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#### Winner

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 04:49 PM 2019
I tried your #5 idea which you said was "best":

211-2 w
121-1 w
221-111-11212-2 LLLw
211-2 w
122-1 w
222-2 w
222-2 w
122-21 Lw
1221 w
111-221 LLw
222-2 w
212-2 w
221-12 Lw
112-1 w
121-1 w
212-2 w
111-1 w
212-12 Lw
221-2 w
112-1 w
221-2 w
212-2 w
222-111-211-12 LLLLw
112-1 w
212-2 w

25 wins
Longest Losing run=4
Nice - Could be decent with suitable progression!
I stopped after each win and restart tracking on new line.

PS - OH! just realised I had bet the first leg of the starting triplet for max of 3 times - and NOT the dominant!!!!
Still it seemed to work good
EG 112 - bet the 1
EG 212 - bet the 2
EG 122 - bet the 1

A.
just remember if you lose 3 in a row stop until it breaks then re track.

#### Winner

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 04:52 PM 2019
Can’t forget I’m doing this on a double 0 wheel

#### jono1167

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 04:59 PM 2019
When I was testing the third triplet system (previous post), I was trying to work out a good way of placing bets earlier.

Obviously, Winner and Mister Eko have been posting some fantastic methods. Here’s another alternative.

This method consists of placing only two bets. At the end of the two bets, win or lose, you stop. Look for a new opportunity and restart.  The most you can lose per sequence is two bets in a row. Your first betting sequence is a 1-2 marty. If you lose the first sequence, you wait for a new opportunity and bet again. This time you increase the marty to 2-4. You bring it back to 1-2 on a win.

For this method you have to wait for a trigger. You’re betting against a pattern of three repeating itself, but you’re giving it one number in and then betting against it…..

Here’s an example….

1 2 1   1  (Trigger – bet against the pattern (blue) repeating for two bets).

1 2 1   1 2 2 (+1) Lose the first bet (red) but win on the second bet (green). Look for a new opportunity and start again.

Begin test series

2  1  2   2  2  1   (+1)
W
2  2  1  1  1  2  0  1  1  1  1  2  (+2)
W
1  2  0  1  2  0  1  1  1  1  2 (+3)
W
2  2  2  1  0  2  2  2  1  2  1  0 1  2  1  1  1   (+4)
W
1  1  2  1  2   (+5)
W
1  1  2 1 1 1   (+6)
L  W
2  1  2 2  1  1  (+7)
L W
2  2  2 2  2  1  (+8)
L W
2  1  0  2  2  2  1  2  1  2 1  1  1  1  1  2 (+9)
L W
1  2  1  1  1  (+10)
W
1  1  0  1  2  2  2  1  2  1  (+11)
W
2  2  1  1  2  2  1  2  2  2   (+12)
L  W
1  1  1  2  2  1  2  2  (+9)  1  1  (+1 separate mini-lab betting)
L  L            L  W
We lost, however the triplet pattern has just repeated itself twice. You can now bet against the appearance of the third triplet.   When betting against the appearance of the third triplet, I’m going to use the mini-lab and record the results separately.

Now back to normal betting, although you will have to increase marty to 2-4 when the next betting opportunity comes along.

2  0  2  2  1  2  1  1  2  (+11)  Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity

1  2  1  1  2  0  (+8) Increase marty to 2-4 for next betting opportunity
L  L
2  2  1  1  2  2  1  2  1  (+10)  Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity
L  W
1  1  2 1  1 1  (+11)
L W
2  2  1  0 1  2  1 1  1 (+12)
W
2  1  2    2 1  1 (+13)
L  W
2  2  1    2  2  1  (+10)    2  2  2 (-1 mini-lab separate betting)
L  L                L  L  W
Increase marty to 2-4 for next betting opportunity
2  2  1  1  1   1  1  2 (+12)
L  W
Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity
1  0  1  2  2  2    2  2  1  (+13)
L  W
2  1  1  0  1  1  1  2  1  1  1  (+14)
W
1  0  2   2  2  2  2  2  2  (+11)  1 (+3)
L  L             W
Increase marty to 2-4 for next betting opportunity
2  2  0   1  1  2    1  2  (+13)
W
Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity
2  2  2  1  2  2 2  (+14)
W
+14  (normal betting)  +3 (third triplet betting)
____________
Total +17
_____________

Quite complicated but I thought I would put it out there anyway, it won't be for everyone.  Other methods are simpler…..

Stay away from cows and boobies…..

#### Winner

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 05:03 PM 2019
When I was testing the third triplet system (previous post), I was trying to work out a good way of placing bets earlier.

Obviously, Winner and Mister Eko have been posting some fantastic methods. Here’s another alternative.

This method consists of placing only two bets. At the end of the two bets, win or lose, you stop. Look for a new opportunity and restart.  The most you can lose per sequence is two bets in a row. Your first betting sequence is a 1-2 marty. If you lose the first sequence, you wait for a new opportunity and bet again. This time you increase the marty to 2-4. You bring it back to 1-2 on a win.

For this method you have to wait for a trigger. You’re betting against a pattern of three repeating itself, but you’re giving it one number in and then betting against it…..

Here’s an example….

1 2 1   1  (Trigger – bet against the pattern (blue) repeating for two bets).

1 2 1   1 2 2 (+1) Lose the first bet (red) but win on the second bet (green). Look for a new opportunity and start again.

Begin test series

2  1  2   2  2  1   (+1)
W
2  2  1  1  1  2  0  1  1  1  1  2  (+2)
W
1  2  0  1  2  0  1  1  1  1  2 (+3)
W
2  2  2  1  0  2  2  2  1  2  1  0 1  2  1  1  1   (+4)
W
1  1  2  1  2   (+5)
W
1  1  2 1 1 1   (+6)
L  W
2  1  2 2  1  1  (+7)
L W
2  2  2 2  2  1  (+8)
L W
2  1  0  2  2  2  1  2  1  2 1  1  1  1  1  2 (+9)
L W
1  2  1  1  1  (+10)
W
1  1  0  1  2  2  2  1  2  1  (+11)
W
2  2  1  1  2  2  1  2  2  2   (+12)
L  W
1  1  1  2  2  1  2  2  (+9)  1  1  (+1 separate mini-lab betting)
L  L            L  W
We lost, however the triplet pattern has just repeated itself twice. You can now bet against the appearance of the third triplet.   When betting against the appearance of the third triplet, I’m going to use the mini-lab and record the results separately.

Now back to normal betting, although you will have to increase marty to 2-4 when the next betting opportunity comes along.

2  0  2  2  1  2  1  1  2  (+11)  Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity

1  2  1  1  2  0  (+8) Increase marty to 2-4 for next betting opportunity
L  L
2  2  1  1  2  2  1  2  1  (+10)  Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity
L  W
1  1  2 1  1 1  (+11)
L W
2  2  1  0 1  2  1 1  1 (+12)
W
2  1  2    2 1  1 (+13)
L  W
2  2  1    2  2  1  (+10)    2  2  2 (-1 mini-lab separate betting)
L  L                L  L  W
Increase marty to 2-4 for next betting opportunity
2  2  1  1  1   1  1  2 (+12)
L  W
Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity
1  0  1  2  2  2    2  2  1  (+13)
L  W
2  1  1  0  1  1  1  2  1  1  1  (+14)
W
1  0  2   2  2  2  2  2  2  (+11)  1 (+3)
L  L             W
Increase marty to 2-4 for next betting opportunity
2  2  0   1  1  2    1  2  (+13)
W
Set marty back to 1-2 for next betting opportunity
2  2  2  1  2  2 2  (+14)
W
+14  (normal betting)  +3 (third triplet betting)
____________
Total +17
_____________

Quite complicated but I thought I would put it out there anyway, it won't be for everyone.  Other methods are simpler…..

Stay away from cows and boobies…..
works well bet get some units and then switch methods .👍🏼

#### jono1167

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 05:07 PM 2019
Here are som LW results from method 5
wwlw+2
Wwww+4
Wllwww+2
Llwlwl+0
Llwlww+0
Wwwww+5
Lwwww+4
Lllww-1
Wwww+4
Wwllllw-1
Llllwww-1
Wwwlllw+1
Wllllwwwww+2
Lwwllw+0
Wwwww+5
Lwwlw+1
Lllww-1
Lllwwllllw-4
Llww+0
Wllllw-2lwwllww+1
315 spin flat as for for those who don’t like progression

Unbelievable Winner. I can't believe you're doing this on a double zero wheel. What a system!!

#### Mako

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 05:31 PM 2019
Unbelievable Winner. I can't believe you're doing this on a double zero wheel. What a system!!

Agree, pretty incredible.  Imagine how well it must do on a French 0 wheel with La Partage...

#### atlantis

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 06:06 PM 2019
I tried your #5 idea which you said was "best":

211-2 w
121-1 w
221-111-11212-2 LLLw
211-2 w
122-1 w
222-2 w
222-2 w
122-21 Lw
1221 w
111-221 LLw
222-2 w
212-2 w
221-12 Lw
112-1 w
121-1 w
212-2 w
111-1 w
212-12 Lw
221-2 w
112-1 w
221-2 w
212-2 w
222-111-211-12 LLLLw
112-1 w
212-2 w

25 wins
Longest Losing run=4
Nice - Could be decent with suitable progression!
I stopped after each win and restart tracking on new line.

PS - OH! just realised I had bet the first leg of the starting triplet for max of 3 times - and NOT the dominant!!!!
Still it seemed to work good
EG 112 - bet the 1
EG 212 - bet the 2
EG 122 - bet the 1

A.

Another session - same method as above (winner's #5 idea with my adjustment):

221-12w
121-221LLw
212-2w
211-2w
212-2w
112-1w
222-2w
121-21Lw
121-1w
212-112LLw
122-1w
122-1w
222-2w
111-2222121-1LLLw
211-12Lw
222-112LLw
211-2w
111-21Lw
122-21Lw
222-2w
222-1111221LLLw
112-1w
212-2w
221-112LLw
221-12Lw
112-1w
112-1w
111-1w
222-2w
112-21Lw
221-1111111221-2LLLw
222-1111212-2LLLw
222-2w
122-1w

34 wins.
25 loss.
= +9 flatbet

More with suitable progression.
A.
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#### jono1167

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 06:14 PM 2019
Another session - same method as above (winner's #5 idea with my adjustment):

221-12w
121-221LLw
212-2w
211-2w
212-2w
112-1w
222-2w
121-21Lw
121-1w
212-112LLw
122-1w
122-1w
222-2w
111-2222121-1LLLw
211-12Lw
222-112LLw
211-2w
111-21Lw
122-21Lw
222-2w
222-1111221LLLw
112-1w
212-2w
221-112LLw
221-12Lw
112-1w
112-1w
111-1w
222-2w
112-21Lw
221-1111111221-2LLLw
222-1111212-2LLLw
222-2w
122-1w

34 wins.
25 loss.
= +9 flatbet

More with suitable progression.
A.

I'll take +9 flat bet any day. Very minimal risk. Nice result!

#### Andre Chass

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 10:21 PM 2019
I tried your #5 idea which you said was "best":

211-2 w
121-1 w
221-111-11212-2 LLLw
211-2 w
122-1 w
222-2 w
222-2 w
122-21 Lw
1221 w
111-221 LLw
222-2 w
212-2 w
221-12 Lw
112-1 w
121-1 w
212-2 w
111-1 w
212-12 Lw
221-2 w
112-1 w
221-2 w
212-2 w
222-111-211-12 LLLLw
112-1 w
212-2 w

25 wins
Longest Losing run=4
Nice - Could be decent with suitable progression!
I stopped after each win and restart tracking on new line.

PS - OH! just realised I had bet the first leg of the starting triplet for max of 3 times - and NOT the dominant!!!!
Still it seemed to work good
EG 112 - bet the 1
EG 212 - bet the 2
EG 122 - bet the 1

A.

Why not betting the dominant on this EG 122?

I use a similar system when I'm playing baccarat. This is an old system.

EX: BPP  I bet 3 times P

The advantage of playin baccarat using this system is that there's no zero.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

#### Winner

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 10:39 PM 2019

Why not betting the dominant on this EG 122?

I use a similar system when I'm playing baccarat. This is an old system.

EX: BPP  I bet 3 times P

The advantage of playin baccarat using this system is that there's no zero.
Zeros don’t effect these method and I only play double 00 and it does well . In 50000 trials never seen 18 in row of any paired group.
Triplets have  never seen 6 in row so the zeros help breakup the pattern just like the ties in Baccarat. So I no for a fact what the wheel doesn’t do.its just a matter finding what It does often.

#### Winner

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 10:53 PM 2019
Another session - same method as above (winner's #5 idea with my adjustment):

221-12w
121-221LLw
212-2w
211-2w
212-2w
112-1w
222-2w
121-21Lw
121-1w
212-112LLw
122-1w
122-1w
222-2w
111-2222121-1LLLw
211-12Lw
222-112LLw
211-2w
111-21Lw
122-21Lw
222-2w
222-1111221LLLw
112-1w
212-2w
221-112LLw
221-12Lw
112-1w
112-1w
111-1w
222-2w
112-21Lw
221-1111111221-2LLLw
222-1111212-2LLLw
222-2w
122-1w

34 wins.
25 loss.
= +9 flatbet

More with suitable progression.
A.
I got +5 from you ex Atlantis still good for.fb

#### Andre Chass

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 13, 11:23 PM 2019
WINNER

1 2 1  2 (one virtual loss) and bet the dominant (1) using a two steps progression.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

#### Andre Chass

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 14, 12:19 AM 2019
Can someone test it? FB or using progression

When you see:

B  B  bet B  - if win, start again

R R bet R  - if win, start again

When you lose you can use a progression waiting for a hit.

B B R lose - start the progression
R R B lose - second step of the progression
B B B win - third step of the progression

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

#### Andre Chass

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 14, 12:32 AM 2019
When you see: B B or R R

B  B  bet B  - if win, start again

R R bet R  - if win, start again

When you lose you can use a progression waiting for a hit.

For example:

B B R lose (wait for another trigger) - start the progression
R R B lose (wait for another trigger) - second step of the progression
B B B win - third step of the progression
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

#### Andre Chass

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##### Re: Beating the even money
Mar 14, 12:44 AM 2019
I'm sorry . I forgot to mention something.

Wait for 3 or 2 virtual losses.

Ex

B B R first virtual loss
B B R second virtual loss
R R B third virtual loss

Start

The goal is to have

BBB
or RRR
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

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