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Beating the even money

Started by Winner, Jan 23, 10:45 AM 2019

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atlantis

Today it struck me that maybe we could use the Arithmetical Progressions from the VDW math-based theorem on 9 'pair results' somehow. This is a 'binary' game of 1's and 2's so it would apply to this EC system.
Might be necessary to no-bet or completely rule out the ones that would indicate "mutual bets" in the 7-8-9 range.
I wonder if this could be used to advantage by getting a small edge even just flatbetting? Thoughts anyone?
A.
Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

RayManZ

1   
2   W
2   W
2   W
2   W
1   L
2   W
1   L
2   W
2   L
2   W
1   L
1   L
1   W
1   W
1   W
2   L
1   L

+3 flat bet.

Mako

Nice Ray, where are your test numbers coming from RNG, or actual wheel spins?  Keep it up, you're hitting beyond expectation so far.  :thumbsup:

atlantis

EXAMPLE

VDW theory applied to winner's 'pair results'

Flatbet playing AP's up to 6 results only (no mutual bets)
On a win/loss use last 2 outcomes towards tracking next AP. (Winkels idea - captures streaks)
Possibility to use progression after an L??

I use RayManZ last 2 session results:


1   
2
1
2
1 W 1-3-5
1
1 W 2-3-4
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
2 L 1-2-3
1
2
end of spins

+9




1   
2   

2   W 2-3-4
2   W 1-2-3
1   
2   
1   
2   W 1-3-5
2   
2   W 2-3-4
1   L 1-2-3
1   
1   W 3-4-5
1   W 1-2-3
1   W 1-2-3
2   L 1-2-3
1   
end of spins

+5

Any comments/help from Nicksmi most appreciated! :)

A.
Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

miniroll171

Quote from: atlantis on Mar 01, 06:44 AM 2019
EXAMPLE

VDW theory applied to winner's 'pair results'

Flatbet playing AP's up to 6 results only (no mutual bets)
On a win/loss use last 2 outcomes towards tracking next AP. (Winkels idea - captures streaks)
Possibility to use progression after an L??

I use RayManZ last 2 session results:


1   
2
1
2
1 W 1-3-5
1
1 W 2-3-4
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
1 W 1-2-3
2 L 1-2-3
1
2
end of spins

+9




1   
2   

2   W 2-3-4
2   W 1-2-3
1   
2   
1   
2   W 1-3-5
2   
2   W 2-3-4
1   L 1-2-3
1   
1   W 3-4-5
1   W 1-2-3
1   W 1-2-3
2   L 1-2-3
1   
end of spins

+5

Any comments/help from Nicksmi most appreciated! :)

A.

Could you explain this in a bit more detail please I don’t really see what you are doing?

atlantis

Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

miniroll171

Quote from: atlantis on Mar 01, 10:28 AM 2019
Hi miniroll171,

The principle is covered quite well in this topic here:

link:s://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/msg45746/#msg45746

A.

Thanks, yeah I remember reading about this a while ago now lol.
Definitely worth trying with this system. I will do some testing over the weekend.

Mister Eko

Quote from: atlantis on Mar 01, 10:28 AM 2019
Hi miniroll171,

The principle is covered quite well in this topic here:

link:s://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/msg45746/#msg45746

A.

Atlantis, do youthink it works in long therm? I read the topic of the progression, if I could understood, would be good..  ;D

atlantis

Quote from: Mister Eko on Mar 01, 12:40 PM 2019
Atlantis, do youthink it works in long therm? I read the topic of the progression, if I could understood, would be good..  ;D

I don't know. Maybe it better than random betting with patterns - because it math based and something that HAS to happen within 9 spins... I don't like dangerous martingale type progressions such as winner uses.
Nickmsi did a lot of testing with vdw theory and would like to hear his point of view.
Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

Nickmsi

Hello Atlantis,

I have attached a sheet that plays the VDW in the manner you suggested except I added an Offset to give us twice as many bets.

If you look at sheet 2 you will see some results of testing.  It won 8/10 sessions, each session being 10,000 spins.  It made a meager 416 profit flat betting. This was tested with 100,000 No Zero spins from BetVoyager.

Cheers

Nick
Don't give up . . . . .Don't ever give up.

Let Me Win

Thanks Nick your excel sheets are always well made.

Could you explain please what you mean by added an offset to create more bets?

Nickmsi

Offset simply means you can play 2 streams of Runs and Chops.

If the first 3 spins are

1-Red
2-Black
3-Black

The first Chop to be formed is Spin 1and Spin 2:  RB

If you offset the start with Spin 2 being the start then Spin 2 and Spin 3 form a Run: BB

Now you are playing 2 streams instead of 1

Cheers
Nick



Don't give up . . . . .Don't ever give up.

MoneyT101

Quote from: atlantis on Mar 01, 04:47 PM 2019
I don't know. Maybe it better than random betting with patterns - because it math based and something that HAS to happen within 9 spins...

100% better then random

Quote from: Nickmsi on Mar 03, 09:44 AM 2019

If you offset the start with Spin 2 being the start then Spin 2 and Spin 3 form a Run: BB

Now you are playing 2 streams instead of 1

Cheers
Nick


Very good tip Nick, hope everyone is paying attention.

I gave more info on in my last topic about this.

You can take and combine spins in a set format and the results will be the same.  Doesn’t have to come consecutively.  Maybe this will help you find what your searching for idk...

Good luck everyone!
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

Mako

MoneyT you should look into this thread, the method is right up your alley.  And thanks Nick, always like to see you in a thread, wish you would participate more!  :thumbsup:

atlantis

Quote from: Nickmsi on Mar 02, 08:25 AM 2019
Hello Atlantis,

I have attached a sheet that plays the VDW in the manner you suggested except I added an Offset to give us twice as many bets.

If you look at sheet 2 you will see some results of testing.  It won 8/10 sessions, each session being 10,000 spins.  It made a meager 416 profit flat betting. This was tested with 100,000 No Zero spins from BetVoyager.

Cheers

Nick


Thanks Nick for your chart.

I see what you mean about the "offset" stream... It's like a "bet within a bet" and gives more wagering signals. If using a progression then a lengthy losing run needs to be avoided - possibly a stop after 2 L's or something like that.
Maybe something can be noticed or gained by analysing the results of both of the streams independently to make a more effective play method overall...?

A.
Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

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