RED and BLACK Part II

[Compa]

Adding each dominant Colour in each Street on the Carpet and setting the Sum(Colour) in play:

Progression may be applied with 1124


street      sum          play
---------------------------
1.2.3    = 1+3      = 4 BLACK
4.5.6    = 4+6      = 10 BLACK
7.8.9    = 7+9      = 16 RED
10.11.12 = 10+11= 21 RED
13.14.15 = 13+15= 28 BLACK
16.17.18 = 16+18= 34 RED
19.20.21 = 19+21= 40 BLACK
22.23.24 = 22+24= 46 BLACK
25.26.27 = 25+27= 52 RED
28.29.30 = 28+29= 57 RED
31.32.33 = 31+33= 64 BLACK
34.35.36 = 34+36= 70 RED

EXAMPLE -200 Spins:

4 -
31 W
10-
10
19 W
3  -
30
17 W
10-
28
32 W
11-
8
12 W
23-
15 W
15-
30
30
5
31 W
11-
36 W
3 -
34
0
14
20 W
2  -
10 W
15-
23
16
11 W
4 -
19
9
26 W
36-
4
34 W
28-
11
0
18 W
9 - 
21 W
15-
1
34
26 W
30-
26
9  W
11-
2
23 W
11-
36 W
1  -
36
31 W
5-
13 W
23-
1
1 
20 W
33-
13 W
13-
19
31 W
22-
13 W
31-
9
34
21
16 L
25-
31
3  W
21-
9
27
11 W
24-
26 W
1 -
14
22 W
13-
30
12
5
4  W
34-
10
0
21 W
3 -
12
24 W
36-
19 W
10-
15
36 W
30-
15
5  W
33-
3
7
11 W
8-
0
7  W
7 -
10
27 W
24-
23
31 W
28-
4
14 W
10-
28
28
18 W
36-
10
2
18 W
7 -
19 W
22-
8  W
36-
20
2
8
8  L
28-
11
10
12 W
32-
32
31 W
13-
16
27
15 W
21-
10 W
31-
8  W
17-
12 W
0
22-
8  W
0
32-
3
20 W
2 -
10 W
30-
17
14 W
2 -
6  W
10-
2
25 W
0
35-
36 W
19-
10 W
18-
23 W
17-
32 W
13-
31 W
33-
27
15 W
8 -
5  W
16-
19 W
10-
19 W
36-
27 W
6 -
1
30
28 W
4 -

[Fripper]

Hi Compa and thanks for sharing the part II!

I tested it in RX, you maybe not like it but I like to do some testing there. Do you suggest only live wheel?

I think I did it right. Example:
11 came up. That is 21 RED. So bet RED with progression 1,1,2,4

Another one:
29 came up. That is 57 RED, so bet RED.

and
19 came up. that is 40 black. So bet black.

Is this right?
I lost 6 progressions. You can see in the attached bankroll

Fripper

[Compa]

No problem! Keep it coming.

Cheers!

[atlantis]

I know it is some time ago but has anyone tested this further or had any successful results/sessions?
Just wondered if any decision was made about this method...
Anyhow, What u think??

Regards,
A.

[chrisbis]

I know it is some time ago but has anyone tested this further or had any successful results/sessions?
Just wondered if any decision was made about this method...
Anyhow, What u think??

Regards,
A.

Could U bring the details of the Red and Black up-to the front of the forum
and show fellows what the method is- in Ur own words of course.

i know we can go backwards in time (forum past) and see the words of the originator,
but it would be great to hear from U as to how U have gone on with the idea, and Ur testing results.

[atlantis]

Hi Chrisbis,

Well I think it self-explanatory as at the top of the thread - although I cannot fathom the mystery/theory of WHY to bet those colours... Maybe others can offer enlightenment.
Compa suggested using 1,1,2,4 prog but seems to get a good share of hits inside 4 bets so here I tried it using the MAXSIM progression which starts: 1,2,4,5 because I wanted to ensure making a profit of +1 if a hit occurs in the first three bets...
With the MAXSIM (designed for craps) you need to be sure to get regular hits though so system needs to be reliable.

[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type=,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red W
3,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
4,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red W
5,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
6,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red W
7,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
8,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Black W
9,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
10,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Black
11,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,505,2 : Black W
12,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
13,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Red W
14,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
15,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Black W
16,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
17,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Black
18,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,508,2 : Black W
19,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
20,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Red
21,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,509,2 : Red W
22,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
23,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Red
24,25,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red W
25,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
26,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Red
27,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Red
28,16,Bet,4,8,-4,4,511,4 : Red W
29,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511,
30,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512,1 : Red W
31,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
32,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Black W
33,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,513,
34,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Black W
35,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
36,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
37,5,Bet,2,4,-2,2,515,2 : Red W
38,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,515,
39,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Black
40,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Black W
41,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
42,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Red W
43,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,517,
44,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,518,1 : Red W
45,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
46,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,517,1 : Red
47,17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,515,2 : Red
48,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,511,4 : Red
49,2,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,506,5 : Red LOST
50,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
51,13,Bet,6,12,-6,6,512,6 : Black W
52,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
53,20,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,505,7 : Red
54,4,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,497,8 : Red
55,32,Bet,9,18,-9,9,506,9 : Red W
56,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
57,33,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,496,10 : Red
58,2,Bet,11,0,-11,-11,485,11 : Red
59,32,Bet,12,24,-12,12,497,12 : Red W
60,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
61,10,Bet,13,26,-13,13,510,13 : Black W
62,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
63,4,Bet,9,18,-9,9,519,9 : Black W
64,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,519,
65,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,518,1 : Red
66,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,2 : Red
67,27,Bet,4,8,-4,4,520,4 : Red W
68,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
69,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,521,1 : Red W
70,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
71,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,520,1 : Red
72,21,Bet,2,4,-2,2,522,2 : Red W
73,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,522,
74,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,523,1 : Black W
75,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,523,
76,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,524,1 : Red W
77,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
78,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,525,1 : Black
79,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,525,
80,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : Red
81,16,Bet,2,4,-2,2,526,2 : Red W
82,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
83,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,525,1 : Black
84,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,523,2 : Black
85,26,Bet,4,8,-4,4,527,4 : Black W
86,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
87,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,526,1 : Red
88,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,524,2 : Red
89,27,Bet,4,8,-4,4,528,4 : Red W
90,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,528,
91,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,527,1 : Red
92,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,525,2 : Red
93,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,521,4 : Red
94,3,Bet,5,10,-5,5,526,5 : Red W
95,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
96,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,529,3 : Black W
97,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,529,
98,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,530,1 : Red W
99,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
100,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,529,1 : Red
[/table]

+29 in 100 spins.
max drawdown=33

A.

[Compa]

Atlantis, Thats a VERY Good Result!

Cheers and Merry X-mas to all

[atlantis]

If aiming for a modest +3 profit - but need plenty of patience and fast spins preferably
Using same numbers and Compa's color idea derived from streets... but  flat-betting for 10-bet cycles.
Betting ONCE only after trigger (not 4 times) then using NEXT number as a fresh trigger.
If required increase unit value by +1 for next cycle of 10. (if less bank total than previous cycle)
Always reset to 1 at start of next cycle if level or ahead of overall best high.

[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type==,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Black L
3,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
4,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Red W
5,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red W
7,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
8,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black W
9,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
10,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black L
11,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
12,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red W
13,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
14,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black L
15,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
16,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red W
17,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
18,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red L
19,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
20,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red L ;B=500; Stay@1u
21,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
22,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red W
23,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
24,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red W
25,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
26,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red L
27,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
28,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black L
29,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
30,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red W
31,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
32,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black W
33,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
34,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black W
35,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
36,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Black W
37,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
38,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Black L
39,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
40,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Red L ;B=502; Stay@1u
41,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
42,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black L
43,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
44,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red W
45,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
46,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red L
47,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
48,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red L
49,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
50,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Black L
51,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
52,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Black L
53,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
54,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : Black W
55,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
56,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Black L
57,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
58,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : Black W
59,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
60,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Black W ;B=500; Incr to 2u
61,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
62,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Red L
63,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
64,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,500,2 : Black W
65,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
66,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502,2 : Black W
67,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
68,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504,2 : Red W
69,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
70,17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,2 : Red L
71,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
72,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Black L
73,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
74,10,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502,2 : Black W
75,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
76,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Black L
77,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
78,10,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502,2 : Black W
79,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
80,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Red L ;B=500; Stay@ 2u
81,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
82,2,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Red L
83,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
84,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Black L
85,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
86,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,2 : Red L
87,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
88,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,496,2 : Black W
89,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
90,12,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : Red W
91,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
92,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Red L
93,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
94,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,2 : Black L
95,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
96,13,Bet,2,4,-2,2,496,2 : Black W
97,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
98,16,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : Red W
99,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
100,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Red L ;B=496; Incr to 3u
101,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
102,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Red W
103,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
104,28,Bet,3,6,-3,3,502,3 : Black W
105,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
106,1,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,499,3 : Black L
107,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
108,22,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,496,3 : Red L
109,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
110,20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Black W
111,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
112,29,Bet,3,6,-3,3,502,3 : Black W
113,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
114,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,505,3 : Black W
115,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505, : ZERO
116,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505,
117,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,508,3 : Red W
118,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
119,6,Bet,3,6,-3,3,511,3 : Black W
120,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511,
121,0,Bet,3,0,-1.5,-1.5,509.5,3 : Black ;ZERO; repeat
122,22,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512.5,3 : Black W ;B=512.5; dec to 1u
[/table]

Opportunities to quit occur here:
@Spin35 +3
@Spin37 +4
@Spin39 +3
@Spin68 +4
@Spin114 +5
@Spin117 +8
@Spin119 +11
@Spin121 +9.5
@Spin122 +12.5

Highest Bet=3
Lowest Bankroll 494/500

A.

[Big EZ]

I have been testing this method. And it does VERY WELL. I dont think the maxsim progression is a good idea for this though. Remember, slow and steady wins the race.  Through all the sessions I have tested every one of them has hit +5 somewhere within 100 spins

[atlantis]

I have been testing this method. And it does VERY WELL. I don't think the maxsim progression is a good idea for this though. Remember, slow and steady wins the race.  Through all the sessions I have tested every one of them has hit +5 somewhere within 100 spins

Hi Big EZ,

Yes. Slow and Steady to build profits using safer way than Maxsim is prolly way to go on reflection. Agreed. I think Carsch posted a nice progression somewhere that might be better (although think it involved parlay..)
Anyhow, the way I showed above is quite definately SLOW at times as you can see - but who cares as long as it can be STEADY profit winner. Thanks.
Big EZ, did you play original Compa prog suggestion or develop your own?

A.

[Big EZ]

I use another progression. As long as you can hit around 50% of your bets it allows you to stay in the game and turn a little bit bigger profit then the 1-1-2-4 suggested by Compa. And as you can see (if you tested) that this selection hits very often. I still am not sure why it works, but it does.

I have been using this method in the casino recently and have been very pleased even though all I have to play on is the American wheel 0/00.  Compa said not to use the 0/00 wheel but as far as I can tell with my testing and live play that it still works.

[SAKIS]

Please  Big EZ tell us your progression you use?

[atlantis]

Regarding the 10-bet cyclic prog - I just tried it with continuous betting for real money and reached my goal of +3 in 9 spins. In other words, after each bet, I did not wait for a fresh number to spin before playing the appropriate color referenced in Compa's table. Just used the color indicated by the LAST spun number. In this particular session I won inside the first cycle so never needed to flat bet more than 1 unit.

1st Cycle @ 1u
===========
1. W +1
2. L +0
3. L -1
4. W +0
5. L -1
6. W +0
7. W +1
8. W +2
9. W +3 *STOP

Cheers,
A.

[F_LAT_INO]

I would suggest a new bet selection here,instead of 1,1,2,4=8 units,but
1,1,1,3 on parlay basis;=6un.

1 W=2un.next bet----L=
1 W=2un.next bet----L=
1 W=2un.next bet----L=
3 un. to return the 3 un. back......can even skip this last bet.

Since have noticed lot of hits on 3 first spins I think this could be more
effective with less investements.
Just a Christhmas thought.

[F_LAT_INO]

I would suggest a new bet selection here,instead of 1,1,2,4=8 units,but
1,1,1,3 on parlay basis;=6un.

1 W=2un.next bet----L=
1 W=2un.next bet----L=
1 W=2un.next bet----L=
3 un. to return the 3 un. back......can even skip this last bet and play once more
1 un.on parlay W=return 3 un.back,L=4 un.in cycle instead of 8 units.

Since have noticed lot of hits on 3 first spins I think this could be more
effective with less investements.
Just a Christhmas thought.