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This type of scams work because we get low life arse licking idiots(the real culprits) worshipping such shit!

When anyone claims to have the hg, and gives vague but interesting clues, the are always at least a few suckers.

The ONLY way to gain edge in this game is the proper use of math in the design of your method/system

The math is just probabilities and payouts. It is not the "cause" of probabilities, and with the way its usually used,  cannot increase accuracy of predictions. It's like saying there will be around half red half black.  That doesn't help at all.

Math is useful for finding relevant statistical anomalies. But that doesn't include things like repeater which are just misunderstood basic probability.

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This method works fine

Wins a lot more than it loses

With discipline it’s a sure shot.

It’s time consuming. So $1 units isn’t worth it

No rg, its as useless as almost every other system. If it really won more than it lost, we'd have long term winning players everywhere.

Just a bit of logic and reasonable testing goes a long way.

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The math is just probabilities and payouts. It is not the "cause" of probabilities, and with the way its usually used,  cannot increase accuracy of predictions. It's like saying there will be around half red half black.  That doesn't help at all.

Math is useful for finding relevant statistical anomalies. But that doesn't include things like repeater which are just misunderstood basic probability.
Anyone can write broad brush general surface level comment. Plenty in fact
Forum is not the platform to discuss this

(Fill in your name) post tells a lot about your math knowledge
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Well said Steve!  ;)
- Just like our slow friend 'Drax' - you & Caleb are missing what some of the apt system players on here are sharing, but then again - acumen suggests otherwise!  ::)

** It doesn’t matter what you or any other AP/VB expert on here has to say about roulette being random & the only way to win is blah blah
**the certainty is that the opportunity is there for the player to lose ....should he choose to! 
 
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Nobody is immune to ignorance. I dont say something doesn't work without proper understanding.

It doesn’t matter what you or any other AP/VB expert on here has to say about roulette being random & the only way to win is blah blah

Here's an example. The only way to win is by increasing the accuracy of predictions. I don't say AP is the only way to do that. i say there are other possible ways to do it, which aren't traditional AP.

I'll be more specific. Say someone says "the law of a third can work because you'll never see 37 unique numbers in 37 spins".

This is nonsense because.......

* Any sequence of spins is just as likely as another.

* The probability is at least some numbers will be repeats. Each number has 1 in 37 probability. If say the first number was 32. The probability is that there's a 1 in 37 chance it will be 32 on the next spin again. But if the next number is 35, then we have two unique numbers (32 & 35). So on the next spin, there's a 2/37 chance the next number will be a repeat. The more spins we have, the higher the chance there will be a repeat. This isnt because of some magical law. It's just basic probability.

* I and many others have tested extensively, and no matter what magical law you think exists, the probability with random spins hasn't changed. You're still stuck at 1 in 37 on the next spin. Turbo's nonsense about 2 is after 1, 3 is after 2 is pointless. Random means 1 in 37.
 
The problem with many members is they think these points is me being ignorant. Actually it's me understanding basic probability, while they don't understand it. Because they lack proper understanding, they find it easy to accuse me of being ignorant or biased.

Another example is how people think progression helps you win. It doesnt.

A player may think a progression like 1,2,4,8 etc helps. Sure you can get lucky and win big... OR lose all winnings and more. Such a progression appears connected, but all you have is this:

Spin 1: Bet 1 unit, with probability of winning 1/37
Spin 2: Bet 2 units, with probability of winning 1/37
Spin 3: Bet 4 units, with probability of winning 1/37
Spin 3: Bet 8 units, with probability of winning 1/37

None of it is complicated. In this case, progression hasn't helped. It has just increased the amount we risk.

Progression is useless, except it can help you reach your target profit sooner, if you already have an edge.

For example, in my public demo I win 93% of spins betting 15 numbers. This is with flat betting only. Because wins are so frequent, I could safely use progression to compound profits. The probabilities haven't changed (still same advantage). But because I have the edge, the long term result comes quicker. If you have a negative edge and use progression, you'll likely profit for a while, but then lose everything and more.

Anyway it has all been said before. It appears because most systems are much more complicated, the player doesn't understand they've just repackaged the same shit.

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Someone mentioned scam

It’s only a scam if it’s sold or if HG is claimed

Neither of which he did

It’s weird when certain methods are attacked.....

Let people play it for themselves


OP. Update on this?
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o

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@ Steve - regarding the basic maths side of things I agree with what you are saying (and am sure you know that there is more to it than just the simple maths that is often discussed on here)
- I know you are well versed  :thumbsup:
 - & never said your ignorant but am amused by your (& Caleb's) so called receipt of information shared by a few generous system posters on here
- of course their not going to go into detail regarding their method/s
**no need to - they are not obliged to do so - and furthermore what they have provided is plenty

**when you define something it becomes limited
- so 37/38 numbers ....is that not defined? - hence a closed system? - therein lays the edge
** there are obvious parallels with nature that can be used to give one an edge with this wonderful game

**closed system = rules = know the rules and you rule your game
 - David/Dyksexlic/MIDO1/TG and now a few on here are talking about this in their own way
**maybe they have something or maybe not,  that is for the user to discern - so my agenda on here? - to let users know that there are a multitude of ways to be profitable from this alluring  game - it is not random and the people in the know, know this!

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It’s only a scam if it’s sold or if HG is claimed

The official definition of "scam" depends on the dictionary. Generally "money" doesn't need to be involved. But forget the official definition for a second...

When someone knowingly misleads others to be admired, and for attention, what should be call it?

You may respond with "but you don't know he was misleading people". In that case, you need to better understand everything that happened and he said. Initially I thought he just made a mistake and actually believed what he was saying. But with more information, I came to understood he knew his system was not what he claimed.

My understanding of it is INITIALLY he actually thought he had the HG. But then when he knew otherwise, he wouldn't come clean, probably because he felt it would be embarrassing when it would have actually showed integrity. But there's another element where he clearly strung everyone along for ego, and continues to do so.

Dont get me started on how I know his method is nonsense. It has all been explained in detail before. It's rather clear.

It’s weird when certain methods are attacked.....

Because you don't understand WHY. I'll tell you why: because it's fact vs fiction, and people get harmed by the misleading information. Who cares if anyone really wins or loses. That's not the issue.

You are still saying nonsense like particular losing methods are a "sure winners". You've got no idea. It's nothing personal, but your knowledge is quite poor. This is why you aren't understanding why particular systems are "attacked". And what you call "attacks" are not personal.

Let people play it for themselves

That'd be great, if the method was clear. But it wasn't. It was a mess of jumbled and contradictory clues that had people going in circles, hanging on every word he said. It's the follower's own fault for being so gullible. But the other side is knowledgeable members point out the glaringly obvious logic flaws.

Even worse, you think us pointing out the flaws is personal.

Anyway Turbo is one of many who's full of shit. there are many others, and some people are incredibly naive.

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 - & never said your ignorant but am amused by your (& Caleb's) so called receipt of information shared by a few generous system posters on here
- of course their not going to go into detail regarding their method/s
**no need to - they are not obliged to do so - and furthermore what they have provided is plenty

Caleb and I share many of the same views, because we both understand it. We appear to agree on almost everything for this reason. There's nothing more to it.

**when you define something it becomes limited

If it is limited, then it is limited. Like the number of pockets.

- so 37/38 numbers ....is that not defined? - hence a closed system? - therein lays the edge

The number of pockets contains the edge?

** there are obvious parallels with nature that can be used to give one an edge with this wonderful game

Perhaps but that's somewhat vague.

 - David/Dyksexlic/MIDO1/TG and now a few on here are talking about this in their own way

And I hope people can recognize the same shit repackaged. And if they arent sure, they should know how to test properly to know if they should move on, or continue development.

**maybe they have something or maybe not,  that is for the user to discern - so my agenda on here? - to let users know that there are a multitude of ways to be profitable from this alluring  game - it is not random and the people in the know, know this!

If you know something, please give members solid principles to work with, not vague clues. Otherwise it's best to keep it to yourself.

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No. No clues at all

Clear......with a solid set of rules

Not sure where you got that from

Not too shabby at all. Certainly one of the better ones.

the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o

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If you know something, please give members solid principles to work with, not vague clues. Otherwise it's best to keep it to yourself.
And play it on MPR  :thumbsup:
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No. No clues at all
Clear......with a solid set of rules

I assume you're referring to TG. Some members would say he was vague. Some would say he was very specific.

The truth is he was very specific about the principles, which he didn't understand himself. And when why I explained why his approach wont work, the answer was always something like "yeah you just dont know". So although he was specific, and I was specific, his response to explain the proof I provided was vague..... so the end explanation is basically "There's more to it. You don't have the secret sauce". But he already explained the principle which was tested and proven useless. Around in circles. There were also many contradictions from him but it has all been said before.

Anyone can give a specific system or principle that others test. And when the testing proves the approach fails, the system originator can just say "you dont know any better". And what can the response be to that? You've explained the details about why the approach fails, based on their explanation of their systems. I dont think he'd be likely to say "Shit you got me. I was wrong".

Not too shabby at all. Certainly one of the better ones.

Until it fails, and you find a new HG which is even better, until it fails and you find another. Good luck.

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And play it on MPR 

Well he did try MPR, but lost. Then he tried on Parx and RS where he won, and relentlessly defended Parx and RS claiming they were reputable places to test. Anyone who followed the conversations and understood the logic could see Turbo was more interested in defending his status than proving the realistic result of his system. Again it has all been said before.

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Same shit repackaged ....maybe?
-*maybe it's unfinished ends/leads/postulations
-*maybe it came across as 'shit' because people weren't apt or patient enough to look/find and become aware of a different way for themselves
....maybe your right, maybe not - my position stands


'Number of pockets contain the edge'?
- when you create the defined moment/game - it contains the edge
- well at least you were open to the ‘vague’ "parallels" bit  :thumbsup:

**Rules? ....clear description? - No Thanks - there's plenty of info on here and on the web to work with - when you were honing your craft - did you find all the clues in one place? - *I resolve this business is not for everybody
Perhaps people should start looking at profits as opposed to debating the ‘HG’  - or does the HG constitute unlimited profits - ‘forest from the trees’   :question:



**MPR - No Thanks - No Need To - I prefer and enjoy B/M material here in AUS

**as stated previously - My agenda on here is to let users know not to subordinate to the ideology that this game is unbeatable by the application of Systems - if one is looking - then there are ways

-will leave it at that-


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