0.50, #13
£1.00, #12
£1.50, #11( repeats change 8,18,19, 31)
£1.60, #25
£2.00, #21
£2.40, #13 (repeats change 8,13,18,19, 31)
£3.50, #13 WIN (BAL £66.90) (repeats change 8,13, 19, 31)
£0.40, #23 (repeats change 8,13, 31)
£0.60, #21(repeats change 8,13, 21 31)
£1.20, #21 WIN (BAL £75.50)
AND RELAX! .....................

Here are some German spins from Bremen Casino, where it looks like its just not going to be your night.

12,35,19,5,8,13,24,24,4,36,17,24,14,36,4,31,35,24,36,27,1,35,16,25

We are at 24 numbers, and RX indicates repeats as 4,24,35,36, so 10p on each = 40p

BAL = £40

£0.40, #19 (repeats change 4,19,24,35,36)
£1.00, #22
£1.50, #22(repeats change 4,22,24,35,36)
£2.00, #3
£2.50, # 32
£3.00, #9
£3.50, #19(repeats change 4,19,22,24,35,36)
£4.80, #30
£5.40, # 34(repeats change 19,22,24,35,36)
£5.00, #22 WIN £46.90
AND RELAX!
Well, you could go on, but I would tend to be thankful for my money back plus £6.

Actually, 32 and 12 (a new number come out in the next 7 adding to the BR
If we had flat bet 1 U all the time with the same numbers, we would still be down £8

Here are some bad streak progressions for 17 spins with 4 repeats (common with 21 rolling)
   Bet   Stake   Win
1   0.1   0.4   3.2
2   0.2   0.8   6
3   0.3   1.2   8.4
4   0.4   1.6   10.4
5   0.5   2   12
6   0.6   2.4   13.2
7   0.7   2.8   14
8   0.8   3.2   14.4
9   0.9   3.6   14.4
10   1   4   14
11   1.2   4.8   16.4
12   1.4   5.6   18
13   1.6   6.4   18.8
14   1.8   7.2   18.8
15   2.1   8.4   21.2
16   2.4   9.6   22.4
17   2.7   10.8   22.4
   Total   74.8   
Here are some bad streak progressions for 17 spins with 5 repeats (common with 24 rolling)
   Bet   Stake   Win
1   0.1   0.5   3.1
2   0.2   1   5.7
3   0.3   1.5   7.8
4   0.4   2   9.4
5   0.5   2.5   10.5
6   0.6   3   11.1
7   0.7   3.5   11.2
8   0.8   4   10.8
9   0.9   4.5   9.9
10   1   5   8.5
11   1.2   6   9.7
12   1.4   7   9.9
13   1.6   8   9.1
14   1.8   9   7.3
15   2.1   10.5   7.6
16   2.4   12   6.4
17   2.7   13.5   3.7
   Total   93.5   

I am looking to lose £25 on a bad streak and try again tomorrow, although its tempting to carry on.
Having said that, I havnt had a shock yet. Maybe if I was up to £200 I would risk a full 13 or 14 without a win. Down to £130 BR and take stock!

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 26, 06:27 AM 2011
Well there you go. Not one post.

I'm up to £197 from a £40 start in 12 short evening sessions of about 10 mins each if you are interested....which you arnt I guess.

I'm becoming very much uninterested in posting.

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 26, 08:26 AM 2011
Thanks for sharing this system.  It took me a while to figure it out as I am not familiar with RX programming and we in the USA just getting over Thanksgiving and Black Friday Shopping. Let's see if I understand your system.
 
Track the last 24 spins. Bet all numbers that have repeated 2 or more times within the 24 spins. Bet progression is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 etc.
Looks like you use RX to track these numbers otherwise tracking the numbers manually is a difficult. Perhaps Mad Max or Rolf-Harris or anyone other experienced in excel could develop a quick spreadsheet to track the last 24 numbers and testing this would be much easier. I have been testing a similar repeating system using Finales and am going to try your progression to see how it works. Don't be discouraged from posting.  You never know what what ideas you have that others may find interesting and useful, like your progressions may have an application in one of my systems. Thanks  again. Nick
 
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 26, 11:02 AM 2011
Well there you go. Not one post.

I'm up to £197 from a £40 start in 12 short evening sessions of about 10 mins each if you are interested....which you arnt I guess.

I'm becoming very much uninterested in posting.


Sensitive soul aren't ya

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 26, 12:06 PM 2011
As I think this is an very interesting idea, it´s my pleasure to contribute you with the simple tracker I have attached. Just enter the numers into the yellow collumn. In the upper part of the sheet the numbers will appear that appeared at least twice in the last 24 spins.
I´m a little busy the last days, but as soon as I find some time, I will test your system.
But let me say, I´m glad about everyone who contributes his/her ideas to the forum. So don´t let you get down! :thumbsup:

Cheers
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 26, 01:44 PM 2011
Add +1 to the motion.


At times it can take quite some time to get a reply... but you can rest assured there are plenty of READERS who appreciate your work.


Poster-to-reader ratio is always disproportionate!


Regards and by all means do keep the good work up dear Turner :)


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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 26, 02:26 PM 2011
Thanks Madmax . . . the tracker works like a charm . . . now I can test it out without straining the old eyes . . .Nick
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 26, 05:04 PM 2011

Sensitive soul aren't ya

Yes I am......a touchy bast*rd

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 27, 12:59 PM 2011
As I told in a previous post of mine, I have started coding a few weeks ago after a long pause.
So the first executable tracker I made is for the Ball 24 plus system.
It can be found in the download section here:
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=89
I hope, it works correctly (in my testing it does). Otherwise feel free to contact me!
I think, such a tracker, where you only have to click on the numbers is the most comfortable way to test and play systems.
So I hope, some of you will benefit from it.
MadMax

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 27, 01:23 PM 2011
Thanks for the addition to the downloads section MM,


You are right: the easiest way to use a manual tracker is by "Point-and-click" :)


Your work is appreciated.


(P.S. in which language did you implement it?)
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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 27, 01:54 PM 2011
Thank you Vic for your kind words!
I use PureBasic for coding, as I didn´t know that VB is for free and I was looking for a cheap language which should be based on basic, cause in by youth I coded very much with basic (Commodore 128 times ;D). But than I had a very long pause with coding, just started again a few weeks ago, but I guess it´s like riding a bike: if you know how things go, it´s much easier to come back to the materie as to learn it from the very first start.

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 27, 04:42 PM 2011
As I told in a previous post of mine, I have started coding a few weeks ago after a long pause.
So the first executable tracker I made is for the Ball 24 plus system.
It can be found in the download section here:
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=89
I hope, it works correctly (in my testing it does). Otherwise feel free to contact me!
I think, such a tracker, where you only have to click on the numbers is the most comfortable way to test and play systems.
So I hope, some of you will benefit from it.
MadMax

Max, you go above and beyond the call of duty creating this tracker.....Thanks.

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 27, 06:55 PM 2011
Thank you Vic for your kind words!
I use PureBasic for coding


PureBasic is a Beautifully implemented program. It certainly adds up a lot that they do the ASM by hand.


I didn´t know that VB is for free and I was looking for a cheap language which should be based on basic, cause in by youth I coded very much with basic (Commodore 128 times ;D ).


Those were the times eh!


These days, they can fit the whole thing in a program run from a webpage:


nolinks://nolinks.dreamfabric.com/c64/


But than I had a very long pause with coding, just started again a few weeks ago, but I guess it´s like riding a bike: if you know how things go, it´s much easier to come back to the materie as to learn it from the very first start.


Absolutely!


Once you learn to code, it really is a matter of "getting back in the saddle"; even with the lots of new additions to the language(s), the underlying logical thinking keep being a must and roughly the same.


As long as you are a logical thinker, you can code all of your life :)


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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 28, 05:05 AM 2011
Thanx MadMax again for tracker
but there is MST tracker with Finest method inside which you can configure for Ball 24.
Nothing against - just info for others.

regards

DL

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Re: Ball 24 plus with progression
Nov 28, 11:01 AM 2011
Thank you Optimist for your hint. I didn´t know that the settings could be done at MST, but as you post it, I had another look on it and found it.
So you´re right, you also can use MST for tracking this system.
In my own tracker I have detected a bug, which shows up, when a zero becomes qulified to bet. In that case, the tracker stops tracking until the zero goes out of the marquee.
I have fixed this error and uploaded a new version here in the download section.
If you find other problems with the tracker, please report it to me.

I also have made a few tests with the system. As it seems, it can be real big drawdowns, but the power of recovery is also given. I have no idea, how to tweak it, that loosing streaks can be hold acceptable.