1-2-3-5 Positive Progression In A Negative Progression

[Ralph]

I got 125 Euro playing with 1 Euro bet. When I had to put 50 to recover, it was feeling a bit risky.
With not an very big bankroll, you can risk, I think 0,1 euro is a better stake. At least until we have have won a larger bit.

[vladir]

I got 125 Euro playing with 1 Euro bet. When I had to put 50 to recover, it was feeling a bit risky.
With not an very big bankroll, you can risk, I think 0,1 euro is a better stake. At least until we have have won a larger bit.

If you play with 1 euro as base unit... you can win or loose faster... and you wont be able to recover if you loose.
I would advise you to play 0,1â,¬ or 0,01â,¬ units, and if you loose, then increase to 1â,¬ unit just for recovery.

[GLC]

Holy Moly,  You guys didn't let me wake up this morning to answer your questions.  Sorry about the expired link.  The original system is presented in the book Monte Carlo Anecdotes.  I was just suggesting his bet selection method as a decent selection process.  You can use your favorite even chance bet selection method.  As you already can deduce, this works on baccarat and craps also.

It's not foolproof, but no less stable than most others.

N1ckyyy,  Yes if you lose either the 1st or 2nd bet at a level, you move 1 more step to the right in the bet line.  If you don't lose till the 3rd bet you break even and stay at the same level you're on.  If you make it all the way to the 4th level and lose, you win 1 chip, more if you're at a higher level than 1, and can drop back 1 level.

Anytime you win all 4 bets you should have recovered all your losses and can reset to the first 1.  You can, if you're toward the right end of the bet line, jump back down if you win the 3rd bet.  It will not fully recover, but will recover a big chunk and dropping back to a smaller size bet gives you more breathing room.

I have a Hispanic friend who likes to play each level 2 times.  He does it for safety.  What I mean is he plays the 1's level 22 times instead of 11.  The idea is that he plays it 11 times and if he loses 11 units, he plays the 1's again as a means of recovering some of what he lost the 1st time through.  If his luck is so bad that he has to move to the 2's level, he plays them thru 2 times also.  He doesn't mind getting caught in quicksand to keep his bets a little smaller.  He's retired and has all the time in the world.  He also frequently plays only to the 3rd win.

Yes, you can extend this bet line as far as you want.  Depends on your bankroll.  As you can see, we're looking for 4 wins in a row, but 3 in a row helps also.  The thing that kills us is a loss on the 1st or 2nd bet.

As with all systems.  This one can lose so don't get too carried away betting money you can't afford to lose.

Shoot for 10 to 20 units win target or lose 100 units.

[TwoCatSam]

Scooby

I have no idea what the system is.  Never heard of it.

Did you mean to address that post to George?  Had a wee nip, did we Scoob?

Sam

[Ralph]

Yeh! Nothing is new under the sun, Everthing in this game were invented 100 year ago.
I recall the book from before the WWI.

Anyhow we can win or lose, with care some of us will winn for long time.
I am not very young, and thats mean I have to short time left to  fall in "long run", which is promissing.
I have time to win, but maybe not to spend.

[GLC]

For those of you who like double dozens more than even chances, here's a possible bet line:

1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  2-2  2-2  2-2  2-2  3-3  3-3  4-4  4-4  5-5  6-6  6-6

That's -94 units if you lose the whole line.

The positive part is as follows:

1-1

1-1

2-2

3-3

4-4

5-5

If you lose on the 5-5 bet, you can replay the level.

So, that means you bet 1-1 and win and you have 3 units.
You bet 1-1 again and win and you now have 4 units.
You bet 2-2 and win and you have 6 units.
You bet 3-3 and win and you have 9 units.
You bet 4-4 and win and you have 12 units. (Plus an extra one from the 3-3 win that we didn't use on the 4-4 bet)
You bet 5-5 and win and you have 15 units.  (Plus the 2 we didn't use from the 4-4 win and the 1 we didn't use from the 3-3 win)
That gives us 18 units minus our original 2 for a +16 unit win.

[GLC]

As some of you have already figured out, you don't have to win all 4 bets on the e.c.'s in the very beginning of the line.  If you lose 1 and move to the 2nd 1, since you are only down 1, no sense in playing for 4 wins netting you +10 when you are back to even on the 1st bet of the 2nd level and up 2 if you win the 2nd bet of the 2nd level.


Any time you are at a new high bank, or back to even after being in the hole, re-set.

[GLC]

Same thing with the double dozens.


If you lose a 1-1 bet, you only have to win 1-1 two times to be back to even and then re-set.


Let's say you've lost 1-1 four times.  That makes you down 8 units.


1-1=+1
1-1=+1
2-2=+2
3-3=+3  From here you can bet 2-2 which will put you up 1 for a re-set.  Or you can bet 1-1 which will put you back to even.  Or, you can bet 4-4 which is the next bet in the progression which if won will put you ahead 3 units.  Definitely no need to go on to the 5-5 bet.


These re-sets will keep your bets in the lower end of the progression line.


This double dozen progression line is a little safer than the even chance line because we're only using 6 wins to recover whereas in the e.c. progression, we had to win 4 bets to recover.  The odds are better for us that we will win 6 in a row on double dozens than that we will win 4 in a row on even chances.

[Tomla021]

love a great positive progression -this looks really promising for double dozens

[N1CKYYY]

I made some simulations of the system on EC and what i can say is that in the long run it is not a winner but most of the time it defends the money which means that you will not lose a lot and later recover it with a little bigger bets...

[GLC]

I made some simulations of the system on EC and what i can say is that in the long run it is not a winner but most of the time it defends the money which means that you will not lose a lot and later recover it with a little bigger bets...

Thanks N1CKYYY,  I can't say that I'm too surprised.  At least it's a reasonable bet with a decent chance to walk away a winner or at worse a mild loser. 

Self discipline is the key to all these bets.

I think I'll play around with it some and see if I can figure out a trigger system for it.

I'm also going to try it betting differentially on the Red/Black and see if that can stabilize it even more.

[Ralph]

To not go mad of opposite streaks, you can us a card deck to determinate tthe bet color.
It would not help you win, but solve a choosing problem.

[Ralph]

Played on two COL:s.


step 3  won 3
step 1  won 1
step 2  won 8
step 1  won 14
step 1  won 15
step 1  won 5
step 1  won 1
step 1  won 16
step 1  won 22 (is it possible? May have done a double play and won it).
step 2  won 3
step 3  won 9

I am playing 1 cent, will from here switch to 10 cent, looks safe but slow.

step 2  won 1
step 1  won 16
step 1  won 16
step 1  won 4
step 1  won 1
step 1  won 4
step 9  won 6 break it on passing last high
step 1  won 12
step 9  won 1  It was just under last high, so I reset, but came back again, and made one unit
               If I did not do that, the system had crashed or I had to progress a lot more.
step 9  won 1  Very similar as the last, re sett before last high, had more bad runs, came back
               to step 9 before new high.
step 3 won 4

step 4 won 4

Got about bout 6 Euro. Slow winnings, two near crashes.
If we add some GF and other tricks, it will slow down even more.
It was a short try, in real conditions.
This maybe a candidate for a robot. I have done a robot before in VB.
To recognize the play I had to fetch screen colors in different locations
and fix the casino game exactly in the VB-browser component.
Its gone as my computer was stolen. I could do it again if I get hands on
VB6, the newer I am not familiar with.

[GLC]

I just played a session on betvoyager demo, single zero, even chances, differential betting on R/B
I won +20 units
95 bets
Highest level reached was the 2nd 2.
Largest draw down was -14

Here's how I played.
I'm betting on R and B at the same time.
Betting differentially to negate the zero as much as possible.
Which ever color spun last, it would have been a win, so I begin by betting 1 unit on the losing color and 2 units on the color that won.  Let's say Red won and Black lost.  I bet 1 unit on Black which is the 2nd 1 in Black's progression because Black just lost the 1st 1 in its progression.  I bet 2 units on Red because Red just won its 1st 1 unit bet and is letting it ride for a 2 unit bet.
Since we're betting differentially, I only bet 1 unit on Red and nothing on Black.
Anytime I get back to zero or +1, I reset.  I reset to 1 on the color that just lost and 2 on the color that just won.  That way we don't have to have a virtual bet of 1 on each to see which we will bet 2 on next.

From here I run each color with its own progression.  If I get 4 colors in a row, I usually reach a new high bank and can reset both progressions.

If I am -2 and my next bets are 1 on Black and 5 on Red, I will only bet 4 on Red because all I need to bet is 3 to reach +1.  You could go ahead and bet 5 for +2 if you win.  It's not so important at the lower numbers, but later you may need like 4 units to reach +1 and your next bet is 15, I would just bet 5 and take less risk.

Give it a try.  You'll be surprised at how low your bets stay.

GLC

[Ralph]

This works well on DOZ and COL. Two down on win, one up on loss.
On doublestreets 1 up on loss, six down on win. If you bet all streets the saving to zero is much.
On NoZero wheel it does not matter, if you got chips to cover the bets.
It they do not allow to bet all chanses this is a good workaround.