New creation I have been developing using the dozens and a very small stable progression. So far in 900+ spins it has not lost. But I need your help. If you would like to test, please do and report your progress.
Bet selection:
We are looking for the "most recent dominant" dozen. For my strategy, it is the first dozen which has most recently appeared twice. Example: 35,24,2,28 are the last 4 numbers to be spun off the wheel and they are the most recent 4 numbers spun on the marquee. The 3rd dozen now qualifies as the "dominant dozen" b/c the 3rd dozen is the most recent dozen to appear twice (35,28).
Method of play:
We are going to play the dominant dozen in a set of 3 separate spins. So, the next 3 spins will all be 1 unit on the 3rd dozen. Keep track of how many times the 3rd dozen hits in the next 3 spins. If in the next 3 spins the 3rd dozen hits all 3 times, we are up +6 units. If in the next 3 spins the 3rd dozen hits 2 of the 3 times, we are up +3 units. If in the next 3 spins the 3rd dozen hits 1 of the 3 times, we have not won and have not lost and we remain exactly where we were. If in the next 3 spins the 3rd dozen does not hit at all, we are down -3 units.
Goal:
We are looking for the dominant dozen to hit at least 2 of the next 3 spins to complete the set. If the dominant dozen does NOT hit in the next 3 spins, we now must start our progression.
Very safe progression:
So far I have not gone above 3 units in the progression. However, this progression is unlike most progressions that you are used to. The progression is 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b, 2c, 3a, 3b, 3c.
We begin by betting the most dominant dozen for 3 spins 1a. If we lose all 3 spins, we now move to the right of the progression and we are still betting 1 unit for the next 3 spins 1b. If we lose all 3 spins again, we move to the right again and we are on 1c. If we lose again, we move to the right and we are now on 2a. If the next 3 spins produces a winner, we move to the left back to 1c. If in the next 3 spins we only hit 1 of 3, we have not won or lost that set and we stay where we are and now reset and play the new most dominant dozen for 3 spins.
On a loss we move to the right after a 3 spin set. On a win we move to the left on a 3 spin set. The goal is to always get back to betting the smallest unit of 1a.
I have been playing 100 spin sessions and I have never gone farther than 3a. I have always made a profit within the 100 spins. Some of my sessions end at +20 units, some end at 7+ units. The goal can be to play it safe and quit when ever you are +3 in profit, or you can take the progression the whole way and try to recover. What I like about it is, I am never betting more than 3 units per spin. The bet selection tends to favor a dominant dozen in 3 spin sets. If we were to play a "least dominant" dozen things can get out of control in a hurry as sometimes a particular dozen can sleep for up to 20 consecutive spins. Any time we are forced to move to the right in the progression, as long as we win at least 2 of 3 in the next 3 spin set, we have recovered our losses and can now move back to the left.
If you are not sure, ask questions.
Barcode,
Your threads have been recommended to me from a friend I exchange PMs with on VLS board, and I have to say, this one did not disappoint. This is one of the freshest ideas I have seen in a long time. Done some hand testing this morning, and I think you might have a winner. I have only gone to 1b so far, but was already up 12 units.
I like the slow progression, and I like the number of chances each gets to win.
Well done!
HI BARCODEif you lose 3 spins and you move up in prog. do you bet for ex 3rd dozen again or are you looking for new dozen?
i think he looks at last 4 spins again for a new dominant doz--just guessing (it cant be the same doz as you would have won then already)
what if there is no dominant dozen in the 4 spin window? can the author please confirm its a 4 spin window
He didn't say it was always 4, just that those particular spins manifested a domininant dozen in 4 spins. His instructions say "it is the dozen which has most recently appeared twice". Maximum of 5 spins, but 4 in his example. We need to test - this has promise! :thumbsup:
Got to 3b on BV no-zero, but it recovered eventually. Up 27 units on that session, starting with a 54 unit session bankroll.
Outstanding stability so far!
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 20, 09:59 AM 2011
Barcode,
Your threads have been recommended to me from a friend I exchange PMs with on VLS board, and I have to say, this one did not disappoint. This is one of the freshest ideas I have seen in a long time. Done some hand testing this morning, and I think you might have a winner. I have only gone to 1b so far, but was already up 12 units.
I like the slow progression, and I like the number of chances each gets to win.
Well done!
Thanks. I like the slow progression too. There are actually a few other ways to play this as far as progressions go, but i'm trying to take this one to the limit and see how far I can go. Like I said, in over 900+ spins I have not gotten past 3a of the progression. It seems to hit alot as far as bet selection goes. When it starts not hitting, that is what the small progression is for, eventually it always seems to come back and start hitting. It's like it wants to keep hitting the most "recent dominant dozen."
Quote from: warrior on Jul 20, 10:21 AM 2011
HI BARCODEif you lose 3 spins and you move up in prog. do you bet for ex 3rd dozen again or are you looking for new dozen?
If you lose your particular 3 spin set and get no hits, then you move up in the progression and now bet the "NEW" most dominant dozen. The first dozen that has hit twice, is now the new most dominant dozen.
Quote from: superman on Jul 20, 02:19 PM 2011
what if there is no dominant dozen in the 4 spin window? can the author please confirm its a 4 spin window
There is ALWAYS a dominant dozen in 4 spins. If in 3 spins we have ABC we now have to look to the 4th spin to see which dozen is going to appear twice and become "the most dominant." There can also be a dominant dozen in 3 spins, such as AAC.
We will always look at the first 3 spins for one dozen to hit twice, if we have ABC, we then look to the 4th spin for the "tie breaker" or the most dominant dozen. It's always which is the first dozen to appear twice.
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 20, 03:06 PM 2011
Got to 3b on BV no-zero, but it recovered eventually. Up 27 units on that session, starting with a 54 unit session bankroll.
Outstanding stability so far!
Think about the possibilities. So far it's only pushing 3 units per spin of the progression. What if we took it to 4a,4b,4c, 5a,5b,5c, etc? Most of the time it lives in the 1a,1b,1c range. I've always been a fan of LOW units in terms of small progressions, that way if I find a winning method, I can bet BIG and not worry about the house limits.
If this method never goes past 4 units, I can bet one unit at $1,000 per bet all the way up to $4,000 per bet of the progression. If my win goal is to only make 3 units, I can go home for the day up $3,000 very quickly.
Quote from: superman on Jul 20, 02:19 PM 2011
what if there is no dominant dozen in the 4 spin window? can the author please confirm its a 4 spin window
I think, reading the script Neal, its a YES on the most dominant Dozen, in last 4 spins.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 20, 03:45 PM 2011
There is ALWAYS a dominant dozen in 4 spins. If in 3 spins we have ABC we now have to look to the 4th spin to see which dozen is going to appear twice and become "the most dominant." There can also be a dominant dozen in 3 spins, such as AAC.
We will always look at the first 3 spins for one dozen to hit twice, if we have ABC, we then look to the 4th spin for the "tie breaker" or the most dominant dozen. It's always which is the first dozen to appear twice.
Well you could have ABAB. Which means no dozen is dominant. Wouldnt it maybe be best to look at 5 spins? there has to be a dominant one then. Or in my above example would we then play A as it appeared first twice?
For me, I would think U need to look at a group of 7 spins for "Domination"
Quote from: Juiced91 on Jul 20, 04:22 PM 2011
Well you could have ABAB. Which means no dozen is dominant. Wouldnt it maybe be best to look at 5 spins? there has to be a dominant one then. Or in my above example would we then play A as it appeared first twice?
No. That is why FIRST you must look at the first 3 spins. There will always be a dozen that has shown twice unless you get ABC. ONLY if you get ABC in the first three spins, then the 4th spin is the tie breaker and the "most dominant" dozen.
As far as going past 3-4 spins looking for a dominant dozen, such as 5 or 7 spins deep....i've tried it and it does not work nearly as well. Try it for yourself and you will see. Roulette changes fast and by focusing on the first dozen to appear twice, you are keeping just one step behind it.
It is critical that you do NOT move up in the progression when you have 1 out of 3 hit in a 3 spin set. This is a "neutral" set, and you simply stay right where you are and play the "new" most dominant dozen for another 3 spins. We ONLY move up in the progression when you lose all 3 bets for that set.
Just completed another test of 100 spins: +27, never went past 2b.
I believe, following Barcodes reasoning, that the minimum number of spins for a dominant dozen would be 2 spins and the maximum would be 4 spins ....
2 spins would be the same dozen repeating itself off the bat, and 4 spins would be if each dozen appeared once then on the 4th spin we would get the repeat.
That's my take of a dominant dozen ( if a repeat is the only criteria ).
TTT
Quote from: TicTacToe on Jul 20, 04:36 PM 2011
I believe, following Barcodes reasoning, that the minimum number of spins for a dominant dozen would be 2 spins and the maximum would be 4 spins ....
2 spins would be the same dozen repeating itself off the bat, and 4 spins would be if each dozen appeared once then on the 4th spin we would get the repeat.
That's my take of a dominant dozen ( if a repeat is the only criteria ).
TTT
Exactly! Correct.
Quote from: TicTacToe on Jul 20, 04:36 PM 2011
I believe, following Barcodes reasoning, that the minimum number of spins for a dominant dozen would be 2 spins and the maximum would be 4 spins ....
2 spins would be the same dozen repeating itself off the bat, and 4 spins would be if each dozen appeared once then on the 4th spin we would get the repeat.
That's my take of a dominant dozen ( if a repeat is the only criteria ).
TTT
Well i see it differently. It could come out 1 3 now we wait for 13 to apper again but instead comes out 1 3 2 2. Therefore dominant dozen changes from the possible 1/3 to the 2.
Either way if it appears twice in 3 spins
Quote from: Juiced91 on Jul 20, 04:43 PM 2011
Well I see it differently. It could come out 1 3 now we wait for 13 to apper again but instead comes out 1 3 2 2. Therefore dominant dozen changes from the possible 1/3 to the 2.
Either way if it appears twice in 3 spins
Your making it way more complicated than it is. Put it this way, the first dozen to appear twice is now your "most dominant" dozen to be played.
so with 1322 do you class 2 as the dominant dozen ?
what about a tie 1122 do you now extend the period to check until, say 11221 ?
Quote from: superman on Jul 20, 04:52 PM 2011
so with 1322 do you class 2 as the dominant dozen ?
what about a tie 1122 do you now extend the period to check until, say 11221 ?
I think he is saying,, that the 11 of Ur 1122 would already be the Dom force behind the decision.
Quote from: superman on Jul 20, 04:52 PM 2011
so with 1322 do you class 2 as the dominant dozen ?
what about a tie 1122 do you now extend the period to check until, say 11221 ?
1322, dozen 2 is the first to have appeared twice, so dozen 2 is the dominant dozen.
1122....back up. Remember I said the first dozen to appear twice. All we are concerned about is 112...STOP. When I look at 112 I see that dozen 1 has appeared twice. No need to look ANY further. Dozen 1 is now my most "dominant dozen." VERY simple.
Quote1122....back up.
112...STOP.
I am talking left to right, left being most recent so the above was formed by
1 youngest spin (last result)
1
2
2 oldest
So when you say back up, do you mean .122 here we would have chosen dozen 2, correct
Quote from: superman on Jul 20, 05:16 PM 2011
I am talking left to right, left being most recent so the above was formed by
1 youngest spin (last result)
1
2
2 oldest
So when you say back up, do you mean .122 here we would have chosen dozen 2, correct
Other way around Neal.
Quote from: superman on Jul 20, 05:16 PM 2011
I am talking left to right, left being most recent so the above was formed by
1 youngest spin (last result)
1
2
2 oldest
So when you say back up, do you mean .122 here we would have chosen dozen 2, correct
No. If 1122 are your last spins and 1 is the "youngest" as you put it. Then dozen 1 is the "most recent" as I put it, to show TWICE. So dozen 1 is the "most dominant."
In VERY simple terms: The first dozen, of the most recent spins to show twice. That's it. SIMPLE.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 20, 05:25 PM 2011
No. If 1122 are your last spins and 1 is the "youngest" as you put it. Then dozen 1 is the "most recent" as I put it, to show TWICE. So dozen 1 is the "most dominant."
In VERY simple terms: The first dozen, of the most recent spins to show twice. That's it. SIMPLE.
I think You are getting very confused here.
Lets show the spins, as though they are on a Marquee:-
The next spin. will be at the Top*
*
2
1
1
so here, the oldest spin is the bottom 1, and from your analogy, the "Dominant" Dozen.
The Youngest spin, was the '2'.
In this case............Dominant Dozen= 1
Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 20, 05:31 PM 2011
I think You are getting very confused here.
Lets show the spins, as though they are on a Marquee:-
The next spin. will be at the Top*
*
2
1
1
so here, the oldest spin is the bottom 1, and from your analogy, the "Dominant" Dozen.
The Youngest spin, was the '2'.
In this case............Dominant Dozen= 1
WOW! Looking at it from this way, looking down........dozen 2 is the last spin (or most recent). Keep looking down. What is next? Dozen 1. What is next? Dozen 1 again. STOP! Which dozen has appeared twice? That would be Dozen 1. Dozen 1 is now our "most dominant dozen." All that matters is from the most recent spins, which dozen is the first to appear twice.
Just completed 2 more sessions.
+22 130 spins (never got past 3a)
+18 15 spins. (on this session, I hit almost every other spin and just quit at spin 15) Never got past 1b.
it reminds me of a great method with project 202 progression applied.
It was the same bet selection but we followed it by ten spins flat betting. Then we choose the new (or same most hot one) and proceed with the progression if not in plus
progression was
10X1
10X2
10X3
etc
till in profit
it took ages to sink that one.
| 1 | | | | | |
| 1 | | | | | |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| 3 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 1 |
| 3 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 0 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | -1 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 3 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 2 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 4 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 6 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 8 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 7 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 9 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 8 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 10 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 12 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 11 |
| 3 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 10 |
| 3 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 9 |
| 1 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 11 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 10 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 9 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 8 |
| 1 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 7 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 6 |
| 1 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 5 |
| 3 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 7 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 6 |
| 3 | W | 3 | 1 | 2 | 8 |
| 1 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 7 |
| 2 | | 0 | 1 | -1 | 6 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | 4 |
| 1 | | | 2 | -2 | 2 |
| 2 | W | 6 | 2 | 4 | 6 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | 4 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | 2 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | 0 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | -2 |
| 1 | | | 2 | -2 | -4 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | -6 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | -8 |
| 3 | | | 2 | -2 | -10 |
| 3 | | 9 | 3 | 6 | -4 |
| 3 | | 9 | 3 | 6 | 2 |
| 1 | | | 3 | -3 | -1 |
| 3 | | 9 | 3 | 6 | 5 |
| 1 | | | 3 | -3 | 2 |
| 2 | | | 3 | -3 | -1 |
| 3 | | 9 | 3 | 6 | 5 |
| 1 | | | 3 | -3 | 2 |
| 3 | | 9 | 3 | 6 | 8 |
| 3 | | 9 | 3 | 6 | 14 |
;-)
Good Luck
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 20, 04:33 PM 2011
No. That is why FIRST you must look at the first 3 spins. There will always be a dozen that has shown twice unless you get ABC. ONLY if you get ABC in the first three spins, then the 4th spin is the tie breaker and the "most dominant" dozen.
As far as going past 3-4 spins looking for a dominant dozen, such as 5 or 7 spins deep....i've tried it and it does not work nearly as well. Try it for yourself and you will see. Roulette changes fast and by focusing on the first dozen to appear twice, you are keeping just one step behind it.
So if we get AA we start betting A, right? We do not have to wait 3 spins at least, right?
Barcode , have you tryed this bet selection but with positive progression?
at W +1 / at 3 Ls -1, and after two cosecutive 3LLLs stop and wait one virtual W,
then start again.
Reset to 1 unit when win enough( Ex: + 5units new win).
Also can reset to 1u after recover from hole.
D= dominant
NR/doz
36 3
27 3
18 2 D is doz 3, bet 1u
36 3 w +2, bet 2u on d3
29 3 w +6, bet 1u/reset (still bet on d3...is dominant)
1 1 L +5, bet 1u/d3
28 3 w +7, bet 2u/d3
30 3 w +11, bet 1u/d3 reset
15 2 L +10, bet 1u/d3
17 2 L +9 wait
33 3 D is again d3 bet 1u
21 2 L +8, bet 1u/d2 (D is d2 now)
13 2 w +10, bet 2u/d2
15 2 w +14, bet 1u/d2 reset
33 3 L +13, bet 1u/d2
22 2 w +15, bet 2u/d2
33 3 L +13 bet 2u/d2 ( d2 still D in the last 5 spins)
15 2 w +17 bet 3u/d2
12 1 L +14 bet 3u/d2
1 1 L +11 bet 3u/d1
36 3 L +8 2u/d1
9 1 w +10 3u/d1
2 1 w +16 1u/d1 reset
35 3 L +15 1u/d1
33 3 L +14 1u/d3
7 1 L +13 1u/d1
18 2 L +12 1u/d3
33 3 w +14 2u/d3
0 - L +12 wait
14 2 bet 2u/d2
30 3 L +10 2u/d3
10 1 L +8 wait
7 1 bet 2u/d1
36 3 L +6 wait
7 1 bet 1u/d1
26 3 L +5 1u/d1
18 2 L +4 1u/d3
25 3 w +6 2u/d3
23 2 L +4 wait
6 1 bet 2u/d2
8 1 L +2 2u/d1
13 2 L 0 wait
29 3 bet 1u/d1
29 3 L -1 1u/d3
15 2 L -2 wait
28 3 bet 1u/d3
32 3 w 0 2u/d3
23 2 L -2 2u/d3
30 3 w +2 3u/d3
25 3 w +6 4u/d3
30 3 w +14 1u/d3 reset
27 3 w +13 2u/d3
6 1 L +11 2u/d3
25 3 w +15 3u/d3
15 2 L +12 3u/d3
33 3 w +18 1u/d3 reset
0 - L +17 wait
21 2 bet 1u/d2
30 3 L +16 1u/d3
3 1 L +15 wait
18 2 bet 1u/d2
1 1 L +14 1u/d1
4 1 w +16 2u/d1
9 1 w +20 3u/d1
11 1 w +26 1u/d1 reset
29 3 L +25
2 ans so on.........
28
2
19
35
14
6
29
18
19
23
14
8
31
17
21
Quote from: marivo on Jul 21, 08:15 AM 2011
So if we get AA we start betting A, right? We do not have to wait 3 spins at least, right?
Correct.
Quote from: Kattila on Jul 21, 10:35 AM 2011
Barcode , have you tryed this bet selection but with positive progression?
at W +1 / at 3 Ls -1, and after two cosecutive 3LLLs stop and wait one virtual W,
then start again.
Reset to 1 unit when win enough( Ex: + 5units new win).
Also can reset to 1u after recover from hole.
D= dominant
NR/doz
36 3
27 3
18 2 D is doz 3, bet 1u
36 3 w +2, bet 2u on d3
29 3 w +6, bet 1u/reset (still bet on d3...is dominant)
1 1 L +5, bet 1u/d3
28 3 w +7, bet 2u/d3
30 3 w +11, bet 1u/d3 reset
15 2 L +10, bet 1u/d3
17 2 L +9 wait
33 3 D is again d3 bet 1u
21 2 L +8, bet 1u/d2 (D is d2 now)
13 2 w +10, bet 2u/d2
15 2 w +14, bet 1u/d2 reset
33 3 L +13, bet 1u/d2
22 2 w +15, bet 2u/d2
33 3 L +13 bet 2u/d2 ( d2 still D in the last 5 spins)
15 2 w +17 bet 3u/d2
12 1 L +14 bet 3u/d2
1 1 L +11 bet 3u/d1
36 3 L +8 2u/d1
9 1 w +10 3u/d1
2 1 w +16 1u/d1 reset
35 3 L +15 1u/d1
33 3 L +14 1u/d3
7 1 L +13 1u/d1
18 2 L +12 1u/d3
33 3 w +14 2u/d3
0 - L +12 wait
14 2 bet 2u/d2
30 3 L +10 2u/d3
10 1 L +8 wait
7 1 bet 2u/d1
36 3 L +6 wait
7 1 bet 1u/d1
26 3 L +5 1u/d1
18 2 L +4 1u/d3
25 3 w +6 2u/d3
23 2 L +4 wait
6 1 bet 2u/d2
8 1 L +2 2u/d1
13 2 L 0 wait
29 3 bet 1u/d1
29 3 L -1 1u/d3
15 2 L -2 wait
28 3 bet 1u/d3
32 3 w 0 2u/d3
23 2 L -2 2u/d3
30 3 w +2 3u/d3
25 3 w +6 4u/d3
30 3 w +14 1u/d3 reset
27 3 w +13 2u/d3
6 1 L +11 2u/d3
25 3 w +15 3u/d3
15 2 L +12 3u/d3
33 3 w +18 1u/d3 reset
0 - L +17 wait
21 2 bet 1u/d2
30 3 L +16 1u/d3
3 1 L +15 wait
18 2 bet 1u/d2
1 1 L +14 1u/d1
4 1 w +16 2u/d1
9 1 w +20 3u/d1
11 1 w +26 1u/d1 reset
29 3 L +25
2 ans so on.........
28
2
19
35
14
6
29
18
19
23
14
8
31
17
21
I've played around with it a few ways with positive and negative progressions. Both work very well. This bet selection is solid enough that more times than not, it wins flat betting.
Just completed another session +15 after 55 spins. Never got past 3a.
I take it "So far in 900+ spins it has not lost" means not gone beyond 3c.
If it did would you take the 54 point loss and restart at 1a?
Robert
Quote from: trebor on Jul 21, 03:28 PM 2011
I take it "So far in 900+ spins it has not lost" means not gone beyond 3c.
If it did would you take the 54 point loss and restart at 1a?
Robert
Yes, now in over 1300 spins, I have not gone past 3b. In those 1300 spins, I could have stopped over probably close to 500+ separate times and ended while in profit. Even if I'm in profit +3 units at any point, in a real world casino, that is enough for me to call it a day if i'm playing with $500+ chips.
That is what the purpose of this thread is for, to see how far I can take it. That's why I put it in the testing zone. If for example after 100,000 spins, or after 1,000-100 spin games it has not gone past 3c in the progression, then I will be fairly confident going into the casino with a 4(abc) step progression, that I know will win on a regular basis. The possibilities are huge. I wouldn't mind going as high as a 9 (abc) step progression if I know I am guaranteed to win every session.
That is the whole point of keeping the units low. Even if I had to go as high as a "9-step progression," betting 9 units on a spin is nothing! If my base unit bet is $500, then betting 9 units, if called for is $4,500...........just below the $5k outside betting limit for many tables in Vegas.
Has superman put into a bot yet? (this idea i mean)
Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 03:56 PM 2011
Has superman put into a bot yet? (this idea I mean)
Not that I know of?
QuoteHas superman put into a bot yet?
Yes but I haven't done the progression part yet, been busy with paid work, will get to it at some point.
Quote from: superman on Jul 21, 04:14 PM 2011
Yes but I haven't done the progression part yet, been busy with paid work, will get to it at some point.
If you do it with the progression it is crucial that if 1 out of 3 hit in a set, you do NOT move up in the progression. You stay right where you are and play the "new" most dominant dozen. Test it to see what is the highest you can take it as far as a progression past 3(abc). Test it also where if you ever reach a "new high" in profit, you automatically reset back to the begining at 1 unit (1 abc).
Hi Barcode, thanks for posting this amazing system. Would you be able to show me how you would bet from the list of numbers:
6
1
22
11
25
14
36
17
17
10
18
1
10
22
16
33
Quote from: londonboy85 on Jul 21, 05:23 PM 2011
Hi Barcode, thanks for posting this amazing system. Would you be able to show me how you would bet from the list of numbers:
6
1
22
11
25
14
36
17
17
10
18
1
10
22
16
33
I will play as if 33,16,22 are the most recent numbers spun and work my way down.
33 D3
16 D2
22 D2...here D2 qualifies as "most dominant dozen" b/c it is the first to have appeared twice.
-D2 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a
10 D1 = Lost -1
1 D1 = Lost -1
18 D2 = won +2 (broke even on that set. Now play new "dominant dozen for 3 more spins)
-D1 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a
10 D1 = won +2
17 D2 = lost - 1
17 D2 = lost -1 (broke even again on that set.)
-D2 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a)
36 D3 = lost -1
14 D2 = won +2
25 D3 = lost -1 (broke even again on that set.)
-D3 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1a)
11 D1 = lost -1
22 D2 = lost -1
1 D1 = lost -1 (lost that set, b/c all 3 lost. Now move up in the progression to 1b.
-D1 is now the most dominant dozen, play for 3 spins at 1 unit each, 1b)
6 D1 = win +2
etc...
Notice in all that time, I didn't get one winning set (which is rare) and i'm still only on 1b of the progression, betting only 1 unit per spin! When the winning sets come, they come rapidly, sometimes as many as 5,6,7 in a row. Getting 1 win out of 3 and breaking even on a set is actually a good thing, we would much rather break even then lose and we only need 1 out of 3 wins on the dozens to break even b/c they pay 2 to 1. I'll break even on these mini sets all day long, think of it as you are just waiting for the winning sets to come.
What happens, if you play (after Identifying the Dominant Dozen), for three spins on the first go, but on the next series, you just play for twp spins, and re-track the Dozen Dominance?
So it would be:-
Find Dom Dozen, Play for 3 spins, Find New Dom Doz, play for 2 spins, Find Dom Doz, Play for 3 spins...
and alternate all along like that.
Have you tried?
Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 05:48 PM 2011
What happens, if you play (after Identifying the Dominant Dozen), for three spins on the first go, but on the next series, you just play for twp spins, and re-track the Dozen Dominance?
So it would be:-
Find Dom Dozen, Play for 3 spins, Find New Dom Doz, play for 2 spins, Find Dom Doz, Play for 3 spins...
and alternate all along like that.
Have you tried?
Tried it. Doesn't work. It works best when you give your original "dominant dozen" 3 spins to come through for you. Often times it takes a full 3 spins for it to come. Many times the first 2 spins will be a loss, then on the third spin your "dominant dozen" comes back for you.
Have you tested this method the way I have laid it out?
Not yet.
I'm taking a break from Actual betting at the Mo.
Back to it again, in August though, so will definitely give this the Once over.
Be interesting see what Superman says of it, for the Long Haul.
cheers.
hi i like the look of this system nice and simple :)
what happens if after 2 spins you are at a new high, do u bet the 3rd spin at the same amount as the previous 2 spins or restart the progression and start betting on the dominant dozen ??
cheers jase
3 new sessions: Speilbank Weisban through roulette Xtreme
+12 100 spins (never got past 1c)
+29 55 spins (never got past 3a) just decided to stop
+15 43 spins (never got past 2b)
*keep in mind, all of this testing is on the single zero. Double zero shouldn't effect it too much.
Quote from: ausjase on Jul 21, 06:04 PM 2011
hi I like the look of this system nice and simple :)
what happens if after 2 spins you are at a new high, do you bet the 3rd spin at the same amount as the previous 2 spins or restart the progression and start betting on the dominant dozen ??
cheers jase
After 2 spins, and Ur at a New High, I would Virtual spin the third, to stay on the track with 'Barcodes 'steps of three.
Quote from: ausjase on Jul 21, 06:04 PM 2011
hi I like the look of this system nice and simple :)
what happens if after 2 spins you are at a new high, do you bet the 3rd spin at the same amount as the previous 2 spins or restart the progression and start betting on the dominant dozen ??
cheers jase
I like to bet the entire 3 spin set at the same amount, b/c often times I will get a hit on the third spin or all of the spins for that matter. But you can choose to play however you want. If you are only going after +3 units per session, then technically you can play exactly 1 spin (your very first spin) and quit for the day on a win. If you are playing for big $, then that is the optimal way to do it, and that is why I designed it this way. I don't like getting into huge unrealistic progressions. I like to keep the units small, as close to flat betting as possible and bet BIG, almost as high as the house limits.
In my opinion there is no point in staying in the casino for hours to grind out 60 units of $5.00 chips. I'd rather bet $1,000 chips and stay for 5 minutes.
Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 06:10 PM 2011
After 2 spins, and your at a New High, I would Virtual spin the third, to stay on the track with 'Barcodes 'steps of three.
You can do it that way if you prefer, but like I said, I prefer to play out the whole 3 spin set. Experience playing and testing this will show you that often times, that third spin is a winner for you.
Mmm. I see.
Though If U already won, and are ahead as Ausjase says, before step/spin three, then Y risk U winnings?
Just reset, after the third spin.
We do that in some of our bots, once ahead of Ur highest point. (Peak cash), we reset all progressions back to 1.
U could consider the same, but its a tweak, that each playing testing the idea, would automatically do anyhow i guess.
Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 06:25 PM 2011
Mmm. I see.
Though If you already won, and are ahead as Ausjase says, before step/spin three, then why risk you winnings?
Just reset, after the third spin.
We do that in some of our bots, once ahead of your highest point. (Peak cash), we reset all progressions back to 1.
You could consider the same, but its a tweak, that each playing testing the idea, would automatically do anyhow I guess.
Yes. I brought up the idea of resetting back to 1a after you reach a high as a possiblity in this thread. Both have their advantages. That is why I placed this thread in the "testing" area b/c i'm really trying to take it to the limit and see what I like the best after thousands of spins. Once I determine what I like, that is what I will take with me to the casino. For now, playing it the original way as I have outlined I still have not got past 3b of the progression. This is withOUT resetting back to 1a after a new high.
Nice one barcode!
Glad to have you sharing with us in this forum. :thumbsup:
GLC
i have done a 400 spin test can not get out of the hole.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 21, 09:36 PM 2011
i have done a 400 spin test can not get out of the hole.
How are you playing? Are you playing until you reach a new high and then resetting back to 1a of the progression?
What step are you in of the progression?
Could not reach any new highs ,the prog.went right to the end of what you posted could not get out of it,and that's the honest truth.Rather if I were to wait for 4 spins to lose and then bet I would win even with a fibo,because the most it lost in 4oo spins in a row was 10 ,3 times anyways that's my expierence.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 21, 10:01 PM 2011
could not reach any new highs ,the prog.went right to the end of what you posted could not get out of it,and that's the honest truth.
I believe you, but i'm asking for clarification to see if you played it correctly. Are you saying you went up to 3c within 400 spins and then stopped? If you had kept playing until 4abc, or 5abc what would have happend? Do you have those spins to post?
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 21, 10:06 PM 2011
I believe you, but i'm asking for clarification to see if you played it correctly. Are you saying you went up to 3c within 400 spins and then stopped? If you had kept playing until 4abc, or 5abc what would have happend? Do you have those spins to post?
No it was on the first 100 spins that the prog. busted the other 300 it went to 3a but could not get out of the hole,i will keep trying and see what happens.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 21, 10:16 PM 2011
No it was on the first 100 spins that the prog. busted the other 300 it went to 3a but could not get out of the hole,i will keep trying and see what happens.
Post the spins.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 21, 10:18 PM 2011
Post the spins.LLLLLLLLWWLWWLLLLLLWLLWLLWLLLLLWLLWLLLLLLLLLLWLLWWLLLWWWLLLLWLWWLLLWLLLWWLWWWWLLLWLLWWLLLLLLWLWLLWWLLWLLWLLWWWLLLLLLWWWLLLLLWWLWWLLLLWLLLLLLWWWLW
Warrior,
I just entered those W/L's into roulette Xtreme one by one, and I finished +15. I have no idea what you did. Starting with the 8L's (oldest) until the middle of your numbers, the progression got all the way to 3a then recovered and went into profit. It went into profit for a new high about 4 diffrent times after that. I played all your W/L's till the end and it finished at +15. That was all while never betting higher than 3 units on any one spin.
If there is something you are confused about let me know. I can go through this one by one if you don't get it.
update: I just had my first losing session in over 1500 spins. It went over 3c progression and I tried playing it out but was not worth continuing that particular session.
If playing this way a proper stop loss would be to quit the session at 3c and take the loss. This equates to -54 units.
However in 1500 spins I have accumulated +350 units, for a total of +296.
I am not satisfied playing this way with that kind of loss and set back. Like I said from the begining, the purpose of this thread was to test this to it's limits. I can now take the strong points and experiment in a few different directions to make it better. My goal is to make it strong enough where it can win flat betting with a solid bet selection or make it strong enough where I only need a minimal progression to bet with big units. I'll keep you updated on my improvements.
well done
It's been my experience that as long as there is a number the ball can land on that will cause you to lose the current bet, eventually enough of those number's will come at you in a large enough clump that it will cause you to lose. Maybe not lose all that you have won, hopefully not. That's what we have to learn to contend with and it's a hard thing to accept. These excellent systems like this one win a lot and then that sequence from hell strikes and the casino takes back some or all of what you've won.
I don't think this needs tweaking too much. We just have to accept that it's going to lose every now and then. The more you tweak it, you either make it win slower or win faster. If it wins slower, when you finally have a loss, and you will, it takes a big chunk back. If it wins faster, when you finally have a loss, and you will, it takes a big chunk back. Either that or you set a lower stop-loss and the losses come more often but not quite as big. See what I mean.
Show me one system on this forum that doesn't do this. Even a flatbet works the same way. You win, win, win, and then you have a bad streak and get a fairly big drawdown and it takes forever to work out of the hole. That's the same phenomenon at work. We have to accept reality.
Now, we just have to find the systems, and this may be one of them, that win more than they lose over the long run. Most of us, including myself, tend to give up on excellent systems at the first sign of vulnerability. I don't doubt that there are many players winning with systems that were posted on here, created a swarm of activity, and then died off because of a few bad sessions. But those with patience and fortitude pushed on and realized that they had a long term winner.
I hope that's the case.
GLC
Ok mark my homework please, just run through the attached file to make sure I was betting the correct dozen, the file has this
Last4 dc,da,dc,db Decision dc
The last spun dozen is on the left, oldest on the right, you will see at the end of the file the bomb dropped, 26 losses in a row, I haven't bothered doing the progression, not sure if I even will!
Thoughts anyone?
@superman
against which results/casino Neal?
Quote from: superman on Jul 22, 06:14 AM 2011
Ok mark my homework please, just run through the attached file to make sure I was betting the correct dozen, the file has this
Last4 dc,da,dc,db Decision dc
The last spun dozen is on the left, oldest on the right, you will see at the end of the file the bomb dropped, 26 losses in a row, I haven't bothered doing the progression, not sure if I even will!
Thoughts anyone?
Hi Superman,
Quote
We are going to play the dominant dozen in a set of 3 separate spins. So, the next 3 spins will all be 1 unit on the 3rd dozen.
Did you play the SAME dominant dozen for max of 3 spins?
If I am right you are supposed to play the qualifying DOZ for three attempts before searching out a new dominant....?
A.
Will need clarification, I played whichever dozen was dominant every spin, I thought that was how it was done, let me know barcode please
Quoteagainst which results/casino Neal?
BV NZ, not that it matters.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 21, 11:26 PM 2011
Warrior,
I just entered those W/L's into roulette Xtreme one by one, and I finished +15. I have no idea what you did. Starting with the 8L's (oldest) until the middle of your numbers, the progression got all the way to 3a then recovered and went into profit. It went into profit for a new high about 4 diffrent times after that. I played all your W/L's till the end and it finished at +15. That was all while never betting higher than 3 units on any one spin.
If there is something you are confused about let me know. I can go through this one by one if you don't get it.
first 100 spins -14 ,the 44 spins after brought it down to-4 dont no how you got +15.
@ barcode, do we spin until we have a dominant dozen then bet that dozen until a win then move on, all the time tracking all spins? I didn't do it this way, I have just been spinning, tracking and betting on whichever is dominant.
Please advise, we need to know
Quote from: superman on Jul 22, 08:01 AM 2011
@ barcode, do we spin until we have a dominant dozen then bet that dozen until a win then move on, all the time tracking all spins? I didn't do it this way, I have just been spinning, tracking and betting on whichever is dominant.
Please advise, we need to know
No. It's always betting for a 3 spin set. First you need to find the "most dominant dozen," which is the first dozen to appear twice. You then bet that dozen for 3 consecutive spins. The ONLY time we move UP in the progression is if you lose ALL 3 bets in that 3-spin set. If we win 1 out of 3 we didn't win and we didn't lose......in this case we re-evaluate and play the "new most dominant dozen," for 3 more spins at the same unit. Our goal is to win 2 out of 3 in a set, or 3 out of 3 in a set. Anytime that happens we made a profit in that set and we can move DOWN one step in the progression.
You can then stop anytime you reach a new overall high in profits, OR you can keep playing and attempt to get down to the smallest betting amount of 1a.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 22, 07:46 AM 2011
first 100 spins -14 ,the 44 spins after brought it down to-4 don't no how you got +15.
I don't know how you got these figures? I was in a hole, betting up to 3a in the begining but it recovered and I was in profit 4 different times from the middle of the results you gave me to the very end.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 22, 12:39 AM 2011
It's been my experience that as long as there is a number the ball can land on that will cause you to lose the current bet, eventually enough of those number's will come at you in a large enough clump that it will cause you to lose. Maybe not lose all that you have won, hopefully not. That's what we have to learn to contend with and it's a hard thing to accept. These excellent systems like this one win a lot and then that sequence from hell strikes and the casino takes back some or all of what you've won.
I don't think this needs tweaking too much. We just have to accept that it's going to lose every now and then. The more you tweak it, you either make it win slower or win faster. If it wins slower, when you finally have a loss, and you will, it takes a big chunk back. If it wins faster, when you finally have a loss, and you will, it takes a big chunk back. Either that or you set a lower stop-loss and the losses come more often but not quite as big. See what I mean.
Show me one system on this forum that doesn't do this. Even a flatbet works the same way. You win, win, win, and then you have a bad streak and get a fairly big drawdown and it takes forever to work out of the hole. That's the same phenomenon at work. We have to accept reality.
Now, we just have to find the systems, and this may be one of them, that win more than they lose over the long run. Most of us, including myself, tend to give up on excellent systems at the first sign of vulnerability. I don't doubt that there are many players winning with systems that were posted on here, created a swarm of activity, and then died off because of a few bad sessions. But those with patience and fortitude pushed on and realized that they had a long term winner.
I hope that's the case.
GLC
Yes you are right. I'm going to push forward and look at this from a few different angles and see which is the best direction to take it. I have a few ideas.
QuoteIt's always betting for a 3 spin set
So we get our first dominant dozen and bet it until a win OR until 3 spins, correct?
Whichever comes first, we then look for the new dominant dozen, correct? rinse and repeat
I'm not even bothering with the progression steps yet, until I get the bet selection correct, please advise.
try REVERSING IT you will see its a winner wait for 2 losses then go in bet 2 dozens hit and run not continuos, 2 to 3 games and and out ,you said you want to bet a 1000$ at a time,the longer you stay the worst it is ,FLAT betting wont work,just my opinion.
Quote from: superman on Jul 22, 08:42 AM 2011
So we get our first dominant dozen and bet it until a win OR until 3 spins, correct?
Whichever comes first, we then look for the new dominant dozen, correct? rinse and repeat
I'm not even bothering with the progression steps yet, until I get the bet selection correct, please advise.
First dominant dozen and bet it for all 3 spins....then STOP! Did you win or did you lose? If you win move down in the progression. If you win move up in the progression. Then re-evaluate and look for the "new most dominant dozen" and repeat.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 22, 08:45 AM 2011
try REVERSING IT you will see its a winner wait for 2 losses then go in bet 2 dozens hit and run not continuos, 2 to 3 games and and out ,you said you want to bet a 1000$ at a time,the longer you stay the worst it is ,FLAT betting won't work,just my opinion.
Hit and run is not my style. I am after consistency. You say "flat betting" won't work, however if I go back over all of my results, I am up, not down flat betting by a slight margin. The reason I decided to use this minimal progression is b/c the flat betting profits are very very slow. Like I said, I am going to re-evaluate and adjust it to the style of play I like.
I am with George on his comments that all systems have their occasional break-downs. That doesn't mean they are not great systems, and I am beginning to think that yours might fall into that category. If we are concerned by the progression, there are other ways to play that might be experimented with. However, the bet selection method is very fresh and easy to play. I think yours is one of the most exciting new bet selection processes that I have seen. Don't let a single losing session stop you from moving forward on this. Good luck!!
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 22, 08:55 AM 2011
I am with George on his comments that all systems have their occasional break-downs. That doesn't mean they are not great systems, and I am beginning to think that yours might fall into that category. If we are concerned by the progression, there are other ways to play that might be experimented with. However, the bet selection method is very fresh and easy to play. I think yours is one of the most exciting new bet selection processes that I have seen. Don't let a single losing session stop you from moving forward on this. Good luck!!
Thanks. The reason I like the bet selection is because it is ALWAYS playing the trend or the most dominant dozen in the moment. It is NOT searching out sleepers which can deplete your profits quicker than anything. It is attempting to find an appearing hot streak and ride it. If it changes, it also changes just as quickly.
QuoteHit and run is not my style. I am after consistency.
Mine neither, its a fools joke, again, my opinion, everyone 'should' be after continuation.
QuoteYou say "flat betting" won't work
Well, since my lasy post/question, I set the bot to play 3 spins per attack, I have done 57 spins so far, see reveal
[reveal]L Prog 1 Cash -1 Peak 0 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 0 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 0 Peak 1 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash -1 Peak 1 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 1 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 0 Peak 1 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 1 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 2 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 4 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 4 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 4 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 4 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 4 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 4 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 4 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 5 Peak 4 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 7 Peak 5 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 6 Peak 7 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 5 Peak 7 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 7 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 7 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 7 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 7 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 6 Peak 7 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 8 Peak 7 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 7 Peak 8 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 9 Peak 8 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 8 Peak 9 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 10 Peak 9 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 12 Peak 10 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 14 Peak 12 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 16 Peak 14 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 16 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 17 Peak 18 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 16 Peak 18 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 18 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 18 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 20 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 22 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 23 Peak 22 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 23 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 23 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 23 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 23 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 23 Peak 23 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 25 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 24 Peak 25 Bet 1[/reveal]
Will keep testing on flat bet if it holds well I will add your progression to it, but with the results so far, there may be a better progression, time will tell
Quote from: superman on Jul 22, 09:04 AM 2011
Mine neither, its a fools joke, again, my opinion, everyone 'should' be after continuation.
Well, since my lasy post/question, I set the bot to play 3 spins per attack, I have done 57 spins so far, see reveal
[reveal]L Prog 1 Cash -1 Peak 0 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 0 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 0 Peak 1 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash -1 Peak 1 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 1 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 0 Peak 1 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 1 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 2 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 4 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 4 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 4 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 4 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 4 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 4 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 4 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 5 Peak 4 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 7 Peak 5 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 6 Peak 7 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 5 Peak 7 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 7 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 3 Peak 7 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 7 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 7 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 6 Peak 7 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 8 Peak 7 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 7 Peak 8 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 9 Peak 8 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 8 Peak 9 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 10 Peak 9 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 12 Peak 10 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 14 Peak 12 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 16 Peak 14 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 16 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 17 Peak 18 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 16 Peak 18 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 18 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 18 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 20 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 22 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 23 Peak 22 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 23 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 23 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 23 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 23 Bet 2
W Prog 1 Cash 21 Peak 23 Bet 3
W Prog 1 Cash 23 Peak 23 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 25 Peak 23 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 24 Peak 25 Bet 1[/reveal]
Will keep testing on flat bet if it holds well I will add your progression to it, but with the results so far, there may be a better progression, time will tell
I don't know how to follow your results? What is Cash 24, Peak 25? That means you are up +25 in units?
Are you playing seperate 3 spin sets then re-evaluating?
QuoteWhat is Cash 24, Peak 25?
Cash is current profit/loss
Peak is the highest it's been so far
QuoteAre you playing separate 3 spin sets then re-evaluating?
Yes, get dozen, bet it for 3 spins only, example of 2 full losses
L Prog 1 Cash 29 Peak 39 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 28 Peak 39 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 27 Peak 39 Bet 3
L Prog 1 Cash 26 Peak 39 Bet 1
L Prog 1 Cash 25 Peak 39 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 24 Peak 39 Bet 3
2 wins on 2nd attempt
L Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 39 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 24 Peak 39 Bet 2
L Prog 1 Cash 23 Peak 39 Bet 1
W Prog 1 Cash 25 Peak 39 Bet 2
ok 100 spin test +16 did not go over 1c.
All,
As a question to clarify one earlier message I read.....
Is the "dominant" dozen determined in a minimum of three spins (which is the way I believe it works) or can it be determined in the first two spins?
There was an earlier message in this thread where the poster asks if "AA" qualifies as a dominant, being only two spins.
Am I correct in saying you wait until the third spin before declaring the dominant dozen?
AD
Quoteor can it be determined in the first two spins?
I would say yes, as stated, the most recent dozen to hit twice, this would only happen when you first start anyway.
Quote from: ADulay on Jul 22, 10:42 AM 2011
All,
As a question to clarify one earlier message I read.....
Is the "dominant" dozen determined in a minimum of three spins (which is the way I believe it works) or can it be determined in the first two spins?
There was an earlier message in this thread where the poster asks if "AA" qualifies as a dominant, being only two spins.
Am I correct in saying you wait until the third spin before declaring the dominant dozen?
AD
It can be determined in the first 2 spins. If the first two spins are AA we now have our most dominant dozen which is A. We can start betting right away for A as our "most dominant dozen." Waiting for the third spin is pointless because dozen A already qualified as our most dominant dozen. If the third spin is AAB, A is still the dominant dozen. If the third spin is AAC, A is still the dominant dozen.
Barcode, what do you think,
Same priciple( dominant/hot ) can be applyed to any 12 numbers not only to dozens.
I don t know if will work better or not , but maybe...
Ex:
-to Double streets , we bet on the two most hot from the last 6 spins, bet 3 times
then update again dominant from the last 6 spins and bet 3 times...
-to streets , bet the most hot 4 streets from the last 12 spins, bet 3 times ,then update
dominant from the last 12 spins and bet 3 times...
-to numbers, to the most hot 12 numbers from the last 36/37 spins, bet 3 times ,then update
the most dominant 12 numbers from the last 36 spins and bet 3 times...
-to two hot groups of six numbers like two hot Global pies groups(again update dominant from
the last 6 spins)....etc..
Now all this needs own progressions.
???
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Jul 22, 02:44 PM 2011
Barcode, what do you think,
Same priciple( dominant/hot ) can be applyed to any 12 numbers not only to dozens.
I don't know if will work better or not , but maybe...
Ex:
-to Double streets , we bet on the two most hot from the last 6 spins, bet 3 times
then update again dominant from the last 6 spins and bet 3 times...
-to streets , bet the most hot 4 streets from the last 12 spins, bet 3 times ,then update
dominant from the last 12 spins and bet 3 times...
-to numbers, to the most hot 12 numbers from the last 36/37 spins, bet 3 times ,then update
the most dominant 12 numbers from the last 36 spins and bet 3 times...
-to two hot groups of six numbers like two hot Global pies groups(again update dominant from
the last 6 spins)....etc..
Now all this needs own progressions.
???
cheers
I think the results would be the exact same. No matter what fancy way you decide to do it on the table, random in the end will put it all into perspective. The math would be the same. In my opinion the best way to play is the even chances, the closer you can bet to 50/50 the better. This strategy however does not work with the even chances, so I adapted it to the 2-1 bet of the Dozen's.
QuoteNo matter what fancy way you decide to do it on the table, random in the end will put it all into perspective. The math would be the same.
I totally agree with that statement.
OK, I have added your progression method to it, please see attached file and check the progression is moving properly up and down, I must say the weak progression is a grind.
Let me know if I am doing it wrong please
Quote from: superman on Jul 22, 03:20 PM 2011
I totally agree with that statement.
OK, I have added your progression method to it, please see attached file and check the progression is moving properly up and down, I must say the weak progression is a grind.
Let me know if I am doing it wrong please
Something is not right. What does "last 4 mean?" Also, just about everytime the progression goes back to 1a you should be in profit.
Quote from: superman on Jul 22, 03:20 PM 2011
I totally agree with that statement.
OK, I have added your progression method to it, please see attached file and check the progression is moving properly up and down, I must say the weak progression is a grind.
Let me know if I am doing it wrong please
If everything you did do was correct, you can see you reached +9 units right from the start. Then you went down to -22 units BUT you were never betting higher than 2 units (2c) at any time and you recovered. If you had entered the game here, it recovered all the way up to a +7. If I was going for a modest +3 session goal or +5, this is very possible to bet HIGH units such as $500 or $1,000 chips. If I had to bet up to 2c in this example, I would only be risking 2 units per spin.
barcode my apologies i went back and check my results i found my mistakes .
Quote from: warrior on Jul 22, 07:29 PM 2011
barcode my apologies I went back and check my results I found my mistakes .
No problem!
QuoteSomething is not right. What does "last 4 mean?"
Last4 dc,db,db,da Decision db
Last 4 is the last 4 dozens to show, from left to right in the above dc came out last.
The progression, I hope I was wrong, if it gets to 1b and has a win I go back to the first level of 1a, if a win happens in 2a I go back to the start of 1a so its moving right 1 step after a loss and left 3 or more steps on a win, in your first post you said go back to the previous level, you didn't state what part of the previous level, each level has 3 parts, so which do we go back to, I think this is where I got it wrong, you said
QuoteIf the next 3 spins produces a winner, we move to the left back to 1c
To the start of 1c? that's what I am doing currently
111,111,
111,2
22,... if a win on the bold 2 I am putting progression back to the bold 1
QuoteSuperman. Why don't you run a double test. One with barcode's bet selection and the same numbers betting for the last dozen to repeat. We'll see what we're really dealing with
@ George, need to get his progression right first, if I have it wrong, when he replies I will fix it, test it again and we can take it from there
Quote from: superman on Jul 23, 02:03 AM 2011
Last4 dc,db,db,da Decision db
Last 4 is the last 4 dozens to show, from left to right in the above dc came out last.
The progression, I hope I was wrong, if it gets to 1b and has a win I go back to the first level of 1a, if a win happens in 2a I go back to the start of 1a so its moving right 1 step after a loss and left 3 or more steps on a win, in your first post you said go back to the previous level, you didn't state what part of the previous level, each level has 3 parts, so which do we go back to, I think this is where I got it wrong, you said
To the start of 1c? that's what I am doing currently
111,111,111,222,... if a win on the bold 2 I am putting progression back to the bold 1
@ George, need to get his progression right first, if I have it wrong, when he replies I will fix it, test it again and we can take it from there
As far as the "last 4" go to make a decision on the "most dominant dozen," it is NOT always determined in the last 4 spins. Remember I said it can happen in as quickly as 2 spins. Don't get caught up in how many spins it takes. It can take 2 spins, 3 spins or 4 spins, it's always changing. The solid rule is the first dozen to appear twice.
Your progression is wrong. It's always moving exactly one step to the right on a loss and one step to the left on a win. I never said it moves "3-steps" to the left on a win, I always said only one step in either direction, very simple.
Example: On consecutive losing sets we play: 1a, 1a, 1a, 1b, 1b, 1b, 1c, 1c, 1c, 2a, 2a, 2a, 2b, 2b, 2b, 2c, 2c, 2c, 3a, etc.
On consecutive winning sets we play: 3a, 2c, 2c, 2c, 2b, 2b, 2b, 2a, 2a, 2a, 1c, 1c, 1c, 1b, 1b, 1b, 1a, 1a, 1a
This is YOUR example: "111,111,
111,2
22,... if a win on the bold 2 I am putting progression back to the bold 1." ....This is wrong.
This is the correct way. If you have 111, 111, 111,
2,2,2....if win on the middle bold 2, you are still staying in that same 2 unit set but moving backwards to the first 2. If you get 2 out of 3 winners of that set, then you move back to the third set of 1's. Like this 111, 111, 11
1, 222
The goal is always to get back to 1a. That's why your test was such a slow grind, b/c where you should have been quickly recovering your profits in the 2's, you went too far back to the 1's. Try replaying your exact numbers on your first test with this correct progression, i'm sure your recovery and profits would be higher.
How do we deal with 0, ex:
6, 26, 0, 5, 20,33
d1,d3,0,d1,d2,d3
Do we ignore 0 so that the dominant dozen is d1, or any number coming before 0 should not be counted towards the dominant dozen.
QuoteIt can take 2 spins, 3 spins or 4 spins, it's always changing. The solid rule is the first dozen to appear twice
Yeah, if you looked at the decision you would see I am taking UP TO the last 4, if da,da was last it would only check that far, bet selection is ok as far as I am concerned.
QuoteIf you have 111, 111, 111, 2,2,2....if win on the middle bold 2, you are still staying in that same 2 unit
If that is so then why complicate the progression, this is a simple D' Alembert progression, up on loss and down on a win, because this statement goes against what you just posted
QuoteIf the next 3 spins produces a winner, we move to the left back to 1c
As you could be at the 3rd level of 2a and moving back to any part of 1c would mean more than 1 jump backwards. That's how I read it anyway, not picking a fight, just explaining how I got the wrong end of the stick. Will set it up D' Alembert style, much easier all round
Quote from: superman on Jul 23, 01:20 PM 2011
If that is so then why complicate the progression, this is a simple D' Alembert progression, up on loss and down on a win, because this statement goes against what you just posted
I don't see how it goes against what I posted? From the begining I've always said we move to the right on a loss and to the left on a win, per SET.
Quote from: superman on Jul 23, 01:20 PM 2011
As you could be at the 3rd level of 2a and moving back to any part of 1c would mean more than 1 jump backwards.
This statement is wrong. Once I've entered a "set," such as 2a, position does not matter. 2a, 2a, 2a: It does not matter which 2a it is. My goal is to win at LEAST 2 out of 3. If I accomplish this, I then move back to set 1c. Now I am in set 1c, 1c, 1c. Position again does not matter in 1c, my goal is to win at LEAST 2 out of 3 in 1c. If I win 2 out of 3 in set 1c, I then move back to set 1b, 1b, 1b. Again, position does NOT matter within the same set, my one and ONLY goal is to win at least 2 out of 3 per SET. If a set wins I move to the next "set" to the left, if a set loses I move to the next "set" to the right. I don't know how to explain it any more simple than I already have for you?
Quote from: londonboy85 on Jul 23, 12:57 PM 2011
How do we deal with 0, ex:
6, 26, 0, 5, 20,33
d1,d3,0,d1,d2,d3
Do we ignore 0 so that the dominant dozen is d1, or any number coming before 0 should not be counted towards the dominant dozen.
Exactly. Ignore the zero like it never happend and take the loss. The dominant dozen is D1. If you are betting a 3 spin set and a zero comes, that is a loss on that spin. That means you need to win the next 2 spins to "win" that set. But if you only win one spin, then you have won 1 out of 3 for that set and you broke even. You stay right where you are, and play the "new" most dominante dozen at the same unit.
Just tested some live casino result from smart live and result after 176 spins is -3. Started really badly and was up to a low of -37.
If I was actually playing, I would have stop at +1 around 100 spin mark. I used the new progression of glc.
Quote from: londonboy85 on Jul 23, 04:59 PM 2011
Just tested some live casino result from smart live and result after 176 spins is -3. Started really badly and was up to a low of -37.
If I was actually playing, I would have stop at +1 around 100 spin mark. I used the new progression of glc.
I just want to inform everybody that I realized that barcode isn't betting the way I outlined in my penthouse post. The penthouse is based on playing continuously whereas barcode's system is based on playing in sets of 3 bets then decide what you should do, drop back, stay put or move on.
I'm not saying the penthouse progression isn't a very good progression and should hold it's own with any single dozen/column bet selection there is. It just may not perform as well on a system designed for sets of three.
Might be interesting to play those same 185 spins and use barcode's bet method and see how it did next to the penthouse idea.
Sorry if my post caused any confusion.
George
Quote from: londonboy85 on Jul 23, 04:59 PM 2011
Just tested some live casino result from smart live and result after 176 spins is -3. Started really badly and was up to a low of -37.
If I was actually playing, I would have stop at +1 around 100 spin mark. I used the new progression of glc.
I just played the first 29 numbers of the numbers you provided with the way I play. I got off to a slow start and only reached 2c of the progression and then went into profit of +3 at spin #23 which was number 35. I then contined to play and reached +6 at spin 29 which was #15. If I was betting $1,000 chips in the casino I just walked out with $6,000 in 29 spins, while never betting more than 2 units ($2k) per spin.
I said it from the begining, my aim is to win only 3 units. If I can do that consistently with such a small progression where my betting units are never more than 3 units, I have acheived a method that I like to play in a real casino which is play big for minimal time. Imagine building up your bankroll and playing with $5,000 chips. 3 units is $15,000.
update:
Very interesting. I just played 7 separate 100 spin sessions FLAT betting and the results are impressive.
Session 1: +15
Session 2: +12
Session 3: +10
Session 4: +18
Session 5: +15
Session 6: +14
Session 7: +9
These are the high's for each of the 100 spin sessions FLAT BETTING. I think I "may" re-evaluate my stance on a need for a progression. This bet selection is very effective, and with a proper Stop-loss, could be an overall winner. I will continue to test this. If this keeps up, I may just go with flat betting and keep the progression in my back pocket to play from time to time.
If flat betting wins at a higher than normal rate, it could be effective walking up to a table and playing a 3 spin set. If you win, you stay and keep playing. If you lose, you walk to another table and casually play another 3 spin set. The goal would be to obviously have more winning sets than losing sets by the end of the night.
Barcode,
I don't mean to be negative, but this method of selecting a bet isn't that unique. Nor is betting in sets of 3 that unique. It's the wedding of the two together that is giving this system legs, IMO.
I guess flat betting can't do no harm, but I'm pretty sure you're going to find that your progression is worth buying in for a few more units.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Jul 23, 10:49 PM 2011
Barcode,
I don't mean to be negative, but this method of selecting a bet isn't that unique. Nor is betting in sets of 3 that unique. It's the wedding of the two together that is giving this system legs, in my opinion.
I guess flat betting can't do no harm, but I'm pretty sure you're going to find that your progression is worth buying in for a few more units.
GLC
Yes, I agree. Time will tell.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 08:44 PM 2011
I just played the first 29 numbers of the numbers you provided with the way I play. I got off to a slow start and only reached 2c of the progression and then went into profit of +3 at spin #23 which was number 35. I then contined to play and reached +6 at spin 29 which was #15. If I was betting $1,000 chips in the casino I just walked out with $6,000 in 29 spins, while never betting more than 2 units ($2k) per spin.
I said it from the begining, my aim is to win only 3 units. If I can do that consistently with such a small progression where my betting units are never more than 3 units, I have acheived a method that I like to play in a real casino which is play big for minimal time. Imagine building up your bankroll and playing with $5,000 chips. 3 units is $15,000.
In My Humble Opinion extremely unlikely that you would bet on Dozens with $1000 chips............If You have that much money, then your unlikely to be risking it on a 1 in 3 chance.
But, that's my opinion, since I have not got , that sort of money.
To extrapolate this system, out from the Usual $1 per chip base bet value, out into the far flung reaches of 1000's of dollars, I think is an un-wise comment.
Best of luck to you though, but keep it real for the masses eh! O0
Well, it doesnt look like it can run continual and make steady profit so thats the end of my testing with it.
Yes it does reach peaks of 5 or 7 or even 9 units every time I have run it but like ChrisBis says, its not a method for the masses who are probably mostly playing with 1cent, 10cent units, $500 or a $1000 units are beyond most peoples reach, heck, if they had that sort of money why are they playing roulette?
Almost any method on the forum will win you 3 or 4 units without a hitch most of the time so personally I dont see any advantage in this system, like George says, you'll get the same results from following the last dozen, especially if you are only after 3 or 4 wins then go home.
Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 24, 03:45 AM 2011
In My Humble Opinion extremely unlikely that you would bet on Dozens with $1000 chips............If You have that much money, then your unlikely to be risking it on a 1 in 3 chance.
But, that's my opinion, since I have not got , that sort of money.
To extrapolate this system, out from the Usual $1 per chip base bet value, out into the far flung reaches of 1000's of dollars, I think is an un-wise comment.
Best of luck to you though, but keep it real for the masses eh! O0
The dollar amount attatched to the unit is irrelevant. You can use whatever you like to fit your budget. Obviously to play with big money it makes sense to slowly build your bankroll until you are in a position to play with big money.
In my opinion it makes no sense playing for hours in a casino to earn 84 units of $1.00 chips, it is not efficient and poor time management. Don't bother playing until you have a strategy that you can win consistently with small units and bet BIG.
Quote from: superman on Jul 24, 03:53 AM 2011
Well, it doesn't look like it can run continual and make steady profit so that's the end of my testing with it.
Yes it does reach peaks of 5 or 7 or even 9 units every time I have run it but like ChrisBis says, its not a method for the masses who are probably mostly playing with 1cent, 10cent units, $500 or a $1000 units are beyond most peoples reach, heck, if they had that sort of money why are they playing roulette?
Almost any method on the forum will win you 3 or 4 units without a hitch most of the time so personally I don't see any advantage in this system, like George says, you'll get the same results from following the last dozen, especially if you are only after 3 or 4 wins then go home.
Like I said in my previous post, a win goal of +3 or +5 should be everyone's goal. You need to change your mindset. If you can do that on a consistent basis, that is all you need. You slowly build your bankroll until you can bet BIG. Playing with 1cent, 10cents and looking to win 100 units is the biggest waste of time I have ever heard of.
You say "any method on the forum will win you 3 or 4 units without a hitch," this is correct but to do it on a consistent basis most of them require you to risk a substantial amount in long drawn out progressions like the Martingale.
had high hopes for this system but on three ocasions it passed the 3c mark so im done testing this one too.
At the begining i played with a slightly dif progression i played 3spins on 1 unit then 3 spins on 2 units and that performed better. if i won i would go down to the previous unit. Maybe have a look at that.
Quoteif I won I would go down to the previous unit
Standard D'Alembert then, I tried a few variations of MM some worked better than others but they all have an achilles heel to long runs of losses even with the oddd win in between, pity, the bet selection did look good that's why I botted it.
I'm still testing this. Is anyone else?
I'm interested to find out if winning sessions more than keep ahead of losing sessions. In my case I'm stopping at +20 or when the proggression loses at 3c because that reflects a real world session time wise.
Limited time and working manually mean I've only done 22 sessions and I'm 319 points up with 1 session lost.
@ Superman. Do your results with a bot show that I'm on another fool's errand?
Anyone else with an opinion?
I'd be interested to know about your proposed tweaks Barcode. Are they on the bet selection?
Robert
I know the the testing figures above don't add up. I stop at about 20 ( might be 18, 19, 21, 22 etc.) and on a a few it dragged on so I bailed out with any sort of profit.
Actually one of the things I like about this is that there are often plenty of opportunities to stop in profit or with small losses if the progression gets towards the end.
Robert
ive played it live a few times--no losses yet,,, im sure it will hit some bumps
QuoteDo your results with a bot show that I'm on another fool's errand?
Not exactly Robert, but it will get into a hole at some point, I stopped testing for that reason, I only need to see one bang and I am moving on to something else, as you know the idea behind a bot is plug n play. Personally I can't see how any tweaks could help it, it's like GLC said, follow the last would return similar results, especially on RNG, where are you playing?
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 08:44 PM 2011
I have acheived a method that I like to play in a real casino which is play big for minimal time. Imagine building up your bankroll and playing with $5,000 chips. 3 units is $15,000.
very nice statement. after a long time in this forum---seems to me I am living in fool's paradise. ;D ;D :twisted: :twisted:
meaning no harm to anyone---just needed few giggles.
Quote from: trebor on Jul 26, 07:27 AM 2011
I know the the testing figures above don't add up. I stop at about 20 ( might be 18, 19, 21, 22 etc.) and on a a few it dragged on so I bailed out with any sort of profit.
Actually one of the things I like about this is that there are often plenty of opportunities to stop in profit or with small losses if the progression gets towards the end.
Robert
Exactly! With proper displine, this can be a consistent reliable money maker for many. Every single session I have had I was well into profit several times. It's when you continue to play and hit the inevitable losing sequences where you try to recover with the progression that can keep down your overall profits.
As far as tweeking, i'm still experimenting with a few things. Like I said this is still very playable, but I am searching for an even stronger bet selction where I know with certainty that a progression will be able to handle it.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 26, 03:57 PM 2011
Exactly! With proper displine, this can be a consistent reliable money maker for many. Every single session I have had I was well into profit several times. It's when you continue to play and hit the inevitable losing sequences where you try to recover with the progression that can keep down your overall profits.
As far as tweeking, i'm still experimenting with a few things. Like I said this is still very playable, but I am searching for an even stronger bet selction where I know with certainty that a progression will be able to handle it.
Barcode, please take a few minutes and look at my "clean up before move up" bet porgression. It can be easily adapted to this bet selection on 2:1 payoffs. I presented it for even chances but the principles can be applied to any bet location. Of course you'll have to give up your sets of 3 idea, but maybe that's not the best way to bet this system.
I suggest losing say 5 to 10 units before moving to the 2 unit recovery stage. I also like to reset everything once I reach +1 or more. By doing that, you can decide when you've won all you want and head for the door.
Just a suggestion.
GLC