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TheLaw, Solve This, and casino closind down!

Started by P.A, Sep 02, 02:40 AM 2015

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P.A

Hi TheLaw, Atlantis, RouletteGhost, and others.

With respect.
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I will post a "RIDDLE" here.

If u could solve this, the casino going to close shop.

AND  if u found the answer,

congratulation!,

go make money and enjoy life!
and..

u could choose not to post answer here,
hehehee...of course u wont post the answer  here,
u will just keep mum!

hehehee...

The members who understand will shut up and lament..
"Oh NO! This crazy guy open the pandora box!!!"

The members who do not understand will post FUNNY-funny words here.

If u could solve this riddle ,
then u had a HG!
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In a wonderland, a wonderful casino advertise..
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"New Roulette RNG Game,

100spins only per game, then reset.

with GUARANTEED FIXED 30 BLACK VERSUS 70 RED.
in any possible permutation!

[30black + 70 red=100spins per game]

The ONLY Rules: U could ONLY bet BLACK!.

and stake and bet and play anyway as u like!"
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If I come across this wonderful casino,
I could win, every day!

could u win???

LuckoftheIrish

Well I have run many simulations and found that just betting H or L every spin, you can get 24 or less wins in 100 spins.  Here is what I wrote in Jan of 2014:

I just tested over 15 million single zero spins and analyzed H/L.

The worst case was only 24 wins in 100 spins.  If you can find a way to stay within table limits, and profit any time you get at least 24 wins in 100 spins, you would have the grail.  But good luck, because it can not be done!

denzie

The answer is easy.....at LuckoftheIrish...it's impossible yes, if we play every spin.  :)
As spins roll off our predictions get better

P.A

Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Sep 02, 02:50 AM 2015


I just tested over 15 million single zero spins and analyzed H/L.

The worst case was only 24 wins in 100 spins.  If you can find a way to stay within table limits, and profit any time you get at least 24 wins in 100 spins, you would have the grail.  But good luck, because it can not be done!

Thanks LuckoftheIrish,

After your 'over 15 million single zero spins and analyzed H/L'.

Your testing confirmed those   facts that...

1]Worst possible of RNG, EC bet could be ONLY24 hit, in 100spin!

2]The "Bet selection", of simply bet either High/Low, B/R, or E/O, are not a
wise selection.

It pretty much, betting on luck.

Your testing confirmed that, simply bet any rigid EC, flatbet, will have swing of max.= -52loss, negative, to +40plus win.

That 2 fact we learned today..thanks.

Now, if u could do more testing, u will surprised to see that some bet selection will stay, losing within losing around the EDGE.

eg, EC flatbet, should lose -3 in 111spins [roulette].

Then after millions spins test, if the bet selection, keep hitting 'lose' of around -3,-4,-5losses. [per 111spins]

Then u will very confident that your next 111spins, will only lose a few units, then what u going to do about this???

Progression wise?
Variance wise?

and you not far from your HG!

Thanks for sharing.
Appreciate them!

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Ps. This is how we should debate on forum.
mutual respect and civilized courtesy.



RayManZ

i dont think there is a bet selection that always loses the house edge.

You always have a factor called luck.

If i would be betting black and red the same time. I could catch a winning streak of 111 spins without 0. So i didnot lose like i should. Ofcourse it's also the other way around. I could catch alot of 0 while betting red and black and end up with losing more then 2.7%.

If you can avoid that horror sequence any bet selection will do or do i mis something importent here?

P.A

Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 02, 05:17 AM 2015
i dont think there is a bet selection that always loses the house edge.

You always have a factor called luck.

If i would be betting black and red the same time. I could catch a winning streak of 111 spins without 0. So i didnot lose like i should. Ofcourse it's also the other way around. I could catch alot of 0 while betting red and black and end up with losing more then 2.7%.

If you can avoid that horror sequence any bet selection will do or do i mis something importent here?


Thanks Ray for your post,
Since u could do tracker,

then try a few betselection posted by others in this very  forum, and u will find a few that hit to lose around the house edge.

Since we cant foresee future, then we need to accept , that when Murphy law, come a visiting, we need to cut loss.
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[One of the disheartening, is to see active  activity, of people keep searching for bet selection that will overcome edge, instead of accepting edge as UNAVOIDABLE, but rather EMBRACE it, treat them a special guest, instead of making them enemy!]

there will never selection overcome edge, they will swing widely from positive win , and negative losing.
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If u found a bet selection that

CONSTANTLY LOSE AROUND HOUSE EDGE,

then simulate them, for say, EC, for 111spins set, and then for millions set,
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why 111, not 100, because, zero is 1 of the 37numbers, and 37x3=111,
then u will see, as the math boys, [had arguing, and swear, till their eyes balls bulged, that zero always hit 3 time per 111spins.]
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Then u will confident that your selected bet selection, will hit, losing only, say max, -5, or -6, in next 111spins.

THEN think hard, how are u going to take advantage , of this ???

how to build progression, around this???
How to tackle variance around this???
how to avoid losses in progression???


The bulb lighten up in your head already???

if no, think hard, very hard.

I believe many newbie, and some not so old-timer,
learned a valuable lesson in gambling.

Thanks Ray.



RayManZ

Did some coding.

Here are my results:

3 Mil spins from spielbank
3.347.988 units profit
Highest progression: 2 units
Session is 111 spins

4 losing sessions:
491175: 4 won - 4 lost - 50% - -12 units
1253967: 5 won - 5 lost - 50% - -12 units
1549893: 7 won - 7 lost - 50% - -12 units
3049503: 6 won - 6 lost - 50% - -12 units

Also tested it on 66k playtech spins and 10k dublinbet spins. The same results only no losing sessions.

atlantis

Yes- I have a bet selection like this that does what you say.

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THEN think hard, how are u going to take advantage , of this ???

how to build progression, around this???
How to tackle variance around this???
how to avoid losses in progression???


Now I am thinking of how to turn it into a HG!  :)

A.
Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

RayManZ

Quote from: atlantis on Sep 02, 06:56 AM 2015
Yes- I have a bet selection like this that does what you say.

Now I am thinking of how to turn it into a HG!  :)

A.

Hi Alantis,

Want to share your betselection? If not public maybe by private message? Maybe we can find a solution together

martinnng

Dear P.A,
I'd like to ask you a small question about the progression..
You note, as one of the conditions, building a progression, in your posts,  but at the same time you write all flatbet. So, what is the right way in your opinion?
Regards, M.

P.A

Quote from: thelaw on Sep 02, 09:03 AM 2015
Dear PA (Falkor, Reyth, John Legend, Kimo),

I see your hook....................................think I'll keep swimming, but I'm sure other fools will happily take your bait......................oops.......looks like they already have!!!
:sad2:
Hi TheLaw,
with respect.

Please, please,please...
I do not want to argue for sake of arguing.
Please...

I see that u quick to , err, sorry to say, quick to lose temper, and scold people , when people post something u could not accept.

Why must it so???

This is just a forum for discussion, and here, I did not ask any monetary...or try to fleece anyone.

Members did PM me, but I didnt reply lest, being accused  being sort of ..Machiavellian scheme.

Please...
I didnt say anything bad about your methods, I just say, if u understand more , and make some adjustment, tweaking, then u have your own HG.

When people say,"Asian Flat Nose"..I reply,"my Asian Nose really flat, hahaha".
I take no offense, as my nose really flat, hahahaa.,,and that a reality, [so what,
proud being a Chinese, descendent of dragon.]

Take thing easy, no need to become angry..Maybe u, a disciplined guy, and  u hate and cant tolerate "nonsense" people..

Nevertheless, I see u are very motivated, hardworking, and did lots of testing...and still cant see, where gone ...err..wrong.

This topic, is about how to solve riddle, no asking for any dollar.
thanks

denzie

Happy you not take it the wrong way  :thumbsup:
My wife is Asian and she always talks about that she want a bigger nose lol....anyway. ...your riddle isn't that difficult if.... you play every spin or not ?

Denzie
As spins roll off our predictions get better

LuckoftheIrish

I understand what you are saying and agree that if you could lower variance you could have a winning method. But I am not sure how to do this.  I have tried many different bet selections and they all seem to have very bad losing streaks and variance.

RouletteGhost

the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

P.A

Quote from: martinnng on Sep 02, 09:26 AM 2015
Dear P.A,
I'd like to ask you a small question about the progression..
You note, as one of the conditions, building a progression, in your posts,  but at the same time you write all flatbet. So, what is the right way in your opinion?
Regards, M.
Quote from: martinnng on Sep 02, 09:26 AM 2015
Dear P.A,
I'd like to ask you a small question about the progression..
You note, as one of the conditions, building a progression, in your posts,  but at the same time you write all flatbet. So, what is the right way in your opinion?
Regards, M.

Hi M,

The flatbet and the progression..
ok, first thing first...

1] Bet selection.

U need a bet selection,

that, when u do testing, with FLATBET=1unit,

if bet EC, flatbet, for 111spins, testing, will only LOSE -3,or -4,or -5 units.

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Why FLATBET, and WHY LOSE?, WHY NOT WIN?

ok..
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FLATBET, that mean bet , just ONE unit..for testing the bet selection, to see whether the bet selection, condone to the house edge, CONSISTENTLY.

That mean, everytime u test that EC bet selection, it will produce only a few losses...accordingly to the math expectation, the law of probability, the law of house edge.
That cant denied by the math boys.

There will never be a BET selection, that win over the house edge, never.

So we embrace the "Only-LOSE a few chips per 111spins", as the best u could have.

The casino consistently, make sure that their wheel, always produce balanced EC result.

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IF, a bet selection, that when test for 111spins, flatbet, produce marvelous 10,20,30units, to much of your delight,

but when test further, will, produce, surprise...-10,-20,-30unit losses flatbet!..and back to the house edge. after thousands spins.

So u need a bet selection that will lose a few after 111 spins, constantly, and consistently...

That The BEST selection, u could get.

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Why losing, not winning bet selection?

Simply because, THEY CANNOT EXIST!!!

People always in denial, and try to make a bet selection that win over the edge..
after thousand of ideas, and millions of test, they still persist, and still do, today!
sort of gambling alchemy..

I am the first one to tell openly, that the bet selection, that only lose to the house EDGE, is the BEST u can lay your hand on!!!

But I do get a few scorn, due to TRYING to sell my HG..hehehee
but no one force anyone to buy from any body..caveat emptor!hehehe
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the progression.

After when u have the BET selection, [that after many-many million of "111spins/set", and they constantly losing ONLY a few units...]

Then u will highly confident that in the NEXT 111spins, if flatbet, will lose ONLY a few units,



if u highly confident that in the NEXT 111spins, if flatbet,
will lose ONLY a few units,
THEN, how are u going to build your progression AROUND,
the "only lose few unit in 111spins" bet selection.???


Do u really understand what I try to tell u???

This short lecture worth million dollar, and save u thousand of hours, of reading, testing, and head banging on table...and run around the same spot...heheee.

u may read this topic, but caution, make no bidding..hahahaa
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15849.45

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