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Started by ego, Mar 02, 03:37 AM 2012

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ego

Quote from: drazen_cro on Sep 26, 04:18 AM 2012
One can try play like this. Whenever you have two different states in a row you bet them to repeat. So you are playing that all 3 won't whow up in a row, and that i like to call perfect state.

Why play like this?

Because number of combinations is in our favour.


Okay we would have 6 perfect states:

123
132
213
231
312
321

And twelve other states

122
121
232
233
311
313
211
212
322
323
131
133

So you are winning on 12 patterns and losing on 6 + green round number.

But on roulette is nothing due to happen and this fails as anything else. But it is fun to play with it.

Cheers

Drazen

Well there exist many combinations - i would think like this - what is the probability to get nine dozen in a row - that is pretty rare.
Like 123123123 ...
Then once you have 123 present state you would bet against and after that ride ...
Could be any combination 231 321 123 and so on.
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

Drazen

Quote from: malcop on Sep 26, 04:24 AM 2012
Hi Drazen,

Could you please demonstrate how you would apply your idea to Red/Black?

And are these the triggers of your that Ego reffered to?

Thanks

malcop

Ok quick simple example with minimum bet formations for you

B
R
B
-----single
R
R
B
B
------serie- play against 3rd state which is hovering, or capturing last 2 states in other words
R----after this red come first you place R to capture last state or series
B---- B come and you lost, now you place R again to capture second last state or single
B-----B come again and now you have hovering state as last, or all 3 states in a row

Cheers

Drazen

P.S forum color doesn't work right obviously...

malcop

Hi Drazen,

Thanks I understand, played this way before just was not sure if you was doing something diffrent.


malcop

Drazen

Quote from: ego on Sep 26, 04:45 AM 2012
Well there exist many combinations - i would think like this - what is the probability to get nine dozen in a row - that is pretty rare.
Like 123123123 ...
Then once you have 123 present state you would bet against and after that ride ...
Could be any combination 231 321 123 and so on.

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Yes, pure math and probability

Pretty rare ha? On roulette that means something.. Well I can think of one meaning, money in the pocket :)

And MM can be built up on base as probabilitiy is raising/running from some point to that pretty rare point... And with good bank i think we can set point where it can go beyond pretty rare. So to be able to face even extremly rare figures, which wont happen in your life time.

That just run through my head...

Cheers

Drazen




ego


QuoteOkay we would have 6 perfect states:

123
132
213
231
312
321

And twelve other states

122
121
232
233
311
313
211
212
322
323
131
133

So you are winning on 12 patterns and losing on 6   green round number.

Define the losing state ...

Well there is a error using the quote above.
If we would follow the flow for one repeat of the previous two then 123 with 321 would be a win.
Also 312 would result in a win as we playing the previous two states.
Just to mention some of them among others - so the equilibrium looks a littel different.

The question is when we define the losing state alternating if we would stay with the main march after 123 or if we would change and bet against ...
I will test this further.
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

Drazen

Well if we would follow the last two 123 and 321 is losing-winning-losing bet

12 bet 12 got 3-- lose

now bet 23 got 3 (233) win

now stop and wait again two different 32 (1) lose.. and so on..
But maybe best is follow last 2 and on loss start from last, so when 123 123 rolling happens we will have 6 lossess instead of 9?

I think it is better to alleviate such situations when they come then fight hard against them..

And when you will have 123 123 you know that in next 3 bets is veeeery unlikely again to have 123 so change type of ammo and shoot all missed by then with one or two shots :)

Cheers

Drazen

Cheers

Drazen



ego


There is on other march for dozen who works using three present states with even money.

Take dozen and play for change and that you wont get doubles of dozen to chop.
Like 111 222 111 222 333 22 333 111

That would mean for three present states that does would not repeat.

If you have the hovering state XXX O XXX then you would play for two series to chop or getting two singles events.
If you have two series to chop you would play for that at least one singles would appear for the next two events.
If you have two singles you would play for two series or one isolated singles event.

This is a short test result for 300 trails.

W W L W L W W L W L W W W W W L W W W W W L W L L

L W L W W W W L L

W L W L W W L L

W W L W W L W W L W W L L

L W W W W W L W L L

W L W W W W L W W L W W L W



Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

Drazen

Please mr. ego if I may add one idea of mine here. What I think is pretty cool way of taking as a standard march if one would play this.

Now when i perfectly understand principle of reducing bets to get same probability and now when I know how to get probability of 2:1 odds, playing on 1:1 odds i see random through different way. I like it a lot realy :)

I reckon that only 4-5 people maybe here knows and understand all this, and the rest has no clue, finding it too hard or give up in the start, or not doing it right, because it is not easy to understand immedietaly for someone who just tryes that...

I was doing my head around this for a while, and hitting against the wall few times before i didn't figured it out...

It is like driving a bicycle, I can show you and tell you all the theory, but anyway you won't be able to sit and drive it right for the first time.. It takes time. Same with this. But once when you get this principle playing roulette on even chances will be so interesting and funny if you apply some of ideas with this.

Ok how I think I am going to play this. I would play against repeating state, but against thrid from behind.. Why? Because if we would lost 3 attacks we would have 6 states in a row, and of course each have probability of showing 1/3 ... And that my dear roulette fellows you don't see so often...

You will see it once and then and very rare even more. You can stop maybe at 6 or 5 showed if you want, waiting rolling to stops and on change start again. How often happens that 6 dozens show in a row  back to back in short time? Well I must admit that I didn't found it yet... Although mantra says that in roulette everything can happen.

so it would be like this for example

1. serie
2. serie
3. hovering
4. single--you played against 1.(serie) win
5. hovering--you played against 2.(serie) win
6. single--you played against 3. (hovering) win

and so on
.
.
.
.

My opinion and from although not so extensive tests, that this way of playing shows realy cool winning strikes, and when you would hit losing serie of 3 attacks you would already be dealing with quite decently low probability...

Cheers

Drazen

malcop

bDrazen,

I fully understnad your statement, it took me a while to fully understand this concept, but for me the but now it all makes perfect sense, for example if you had a series of such as BBB for the series to become two you would have to see BBBRR so that mens even if you had a series of BBBBBBBB it could only become a series of two if it choped to BBBBBBBBR now we are hovering and waiting to see what the next outcome is, if it gose BBBBBBBBRR we have our two series, but if it went BBBBBBBBRB we have a isolated single, BBBBBBBBRB and now we wait to see what happens next, dose it go to BBBBBBBBRBB a new series, or BBBBBBBBRBR another single.

Once I got that into my head it all became very simple, and even simpler to code a sheet to detect series & single and even hovering states.

Maybe you could give people and example with Red/Black on your suggested play, I have always found those kind of examples most helpfull.

Thanks

malcop

Drazen

Quote from: malcop on Oct 07, 07:00 AM 2012
BBB for the series to become two you would have to see BBBRR so that mens even if you had a series of BBBBBBBB it could only become a series of two if it choped to BBBBBBBBR now we are hovering and waiting to see what the next outcome is, if it gose BBBBBBBBRR we have our two series, but if it went BBBBBBBBRB we have a isolated single, BBBBBBBBRB and now we wait to see what happens next, dose it go to BBBBBBBBRBB a new series, or BBBBBBBBRBR another single.


Hm.. hm.. I am afriad you are doing it wrong mr. malcop

BBB is not a serie. It means nothing in your example.

What you need to have is serie of serie BBRR --now this is one state. ok?

BBBRRRBBB- this is still one state. now if you would get RR after that then you would have BBBRRRBBBRR-- and now that would be two series in a row or like two dozens in a row.

And your isolated single state is also not correct. Do similar to this..

Regards

Drazen

malcop

Well I was just talking about series and singles not states, and was told by someone that plays this a lot that a series has a minimum formation of two, so BRR the RR is the start of a series, as I said before I was not talking about states just series and singles.

Of course once you have BBRR you have a series of series, but each series still has to have a minimum formation of two of the same each.

Thanks

malcop

Drazen

Then we are not talking about same thing and we cant apply same principle.

Cheers

Drazen

malcop

Quote from: drazen_cro on Oct 07, 06:20 AM 2012
Please mr. ego if I may add one idea of mine here. What I think is pretty cool way of taking as a standard march if one would play this.

Now when i perfectly understand principle of reducing bets to get same probability and now when I know how to get probability of 2:1 odds, playing on 1:1 odds i see random through different way. I like it a lot realy :)

I reckon that only 4-5 people maybe here knows and understand all this, and the rest has no clue, finding it too hard or give up in the start, or not doing it right, because it is not easy to understand immedietaly for someone who just tryes that...

I was doing my head around this for a while, and hitting against the wall few times before i didn't figured it out...

It is like driving a bicycle, I can show you and tell you all the theory, but anyway you won't be able to sit and drive it right for the first time.. It takes time. Same with this. But once when you get this principle playing roulette on even chances will be so interesting and funny if you apply some of ideas with this.

Ok how I think I am going to play this. I would play against repeating state, but against thrid from behind.. Why? Because if we would lost 3 attacks we would have 6 states in a row, and of course each have probability of showing 1/3 ... And that my dear roulette fellows you don't see so often...

You will see it once and then and very rare even more. You can stop maybe at 6 or 5 showed if you want, waiting rolling to stops and on change start again. How often happens that 6 dozens show in a row  back to back in short time? Well I must admit that I didn't found it yet... Although mantra says that in roulette everything can happen.

so it would be like this for example

1. serie
2. serie
3. hovering
4. single--you played against 1.(serie) win
5. hovering--you played against 2.(serie) win
6. single--you played against 3. (hovering) win

and so on
.
.
.
.

My opinion and from although not so extensive tests, that this way of playing shows realy cool winning strikes, and when you would hit losing serie of 3 attacks you would already be dealing with quite decently low probability...

Cheers

Drazen
Hi Drazen,

I will code this idea of yours in a sheet and see how it works out.

If you could look over the sheet when I am done, to make sure it is playing as you outlined then that would be great.

Thanks

malcop

albertojonas

Quote from: malcop on Oct 07, 10:58 PM 2012
Hi Drazen,

I will code this idea of yours in a sheet and see how it works out.

If you could look over the sheet when I am done, to make sure it is playing as you outlined then that would be great.

Thanks

malcop
Did you actually coded it?
Did some testing?


I might have a thought or two on this...


Cheers
AL

malcop

Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 15, 08:16 PM 2012
Did you actually coded it?
Did some testing?


I might have a thought or two on this...


Cheers
AL
No mate.

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