Grassroots 123 (Streets)

[edved77]

Hello edved77,

Are your`e results for dozens?    Do not forget with this system we are only betting 24 numbers (2/3) so whilst you may be correct we would have to have been betting every time on the correct numbers.

I have looked at Live on Wm. Hill   8 sessions of 39 spins. I chose that number because our expectation is to win 26 and lose 13 - break even.
What I found using current system was that results pretty much stayed close to 2/3. Longest losing streak was 3.  Quite a few 2`s so miss next spin looks way to go.  On my experience you might as well just play the selections from 1 & 3, or 1 & 2, or 2 & 3 continuously and probably get same results.  A light progression looks a possibility as losing streaks seem to be short.

Bleep24

Hello bleep 24

No, my results were based on the 3 groups of streets that Rouletteghost chose at the start of the post. So every bet is 8 streets and the zero.

edved

[RouletteGhost]

Edved

Ive been testing more. The way u did

Against previous 3

Performs better then the original grassroots tweak of against previous 3

Will entertain a progression because im seeing a pattern of 3 repeat every 90 spins or so

So even IF we used a 139, still have good profit on a loss....

More testing....

Which by the way you had 912 losses in 80k spins which is about 1 every 90

Good bet selection i have made

[RouletteGhost]

Another way to play would be to bet the last group hit

A 12 number bet

Light progression

[RouletteGhost]

the following is an attachment from a random page in zumma

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the first chart: this is a 1 3 9 progression simulation. I AM NOT recommending this progression. I am just going to simulate some tests to SEE if it holds up

the test: 3 wide matrix, bet that the following line does not repeat. red is a total loss, green is a win with progression. each row is own game, betting against above

Outcome: 1 bust, oh well

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the 2nd chart: betting 3rd spin of the mini game only (1 3 9 progression) when the previous 2 were unique, betting the 3rd won't be unique. the denzie way, shout out to denzie, this mans got good ideas

outcome: highest step in progression was 2, no bust. good session. as a matter of fact play denzies way FLAT bet, still GOOD

Lets make some money, K?

[RouletteGhost]

edit:

idea for chart 1 betting against previous 3

bet the 1st two only. max step in progression would be limited to 2.

a total loss would cost 8 units, would recover FAST

+13 units on chart 1 if we only bet a 1, 3 progression on the 1st two bets of each mini game.

and betting this way lets say we had 2 full losses, we would still be +5 units

[mogul397]

Another 42 spins from Zumma starting at spin 43

Not sure what I want to do with this

but I am liking: when a section repeats, bet the other 2 once. So that would have been 5 wins, 2 losses. Slow I know, this is one hour of play. 1 hour of play yielding only 1 unit is eh ok, but with larger units this is A O K


213
112
321
322
311
311
013
232
312
322
133
330
122
212

These are the "dozens" as described in the opening post.  Correct?

[mogul397]

example. my first test from page 1.

how I would play "bet the other 2 after a hit"

1 hits bet 2 and 3.
2 hits bet 1 and 3.
3 hits bet 1 and 2

on a loss sit out the next spin just in case there is a streak, if there is a streak sit out until there is a new trigger (so we avoid 22222)

FLAT BET


2
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
1- sit out, just in case 2 streaks
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out, just in case 2 streaks, oh look at that its a 2, we sat out
1- waiting for 2 to end, 1 hits, begin again
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out                 
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out                   
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
1- bet 2 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
0- bet 2 and 3. LOSE, unless you have insurance on green goblin
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN

21 wins (X 4 units)
8 losses (X 8 units)

win 4 units on a win
lose 8 units on a loss

total +20

and hey its flat bet

and this is 1 hour of real play.

$200 bank with $1 units

This is representative of my last (failed) testing attempt last fall when (on paper)
I did a Labby with a bit of a jig on my picks of recent dozens.

[denzie]

Hello RouletteGhost, I like your idea and it seems amazing in terms of W/L - I looked at just under 86,000 spins and got the following results:

Total spins - 85,671
Total sets of 3 (eg - 121, 322, 123 etc) = 28,558

When counting total wins and losses, I use following criteria:

Win - a pattern of 3 does not match previous pattern of 3 (I include the zero).
Loss - Exact pattern of 3 repeats eg 123, 123

On paper, the results are superb:

Total wins - 27, 644
Total losses - 912

The streaks are even crazier:

Longest win streak = 233
Longest Loss streak = 2 [yes 2!!!]

So out of 28,558 sets of 3, the most Losses in a row was 2 (6 spins betting 8 streets and zero).  It sounds crazy but that's what Excel is telling me.  See the attached results in notepad.  As I said I include the zero.

The numbers I used were obtained from several files off here and VLS over last 12 months - all bundled together.

Just thought I'd share these findings.

As for a betting plan, how best to handle the two losses in a row which is betting on 8 streets and the zero and losing 6 straight bets.  This obviously doesn't include the next 3 spins to get the win.

Unless I've messed up somewhere in Excel, these are really good results,

Thanks for sharing rouletteghost,

Edved

So did you messed up?  Or are these results correct?  Cuz it's very impressive

[denzie]

RG ....how you play this ?

Against last group?
Against previous 3?
Against a unique?

[Tamino]

Betting 2 dozen  on the  0/00 wheel , no matter which 2 dozens have been chosen does not require much  brain power. It`s so simple  that in the eyes of a casino it is  tantamount to grand larceny.
Having  fun with dozens  since 1982 with  with half of my brain tied behind my back to be fair to the casino.


Like I said : A NO braino

.

[Big EZ]

Betting 2 dozen  on the  0/00 wheel , no matter which 2 dozens have been chosen does not require much  brain power. It`s so simple  that in the eyes of a casino it is  tantamount to grand larceny.
Having  fun with dozens  since 1982 with  with half of my brain tied behind my back to be fair to the casino.


Like I said : A NO braino

.

Could you please elaborate on the best way to do this or point me in the right direction to find the info on my own. Thanks in advance

[edved77]

So did you messed up?  Or are these results correct?  Cuz it's very impressive

These results are correct, but just to make it clear, the 1,2,3 I am referring to is rouletteghost's 4 street groups. This is not dozens.

My results bet 8 streets and zero - problem is working out a suitable bet selection/progression.

edved

[Tamino]

Big EZ


No matter what bet selection( follow the dozens or stationary dozens)  has  been  chosen stick with it n. Accept wins  as well as losses  with the same grace.

Set your win goal m and loss limit and knowing when to leave a table --------either UP or Down.

Set a low Guaranteed Win goal and  continue flat betting until the FIRST loss then ;eave the session.


P;lay  at your own risk.

[mogul397]

Big EZ


No matter what bet selection( follow the dozens or stationary dozens)  has  been  chosen stick with it n. Accept wins  as well as losses  with the same grace.

Set your win goal m and loss limit and knowing when to leave a table --------either UP or Down.

Set a low Guaranteed Win goal and  continue flat betting until the FIRST loss then ;eave the session.


P;lay  at your own risk.

So you are saying walk up. Pick 2 dozen. Bet them til you lose, and end the session?
Can you elaborate on this a bit more?

I'll re share my story about the guy I met in the 90's online who waited for 5 or 6
columbs in a row, then bet the other 2 at $500 each. And the session went one
way or the other. And it was over.

Thanks

[Tamino]

Mogul,


I have  posted that one should set a  guaranteed win  goal  and when hat one has been reached keep on betting until the first loss.


P.S. The casino pit boss syndrome: ,It`s NOT what they see  but what they THINK they see.