P.A :PREACHING about HG!

[denzie]

I guess im just lucky if i read the posts of the "non-eureka" crowd. ...
34 sessions played. 32W/2L
Stop point a bust or minimum half my session br!

On my way to the lotteryshop...coz im in a luck period

[Priyanka]

P.A. - One last post from me on this thread. All the best.

[atlantis]

[P.A]

below a progression strategy by Priyanka, that quite good, and I paste them here, so everyone could learn ...

Many thanks to Priyanka.


Appreciate them.
=================

Lifetime Progression.
by Priyanka.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0


Bet selection â€" Use what one is comfortable with. OTL, FTL, 3SD whatever pleases you. To me it’s a simple bet on black always J

Level 1 â€" Flat bet on 1 unit. Until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 1 unit. Whichever is earlier. If you reach a point where you are up by 1 unit, restart the progression from level 1 again.
Level 2 â€" You will reach this stage if you have bet for 10 spins are you in negative territory. Now lets say you won 3 spins, lost 7 spins. You are in negative  of -4u. Add the unit that you are in negative and 1 u. In this example you get 5u. Flat bet 5 units until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 5 units. Whichever is earlier. If you  reach a point where you are up 5u, restart from level 1.
Level 3 â€" You will reach this if you have bet for 20 spins and you are still in negative territory. Now lets say you are combined in negative of -4u from first set and -10u from second set, add those and 1u. You will get 15u. Flat bet 15 units until you reach 10 spins or you are up by 15 units.

You can go on and on. But so far, I have stopped at Level 3, cursing my luck and started all over again. And to quote ignatus “This works”
====================
I just tried this progression on double dozens and it seems to work.

I played it like this :

Level 1 â€" Flat bet  1 unit on 2 dozens. Until you reach 10 spins, you break even or you are up by 1 unit. Whichever is earlier. If you reach a point where you are up by 1 unit or break even, restart the progression from level 1 again.
Level 2 â€" You will reach this stage if you have bet for 10 spins are you in negative territory. Calculate the amount you need to reach positive territory again and devide that by 2. So if you are 5 units down you need 6 to reach a new high,  play 3 units on 2 dozens. No need to recover in 1 spin, with double dozens you will have more winning spins.
Level 3.....................etc.......

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Did you divide the bet by 2? So if you need 10 units to recover , play 2 X 5 chips , no need to recover in 1 spin when playing double dozens.
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It is maybe interesting not to divide the bet the first 2 levels of this system. The bet size is still low and you recover almost every time. I just played 200 spins and never had to play the 3rd level.
Statistically you will win 2 out 3 bets and you only need 1 win to recover.
=====
    How exactly do you play blocks of 10? 


....here is my tweak to the original, maybe useful to some of you.

I allways play for blocks of 10.
After the first block is over I look at the result.

1 - Should I have a new high or even, I stick with 1 unit for the next block of 10 spins.

2 - should I have a minus on my high , I add the add amount missing to my high +1
      And play those units till I have reached a new high, then reset to 1 unit till 1 reach the end of my block

I allways check the outcome of the 10 spin (end of block) an decide how many units I have to bet for a new high...

Hope that helps....


========
The concept of this method on even chances is perfect.
This concept is very old,many old books illustrate it and this progression has been tested with a lot of modifications.

The conclusions are:
-it must be played in "group of seven spins" and not ten
-when you have to bet 50 units or more,you must divide your loss  by 3 and go ahead with "group of seven spins" for each third ,until complete ricovery
-win goal obtained in 80/100 spins played on the three even chances at the same time and in "differentiel",total bkr 1500 units,win goal 20 units
-the strong point of this progression is that for every group of seven,you have 72% probability of W,28% of L.
Let this % work for you in middle/long term

This is one of the best progression so far.
With this outcomes:RRRRRRRRRRRRRRB,playing Black,you win 1 unit.
The deviation is not a problem for this progression.
===
Seven spins have 128 patterns(93 W,35 L).

64 patterns win at the 1st spin,16 win at the 3rd spin,8 at the 5th,5 at the 7th= 93 units
14 lose 1 unit,14 lose 3 units,6 lose 5 units,1 lose seven units= 35 units

93/128 x 100 = 72,656%

It means that at each group of seven spins your probability of winning 1 unit(this is the goal for every group of seven) is 72,656%
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If I have well understood your post,I like your comments and way of playing.
The stop loss could be an optional.
You can play as you suggest but:you need a bkr equivalent at 5 times the table limit(in Europe almost in every Casino 3600 x 5=18000 â,¬) and I'm sure you guess why.
As I told at the beginning a lot of tests have been done in the past and even recently on groupes of 3,5,7,9,11,13.
7 is the best compromise.
The probability of losing 5 groupes of seven in a row is 0,13%!
This is a raison why a stop loss,may be higher than 50,could be interesting.
More you play "groupes of 7",more 72% of winning works for you,but also 1,35% of VIG works against you.
My first systeme is, as far my experience is concerned, the best way of playing this progression.
And don't forget to play it "in differentiel" for reducing the amount of bets.

[P.A]

Expert, may skip, as this repetitive and boring stuff,
for newbies only.
=======================




This the second Hamburg, after the first one posted, that in order.

Let see how after a variance, there will be a math expectation, or the variance repeat back to back.





this not a way to bet, but to study how variance always happen,
alternately with 'within math expectation",
and u will see the variance happen 'back to back', too!



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xxx=variance start.
yyy=variance stop.

we look for 10absolute losses.
and see whether the following 10 to 20spins, will within math expectation.

Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
02.01.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
   9.
   1.
  12.
  27.
31  .
  30.
   7
4 
13 
10 
8 
33 
8 
  16
28 
  14
  12
15 
  16
   7
  21
10 
----
31   
  25
20 
28 
   9
35 
  34
29 
----
35 
  32
6 
  19
   7
----
   9
29 
28 
  36
26 
  23
  32
15 
33 
  25
10 
----
   1
35 
31   
6 
   9
  32
   1
  21
24 
8 
24 
----
  30
  34
10 
  32
29 
17 
   7
  23
  23
20 
10 
   3
28 
11 
  12
24 
----
  25
  14
2 
28 
  21
   5
33 
26 
  34
22 
35 
   9
   9
  14
----
2 
28 
6 
28 
15 
  14
00
  25
15 
13 
  16
13 
----
33 
  34
24 
17 
  34
  16
26 
29 
   1
10 
31 
   7
   3
  21
----
13 
22 
   9
26 
  23
  34
  30
20 
26 
28 
00
  16
  36
   3
15 
----
  19
  36
  18
  36
20 
   3
  18
22 xxxxx
24 
  32
28 
22 
  32
11 
33 
----
24 
24 
35 
13 
   5
31 
6 
26  yyy=10 absolute losses.
  18
8 
8 
  34
   3
  23
  27.
29 
22 
  19
  14
   1
35 
  16
6 
----
2 
  12
15 
   9
17 
13 
2 
15 
  16
  34
  25
   5
35 
2 
00
  19
----
10 
4 
   7
13 
  18
15 
8 
  18
8 
  21
   1
8 
  21
  23
31 
----
33 
4 
   3
17 
35 
  27
  14
  18
24 
   7
4 
22 
----
  14
   1
   9
   7
28 
  21
  30
6 
17 
24 
   1
  32
2 
2 
----
   7 
26 
35 
15 
28 
17 
   1 xxx
  30
   9
  23
----
  19
   7
33 
  21
  23
  34
   7
   7 yyy=10 absolute losses.
20 
  23
4 
11 
33 
----
13 
20 
  19
00
  23
   1
22 
4 
4 
24 
  19
31 
  25
   1
   3
35 
  19 xxx
----
  21
  12
  19
   7
  12
  23
  32
----
31 
24 
   7
  32
20 
----
31 
29 
  16
  16
  19
17 
24 
  23
13 
13 
20 
  21
   5
   7
4 
31 
15 
----
  12
   9
00
4 
20 
  36
20 
10 
   3
15 
====
Anzahl Spiele:  302
H剈figkeiten:
  0   5
  1  11
  2   7
  3   8
  4   9
  5   4
  6   6
  7  15
  8   8
  9  11
10   8
11   3
12   7
13  10
14   7
15  11
16   9
17   7
18   6
19  10
20  10
21  10
22   7
23  12
24  12
25   6
26   7
27   3
28  11
29   6
30   5
31  10
32   9
33   8
34   9
35  10
36   5
Schwarz     150
Rot         147
Pair        142
Impair      155
Passe       150
Manque      147
1. Dutzend   97
2. Dutzend  111
3. Dutzend   89
1. COL      115
2. COL       90
3. COL       92
1- 3        26
4- 6        19
7- 9        34
10-12        18
13-15        28
16-18        22
19-21        30
22-24        31
25-27        16
28-30        22
31-33        27
34-36        24
1- 6        45
4- 9        53
7-12        52
10-15        46
13-18        50
16-21        52
19-24        61
22-27        47
25-30        38
28-33        49
31-36        51
Uhrzeit Spielbeginn:
15.01
Uhrzeit letzte Zahl/Spielende:
02.56

[ddarko]

How many spins have you tested your strategy on?

Thanks.

Come on P.A. change the habit of your lifetime & give the man a straight answer 

Darn it, no "sweeping it under the carpet" smiley 

[P.A]

this the third from the same the record.




let see how 10 absolute losses, variance will be followed by spins that have hit , that 'within math expectation"
or worse, variance happen back to back.


xxx=variance start.
yyy=variance stop.


Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
03.01.2001
Gewinnzahlen:
   9 xxxxx
  18
  19
  14
  21
   7
  14
  12
   1
  14 yyyy=10 absolute losses.
20  xxxxx
8 
15 
13 
   3
26 
28 
29 
29 
----
  23
  19
24 
29 
20 
29 
  12
22 
----
   7
11 
   5
  34
  27
33 
  19
28 
  18
  30
----
  21
00
  12
11 
29 
   9
  23
  18
33 
28 
4 
6 
00
----
   5
13 
26 
  18
31 
  23
  16
  32
----
2 
  12
17 
   9
33 
8 
  14
26 
  18
00
26 
  30
  36
----
  12
29 
2 
  27
  30
31 
20 
  12
  19
15 
  34
13 
  12
22 
----
  18
20 
35 
  12
2 
   1
  19
11 
33 
   5
  36
33 
6 
  32
31 
----
   1
  36
28 
6 
17 
  21
13 
  25xxxxx
  23
  19
2 
10 
  12
----
  36
   9
  32
13 
  19
  21
  30
   1
  21
  21 yyy=10 absolute losses.
33  xxx
28 
22 
22 
28 
----
  36
4 
20 
   3
35 
29 
00
  23
6 
  14
35 
13 
----
  27 yyy=10 absolute losses
  14
10 
33 
33 
4 
28 
   1
26 
  19
15 
  23
  34
   9
  16
   1
  25
----
33  xxx
   5
15 
22 
31 
   1
26 
28 
  30
22 
35 
22 
20 
29 
17 
31  yyy=10
29 
----
15 
4 
  36
8 
29 
  34
2 
00
  27
   1
  30
  19
  25
  12
  23
----
17 
29 
  27
26 
35 
  12
4 
2 
  12
  27
31 
6 
31 
17 
29 
  30
----
   5
   9
26 
   5
  16
4 
  23
6 
  34
   1
8 
  21
   5
  27
15 
33 
2 
   3
35 
35 
33 
----
  34
33 
17 
4 
13 
   1
  36
6 
35 
8 
   5
   7
29 
00
  25
  23
24 
----
15 
  34
22 
  25
20 
  12
  36
  19
8 
   5
  32
33 
  16
  34
22 
   7
----
  16
  27
  30
24  xxx
20 
6 
00
24 
13 
   1
17 
  34
15 
17 
29 
13 
  32
10 
----
26  yyy=10
  32
8 
  14
2 
   9
   1
20 
  25
20 
35 
  21
10 
   5
----
10 
  27
  27
17 
   5
  18
   9
  34
8 
11 
22 
4 
  27
13 
----
29 
20 
   3
13 
   9
22 
  34
  23
  30
13 
31 
  21 xxx
----
  30
  19
24 
  18
  25
  27
   1
  25
  12
26 
----
28 
  30
  36
  25
  34 yyy=10
6 
  30
  16
28 
   7
  36
====
Anzahl Spiele:  338
H剈figkeiten:
  0   7
  1  13
  2   8
  3   4
  4   8
  5  11
  6   9
  7   5
  8   8
  9   9
10   5
11   4
12  14
13  12
14   7
15   8
16   6
17   9
18   8
19  11
20  11
21   9
22  11
23  10
24   5
25   9
26  10
27  12
28  10
29  15
30  12
31   8
32   6
33  13
34  12
35   9
36  10
Schwarz     163
Rot         168
Pair        160
Impair      171
Passe       183
Manque      148
1. Dutzend   98
2. Dutzend  107
3. Dutzend  126
1. COL      110
2. COL      108
3. COL      113
1- 3        25
4- 6        28
7- 9        22
10-12        23
13-15        27
16-18        23
19-21        31
22-24        26
25-27        31
28-30        37
31-33        27
34-36        31
1- 6        53
4- 9        50
7-12        45
10-15        50
13-18        50
16-21        54
19-24        57
22-27        57
25-30        68
28-33        64
31-36        58
Uhrzeit Spielbeginn:
15.00
Uhrzeit letzte Zahl/Spielende:
03.02

[P.A]

Expert may skip this as it is repetitive and boring,

for newbies only.

====================
Ladies, and Gentlemen.

As u see, Variance just mean LONG LOSSES...
whether losses-in-row,

or many losses with a few wins, in between.



What u all must understand is,

We cant PREDICT, when variance will happen,..or end!

And, we cant CONTROL the variance.

we cant dictate what it should do...

we can only WAIT, for variance to happened,
and when variance happened,
we watch closely to see when the variance end..

How we know the variance has ended?

Simply the  win/lose ratio, in short span,
suddenly become almost 50/50.

say, u see 16losses with only 3hit, then the next 10spins, have 5w, and 5lose,
that mean they had balanced, within math expectation.


We can MEASURE variance...!

and we could see that after a Variance end,
the math expectation, happened,

and then variance happen again, thus alternately...

with math expectation...


The problem, is we dont know, when   the variance will end,
or when   the math expectation, will start...

say, 69red/200spins, is a variance..
if we wait for 69/200...we may not see one in our lifetime!!!

30+/100, also a variance...and we also may not see one in our life time!!!
then 50spins, or less, also a variance by itself, as I say, we can measure variance...with  a parameter.

and worst, the variance, in a certain, parameter will happen back, to back.
eg.
the 69/200, is the 30+/100variance, that happen back to back..
then again, u may not see it repeat again , in your life time!!!

variance  and math expectation,   in,   out..alternatively...


ANY progression,
could only win, when spins produce hits,
that within math expectation!

Variance will cause even the mildest progression, to be deadly!

[ozon]

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killer seqence


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[Chrisbis]

@Ozon
What was/is your bet selection?

[ozon]

After 12 L (High) I start betting on Low, using safe breaks after 4 Loses  I wait for the virtual win, progression is Labby with -60 stoplose, and I reach stoplose.

[P.A]

Ladies, and Gentlemen,
After many preaches, it dawn to me that only a handful people get it and eureka, but there still newbies cant understand what I try to convey...

The fault is mine as u see, my pathetic English, and communication skill far from satisfactory.

After criss-cross preaching , many newbies balked and even scold me for my cusy way and boring blabbering...Please pardon..
======

OK..let me put it this way..hope many will eureka after reading this.

1]bet selection that consistently hit around edge, not wild swinging.
2]mild progression
3]variance avoidance
4]cut loss.

["oh dear, not again"...I can heard some lament...hahahaaaw]

====================
let me put t this way.

Say , Tom has a strategy,
and here our conversation as he want to build a Hg out of his favorite Bet selection.
=====================================

TOM: I need to build a HG, based on your principle!
Me:What your Bet selection then.

TOM:Follow the LAST,
bet EC, RED and BLACK, I bet Black when Black hit last, so on..

Me:Ok, the variance will hit, but nevertheless, what the worst LOSING SEQUENCES that will probably hit?

TOM:Oh!...dear!  The worst , is when it chop, chop,chop, then I will LOSE for nearly TEN times, err..sometime more..then I lose my Bank roll!

Me: Then , since u know the VARIANCE risks, is chopping for around TEN time, that the worst sequences, that always hit...!

TOM:What I need to do...?That sequences always kill me.

Me: Simple, just wait for that sequences to come, and go, and then u start bet.

TOM: What!? Just that simple? Just wait for that sequences that kill me, and bet after it go away.

Me:U will see that variance, as in your bet selection, that always come and go
if u make a chart, u will see, that chop variance will ALTERNATE with the profitable sequences!

TOM: Yes! I had notice that after a long profitable spins then suddenly, the DEADLY long sequences of chop will DEFINITELY come!!!

Me: Then , why not u, dont do anything, wait for the deadly sequences to come, let it go and then bet the , as u said 'long profitable sequences'?!

TOM:EUREKA!!! I understand now!!!
Me:Oops! Not so soon!


TOM: Why not! Isnt that the way u espoused?!

Me:U need to understand , we cant predict, or control the CHOP variance, as in your 'follow the last' bet selection. The Variance will hit again, when u start your bet.

TOM: Oh!!! Yes, I noticed that...too, sometime the chop will go on for long,...I mean , after a chopping that stop, then another chopping start again, then what I need to do.???

Me:That the risk we need to face...and the truth is, there sometime, we just cant beat the IMPOSSIBLE, and need to cut loss!

TOM:But cut loss will cause HUGE LOSSES?!

Me: Thus u need very mild progression..and progression control that will cause u to lose a cut loss, session sum, that easily recovered by another few session winning...

TOM:Oh! My aggressive progression, caused my BR quickly depleted...

Me:and cant recouped, when u win the next few session...

TOM:So basically, I need to watch the VARIANCE..wait for them to happen!
BUT that LONGGGG wait?!!!

Me: Are u rushing in to LOSE money, or patiently wait to make money?
Even winning ONE unit a DAY, is very DIFFICULT, or IMPOSSIBLE for majority of people...

TOM:So after variance, come,then I see profitable sequences come, and I quickly fish out a few units and get out..heheheee!

Me:hahahaw, now u get it! But not that simple..

TOM:Thus I just need very simple and mild progression, that if I lose, when the variance come 'back-to-back', I just lose, not very much!?
And recoup, in next few profitable session?!

Me:U get it

TOM:So the most IMPORTANT , is to AVOID the VARIANCE!
Me:It the variance that kills the best bet selection, and the best progression!

TOM:What about he edge,then? Didnt he math boys....

Me: The EDGE, is the VARIANCE itself, repeated many time, 'tightly-packed',in short time sequences, thats why u see LONG profitable sequences...

TOM:EUREKA!

Me:hehehee..not that easy TOM, there still some aspect u need to study...hehehee

=============================
do u eureka now, as u understand the basis of my principle?

[P.A]

here a suggestion,
an experiment to see, how well, we could avoid, variance.

=============================
ask three persons, to throw a coin.[each person has a coin]

note down, the results, in order, of 1st, 2nd, 3rd person,
and viola, u will see the variance, will not long, and the winning will CLUSTERED, with huge win, even with flatbet.
Thus the worst is, ALL three produce VARIANCE, at the same time!..which is HIGHLY unlikely.


This also about same if we play B/R, O/E,H/L, at the same time , with a trigger.
Each bet selection, will produce variance, no doubt. But the variance will diluted , off set by the other two bet selection.

Thus when a clustered win, happen, u win with flat bet.
And if by chance. when the three have the VARIANCE together, u get killed...hehehe,
Thus a variance avoidance , a must, in whatever strategy u had.

[atlantis]

Hi PA
You showed an example of FTL betting with "Tom".
I saw 22 chops in a row last night. It could even be higher - don't know what the longest record is?
How long do you recommend "Tom" should wait then before starting to bet? Until a series form?
All I'm saying is there could be a very L-O-N-G wait.
A.

[RayManZ]

But what if you track 3 EC at the same time? Then the have more options in betting. Maybe one is chopping and the others or not.