1-2-3-5 Positive Progression In A Negative Progression

[vladir]

For those of you who like double dozens more than even chances, here's a possible bet line:

1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  2-2  2-2  2-2  2-2  3-3  3-3  4-4  4-4  5-5  6-6  6-6

That's -94 units if you lose the whole line.

The positive part is as follows:

1-1

1-1

2-2

3-3

4-4

5-5

If you lose on the 5-5 bet, you can replay the level.

So, that means you bet 1-1 and win and you have 3 units.
You bet 1-1 again and win and you now have 4 units.
You bet 2-2 and win and you have 6 units.
You bet 3-3 and win and you have 9 units.
You bet 4-4 and win and you have 12 units. (Plus an extra one from the 3-3 win that we didn't use on the 4-4 bet)
You bet 5-5 and win and you have 15 units.  (Plus the 2 we didn't use from the 4-4 win and the 1 we didn't use from the 3-3 win)
That gives us 18 units minus our original 2 for a +16 unit win.

I'm going to try this with the system of following LAST DOZ + LAST COL (covers 20 numbers instead of 24, but 16 numbers give 1 unit as a prize and 4 numbers give 4 units) . Trigger for betting here is a virtual win.

[Ralph]

Vladir!

If you mean LAST SHOWN I have already done iit.
I bet last shown COL and DOZ . Gain 15 units, some were  long, but still working.

[vladir]

Vladir!

If you mean LAST SHOWN I have already done iit.
I bet last shown COL and DOZ . Gain 15 units, some were  long, but still working.

Do you use the trigger I told? Only bet after a virtual win ? Or you play continuosly?

[Ralph]

In this play I just bet the last shown, no other, bet all spins.

[Tomla021]

This is a really nice progression. Just did a about 100 DBL and won 40 units..very nice I will try some more

[lorna dune]

Great Stuff GLC  I love it  I've been working on something for almost a year, it fails continously! I'm a little weird when it comes to losing, the more I lose the more I become enthralled. This is good stuff, what I found was one of  the biggest problem with playing roulette seriously you still have to make it fun  because once the novelty of your system wears off most systems are complete drugery even if they do win more than they lose. I found myself bored to tears after a few months even though I could win. Make it fun and you found it! lorna dunne

[keel44]

I just played a session on betvoyager demo, single zero, even chances, differential betting on R/B
I won +20 units
95 bets
Highest level reached was the 2nd 2.
Largest draw down was -14

Here's how I played.
I'm betting on R and B at the same time.
Betting differentially to negate the zero as much as possible.
Which ever color spun last, it would have been a win, so I begin by betting 1 unit on the losing color and 2 units on the color that won.  Let's say Red won and Black lost.  I bet 1 unit on Black which is the 2nd 1 in Black's progression because Black just lost the 1st 1 in its progression.  I bet 2 units on Red because Red just won its 1st 1 unit bet and is letting it ride for a 2 unit bet.
Since we're betting differentially, I only bet 1 unit on Red and nothing on Black.
Anytime I get back to zero or +1, I reset.  I reset to 1 on the color that just lost and 2 on the color that just won.  That way we don't have to have a virtual bet of 1 on each to see which we will bet 2 on next.

From here I run each color with its own progression.  If I get 4 colors in a row, I usually reach a new high bank and can reset both progressions.

If I am -2 and my next bets are 1 on Black and 5 on Red, I will only bet 4 on Red because all I need to bet is 3 to reach +1.  You could go ahead and bet 5 for +2 if you win.  It's not so important at the lower numbers, but later you may need like 4 units to reach +1 and your next bet is 15, I would just bet 5 and take less risk.

Give it a try.  You'll be surprised at how low your bets stay.

GLC

Yes indeed.  I like that way a lot.  More testing of this way is needed.  Way to go.

[Ralph]

Do we win more? I don't think that's for granted. It we are lucky to choose the best color we win more. Now we bet the best and the worse. If may be safer, but I am not sure we win more.

[Ralph]

If we bet with one step between the colors we will get
  1
12  diff = 1
23  diff = 1
35  diff = 2
51  diff = 4

if we bet one color two steps behind

1
2 
3 1 diff = 2
5 2 diff = 3
1 3  diff= 2
2 5 diff = 3
3 1
5 2

When we will never lose 4 at one spin, in progressions that chip will multiply.

[GLC]

If we bet with one step between the colors we will get
  1
12  diff = 1
23  diff = 1
35  diff = 2
51  diff = 4

if we bet one color two steps behind

1
2 
3 1 diff = 2
5 2 diff = 3
1 3  diff= 2
2 5 diff = 3
3 1
5 2

When we will never lose 4 at one spin, in progressions that chip will multiply.

It is true that if one side doesn't hit 4 in a row, that side's bets will continue to grow.

It is also true that in a same number of spins, you can win more only betting on one color or the other if you picked the right color.  My favorite trot on colors can counter that sometimes, but nothing is foolsafe.

Colbster had an interesting concept in that if a side was losing too much, he would switch progressions from one to the other, or something like that.  I don't know if it would work on this bet.

I did a test today and had to go a little beyond the posted progression limit.  It did recover without getting too far out of line.

This is like all negative progressions.  The more bets in your progression line the rarer it is to reach the max, but on the other hand when you do reach it, it can be a knock out punch.

I've been testing a simple positive progression 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4 to good effect.  Move 1 step to the right after each win and move 3 steps to the left after each loss.  If you reach the 2nd 4 stay at 4 until you lose once then you can either drop back 3 or all the way to 1 since you have made a decent number of units.  Keeps the bets down and helps you control your losses.

I haven't tested this betting on both colors at the same time.  Could be interesting.

GLC

[GLC]

Here's the best system I've ever posted, I think.

It's called ROL vs BEH in the Notepad section.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=1385.msg12506#msg12506

We got side-tracked, but to the best of my memory, I never lost with this system.  And a lot of that was for real play on an airball machine.

Also, my brother played this a few times and never lost either.

Why did we quit?  You have to pay attention because there's a lot of keeping track between spins.  It's easy to keep track of, but you have to be like F_LAT_INO and make other players think you're deaf and mute while you're at the table.  Total concentration is the name of the game.  On your way to the cashier's cage to cash in your winnings you can talk all you want.

If one or two of you get time, give it a test.  You can do like F_LAT_INO said in that topic and drop the Hi/Lo bet.

The reason I started betting this way was because there are 10 Red Odd numbers and 10 Black Even numbers, so back then I thought it might make a difference if I bet them.  I have come to realize that it gives you no advantage.

[Ralph]

Sometimes I try the  Guetting progression, its rather difficult to lose much, but on the other hand its  rare that's you get a real hit. A couple of times i have been able to follow an EC 12-14 times.
The good thing is the progression do not end if a single of the opposite show.
I end the progression after two loss. If I win twice after a loss I continue.
We always lose the biggest bet twice, but that's the only way to know how far you can go.
More than ten steps progression, if you can jump över one or two singles in the way happens every night at a table.

[Ralph]

Regarding the systembetting all EC in difference betting, I have done it, but I mess up the tracking.
Up on loss down on win, playing  both red and black I did some years ago, one session ended after a month, and eat very hard on the bankroll. 100 10 cent chips on the table is not much, but 100! is.
I set it so it should be a unit profit a spin,  it were a looong boring session, which anyhow gave good profit. I ended it before reching 1 one the table, got about,12000 units in profit, the profit is not obvious when you have much on the table, but as soon the stack shrinks down the pocket fills up.
I think a bad run can go for years or never end, but still possible profit,

I start on black, and if I went down to 1 and won, I count it zero, if the empty spin won I went to opposite color, otherwise stay on the color.

[catalyst]

We got side-tracked, but to the best of my memory, I never lost with this system.  And a lot of that was for real play on an airball machine.

Also, my brother played this a few times and never lost either.

dear George, are you suggesting this progression to use in this system?
thanks.

N.B. any thoughts to transform this nice pogression for sector bets of  9 numbers? thhanks.

[GLC]

dear George, are you suggesting this progression to use in this system?
thanks.

N.B. any thoughts to transform this nice pogression for sector bets of  9 numbers? thhanks.

Catalyst,  Nice to hear from you.  It's been a while.

I am recommending the "let-it-ride for 1 time" progression line of: 1-1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-7.  That gives you 10 chances to win 2 in a row for a complete recovery.  If you lose the whole line it will set you back 27 units but that will be softened by the units being won on the other 2 even chances.
It's tricky keeping track of all 6 even chances.  Not hard, but you have to pay attention, completely.  Not so difficult, but does take some time.  We also have to bet differentially in case a zero hits.  We'll save bets on 3 of the even chances that way.

It's because of the busyness of the tracking that people don't like to test this method.

It's worth the effort.

I'll get back to you  re: the 9 number progression.