Grassroots offspring....raymanz tweak

[Noreilles]

Hello all. For those who don't like the marty (1-3-9), since we do get a LOT of 1st or 2nd bet win, we can use a shortened Fibo (shortened meaning it starts 1-2-... instead of 1-1-2-...).

Here's how I play it:

• I use the Fibo sequence 1-2-3-5-8-13, total cost 64 (I know, it costs more than 1-3-9, feel free to shorten or lenghten it to suit your bankroll). My BR for 1 session is 80 units (see point 3 for the reason), total BR is 240 units.
• On the 1st win AFTER a loss, I'll parlay my win on the next bet (so if I won the 8 bet, on my next bet I'll bet 12); if I win the parlay, it's back to 1 unit (unless the parlay win was at the 13 bet, then I'll bet 5 afterwards to finish recouping). I always round up on the parlay bet when required. If you LOSE the parlay bet you simply continue the progression as if you didn't get the 1st win.
• Since I play on a Euro wheel, I only cover the 0 when my bet is OVER 5 unit on each dozen (or if the last number hit was 26-0-32). The reason I do this is because in order to NOT lose too much profit when betting 0, you also have to increase your base bets by the same amount, which means every 1 unit on 0 costs me 3 to bet; when you win it's OK but when you lose you now have to bet 3 times as much to cover the 0 in order to recoup the loss on the previous bet. Of course, when your base unit is say $15 or more, you can probably take the small loss of a few $$ and simply bet the 0.
• WHEN you lose the progression (for it WILL happen), what I do first is change table, then for the next 10 winning mini sessions (10 times in profit for a bet, so either a win on 1st bet or a parlay win) I'll double my starting unit BUT I'll remove a step from my progression in case of a loss (thankfully, no back to back losses so far).
• Last part of my money management: as stated, my total BR is 3 times a session amount (so 240 units); when I get to 4 times (so 320 units), I'll withdraw one BR (I play online), and I'll up my unit value by 1.

The reason I use a 6 step Fibo is simply because I used to play this against 1-2-3-a-b-c (where a b and c are columns), with the aim of winning 6 units and then switching table; it was doing OK but on the Euro wheel 1-2-3 and a-b-c happened often enough to barely be profitable. Then I played against 1-3-2-a-c-b which was a bit better. But with thist latest tweak (only if the last 3 dozen or column are unique), it's going MUCH better. I do have a slight variation though: when I get a trigger (let's say 2-1-3), I'll play it against dozens AND columns after (so I'll play against 2-1-3-b-a-c), or if my trigger on columns (let's say c-b-a), I'll play columns first (so c-b-a-3-2-1).

So here are my results so far (each number is a "session" which can be between 2 tables and 8 tables, each days is 3-5 sessions):
1. Starting BR of 750 units (so my base unit is 3)
2. 789 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
3. 710 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), a few wins then a loss followed by recoup session
4. 775 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
5. 868 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
6. 875 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), loss right off the bat, recovery session and enough wins for a small profit
7. 964 unist (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 240 units, new BR now 724 units and base unit is now 4
8. 824 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
9. 946 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
10. 859 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), few wins, a loss, recovery
11. 926 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
12. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
13. 1197 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
14. 1302 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 320 units, new BR now 982 units and base unit is now 5
15. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), lots of wins, a loss, recovery and a few more wins
16. 1197 units (vs 3 last if unique) (all wins on 1st bet this one)
17. 1304 units (vs 3 last if unique)
18. 1513 units (vs 3 last if unique)
19. 1690 units (vs 3 last if unique), withdraw 400 units, new BR NOW 1290 UNITS and base unit is now 6
20. 1398 units (vs 3 last if unique)
21. 1566 units (vs 3 last if unique)

So far, with my 750 units deposit, I withdrew 960 units (so 210 profit) and I still have 1566 units in the account. All this is from real money play online on Live dealer Euro wheels, over the last 6 days.

PS: Sorry for the long post.

[RouletteGhost]

Hello all. For those who don't like the marty (1-3-9), since we do get a LOT of 1st or 2nd bet win, we can use a shortened Fibo (shortened meaning it starts 1-2-... instead of 1-1-2-...).

Here's how I play it:

• I use the Fibo sequence 1-2-3-5-8-13, total cost 64 (I know, it costs more than 1-3-9, feel free to shorten or lenghten it to suit your bankroll). My BR for 1 session is 80 units (see point 3 for the reason), total BR is 240 units.
• On the 1st win AFTER a loss, I'll parlay my win on the next bet (so if I won the 8 bet, on my next bet I'll bet 12); if I win the parlay, it's back to 1 unit (unless the parlay win was at the 13 bet, then I'll bet 5 afterwards to finish recouping). I always round up on the parlay bet when required. If you LOSE the parlay bet you simply continue the progression as if you didn't get the 1st win.
• Since I play on a Euro wheel, I only cover the 0 when my bet is OVER 5 unit on each dozen (or if the last number hit was 26-0-32). The reason I do this is because in order to NOT lose too much profit when betting 0, you also have to increase your base bets by the same amount, which means every 1 unit on 0 costs me 3 to bet; when you win it's OK but when you lose you now have to bet 3 times as much to cover the 0 in order to recoup the loss on the previous bet. Of course, when your base unit is say $15 or more, you can probably take the small loss of a few $$ and simply bet the 0.
• WHEN you lose the progression (for it WILL happen), what I do first is change table, then for the next 10 winning mini sessions (10 times in profit for a bet, so either a win on 1st bet or a parlay win) I'll double my starting unit BUT I'll remove a step from my progression in case of a loss (thankfully, no back to back losses so far).
• Last part of my money management: as stated, my total BR is 3 times a session amount (so 240 units); when I get to 4 times (so 320 units), I'll withdraw one BR (I play online), and I'll up my unit value by 1.

The reason I use a 6 step Fibo is simply because I used to play this against 1-2-3-a-b-c (where a b and c are columns), with the aim of winning 6 units and then switching table; it was doing OK but on the Euro wheel 1-2-3 and a-b-c happened often enough to barely be profitable. Then I played against 1-3-2-a-c-b which was a bit better. But with thist latest tweak (only if the last 3 dozen or column are unique), it's going MUCH better. I do have a slight variation though: when I get a trigger (let's say 2-1-3), I'll play it against dozens AND columns after (so I'll play against 2-1-3-b-a-c), or if my trigger on columns (let's say c-b-a), I'll play columns first (so c-b-a-3-2-1).

So here are my results so far (each number is a "session" which can be between 2 tables and 8 tables, each days is 3-5 sessions):
1. Starting BR of 750 units (so my base unit is 3)
2. 789 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
3. 710 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), a few wins then a loss followed by recoup session
4. 775 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
5. 868 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
6. 875 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), loss right off the bat, recovery session and enough wins for a small profit
7. 964 unist (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 240 units, new BR now 724 units and base unit is now 4
8. 824 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
9. 946 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
10. 859 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), few wins, a loss, recovery
11. 926 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
12. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
13. 1197 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
14. 1302 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 320 units, new BR now 982 units and base unit is now 5
15. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), lots of wins, a loss, recovery and a few more wins
16. 1197 units (vs 3 last if unique) (all wins on 1st bet this one)
17. 1304 units (vs 3 last if unique)
18. 1513 units (vs 3 last if unique)
19. 1690 units (vs 3 last if unique), withdraw 400 units, new BR NOW 1290 UNITS and base unit is now 6
20. 1398 units (vs 3 last if unique)
21. 1566 units (vs 3 last if unique)

So far, with my 750 units deposit, I withdrew 960 units (so 210 profit) and I still have 1566 units in the account. All this is from real money lplay online on Live dealer Euro wheels.

PS: Sorry for the long post.

Not much to say. Except WOW.

With this tweak the numbers speak for themselves.

With all the tests coming out confidence in this is rising high.

[RouletteGhost]

Betting against a unique pattern such as 132 to repeat. Why does it work? What makes it so special where when we bet this way the losses are few and far between?

I have a theory.

The way I see it is this:

The roulette wheel is random. Whatever happens next had the same probability to happen before and to happen again. Each spin is independent.

A random entity spitting out a unique pattern 2, 3, 4 times in a row in exactly the same way is a tough thing for it to do.

Look at it this way. Lottery. You play take 4 daily numbers. Today winning numbers are 1532. Are we going to see 1532 tomorrow? Probably not

With the dozens we aren't betting when the past 2 decisions were 223. Only when all 3 are unique and separate. This gives us an advantage because the wheel repeating it happens only so seldom.

In all the tests I've seen the 1 loss one might have is way compensated for by the plethora of wins. The wins outweigh the losses, (in mini games of 3).

We will see
231
232. WHOA almost a repeat, but no cigar. THIS is seldom as well. As many have said, most wins are on 1st or 2nd attempt, rarely the 3rd.

What I am saying is...we might see 123 123 or 213 213 right after the other back to back but the odds i believe are in our favor. Math guys will call it gamblers fallacy. That's fine.

I believe we can (as we are) using random against itself. "HEY Mr. Roulette Wheel you son of a bit*h! Let me see you repeat a unique pattern 3 times in a row ON THE DOZENS! Bet ya can't!!"

A lot of people are winning with it though.

[MrJ]

(I have not read every post) QUESTION >> how many wins equals ONE loss?

Ken

[RouletteGhost]

(I have not read every post) QUESTION >> how many wins equals ONE loss?

Ken

2 wins equals 1 loss. so far the math has 1 loss every 350 spins or so. I am using 139, so the 1 loss every 300 or so spins means nothing. I will test noreiles tweak with new prog.

Depending if we play it as mini games - 4 bet opportunities an hour or ROLLING 11 bet opportunities an hour. on average. add columns to the party and double the opportunities.

75 spins yesterday. on a rolling basis had dozens and columns on the sheet, playing both at same time had 18 betting opportunities. Only one made it to 3rd step of prog

why do i believe in it? the math matches EVERYTIME. we will see 5 uniques an hour in mini games.....matches up everytime....on a rolling basis, double it

Mr. J look at the archives. Find the unique dozen pattern and see if you see any repeats of it.
look for
123
132
213
231
312
321

see how often you see one of these formations repeat

(i went through the 185 spin sets from albahala, went through about 4 185 spin tests, had 1 repeat of 123123 back to back)

[RouletteGhost]

16. 1197 units (vs 3 last if unique) (all wins on 1st bet this one)
17. 1304 units (vs 3 last if unique)
18. 1513 units (vs 3 last if unique)
19. 1690 units (vs 3 last if unique), withdraw 400 units, new BR NOW 1290 UNITS and base unit is now 6
20. 1398 units (vs 3 last if unique)
21. 1566 units (vs 3 last if unique)

Hello,



This is good:

"I do have a slight variation though: when I get a trigger (let's say 2-1-3), I'll play it against dozens AND columns after (so I'll play against 2-1-3-b-a-c), or if my trigger on columns (let's say c-b-a), I'll play columns first (so c-b-a-3-2-1)"

[Noreilles]

And just to clarify a few things: I play rolling triggers to get more (on dozens and columns), one trigger gives me 2 bets (one on dozens, win or lose  the mini series of 3 one trigger on columns also). I do wait out to finish the mini game of 3 before switching (so say I win dozens on 1st bet, I'll wait 2spins before betting columns). Lastly, I use the same fibo progression for both dozens and columns (so if I lose the 3 bets on dozens, my 1st bet on columns will be for 5 units).

[RouletteGhost]

And just to clarify a few things: I play rolling triggers to get more (on dozens and columns), one trigger gives me 2 bets (one on dozens, win or lose  the mini series of 3 one trigger on columns also). I do wait out to finish the mini game of 3 before switching (so say I win dozens on 1st bet, I'll wait 2spins before betting columns). Lastly, I use the same fibo progression for both dozens and columns (so if I lose the 3 bets on dozens, my 1st bet on columns will be for 5 units).

Thanks for clarifying. One more question, how many unique repeats have you seen example 231 231?

[Noreilles]

I don't write down numbers, but going from memory I'd say 4 times in the last 6 days: twice recently, but on the board before I started betting, on columns both times, once on dozen against 1-2-3 (while I was betting, one of my losses) and the last on dozens again, when I was playing against 1-3-2-a-b-c, but it happened while I was betting the columns, the previous dozens repeated (3-1-2 I think). But this is online, across 12 wheels I play on (some more than others)

[nottophammer]

Noreilles
What Is best betting against on euro wheel  1,2,3  or 1,3,2

[Noreilles]

The best is betting against the last 3 if no repeats, then would be 1-3-2 and ladt 1-2-3

[RouletteGhost]

Yea betting against previous 3 if unique is #1 i agree

[RouletteGhost]

here is a set of dozens/columns that ive used before

using it again to test Noreilles tweak

if there is a dozen unique, for example 321, i will bet against it then when the 3 spin mini game is finished i will then play against 321 on the columns (CBA) immediately after and vice versa

test attached

i would give you 10 applauds if i could....you may take the gold medal here....

i dont think this is one of those things that will do good for a bit and then tank. i just dont see that. even a method that does good for a bit then tanks at least has SOME losses here and there........

18 bet opportunities all won 139

[RouletteGhost]

The beauty of this tweak is that we have on average 5 bet opportunities an hour on dozens and 5 on columns. For a total of on average 10

Now since after every trigger we also bet on the other side it doubles the opportunities. So we go from 5 on dozens to 10 on dozens and columns to about 20 an hour with tweak

[thelaw]

Hello all. For those who don't like the marty (1-3-9), since we do get a LOT of 1st or 2nd bet win, we can use a shortened Fibo (shortened meaning it starts 1-2-... instead of 1-1-2-...).

Here's how I play it:

• I use the Fibo sequence 1-2-3-5-8-13, total cost 64 (I know, it costs more than 1-3-9, feel free to shorten or lenghten it to suit your bankroll). My BR for 1 session is 80 units (see point 3 for the reason), total BR is 240 units.
• On the 1st win AFTER a loss, I'll parlay my win on the next bet (so if I won the 8 bet, on my next bet I'll bet 12); if I win the parlay, it's back to 1 unit (unless the parlay win was at the 13 bet, then I'll bet 5 afterwards to finish recouping). I always round up on the parlay bet when required. If you LOSE the parlay bet you simply continue the progression as if you didn't get the 1st win.
• Since I play on a Euro wheel, I only cover the 0 when my bet is OVER 5 unit on each dozen (or if the last number hit was 26-0-32). The reason I do this is because in order to NOT lose too much profit when betting 0, you also have to increase your base bets by the same amount, which means every 1 unit on 0 costs me 3 to bet; when you win it's OK but when you lose you now have to bet 3 times as much to cover the 0 in order to recoup the loss on the previous bet. Of course, when your base unit is say $15 or more, you can probably take the small loss of a few $$ and simply bet the 0.
• WHEN you lose the progression (for it WILL happen), what I do first is change table, then for the next 10 winning mini sessions (10 times in profit for a bet, so either a win on 1st bet or a parlay win) I'll double my starting unit BUT I'll remove a step from my progression in case of a loss (thankfully, no back to back losses so far).
• Last part of my money management: as stated, my total BR is 3 times a session amount (so 240 units); when I get to 4 times (so 320 units), I'll withdraw one BR (I play online), and I'll up my unit value by 1.

The reason I use a 6 step Fibo is simply because I used to play this against 1-2-3-a-b-c (where a b and c are columns), with the aim of winning 6 units and then switching table; it was doing OK but on the Euro wheel 1-2-3 and a-b-c happened often enough to barely be profitable. Then I played against 1-3-2-a-c-b which was a bit better. But with thist latest tweak (only if the last 3 dozen or column are unique), it's going MUCH better. I do have a slight variation though: when I get a trigger (let's say 2-1-3), I'll play it against dozens AND columns after (so I'll play against 2-1-3-b-a-c), or if my trigger on columns (let's say c-b-a), I'll play columns first (so c-b-a-3-2-1).

So here are my results so far (each number is a "session" which can be between 2 tables and 8 tables, each days is 3-5 sessions):
1. Starting BR of 750 units (so my base unit is 3)
2. 789 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
3. 710 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), a few wins then a loss followed by recoup session
4. 775 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
5. 868 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
6. 875 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), loss right off the bat, recovery session and enough wins for a small profit
7. 964 unist (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 240 units, new BR now 724 units and base unit is now 4
8. 824 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
9. 946 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
10. 859 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), few wins, a loss, recovery
11. 926 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
12. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
13. 1197 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
14. 1302 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 320 units, new BR now 982 units and base unit is now 5
15. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), lots of wins, a loss, recovery and a few more wins
16. 1197 units (vs 3 last if unique) (all wins on 1st bet this one)
17. 1304 units (vs 3 last if unique)
18. 1513 units (vs 3 last if unique)
19. 1690 units (vs 3 last if unique), withdraw 400 units, new BR NOW 1290 UNITS and base unit is now 6
20. 1398 units (vs 3 last if unique)
21. 1566 units (vs 3 last if unique)

So far, with my 750 units deposit, I withdrew 960 units (so 210 profit) and I still have 1566 units in the account. All this is from real money play online on Live dealer Euro wheels, over the last 6 days.

PS: Sorry for the long post.

Now this is how you test a system.

Please keep us updated. Much appreciated!