Grassroots 123 (Streets)

[RouletteGhost]

this system is not on dozens or columns BUT

its been discussed before (as far as patterns go)....this is like the original grassroots

stuff does get regurgitated but searching the net you can uncover things

the man is crazy with the 1 3 9 27 81, but nonetheless he is betting against fixed patterns which intrigues me and is why i made this

link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1276310414/

[SimonZed1]

the man is crazy with the 1 3 9 27 81, but nonetheless he is betting against fixed patterns which intrigues me and is why i made this

Then you must think i'm nuts with the 1-3-9-27-81-243 progression of my tweak... :-P

But still, with the right bet selection.... With my tweak, after more than 3000 live spins, I have still yet to loose... Hit and Run man!! Hit and Run!!

[RouletteGhost]

You may never lose

Or when you do you may be ahead


I hope you continue to win

But shew i could not do that progression lol

I like having normal blood pressure

[MrJ]

Then you must think i'm nuts with the 1-3-9-27-81-243 progression of my tweak... :-P

But still, with the right bet selection.... With my tweak, after more than 3000 live spins, I have still yet to loose... Hit and Run man!! Hit and Run!!

Hi SimonZed......are you messing with us, your progression?

Ken

[MrJ]

In the next month, I can create 20 new methods....all are unplayable at a CASINO (& probably unplayable on goofy RNG). I can list them if any interest is shown?

Ken

[SimonZed1]

I am probably gonna take my winnings to pay Roulette Xtreme guys to code my system maybe next week. I am tired of manually testing and I want to tests thousands of spins to know when it is gonna fail. I tested 2400 spins manually and got tired. I probably played something like 1000-1500 spins live online cause I was tired of playing and not winning anything... :-P

I'm up 240 units to date.

[edved77]

@Edved - I was thinking... Could you run your Excel simulation with 6 streets instead of 8?

Say you have the following two groups:

Group 1 streets: 1-3-5-7-9-11 (1-2-3 / 7-8-9 / 13-14-15 / 19-20-21 / 25-26-27 / 31-32-33)
Group 2 streets 2-4-6-8-10-12 (4-5-6 / 10-11-12 / 16-17-18 / 22-23-24 / 28-29-30 / 34-35-36)

And then you would bet against a pattern of 3 (212, 122, 121).

Regards - Rourke

@Rourke - ok so odd and even streets as two groups.  Ok, I will give this a go with the same original numbers I used for the previous test and will share my results. Will report back soon.

edved

[Rourke]

Thanks Edved

I've actually already made my own simulation, where you only bet 6 streets against a combination of 3 (112, 121 etc).

I've posted 100.000 spins in the enclosed spreadsheet.

The spredsheet has the following columns:

Spin: Spin number
Step: Which step in the betting progression. If you reach 3, it's a loss
Status: Win or Loose. If you win, means you would have won, one of the bets in the 3 step combination. If you loose, you would have lost all three.

Finally - If you loose, I've automatically skipped the next combinations of 3 in order to avoid a double loss. However, as it show in my results, I stille managed to get quite a few double and even triple losses.

But let's compare results and see if we can find a progression that works for this :-)

[edved77]

Thanks Edved

I've actually already made my own simulation, where you only bet 6 streets against a combination of 3 (112, 121 etc).

I've posted 100.000 spins in the enclosed spreadsheet.

The spredsheet has the following columns:

Spin: Spin number
Step: Which step in the betting progression. If you reach 3, it's a loss
Status: Win or Loose. If you win, means you would have won, one of the bets in the 3 step combination. If you loose, you would have lost all three.

Finally - If you loose, I've automatically skipped the next combinations of 3 in order to avoid a double loss. However, as it show in my results, I stille managed to get quite a few double and even triple losses.

But let's compare results and see if we can find a progression that works for this :-)

Hi Rourke,

Thanks for uploading your results, I will take a look when I get a sec.  I managed to test just over 25k sets of 3 spins today.

Conditions of test:

Group 1 streets (odd) -1,3,5,7,9,11   
Group 2 streets (even) -2,4,6,8,10,12   

A game/round is 3 spins e.g - 121 - 322 - 222 (based on above groups)

- TEST #1 - only bet the first two spins (as Roulette Ghost suggested) and hope to avoid repeats of previous pattern
- TEST #2 - like first test but bet all 3 spins
- I included zero for both test

Results

TEST #1
Bet first 2 only (inc. zero)

Total spin - 85,668
Sets of 3 - 28,556
Total set wins - 22,100
Total set losses - 6,456
Longest Win Streak - 56
Longest Lose Streak    - 6

TEST #2
Bet 3 spins (inc. zero)

Total spin - 85,668
Sets of 3 - 28,556
Total set wins - 25,505
Total set losses - 3,051
Longest Win Streak - 69
Longest Lose Streak    -5

Possible betting plan (TEST #1)??

- Bet 1 unit on 6 streets and zero (7 units total)
- On a loss, raise all bets by 1 unit
- On a win, aim for a second win, then....
- reduce all bets by 1 unit

edved

[RouletteGhost]

The win streaks against previous 3 far exceed that of original grassroots

Bet selection 

The streaks outweigh the loss even if using a prog

I will stick to the 1 3 progression on the 1st 2 bets of matrix only.

Thanks for you work i will continue to follow

[Rourke]

Nice post Edved and thanks for your results. This is really a good strategy and I like the extra touch of betting on 0 as insurance.

How ever, I don't quite agree on continuing betting after a win. To me it kind of takes the whole idea away from this strategy. A: You have already broken then sequence of 3 by winning the first or second time. And B: What if you loose... You will come out of that sequence with a loss or break-even, even though the sequence was a win.

I will do some more testing on this on a live wheel and post my results :-)

[RouletteGhost]

Nice post Edved and thanks for your results. This is really a good strategy and I like the extra touch of betting on 0 as insurance.

How ever, I don't quite agree on continuing betting after a win. To me it kind of takes the whole idea away from this strategy. A: You have already broken then sequence of 3 by winning the first or second time. And B: What if you loose... You will come out of that sequence with a loss or break-even, even though the sequence was a win.

I will do some more testing on this on a live wheel and post my results :-)

1 time a day. Big boy units. One day you may lose. One day you may win

Nature of the beast

[RouletteGhost]

i am sharing this because i dont want to see you guys lose money

i am seeing MUCH different results on the european wheel

i played tonight for fun, online (against my better judgement) $25 dollars (which i lost, just messin around for fun trying my luck). it was the mainstreet groups sun palace which is accredited by the Wizard. even though it is "accredited" there is just something about it i do not like. I wish we had a larger market. it wouldnt let me lay chips at times for no reason, weird things. id rather the $10 to $20 minimum at B and M over $1 online which i just dont really trust

anyway, i recorded my streets bet selection

In 36 spins I saw: 5 unique patterns, 2 exact repeats, and both repeats were uniques

my recommendation: if you play this on european, wait until you SEE a repeat (unique or not) then bet against it.

I cannot say if this was an anomaly but I haven't seen this on american, so I assume it is the wheel layout difference or I just haven't tested it enough. but im going with wheel layout difference

I wanted to play american but the wheel is off tonight, euro only, im crazy i know

the results:

222
131
311
322
023
332
123
132 <-----
132 <-----
231 <-----
231 <-----
333

[MrJ]

"I cannot say if this was an anomaly but I haven't seen this on american, so I assume it is the wheel layout difference" >>> or because there is one less number and the H.E. is cut in half. I dont know, I'm just throwing it out there, I could be wrong.

Ken

[Rourke]

Hi RouletteGhost.

Why would the layout of the wheel have anything to do with how sucessful this strategy is?

I've tried this strategy with both Dozens and Columns and I'm equally sucessful. I'm playing on an european wheel.

Regards - Rourke