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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 06:27 AM 2019
Great  job  jono 1167
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 07:24 AM 2019
Hi Jono, very good job indeed but i have a few queries:
 a)  I can see that the bold trigger has always to match with 1st leg of previous triplet  but how you pick this base triplet in a session? You track always for the appearance of xxx+x to start betting?
 b) You stick  to 1-2 prog for 2 first bets, dont go for 2-4 on a loss  anymore?
 c) How exactly you play the mini lab (eg 1st blue triplet 111 minus, how you bet next blues, can you give a short example with few of them)?

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 08:08 AM 2019

Hi Loukoumas,

Yes that is how I am playing it, but you don't need to restrict to lines of 9 as I showed in Mister Eko's results.
Just track the 'pair' results until you see ANY double triplet trigger eg:

112211222111221(112112)12  = LW

HINT: Do it on a rolling basis - always look back at the last six results in the tracking history to check for the next double triplet trigger...

A.

I just mention, though it pretty obvious, that to cut down on waiting time and increase number of bet opportunities can separately track RB and OE EC results and bet after formation of double 'triplets' on those too. :)
Easier with a tracker prog or sheet though ;)
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 08:46 AM 2019
Hi Winner, based on your post describing the magic 30 on page 40, when you record the results,do you bet every spin after the first 3 or every other spin?
EG: LLLLHLHLHL would give chop run scenario 222111111 (what I've been looking at, recording the chops and runs after every new number), or every two spins 22111 (what seems to be the case after reading deeper, recording chops and runs after every pair of numbers.).

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 09:09 AM 2019
Hi Winner, based on your post describing the magic 30 on page 40, when you record the results,do you bet every spin after the first 3 or every other spin?
EG: LLLLHLHLHL would give chop run scenario 222111111 (what I've been looking at, recording the chops and runs after every new number), or every two spins 22111 (what seems to be the case after reading deeper, recording chops and runs after every pair of numbers.).

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Yes I play continuously

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 09:36 AM 2019
Ok thanks, I was asking because I made a webpage that calculates the next suggestion using the same method, open up the html file in your browser of choice and choose the EC you want to play, you then input the first 4 results to see what to bet next. Default game is Baccarat and default progression is Martingale.
Enjoy

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 09:40 AM 2019
Ok thanks, I was asking because I made a webpage that calculates the next suggestion using the same method, open up the html file in your browser of choice and choose the EC you want to play, you then input the first 4 results to see what to bet next. Default game is Baccarat and default progression is Martingale.
Enjoy
nice Thanks.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 09:42 AM 2019
I just mention, though it pretty obvious, that to cut down on waiting time and increase number of bet opportunities can separately track RB and OE EC results and bet after formation of double 'triplets' on those too. :)
Easier with a tracker prog or sheet though ;)
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This is why you have to figure out how to blend the choice of play with a play to while the time.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 02:13 PM 2019
So what does all this testing teach us as far as games with uneven payouts .
The longer you play the greater the chance of losing .The  shorter the sessions the greater chance of winning.
+4 at 50 place bets is ideal .if your on a streak just keep playing but never give all back ,never go below +4.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 02:48 PM 2019
Hi Jono, very good job indeed but i have a few queries:
 a)  I can see that the bold trigger has always to match with 1st leg of previous triplet  but how you pick this base triplet in a session? You track always for the appearance of xxx+x to start betting?
 b) You stick  to 1-2 prog for 2 first bets, dont go for 2-4 on a loss  anymore?
 c) How exactly you play the mini lab (eg 1st blue triplet 111 minus, how you bet next blues, can you give a short example with few of them)?

No worries. I’ll answer your queries. To begin with, I came up with this method when I was testing Atlantis’ method of betting against the third triplet appearing. There’s a lot of waiting around in that method, so this provides opportunities whilst waiting for that third triplet to appear.

A) correct, I just wait for the first triplet to begin repeating itself. E.g. 2 1 1  2..... Start betting here because the first triplet has begun repeating.

B) Correct, I now just use the 1 2 Marty. If I have two losses, I take the -3 units and move on. This is the most you can lose at this stage.

C) I’ll explain the mini-lab. At this stage, the string will look like this: 2 1 1  2 1 1. You now begin to bet against the appearance of the third triplet appearing. This will last for three bets. Of course, the triplet could repeat again, in which case you would end up betting against the triplet appearing for the fourth time. This is very rare and it hasn’t happened to me yet, but no doubt it will in the future.

Anyway, at this stage we’re betting against the triplet appearing for the third time. 2 1 1  2 1 1. I record these bets separately using the mini lab.

The first mini-lab bet is 1-1 (1+1 =2). We lose. (String now looks like this: 2 1 1  2 1 1  2). The second mini-lab bet is 1-1-2 (1 + 2. Add two outside numbers). We lose again. (String now looks like this: 2 1 1  2 1 1  2 1). The third mini-lab bet is 1-1-2-3 (1 + 4 Add two outside numbers). We win. (LLW -1). The string now looks like this:  2 1 1  2 1 1  2 1 2.
Remember, next time you use the mini-lab,  it carries over, it will look like this: 1-2-3. Your first bet will be four.

That’s it.... The method isn’t perfect but it’s what I’ve been experimenting with. If you can improve it, please do.

For now I’m going to test Winners ‘Dominant 3’ method. I’ll post results later...

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 02:55 PM 2019
Very clever, Jono = I like your use of the mini-lab when playing against the repeating triplet! Good stuff. A.
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 15, 09:56 PM 2019
No worries. I’ll answer your queries. To begin with, I came up with this method when I was testing Atlantis’ method of betting against the third triplet appearing. There’s a lot of waiting around in that method, so this provides opportunities whilst waiting for that third triplet to appear.

A) correct, I just wait for the first triplet to begin repeating itself. E.g. 2 1 1  2..... Start betting here because the first triplet has begun repeating.

B) Correct, I now just use the 1 2 Marty. If I have two losses, I take the -3 units and move on. This is the most you can lose at this stage.

C) I’ll explain the mini-lab. At this stage, the string will look like this: 2 1 1  2 1 1. You now begin to bet against the appearance of the third triplet appearing. This will last for three bets. Of course, the triplet could repeat again, in which case you would end up betting against the triplet appearing for the fourth time. This is very rare and it hasn’t happened to me yet, but no doubt it will in the future.

Anyway, at this stage we’re betting against the triplet appearing for the third time. 2 1 1  2 1 1. I record these bets separately using the mini lab.

The first mini-lab bet is 1-1 (1+1 =2). We lose. (String now looks like this: 2 1 1  2 1 1  2). The second mini-lab bet is 1-1-2 (1 + 2. Add two outside numbers). We lose again. (String now looks like this: 2 1 1  2 1 1  2 1). The third mini-lab bet is 1-1-2-3 (1 + 4 Add two outside numbers). We win. (LLW -1). The string now looks like this:  2 1 1  2 1 1  2 1 2.
Remember, next time you use the mini-lab,  it carries over, it will look like this: 1-2-3. Your first bet will be four.

That’s it.... The method isn’t perfect but it’s what I’ve been experimenting with. If you can improve it, please do.

For now I’m going to test Winners ‘Dominant 3’ method. I’ll post results later...

Good job jono mate  :thumbsup:

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 16, 12:47 AM 2019
Dominant 3 System (Winner)

I have just finished testing Winners’s ‘Dominant 3 System’. I had a horror run at the end, but the system still finished positive.

I tested all numbers with the common money management systems. Full results below....

1,1,2 - 2,2,1        LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,1,1        LLL -3
1,1,1 - 1              W +1
1,1,1 - 1              W +1
1,2,1  - 2,0,1      LLW -1
2,0,1,1 - 2,1       LW 0
2,1,2 - 2            W+1
2,1,2, 2              W+1
2,2,1 - 2            W+1
2,2,2 - 2          W+1
2,2,2, - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1, - 1.           W+1
1,2,0,1, - 1        W+1
1,2,1, - 2, 1       LW 0
2,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,2 - 2           W+1
2,1,2 - 2          W+1
2,1,2 - 1,2      LW 0
1,2,1 - 1         W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1    LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,2     LW 0
1,2,1 - 1        W+1
1,1,2 - 2,2,1     W+1
2,2,1 - 1,1,2    LLW -1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,2     LLL-3
2,2,2 - 1,2       LW 0
1,2,2 - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1 - 2,2,1     LLW -1
2,2,1 - 2          W+1
2,2,2 - 2         W+1
2,1,1 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,2,1 - 1           W+1
1,2,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 2,2,1     LLW-1
2,2,1 - 1,1,2     LLW-1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 0,1         LW 0
0,1,2,2 - 1,1,1  LLL-3
1,1,1 - 2,1         W+1
2,1,1 - 2,2,2     LLL-3
2,2,2- 1,1,2      LLW-1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,2 - 2,1        LW 0
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 1.          W+1
1,2,1 - 2,1        LW 0
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1      LLW-1
2,2,1 - 2          W+1
2,1,2 - 2          W+1
2,2,2 - 1,1,1     LLL-3
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1      W+1
2,2,1 - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1,l - 1          W+1
1,1,2 - 2,1         LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1         LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1        LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1        LW 0
2,1,0,1 - 2,2,1  LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,1,0     LLL-3
1,1,0,1 - 1         W+1
1,2,2 - 2           W+1
2,2,1 - 1,1,0     LLL-3
1,1,0,1 - 2,2,2  LLL-3
2,2,2 - 0,0,1    LLL-3
0,0,1,2,2 - 2    W+1
2,2,1, - 2         W+1
2,1,1 - 1           W+1

Results
130 spins
Flat bet: + 9
Limited Marty (1-2-4. Stop): +10
Unlimited Marty (1,2,4,6,16....) +73
Mini lab: +66
Best of five: +26

I thought the mini-lab or best of five worked best. The unlimited Marty had to survive a progression at 128, so it was risky. The only one I didn’t test was the D’ambert. I will test that later.

Any system which gives a profit flat bet is powerful. If not for the bad run at the end, the flat bet was due for around 20 units profit.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 16, 07:19 AM 2019
Dominant 3 System (Winner)

I have just finished testing Winners’s ‘Dominant 3 System’. I had a horror run at the end, but the system still finished positive.

I tested all numbers with the common money management systems. Full results below....

1,1,2 - 2,2,1        LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,1,1        LLL -3
1,1,1 - 1              W +1
1,1,1 - 1              W +1
1,2,1  - 2,0,1      LLW -1
2,0,1,1 - 2,1       LW 0
2,1,2 - 2            W+1
2,1,2, 2              W+1
2,2,1 - 2            W+1
2,2,2 - 2          W+1
2,2,2, - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1, - 1.           W+1
1,2,0,1, - 1        W+1
1,2,1, - 2, 1       LW 0
2,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,2 - 2           W+1
2,1,2 - 2          W+1
2,1,2 - 1,2      LW 0
1,2,1 - 1         W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1    LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,2     LW 0
1,2,1 - 1        W+1
1,1,2 - 2,2,1     W+1
2,2,1 - 1,1,2    LLW -1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,2     LLL-3
2,2,2 - 1,2       LW 0
1,2,2 - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1 - 2,2,1     LLW -1
2,2,1 - 2          W+1
2,2,2 - 2         W+1
2,1,1 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,2,1 - 1           W+1
1,2,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 2,2,1     LLW-1
2,2,1 - 1,1,2     LLW-1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 0,1         LW 0
0,1,2,2 - 1,1,1  LLL-3
1,1,1 - 2,1         W+1
2,1,1 - 2,2,2     LLL-3
2,2,2- 1,1,2      LLW-1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,2 - 2,1        LW 0
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 1.          W+1
1,2,1 - 2,1        LW 0
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1      LLW-1
2,2,1 - 2          W+1
2,1,2 - 2          W+1
2,2,2 - 1,1,1     LLL-3
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1      W+1
2,2,1 - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1,l - 1          W+1
1,1,2 - 2,1         LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1         LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1        LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1        LW 0
2,1,0,1 - 2,2,1  LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,1,0     LLL-3
1,1,0,1 - 1         W+1
1,2,2 - 2           W+1
2,2,1 - 1,1,0     LLL-3
1,1,0,1 - 2,2,2  LLL-3
2,2,2 - 0,0,1    LLL-3
0,0,1,2,2 - 2    W+1
2,2,1, - 2         W+1
2,1,1 - 1           W+1

Results
130 spins
Flat bet: + 9
Limited Marty (1-2-4. Stop): +10
Unlimited Marty (1,2,4,6,16....) +73
Mini lab: +66
Best of five: +26

I thought the mini-lab or best of five worked best. The unlimited Marty had to survive a progression at 128, so it was risky. The only one I didn’t test was the D’ambert. I will test that later.

Any system which gives a profit flat bet is powerful. If not for the bad run at the end, the flat bet was due for around 20 units profit.

Jono, can you explain how the mini lab works? Thank you!

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 16, 08:58 AM 2019
Dominant 3 System (Winner)

I have just finished testing Winners’s ‘Dominant 3 System’. I had a horror run at the end, but the system still finished positive.

I tested all numbers with the common money management systems. Full results below....

1,1,2 - 2,2,1        LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,1,1        LLL -3
1,1,1 - 1              W +1
1,1,1 - 1              W +1
1,2,1  - 2,0,1      LLW -1
2,0,1,1 - 2,1       LW 0
2,1,2 - 2            W+1
2,1,2, 2              W+1
2,2,1 - 2            W+1
2,2,2 - 2          W+1
2,2,2, - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1, - 1.           W+1
1,2,0,1, - 1        W+1
1,2,1, - 2, 1       LW 0
2,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,2 - 2           W+1
2,1,2 - 2          W+1
2,1,2 - 1,2      LW 0
1,2,1 - 1         W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1    LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,2     LW 0
1,2,1 - 1        W+1
1,1,2 - 2,2,1     W+1
2,2,1 - 1,1,2    LLW -1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,2     LLL-3
2,2,2 - 1,2       LW 0
1,2,2 - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1 - 2,2,1     LLW -1
2,2,1 - 2          W+1
2,2,2 - 2         W+1
2,1,1 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,2,1 - 1           W+1
1,2,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 2,2,1     LLW-1
2,2,1 - 1,1,2     LLW-1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 0,1         LW 0
0,1,2,2 - 1,1,1  LLL-3
1,1,1 - 2,1         W+1
2,1,1 - 2,2,2     LLL-3
2,2,2- 1,1,2      LLW-1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,2 - 2,1        LW 0
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 1           W+1
1,1,2 - 1           W+1
1,2,1 - 1.          W+1
1,2,1 - 2,1        LW 0
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1      LLW-1
2,2,1 - 2          W+1
2,1,2 - 2          W+1
2,2,2 - 1,1,1     LLL-3
1,1,1 - 1            W+1
1,1,1 - 2,2,1      W+1
2,2,1 - 1,2        LW 0
1,2,1,l - 1          W+1
1,1,2 - 2,1         LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1         LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1        LW 0
2,1,1 - 2,1        LW 0
2,1,0,1 - 2,2,1  LLW -1
2,2,1 - 1,1,0     LLL-3
1,1,0,1 - 1         W+1
1,2,2 - 2           W+1
2,2,1 - 1,1,0     LLL-3
1,1,0,1 - 2,2,2  LLL-3
2,2,2 - 0,0,1    LLL-3
0,0,1,2,2 - 2    W+1
2,2,1, - 2         W+1
2,1,1 - 1           W+1

Results
130 spins
Flat bet: + 9
Limited Marty (1-2-4. Stop): +10
Unlimited Marty (1,2,4,6,16....) +73
Mini lab: +66
Best of five: +26

I thought the mini-lab or best of five worked best. The unlimited Marty had to survive a progression at 128, so it was risky. The only one I didn’t test was the D’ambert. I will test that later.

Any system which gives a profit flat bet is powerful. If not for the bad run at the end, the flat bet was due for around 20 units profit.
Hey jono nice job . The couple mistakes I noticed is when you get 3 Ls in a row you need to stop and wait for a break ,this is what I have done and it works .i mentioned this when I wrote the system 3 .
Here is the end where you 9 Ls IN a row.
221-110 lll stop until It breaks
1101-222 here it broke on the 2 following another 22 win
Now here
222-001 LLL stop
001-222 break on the 2 following another 22 win
Hope this helps .
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