More hit & run thoughts

[Proofreaders2000]

greed is a hard emotion to control.

That's why it's good to gamble with at least one
other person to help keep Win-Targets/Stop-Losses imo.

[MrJ]

STILL for the anti hit & run crew....I'll repeat my QUESTION >>

A) Isn't the DEFINITION of hit & run, to play for a SHORT period of time then leave? (it does not mean you endorse it).

vs.

B) Makes NO difference if you get out quickly BUT dont play for too long, the H.E. will catch up to you. By all means, limit your exposure !!



I dont see how a person can have BOTH opinions?

Ken

[ignatus]

STILL for the anti hit & run crew....I'll repeat my QUESTION >>

A) Isn't the DEFINITION of hit & run, to play for a SHORT period of time then leave? (it does not mean you endorse it).

vs.

B) Makes NO difference if you get out quickly BUT dont play for too long, the H.E. will catch up to you. By all means, limit your exposure !!



I dont see how a person can have BOTH opinions?

Ken

Most (or all?) betselections will fail in the long run, only thing i've seen survive 10 000 spins is a 2 numbers bet. (1 split) Therefore, to keep a realistic wingoal(and stoploss) is a good idea...

[MrJ]

2 numbers? .....Hmmm......no kidding?

Ken

[ignatus]

2 numbers? .....Hmmm......no kidding?

Ken

Yes. one split. I did even post it in the humor-section!

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14838.0

[Tacwell]

STILL for the anti hit & run crew....I'll repeat my QUESTION >>

A) Isn't the DEFINITION of hit & run, to play for a SHORT period of time then leave? (it does not mean you endorse it).

vs.

B) Makes NO difference if you get out quickly BUT dont play for too long, the H.E. will catch up to you. By all means, limit your exposure !!

I dont see how a person can have BOTH opinions?

Ken

What is your opinion?
Maybe it's difficult to answer due to the oxymoron in (B), "Makes NO difference if you get out quickly" vs "dont play for too long, the H.E. will catch up to you" If you remove the first part then both (A) and (B) are could be classed as h&r, and if you remove the last part then (B) is just the opposite of (A). 

(ps. I saw a graph on wizard of odds, I think, that supports what you mentioned earlier in the thread re the no. of spins to play to avoid HE.)

[psimoes]

The most interesting case of Hit n Run I had the pleasure to witness happened while I was at a table betting Red and Black. A group of chinese gamblers (not sure if their racial or ethnic group is relevant to the story but anyway) suddenly appeared and started betting BIG on all the numbers 28 to 36 of that specific table.  And I mean BIG: maximum bets on the straights, splits, quads, and the last three streets. I knew them from the Baccarat tables, but what is interesting is that roulette table sits well away from the baccarat tables, with the bar and cashier in the middle. The third dozen started hitting spin after spin and they made around 15000 euros in about twenty minutes, according to some punter. The crowd and the floor managers were all over them. Then, as suddenly as they appeared, they went back to the baccarat tables 

[MrJ]

What is your opinion?
Maybe it's difficult to answer due to the oxymoron in (B), "Makes NO difference if you get out quickly" vs "dont play for too long, the H.E. will catch up to you" If you remove the first part then both (A) and (B) are could be classed as h&r, and if you remove the last part then (B) is just the opposite of (A). 

(ps. I saw a graph on wizard of odds, I think, that supports what you mentioned earlier in the thread re the no. of spins to play to avoid HE.)

(SORRY, was busy).......I saw the same graph as you (I think). As much as I cant stand M.S., I do support most of his stats. Same message again.....the number of spins to play (then leave) to AVOID the H.E.

If it didn't matter, there should be no number of spins to AVOID !!!!!

My opinion as you asked?

ANSWER >>> I dont know (lol), I really dont. I'm torn on this subject. Maybe 65% I do believe in playing for a short period, then leave. The other 35%, it makes no difference, dont know.

My entire *POINT* of this thread was quite simple... do not say, hit & run makes no difference *AND* tell me, only play for a short period of time before the H.E. catches my a**.

Ken

[Crapshooter]

OK, so from what I'm reading here, "hit and run" means do not stay in one place too long. That is certainly a different approach than what I've been doing. I've always thought you stuck around to figure the mathematics.

[iggiv]

What kind of "mathematics"? Roulette is mathematically unbeatable.

if you find the way around this fact you could wipe this guy's nose

link:://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/challenge/

OK, so from what I'm reading here, "hit and run" means do not stay in one place too long. That is certainly a different approach than what I've been doing. I've always thought you stuck around to figure the mathematics.

[TwoCatSam]

 "doesn't my CLOCK (its a term I use) start over FRESH?", asked MrJ stroking his long, silver beard.

Just my opinion (I have not been up the mountain!), but no.  Your clock is actually a stop watch and you just pause it at five minutes and re-start it the next time you want to play.

To those who proclaim that, while they were "running", the 0/00 came five times in twelve spins--and they missed them all!  Hear me now and believe me later, if you play long enough you will be "hitting" while the 0/00 beats you to a pulp.

Samster

[MrJ]

"Hear me now and believe me later" >> Thats a good line, I'll be using it.

Ken

[Nick-the-Greek]

Surely it is all down to the system you are using, how much confidence you have in it and also the reason why you play roulette - see my recent thread re goals.

If you have the HG (A+) then you should be able to play all day, all week, all month and all year without losing your bankroll, so hit and run is irrelevant.

If you have a B- system that will eventually eat your bankroll playing hit and run tactics will just lengthen the time it takes for your money to leave you.

Nick

[iggiv]

you have never thought that hit-n-run can be embedded into the system? The same way let's say you bet last dozen for example. The same way you can skip certain amount of spins. Why not? Is it worse than betting last dozen?

I am so surprised at people believing in HG and arguing to hit-n-run. Even Wizard of Odds recognizes that hit-n-run can win, one of conditions of his challenge of billion spins winning is placing bet on EVERY SPIN. if this did not matter to him then he would not place this condition. That's a fact that Brett Morton, John Patrick and others advocate hit-n-run. Are you smarter than all these people? Have you ever been to real casino? Look how people lose fortune being ahead first but  then after that trying to win every spin for long time, and look how smarter people win playing a few spins, getting ahead and leaving. I saw so many times people saying "i was ahead a few hundred, now i lost thousand".

With some people this idea of some HG always winning is like religious dogma. They would probably be ready to die for it.
The funny thing is that some of these people do use hit-n-run tactics in real life, but hate the term for some reason. Looks like there is some physiological reason behind this. Something like kids which love to write letters to Santa Clause and don't want to believe he does not really exist.

[iggiv]

Look here. There is no better authority on gambling than Wizard of Odds.

link:://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/challenge/

"bet of at least 1 unit must be placed on every trial"

Why the hell he did not write "you can skip as many trials as you want"? Why his condition includes betting on every trial? Huh?
Because he knows that hit-n-run may work, that's why.

link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shackleford