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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 12:07 AM 2019
Reality Shock

Dominant system.  Flat bet
Live wheel
Real money
Chip value $10
Session time around 2h00m playing

1,2,1-1.    W+1
2,1,1-2,2,2.    LLL-3
1,1,0,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,1,1    LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.  LLw-1
1,1,2-1.  W+1
1,2,2-1,2.  Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,2,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-2.   W+1
2,2,1-1,1,1.   LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLW-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,2,2.   LLL-3

Profit -9



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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 12:38 AM 2019
Reality Shock

Dominant system.  Flat bet
Live wheel
Real money
Chip value $10
Session time around 2h00m playing

1,2,1-1.    W+1
2,1,1-2,2,2.    LLL-3
1,1,0,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,1,1    LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.  LLw-1
1,1,2-1.  W+1
1,2,2-1,2.  Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,2,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-2.   W+1
2,2,1-1,1,1.   LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLW-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,2,2.   LLL-3

Profit -9
121
121-3
122nb
211+1
011+2
112+3done session
212nb
121+1
112+2
121+3done session

122nb
121+1
222+2
212+3
112+4 done
121nb
212+1
122+2
112+3
122+4 done
222nb
212+1
222+2
111+3
121+4 done
211nb
221+1
211+2
212+3
111+4 done
Here are your number Andre +4 is win target as you can see when I’m done I do not finish with the rest of the numbers in the session.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 12:57 AM 2019
121
121-3
122nb
211+1
011+2
112+3done session
212nb
121+1
112+2
121+3done session

122nb
121+1
222+2
212+3
112+4 done
121nb
212+1
122+2
112+3
122+4 done
222nb
212+1
222+2
111+3
121+4 done
211nb
221+1
211+2
212+3
111+4 done
Here are your number Andre +4 is win target as you can see when I’m done I do not finish with the rest of the numbers in the session.

Nope, I recorded wrong.

1,2,1-1.    W+1
1,1,1-2,2,2.    LLL-3 it's num 1
1,1,0,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,1,1    LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.  LLw-1
1,1,2-1.  W+1
1,2,2-1,2.  Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,2,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-2.   W+1
2,2,1-1,1,1.   LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLW-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,2,2.   LLL-3

Profit -9
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 01:41 AM 2019
Guys,

I just finished a 55 spin session of the dominant system. I hit a bad stretch and the mini lab increased alarmingly in a short space of time. Although it recovered, if I was playing with real money, I wouldn’t have had the nerve to keep going.

For that reason,  I’m not going to use the mini lab again....

Having said that, the flat-bet still finished with a profit.

I’m now going to try the d’alembert. It might not increase as quickly as the Labouchère. I’ll post the full results of  today’s session tomorrow when I can access my computer.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 01:49 AM 2019
Reality Shock

Dominant system.  Flat bet
Live wheel
Real money
Chip value $10
Session time around 2h00m playing

1,2,1-1.    W+1
2,1,1-2,2,2.    LLL-3
1,1,0,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,1,1    LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.  LLw-1
1,1,2-1.  W+1
1,2,2-1,2.  Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-1,1,2.   LLw-1
1,2,2-1,2.   Lw0
1,2,2-2.   W+1
2,1,2-2.   W+1
2,2,1-1,1,1.   LLL-3
2,1,2-1,1,2.   LLW-1
1,1,2-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-2,1.   Lw0
2,1,1-1.   W+1
1,1,2-2,2,2.   LLL-3

Profit -9

Sorry Andre.

Thanks for posting the results. It’s good to hear the good and bad.

I was just about to test the dominant system with the d’lalembert. I wonder how your numbers would have gone with this?

Overall I’m very cautious and I would rather take the occasional loss flat-bet than take a huge hit when a progression fails.

You have played a few games now. Are you up overall?

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 05:57 AM 2019
121
121-3
122nb
211+1
011+2
112+3done session
212nb
121+1
112+2
121+3done session

122nb
121+1
222+2
212+3
112+4 done
121nb
212+1
122+2
112+3
122+4 done
222nb
212+1
222+2
111+3
121+4 done
211nb
221+1
211+2
212+3
111+4 done
Here are your number Andre +4 is win target as you can see when I’m done I do not finish with the rest of the numbers in the session.

I don't see any sense here.
It seems you changed mostly the results just to fit in your system. No offense.
When we lose 3 times in a row we have to track and just wait for a change (in this case a "1" to happen)
112-22222221 - Ok here is the CHANGE- wait for 2 more pair results to complete the triplet:
112-2222222121 - Now take the last triplet - 121 - take the dominant again which is 1 and bet another 3 times on the 1 eg:

By the way what's "nb"? And for what it is?
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 06:46 AM 2019
Andre,

The thing is - winner's system and any or all of the variations posted cannot ALWAYS win by flatbet alone and EVERY TIME. This should not be so much of a shock to anybody; winner already said as much and even stated you can only really win by using some kind of progression...
I find the results aren't too bad with any of the ideas. You do get regular wins. The losses will happen as you showed but even those might be contained if using a clever type of progression. However - It is a LONG LOSING RUN that is going to kill it and if using standard marti will prove quite COSTLY when it does happen.
I posted the idea of wait until 2 same triplets then bet against a third same happening  because of the fact that 6 triplets of same in a row was very, very rare - but still, to win overall requires use of a progression because you do not know at what step of the betting line the win will eventually come...

212-212-1w

122-122-2w

121-121-11Lw

121-121-11Lw

111-111-112LLw

121-121-121-122 LLLLLw

Regards,
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 07:19 AM 2019
I don't see any sense here.
It seems you changed mostly the results just to fit in your system. No offense.


By the way what's "nb"? And for what it is?

I think nb means "no bet" while he waits for something to happen. Then he bets accordingly.

But whether you bet patterns according to what just happened, or just bet the same colour all the time, or use something like Downtown's matrix, it is all exactly the same thing.

You can make some steady money with a Marty with any bet selection until it blows up on you.

Personally if you are going to bet on EC, I like the matrix. As good as any other, but psychologically, it takes the pressure off bet selection ideas or changing them around etc.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 09:02 AM 2019
@Andre how much money do think you can make flat betting in 50 spins ?

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 09:16 AM 2019
I don't see any sense here.
It seems you changed mostly the results just to fit in your system. No offense.
When we lose 3 times in a row we have to track and just wait for a change (in this case a "1" to happen)
112-22222221 - Ok here is the CHANGE- wait for 2 more pair results to complete the triplet:
112-2222222121 - Now take the last triplet - 121 - take the dominant again which is 1 and bet another 3 times on the 1 eg:

By the way what's "nb"? And for what it is?
It seems you changed mostly the results just to fit you system.
To quote Bruce Lee
You put water into a cup it becomes the cup
You put water into a tea pot it becomes the tea pot
You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle
Be water my friend .
I can only give the boat to cross the river then it’s up to you to cross.
Be aware of the 🐊 they can kill you.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 10:19 AM 2019
Air ball last night
212 111 +1 222 +2 0212 +3 111+4. 12.   
111 1101 -7 221  222+1 122 +2  22
221 212+1 2202+2 222-7 222121
121 -7 211+1 0100+2 202+3 120+4 2 lots of zero
112 2022+1 112+2 122+3 221+4 2112
2hrs play
+16

       

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 01:25 PM 2019
It seems you changed mostly the results just to fit you system.
To quote Bruce Lee
You put water into a cup it becomes the cup
You put water into a tea pot it becomes the tea pot
You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle
Be water my friend .
I can only give the boat to cross the river then it’s up to you to cross.
Be aware of the 🐊 they can kill you.

To quote Friedrich Nietzsche

People don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.

And the truth is nobody can beat roulette in long term.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 01:25 PM 2019
My Agaianst, and Same betting type works not bad, but you must know when to switch. I choose 222 and 111 no bet because of long series of 1111111 or 2222222 or 111222111222. Rather no bet. But see when I switch.


2,2,1, (A) 2,2,1, -3 A 1,1,2, +0 A 2,1,1, +1 S 2,1,2, +2 S 1,2,1, +5 A 2,2,1, +4 S 1,1,2, +2 A 2,2,2, +3 nb 1,1,1, nb 2,1,1, A 2,2,1, +2 S 2,2,1, +5 A 1,1,2, +8 A 2,1,2, +7 S 2,1,2, +10 A 2,2,2, nb

Flatbet +10

Hi Mister Eko,
Great idea!
Could you clarify a bit more on the trigger you use to switch between A and S please?
I like your idea of no-bet the 111 and 222 combo's too.
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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 01:27 PM 2019
To quote Friedrich Nietzsche

People don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.

And the truth is nobody can beat roulette in long term.
Is long term 1 day 100 years .I always laugh at this when gamblers lose.

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Re: Beating the even money
Mar 17, 01:38 PM 2019
Andre,

The thing is - winner's system and any or all of the variations posted cannot ALWAYS win by flatbet alone and EVERY TIME. This should not be so much of a shock to anybody; winner already said as much and even stated you can only really win by using some kind of progression...
I find the results aren't too bad with any of the ideas. You do get regular wins. The losses will happen as you showed but even those might be contained if using a clever type of progression. However - It is a LONG LOSING RUN that is going to kill it and if using standard marti will prove quite COSTLY when it does happen.
I posted the idea of wait until 2 same triplets then bet against a third same happening  because of the fact that 6 triplets of same in a row was very, very rare - but still, to win overall requires use of a progression because you do not know at what step of the betting line the win will eventually come...

212-212-1w

122-122-2w

121-121-11Lw

121-121-11Lw

111-111-112LLw

121-121-121-122 LLLLLw

Regards,
A.

Hi Atlantis,

I know that, but I think all the systems look the same at the end of the day.

Some systems just delay the losses.
And it makes us feel like we're in control of the game.

Using progression you win more but when you lose, you lose big.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

 

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