Here is my "trigger" idea for LINE betting:
Single 0.
Wait for 1st spin.
If RO or BE then bet lines 13/18 and 31/36
If BO or RE then bet lines 1/6 and 19/24
Flatbet only @1 unit
If a RO, BE, BO or RE repeats then stop betting.
Only resume betting when a different type occurs...
Casino Spielbank; Wiesbaden 14 SEP 2010; Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500, first spin
2,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
3,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
4,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
5,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
6,24,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
7,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
8,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
9,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
10,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
11,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
12,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
13,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
14,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
15,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
16,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
17,4,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
18,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
19,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
20,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
21,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
22,13,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
23,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
24,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
25,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
26,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
27,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
28,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
29,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
30,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
31,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
32,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
33,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
34,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
35,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
36,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
37,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
38,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
39,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
40,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
41,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
42,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,526,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
43,4,Bet,2,6,-2,4,530,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
44,17,Bet,2,6,-2,4,534,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
45,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
46,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
[/table]
Max drawdown = 10
Highest bet = 2 (1-1)
+36u profit.
Again flat betting @ 1u.
Casino Spielbank Wiesbaden 15 SEP 2010; Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
3,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
4,4,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
5,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
6,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
7,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
8,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
9,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
10,30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
11,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
12,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
13,17,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
14,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
15,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
16,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
17,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,532,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
18,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,530,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
19,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
20,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,534,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
21,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,532,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
22,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,530,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
23,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
24,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,532,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
25,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,530,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
26,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
27,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,534,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
28,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
29,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,530,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
30,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,528,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
31,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
32,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
[/table]
+36 in 32 spins :)
Nice result - probably lucky though!
Could also maybe be improved using a separate mild progression and bank for EACH line combo...
Yesterday, I tested 2 sessions at live online casino, playing +1 after 2 losers and -1 after a win. Separate banks for both line combo's and separate w/l registry... Both sessions won 25 units. Avg playing time was Ihr 10m per session. Highest bet per line = 4.
Seems working OK so far.
A.
Again flatbet @ 1 unit....
Casino Spielbank Wiesbaden 15 SEP 2010; Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
4,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
5,17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
6,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
7,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
8,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
9,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
10,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
11,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
12,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
13,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
14,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
15,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
16,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
17,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
18,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
19,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
20,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
21,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
22,33,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
23,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
24,33,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
25,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
26,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
27,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
28,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
29,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
30,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
31,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
32,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
33,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
34,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
35,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
36,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
38,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
39,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
40,23,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
41,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
42,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
43,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
44,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
45,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
46,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
47,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
48,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
49,33,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
50,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
51,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
52,21,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
53,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line (19-24)
[/table]
+4
Not as good but still no loss
Same session using +1 after 3 losses; down 2 after a win
e.g.: if won on 3rd @ 3 then next bet 1st @ 3...
(However reset to 1 when equal or ahead of current highest figure)
By the way, contrary to what I originally thought, it seems to work much better NOT using separate banks and progression for each line combo!
Casino Wiesbaden 15 SEP 2010; Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
4,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
5,17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
6,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
7,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
8,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
9,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
10,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
11,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
12,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
13,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
14,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
15,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
16,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
17,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
18,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
19,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,498,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
20,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
21,5,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,492,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
22,33,Bet,6,18,-6,12,504,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
23,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,500,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
24,33,Bet,6,18,-6,12,512,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
25,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,508,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
26,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,504,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
27,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
28,6,Bet,6,18,-6,12,516,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
29,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
30,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
31,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
32,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
33,31,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
34,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
35,18,Bet,4,12,-4,8,510,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
36,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
38,29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
39,14,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,498,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
40,23,Bet,6,18,-6,12,510,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
41,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
42,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
43,5,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,496,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
44,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
45,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
46,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
47,5,Bet,6,18,-6,12,508,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
48,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,504,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
49,33,Bet,6,18,-6,12,516,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
50,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
51,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
52,21,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
53,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
[/table]
+20 in 53 spins
Highest Bet = 3
A.
Flatbetting 1-1 :
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 16 SEP 2010; Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
3,32,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
4,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
5,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
6,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
7,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
8,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
9,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
10,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
11,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
12,24,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
13,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
14,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
15,22,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
16,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
17,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
18,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
19,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
20,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
21,13,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
22,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
23,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
24,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
25,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
26,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
27,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
28,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
29,30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
30,24,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
31,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
32,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
33,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
34,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
35,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
36,24,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
37,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
38,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
39,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
40,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
41,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
42,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
43,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
44,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
45,3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
46,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
47,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
48,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
49,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
50,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,526,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
[/table]
+26 in 50 spins.
Now same session with progression as before: 111,222,333,444 etc... back 2 stages on a win - resetting when level or ahead.
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 16 SEP 2010; Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,32,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
4,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
5,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
6,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
7,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
8,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
9,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
10,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
11,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
12,24,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
13,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
14,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
15,22,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
16,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
17,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
18,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
19,26,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
20,2,Bet,4,12,-4,8,514,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
21,13,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
22,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
23,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
24,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
25,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
26,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
27,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
28,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
29,30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
30,24,Bet,4,12,-4,8,524,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
31,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
32,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,526,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
33,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
34,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
35,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
36,24,Bet,4,12,-4,8,530,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,534,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
38,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
39,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,530,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
40,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
41,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
42,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
43,34,Bet,4,12,-4,8,536,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
44,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,534,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
45,3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,538,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
46,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
47,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,536,
48,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,536,
49,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,540,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
50,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,544,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
[/table]
+44 in 50 spins.
Highest Bet = 2
Regards,
Atlantis.
Now moving on to TABLE 9 for same day (yesterday)
First flatbetting @ 1-1
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 16 SEP 2010; Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
3,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
4,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
5,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
6,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
7,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
8,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
9,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
10,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
11,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
12,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
13,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
14,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36 W)
15,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
16,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
17,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
18,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
19,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
20,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
21,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
22,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
23,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
24,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
25,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
26,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
27,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
28,23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
29,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
30,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
31,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
32,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
33,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
34,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
35,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
36,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) L
37,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
38,3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
39,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
40,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
41,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
42,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
43,13,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
44,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
45,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
46,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
47,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
48,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
49,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
50,23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
51,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
52,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
53,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
54,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) L
55,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24) W
56,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36) W
[/table]
+22 in 56 spins.
Now same table with mild progression as before:
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 16 SEP 2010; Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
4,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
5,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,496,
6,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
7,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
8,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
9,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
10,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
11,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
12,34,Bet,4,12,-4,8,502,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
13,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
14,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
15,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
16,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
17,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
18,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
19,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
20,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
21,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
22,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
23,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
24,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
25,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
26,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
27,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
28,23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
29,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
30,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
31,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
32,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
33,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
34,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
35,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
36,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
38,3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
39,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
40,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
41,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
42,6,Bet,4,12,-4,8,520,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
43,13,Bet,2,6,-2,4,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
44,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
45,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,526,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
46,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
47,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
48,36,Bet,4,12,-4,8,530,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
49,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,534,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
50,23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,532,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
51,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,530,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
52,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
53,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
54,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,524,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
55,19,Bet,4,12,-4,8,532,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
56,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
[/table]
+36 in 56 spins.
Highest Bet = 2
I am liking it so far.
Consistent results.
Ease of Play.
Hits appear coming regularly.
We shall see :)
Cheers,
A.
--Don't grasp;-- no bet situations--
--Any poss.to bring 7-12/25-30 into the play,
with chance of creating something like Cubanopros
SD bets on DS instead of dozens.
Any ideas Atlantis--btw like this above/CEH-Lol/
but one never knows...could you explain more exact rules.
Looks very interesting atlantis, nice work !
Is this your final draft ?
Maybe as Flat says, re evalute U're rules and betting etc
Let me know and I can move this Thread to Systems when U're ready :thumbsup:
atlantis other then when you have a repeat and there is a no bet and you lose do you stay on the same line thanx.w.
Quote
Let me know and I can move this Thread to Systems when U're ready
Ok Twister. I will let you know about that soon as possible when ready for transfer.
@Warrior,
I will write the simple rules in another way:
Single 0.
Red Odd and Black Even numbers: Bet the 2 lines that do NOT contain ANY of these numbers e.g.:
13-18 and 31-36
Red Even and Black Odd numbers: Bet the 2 lines that do NOT contain ANY of these numbers e.g.:
1-6 and 19-24
Bets are only made after a SINGLE formation or occurrence of ANY of the EC's RO, RE, BE, BOExample
======
19R - R/O so bet lines 3 and 6 (13-18 & 31-36)
4B - LOST 2 - B/E so bet lines 3 and 6 (13-18 & 31-36)
2B - LOST 2 - B/E repeats so no bet
26B - NO BET - B/E repeats so no bet
21R - NO BET - R/O so bet lines 3 and 6 (13-18 & 31-36)
0G - LOST 1 - IGNORE AND USE LAST RESULT - bet lines 3 and 6 (13-18 & 31-36)
17B - WON 4 - B/O so bet lines 1 and 4 (1-6 & 19-24)
29B - LOST 2 - B/O repeats so no bet
3R - NO BET - R/O so bet lines (13-18 & 31-36)
13B - WON 4- B/O so bet lines 1 and 4 (1-6 & 19-24)
3R - WON 4 - R/O so bet lines 3 and 6 (13-18 & 31-36)
Total so far = +5
======
@ F_LAT_INO,
I haven't been following that thread you mentioned but I will have a read of it. This is something that came to mind when doing the chop/streak EC thread. Sorry, I cannot offer any further idea just yet. I cautiously don't want to change anything - just keeping it very simple - while it is still working right now, but is surely possible future tweaks and changes can be incorporated for some customisation, no doubts. Thanks.
Regards,
A.
Took this Line Combo Bet strategy to Real Casino tonite to try out on real table.
Started with bank of 60 units.
Played 3 hours on same table (using progression) and won +104 units!!!
Highest bet = 4u
To say I am pleased is an understatement.
Felt a bit guilty as others were losing...
Nice feeling when cashing in. :)
It rocks!
A.
A,
Once again a good looking system.
Here's a session I did. I'd like to get your thumbs up if I played it correctly.
Spin Bet Total
R34 NB
B13 1 1 -2
R12 1 1 -4
R16 1 1 -6
B29 NB
B24 2 2 +2 Re-set
B26 1 1 -2
B29 NB
R9 1 1 -4
B31 1 1 0 Re-set
0 1 1 -2
R21 1 1 +2 Re-set
R9 1 1 -2
R27 NB
R18 NB
R1 1 1 +2 Re-set
B13 1 1 +4 Re-set
R16 1 1 -2
B28 1 1 -4
B26 1 1 -6
B24 NB
R7 NB
R32 2 2 +2 Re-set
R32 1 1 -2
B10 NB
R14 1 1 +2 Re-set
B35 1 1 -2
B22 1 1 +2 Re-set
0 1 1 -2
B15 1 1 +2 Re-set
B10 1 1 -2
R25 1 1 -4
B4 1 1 -6
R16 2 2 +2 Re-set
B2 1 1 +4 Re-set
Pretty easy so far.
+24 after only 35 spins.
Highest bet 2 & 2 units.
Largest drawdown -6.
I have to run now, tomorrow I will finish this session. It does take a turn for the worse. Does it recover? Stay tuned to find out.
George
Quote from: GLC on Sep 18, 12:53 AM 2010
Here's a session I did. I'd like to get your thumbs up if I played it correctly.
Confirmed +24 :thumbsup:
Here it is again with rolling total:
Spin Bet Total
R34 NB
B13 1 1 -2
R12 1 1 -4
R16 1 1 -6
B29 NB
B24 2 2 +2 Re-set
B26 1 1 +0
B29 NB
R9 1 1 -2
B31 1 1 +2 Re-set
0 1 1 +0
R21 1 1 +4 Re-set
R9 1 1 +2
R27 NB
R18 NB
R1 1 1 +6 Re-set
B13 1 1 +10 Re-set
R16 1 1 +8
B28 1 1 +6
B26 1 1 +4
B24 NB
R7 NB
R32 2 2 +12 Re-set
R32 1 1 +10
B10 NB
R14 1 1 +14 Re-set
B35 1 1 +12
B22 1 1 +16 Re-set
0 1 1 +14
B15 1 1 +18 Re-set
B10 1 1 +16
R25 1 1 +14
B4 1 1 +12
R16 2 2 +20 Re-set
B2 1 1 +24 Re-set
+24
Atlantis.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 17, 11:39 PM 2010
Took this Line Combo Bet strategy to Real Casino tonite to try out on real table.
Started with bank of 60 units.
Played 3 hours on same table (using progression) and won +104 units!!!
Highest bet = 4u
To say I am pleased is an understatement.
Felt a bit guilty as others were losing...
Nice feeling when cashing in. :)
It rocks!
A.
that's Excellent atlantis :thumbsup:
When you say highest bet was 4 Units, is that 16 Units in total ?
Cheers
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 18, 05:41 AM 2010
that's Excellent atlantis :thumbsup:
When you say highest bet was 4 Units, is that 16 Units in total ?
2 x 4 units = 8 units total was the highest bet placed.
Table was quiet and I was playing alone for a lot of the time so got more spins per hour. I used a casino card to track as the marquee wasn't working properly... Around 260 spins.
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 17 SEP 2010; Table 8
====================================
(using progression)
Result = +24 in 70 spins.
Highest bet = 4.
I'm thinking maybe try and do "fender" type attack tactics. A couple of hit and run sessions per day. Try and grab 5-10 units..? Not get too greedy - also if going into negative and then recovering, quit if gaining a few units positive as others recommend... Thinking now of trying online live dealer with low limit chips e.g.: 25p 50p. Will save on taxi expenses from/to Casino (extra expenditure that has to be recouped)
GLC's +24 and the above +24 are perfectly acceptable quit points - but it's good to see what will happen with longer sessions and what may need to be done when the inevitable scenario of the bad session arrives.
A.
if you guys wanna do some more testing here's 180 live spins from smart live casino's auto roulette wheen (air).
this is fromt he low limit wheel ... min units 0.25
the spins are in order from newest to oldest ...
so when doing your tests you need to START FROM THE BOTTOM! and work back over to the top ....
I just gave this a little Test Drive, here is what happened
27
35 W +8
36 L +4
17 L 0
25 L -4
21 L -12 (2 Units)
6 NB
1 L -20
35 W -4
1 W +4 (1 Unit)
31 W +12
10 L +8
33 W +16
23 W +24
27 L +20
2 NB
25 L +16
8 L +12
33 W +28 (2 Units)
2 W +36 (1 Unit)
+36 Units in 20 Spins :thumbsup:
Biggets DD 20 Units
Side Note: Any opinions on a Positive Progression ?
Thanks twister. I did a longer test with these SLC numbers from Fraudster...
SLCasino numbers:
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
4,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
5,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
6,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
7,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
8,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
9,19,Bet,4,12,-4,8,502,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
10,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
11,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
12,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
13,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
14,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
15,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
16,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
17,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
18,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
19,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,490,
20,34,Bet,4,12,-4,8,498,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
21,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
22,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
23,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
24,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,486,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
25,18,Bet,6,18,-6,12,498,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
26,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
27,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
28,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,490,
29,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,490,
30,22,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,484,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
31,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,484,
32,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,484,
33,14,Bet,6,18,-6,12,496,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
34,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,492,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
35,33,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,486,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
36,22,Bet,6,18,-6,12,498,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
38,27,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,488,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
39,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
40,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
41,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
42,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
43,3,Bet,6,18,-6,12,500,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
44,36,Bet,4,12,-4,8,508,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
45,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
46,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
47,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
48,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
49,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
50,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
51,2,Bet,4,12,-4,8,510,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
52,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
53,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
54,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
55,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,500,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
56,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
57,33,Bet,4,12,-4,8,508,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
58,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
59,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
60,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
61,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
62,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
63,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
64,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
65,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
66,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
67,2,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,510,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
68,15,Bet,4,12,-4,8,518,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
69,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
70,5,Bet,4,12,-4,8,524,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
71,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
72,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
73,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
74,26,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,514,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
75,14,Bet,4,12,-4,8,522,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
76,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
77,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
78,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,516,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
79,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,512,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
80,35,Bet,4,12,-4,8,520,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
81,29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,516,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
82,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,512,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
83,23,Bet,4,12,-4,8,520,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
84,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,516,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
85,36,Bet,4,12,-4,8,524,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
86,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
87,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
88,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
89,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
90,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,526,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
91,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,530,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
92,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,528,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
93,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
94,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
95,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,534,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
96,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,534,
97,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,538,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
98,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
99,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,540,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
100,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,538,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
101,17,Bet,2,6,-2,4,542,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
102,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,540,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
103,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,538,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
104,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
105,15,Bet,4,12,-4,8,544,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
106,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,548,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
107,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,552,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
108,23,Bet,2,6,-2,4,556,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
109,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
110,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,558,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
111,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,556,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
112,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
113,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
114,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
115,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,552,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
116,35,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,548,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
117,3,Bet,4,12,-4,8,556,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
118,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
119,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
120,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
121,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,550,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
122,18,Bet,4,12,-4,8,558,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
123,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,562,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
124,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,566,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
125,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,564,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
126,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,564,
127,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,564,
128,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,562,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
129,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,562,
130,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,566,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
131,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,564,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
132,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,562,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
133,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,562,
134,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,562,
135,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,560,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
136,21,Bet,4,12,-4,8,568,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
137,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,572,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
138,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,570,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
139,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,570,
140,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,568,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
141,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,568,
142,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,568,
143,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,566,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
144,33,Bet,4,12,-4,8,574,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
145,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,572,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
146,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,576,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
147,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,580,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
148,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,578,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
149,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,582,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
150,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,580,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
151,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,580,
152,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,578,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
153,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,576,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
154,35,Bet,4,12,-4,8,584,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
155,4,Bet,2,6,-2,4,588,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
156,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,586,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
157,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,586,
158,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,584,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
159,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,584,
[/table]
Stopped here due to lack of time.
+84 in 159 spins
Highest Bet = 3
A.
GREAT JOB ATLANTIS im still not cleare on your progression thanks W.
Really good stuff A.
Damn impressive results so far.
I'll test when I can get a moment mate.
BW
Quote from: warrior on Sep 18, 08:15 AM 2010
GREAT JOB ATLANTIS I'm still not cleare on your progression thanks W.
Hi Warrior,
Progression I am using:
111,222,333,444 etc... etc..
On a win count back 2 stages in the line and restart from there. UNLESS level or ahead to current highest bank in which case reset to the beginning of string...
Forward 1 step on a loss, back 2 steps on a win.
e.g.: If won 1st bet of 3, next bet will be 2nd bet of 2 - that is to say 2 units on EACH appropriate line
A.
OK GOT IT THANX BUD.
Quote from: warrior on Sep 18, 08:36 AM 2010
OK GOT IT thanks BUD.
Ohhhhhhhhh ???
I've been doin it wrong :o
I thought when you said -2 on a win = IF I was on 3 Units I go back to 1 Unit OR if I was on 4 Units I go back to 2 Units !!
I now see 111 222 333 444 555 etc etc as a string you move along !
Much better :thumbsup:
Hi all,
I am fortunate enough to be within a 30 minute drive from my local casino. The casino offers single 0, double 00 and air ball double 00 roulette. Clearly, I play the single 0 roulette. With that in mind, I played 145 spins with the line combo bet. I made 68 units with the progression of up 1 following 2 losses and down 1 on a win with resetting at level or higher high. I then ran those same spins with a flat bet strategy: result of +20. Those same spins with the 111, 222, 333, etc progression gave me +26 units. I was a bit surprised it being a tad lower than the other progression. There was however two runs of 11 losses and one of 9 losses. But over all this strategy is a definite keeper. Great work A. Thanks for sharing your efforts and insights with the rest of us.
Gerry
Quote from: GreatOne on Sep 18, 10:34 AM 2010
Hi all,
I am fortunate enough to be within a 30 minute drive from my local casino. The casino offers single 0, double 00 and air ball double 00 roulette. Clearly, I play the single 0 roulette. With that in mind, I played 145 spins with the line combo bet. I made 68 units with the progression of up 1 following 2 losses and down 1 on a win with resetting at level or higher high. I then ran those same spins with a flat bet strategy: result of +20. Those same spins with the 111, 222, 333, etc progression gave me +26 units. I was a bit surprised it being a tad lower than the other progression. There was however two runs of 11 losses and one of 9 losses. But over all this strategy is a definite keeper. Great work A. Thanks for sharing your efforts and insights with the rest of us.
Gerry
+1 on LL ?
I shall give that a try Gerry :thumbsup:
Hey Guys,
The progression Atlantis is using is also called the Penthouse progression. I think if you search for Penthouse in the forum, you can find a farily clear definition of it.
I don't have time to list out the remainder of my session last night, so here is a summary.
Won +8 units in 35 spins.
Highest bet was 10 ( two 5 unit bets).
Lowest drawdown was -56 units.
Took 20 spins to get -56 and only 8 spins to come out to +2. Great recovery.
This is another of those systems where I'm scratching my head trying to determine why this should work any better than any other dozens system.
We all know that it can have a spin sequence where it goes very deep in the negative, so be sure and have a personal stop loss.
LOL,
George
George,
Much like your game, in the 145 spins and using the 111, 222, 333 etc progression, I noted that it went up +54 then dropped to -10, so a negative movement of 64 units, but recovered to come up +40 then again dropped to -16, a negative movement of 56 units, to finally end up at +26 units. The progression which gave me the +68 units had the similar ups and downs of equal amplitude. Clearly, I did have an emotional "roller coaster" ride. Nonetheless, a recovery to end up in the positive.
As noted, I had twice 11 losses and one of 9. Would these be typical of betting on traditional dozens? The bet selection comes from the EC's of R/B and O/E which is not dozen wagering.
Food for thought.
Gerry
Gerry,
If you remember THE ZONE by Fender1000, his system occassionally had 12 or more losses in a row. The difference with his is that there was a longer period of No Bets than with this system, so the losses weren't in consecutive spins.
If you play the dozens for repeats, which is just another way of selecting a dozen to bet on, you very often have 11 or more losses in a row.
If you pick a dozen and play only that dozen, it sleeps occassionally more than 11 times in a row.
So I would think that 11 or even more losses in a row are to be expected even with this system. The challenge is to have a betting strategy that can recover in the majority of these cases. And of course, stay ahead of the occassion loss.
I suppose if you had a stop-loss of 1000 units and your win target was 100 units, you might be lucky enough to never hit your stop-loss in this lifetime. On the other hand you could be unlucky and hit it twice in a row. (Very, very unlikly I admit)
So far I think it's stable enough that it might be worth risking 1000 units for 100. Okay, maybe it's a little premature for this statement.
One good thing about the penthouse progression is that you can make it more aggressive by going to 1-1,2-2,3-3 or even 1,2,3.
Or, more conservative by going to 1-1-1-1-,2-2-2-2,3-3-3-3 or 5 steps or more. The further you go in the conservative direction the closer you get to a flat bet.
And the classic single dozen martingale is 1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21-31-47-70 etc... This gives you a higher total after any win.
Regards,
George
I don't know if we can improve on this basic concept that Atlantis has presented. It has a very high hit rate with good potential.
I'm sure that if you programmed it and ran it through a million spins, it would probably lose like all systems seem to. But, since we aren't going to play a million spins, ...
I was just thinking, for those who prefer to play double dozen bets, this system is easily adapted to dozens.
If you spin a BO or RE, Dbl Streets 1 and 4 fall in dozens 1 & 2, so we could bet them and cover 2/3 of the board.
If you spin a BE or RO, dbl streets 3 & 6 fall in dozens 2 and 3, so we could bet them.
We could bet plus 1 on a loss and -1 on 2 wins or some variation thereof.
We have to be careful though because this tweak may lose the edge Atlantis' trigger system gives us.
Cheers,
G
Further Test Results !
I know its a small sample, but I test manually usin a Real Wheel.
I chose to use 11 22 33 44 55 etc Progression, +1 after LL -1 after W
Here is what happened !
1
2 L -4
26 L -8
5 NB
2 L -16
13 W 0
18 L -8
19 W +8
14 W +16
20 W +24
34 W +32
18 L +28
20 NB
12 L +24
30 L +16
33 NB
1 W +32
32 W +40
5 W +48
5 L +44
26 NB
30 Miss due to Lag
18 L +40
33 W +56
21 L +52
9 NB
25 NB
1 NB
18 W +60
21 L +56
28 W +64
35 L +60
12 W +68
21 W +76
17 L +72
0
28 L +68
27 L +60
15 W +76
5 W +92
35 W +100
41 Spins
+100 Units
Stopped at +100 as thats me done in a Session :thumbsup:
Quote from: GreatOne on Sep 18, 12:02 PM 2010
George,
Much like your game, in the 145 spins and using the 111, 222, 333 etc progression, I noted that it went up +54 then dropped to -10, so a negative movement of 64 units, but recovered to come up +40 then again dropped to -16, a negative movement of 56 units, to finally end up at +26 units. The progression which gave me the +68 units had the similar ups and downs of equal amplitude. Clearly, I did have an emotional "roller coaster" ride. Nonetheless, a recovery to end up in the positive.
As noted, I had twice 11 losses and one of 9. Would these be typical of betting on traditional dozens? The bet selection comes from the EC's of R/B and O/E which is not dozen wagering.
At last I have experienced the rollercoaster effect to an appreciable degree!
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 17 SEP 2010; Table 9
Session starts off badly and at Spin 31 is at -44, but by spin 61 has now recovered to +22.
(would have quit earlier!)
Continuing to see what occurs a bad run manifests and at Spin 137 the bank stands at
-116.... but by Spin 152 has again recovered to +22.
Highest Bet was 2x8u
Good to see you had a nice session +100 @Twister :)
@GLC. Thanks for your contributions and alternative ideas.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 18, 02:24 PM 2010
At last I have experienced the rollercoaster effect to an appreciable degree!
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 17 SEP 2010; Table 9
Session starts off badly and at Spin 31 is at -44, but by spin 61 has now recovered to +22.
(would have quit earlier!)
Continuing to see what occurs a bad run manifests and at Spin 137 the bank stands at
-116.... but by Spin 152 has again recovered to +22.
Highest Bet was 2x8u
Good to see you had a nice session +100 @Twister :)
@GLC. Thanks for your contributions and alternative ideas.
A.
A,
The way this thing recovers is pretty exciting. I see we haven't even gotten close to losing 1000 units.
G.
@George
I too share that opinion.
I found 11 22 33 44 55 very good, but I accept its early days in the world of testing
Im not a great believer in the "million spins test", I wont ever play 1 million lol
Im happy to test it for around 1000 personal spins and if it gives me the feel of fun and has potential to end in a + situ then Im happy to put 1000 Units behind it and go for it ! :thumbsup:
Guys, thinking out loud here...
Same selection rules as before.
A more riskier approach.
Double Streets Progression
11111 222 33 4 5 6 7 8 10 12 14 17 21
25 30 36 43 52 62 74 88 107 (255 units)
The above 29-step string could maybe be used for EACH PART of the line combo
Would mean 2 banks of 255 required. A win on any side means that particular prog. string is reset to 1 on that side...
However if level or in profit overall - BOTH strings reset.
The lines 1-6 and 13-18 would have its own string
The lines 19-24 and 31-36 would have its own string.
Regards,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 04:26 AM 2010
Guys, thinking out loud here...
Same selection rules as before.
A more riskier approach.
Double Streets Progression
11111 222 33 4 5 6 7 8 10 12 14 17 21
25 30 36 43 52 62 74 88 107 (255 units)
The above 29-step string could maybe be used for EACH PART of the line combo
Would mean 2 banks of 255 required. A win on any side means that particular prog. string is reset to 1 on that side...
However if level or in profit overall - BOTH strings reset.
The lines 1-6 and 13-18 would have its own string
The lines 19-24 and 31-36 would have its own string.
Regards,
A.
atlantis
I think 2 strings is a good idea
I will try it first using 11 22 33 44 55 etc etc
Gonna resume testing today :thumbsup:
I tried the 255u prog on that bad session from 17 Sep.
It's not good. One side can fail to show for more than 29 times. Here is the proof. Played only this one session to see if progression fails. It does. Disappointing, I know - especially since it reaches a high of +85 at one point.
I know I made a slight mistake in the chart but it makes no difference to the losing string at the end... At least we know now and can discount it!
11111 222 33 4 5 6 7 8 10 12 14 17 21
25 30 36 43 52 62 74 88 107 (255 units)
# L1,4 L3,6 +/-
===================
27
28 -1 -1 -2
36 -1 +5 +2 *reset
======================
7 -1 -1 +1
21 -1 -1 -1
13 nb
33 -1 -1 -3
12 -1 -1 -5
6 +5 -1 -1
===
25 -1 -2 -4
11 -1 -2 -7
36 -1 -2 -10
35 -1 -3 -14
29 -1 -3 -18
23 -2 +20 +0
====
5 -2 -1 -3
13 +10 -1 +6 *reset
===================
15 -1 -1 +4
7 nb
20 -1 -1 +2
29 -1 -1 +0
22 -1 +4 +3
====
31 -1 +5 +7 *reset
=======================
33 -1 -1 +5
35 -1 -1 +3
14 nb
32 -1 -1 +1
26 -1 -1 -1
24 -1 +5 +3
===
19 -2 -1 +0
8 -2 -1 -3
32 +10 -1 +6
3 +5 -1 +10 *reset
=======================
23 -1 -1 +8
35 -1 +5 +12 *reset
========================
16 -1 -1 +10
21 -1 +5 +14 *reset
========================
25 -1 -1 +12
33 nb
30 -1 -1 +10
23 -1 +5 +14 *reset
========================
33 -1 +5 +18 *reset
========================
21 -1 +5 +22 *reset
========================
31 -1 +5 +26 *reset
========================
27 -1 -1 +24
0 -1 -1 +22
4 +5 -1 +26 *reset
=========================
7 -1 -1 +24
23 -1 -1 +22
11 nb
5 +5 -1 +26 *reset
=========================
2 -1 -1 +24
2 -1 -1 +22
21 nb
18 +5 -1 +26 *reset
=========================
36 -1 -1 +24
12 nb
31 -1 -1 +22
19 -1 -1 +20
33 -1 +5 +24
===
1 +5 -1 +28 *reset
=========================
3 -1 -1 +26
3 nb
20 -1 -1 +24
6 -1 -1 +22
8 -1 -1 +20
28 nb
6 nb
21 nb
25 -1 -1 +18
4 nb
11 -2 -2 +14
5 +10 -2 +22
====
28 -1 -2 +19
4 +5 -3 +21
====
30 -1 -3 +17
15 -1 -4 +12
36 -1 -5 +6
24 -1 +30 +35 *reset
==========================
28 -1 -1 +33
18 nb
12 -1 -1 +31
9 -1 -1 +29
10 -1 -1 +27
6 -1 -1 +25
22 nb
35 -2 +10 +33
====
30 -2 -1 +30
35 -2 -1 +27
32 -3 -1 +23
15 -3 -1 +19
28 -4 -1 +14
9 -5 -2 +7
14 +30 -2 +35 *reset
===========================
7 -1 -1 +33
34 -1 +5 +37 *reset
===========================
20 -1 +5 +41 *reset
===========================
13 +5 -1 +44 *reset
===========================
27 -1 -1 +42
26 -1 -1 +40
30 -1 -1 +38
27 -1 -1 +36
33 +5 -1 +40
===
35 -1 -2 +37
23 nb
7 -1 -2 +34
36 -1 +10 +45 *reset
===========================
10 -1 -1 +43
23 -1 -1 +41
20 -1 -1 +39
1 -1 -1 +37
33 -1 +5 +41
===
33 -2 -1 +38
22 nb
30 -2 -1 +35
24 -2 +5 +38
===
13 +15 -1 +52 *reset
============================
33 -1 -1 +50
16 -1 -1 +48
1 +5 -1 +52 *reset
============================
0 -1 -1 +50
21 -1 -1 +48
34 nb
24 -1 +5 +52 *reset
============================
9 -1 -1 +50
12 -1 -1 +48
30 -1 -1 +46
25 nb
20 -1 -1 +44
3 -1 -1 +42
0 -2 -2 +38
30 -2 -2 +34
29 -2 -2 +30
25 -3 -3 +24
21 -3 -3 +18
5 nb
21 -4 -4 +10
11 -5 -5 +0
15 -6 -6 -12
15 nb
2 nb
16 +35 -7 +16
===
29 -1 -8 +7
16 -1 -10 -5
20 -1 +60 +54 *reset
==============================
15 -1 -1 +52
36 -1 -1 +50
3 +5 -1 +54 *reset
==============================
32 -1 +5 +58 *reset
==============================
33 -1 -1 +56
5 +5 -1 +60 *reset
==============================
13 +5 -1 +64 *reset
==============================
17 -1 -1 +62
22 nb
16 +5 -1 +66 *reset
===============================
26 -1 -1 +64
36 +5 -1 +78 *reset
===============================
26 -1 -1 +76
19 -1 -1 +74
3 -1 -1 +72
16 nb
24 -1 +5 +76
===
9 -1 -1 +74
27 -2 -1 +71
13 nb
14 -2 -1 +68
16 -2 -1 +65
34 nb
11 nb
16 -3 -1 +61
17 -3 -2 +56
35 -4 -2 +50
25 -5 -2 +43
25 -6 -3 +34
29 nb
5 +35 -3 +66
===
12 -1 -4 +61
24 -1 +25 +85 *reset
================================
4 -1 -1 +83
11 nb
14 -1 -1 +81
17 -1 -1 +79
1 +5 -1 +83
===
23 -1 -1 +81
33 nb
0 -1 -2 +78
33 -1 -2 +75
34 nb
17 -1 -2 +72
11 -1 -3 +68
15 nb
19 -2 -3 +63
25 -2 -4 +57
4 nb
13 +10 -5 +62
===
3 +5 -6 +61
===
11 -1 -7 +55
1 +5 -8 +52
===
30 -1 -10 +43
29 -1 -12 +30
24 -1 -14 +15
17 +5 -17 +3
===
36 -1 -21 -19
30 -1 -25 -45
33 -1 -30 -76
3 +5 -36 -117
===
23 -1 -43 -161
12 nb
1 +5 -52 -208
===
22 -1 -62 -271
30 -1 -74 -346
10 -1 -88 -435
22 -1 -105 -541
=======BUST===================
So back to the original way for now until better idea. I think it much safer, better way to play the original with 111,222,333 etc without separate sides/banks as before this latest experiment. (I also think I sorta found that out earlier on page 1 this thread)
One "safeguard" during play could be to stop and wait for virtual win after a predetermined number of L's, but I don't really know. Open to ideas.
A.
I was also going to post a similiar response :o
Two lines didnt work, and I had to leave the game
I was betting 2x6Units then betting 2x1Unit, before going bust.
Just doin another session now usin original system, but with 11 22 33 44 55 etc
Will update later :thumbsup:
HELL SESSION WITH AWESOME COMEBACK
Ok just finished a session, took about 1.5hrs (ish)
At one point I was almost out at -100
Check out the comeback !
Here is what happened usin 11 22 33 44 55 66 etc :thumbsup:
29
17 L -4
25 NB
26 L -12
23 L -20
1 L -32
5 NB
14 W -8
21 L -20
21 NB
1 NB
11 L -32
25 W 0
16 L -12
11 L -28
34 L -44
7 L -64
23 NB
31 L -84 * Almost out here !
18 W -36
20 L -56
4 NB
20 NB
24 NB
31 W -8
6 L -28
21 W +12
16 W +44
2 W +76
17 L +64
12 W +96
23 L +84
0 L +68
25 NB
19 NB
19 NB
17 L +60
30 L +48
28 W +80
33 W +112
I always quit around -100/+100 :thumbsup:
Hi twister,
It seems you are using a 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc progression...
If using 11,22,33,44,55,66 etc.. you would be be betting 2 x 1u TWICE so after your first bet you would be only -2 and not -4 (unless you started betting both lines @ 2u each?)
After your second bet you would be -4 and not -12?
It seems like you're playing it differently!
Also I noticed some times when you seemed to be betting the wrong lines.
e.g.:
29
17 L -4
25 NB
26 L -12
23 L -20
1 L -32
5 NB
14 W -8
21 L -20
21 NB *** should have bet here
1 NB
11 L -32
25 W 0 ** would have been loss - we never bet this line.
16 L -12
11 L -28
34 L -44
7 L -64
23 NB ** should have bet here
31 L -84 * Almost out here ! ** should be no bet
18 W -36 ** should have been loser here
20 L -56
4 NB ** loser here
20 NB
24 NB
31 W -8 ** loser here
6 L -28 ** should have been win here on line 1
21 W +12 **should be loser
16 W +44 **should be loser
2 W +76
17 L +64 ** should be winner
12 W +96 ** should be loser - we never bet this line!
23 L +84 ** should be winner
0 L +68
25 NB **should be loser
19 NB
19 NB
17 L +60 ** should be no bet
30 L +48
28 W +80 ** should be loser - we never bet this line!
You must be following different selection rules!
A.
Why so much importance to a progression?
Why don't you guys try it flat bet, and see if it really have a good bet selection?
I will do that now and post here the results :)
Hi Atlantis and thanks for sharing.
I tested this with flatbet only on both RNG spins and Real spins.
Wiesbaden numbers: -30 units in 243 spins
RNG numbers: +20 units in 300 spins.
As you can see it goes up and down, so we need to take advantage of the upswing. Lowest point was -46 with real spins and -30 with RNG spins.
Fripper
Atlantis
I think My results are 1 line out of sync with the numbers, my mistake when I typed it.....sorry :-[
Yep I was playing 1 Unit on 4 lines
Sorry for the tardy results
My only excuse is I live in a busy house and must of got distracted !
/ gives self 0/10 and must try harder !
@twister
Thanks for clearing up the mystery, mate.
Here is another session played with my recommended progression:
Casino Wiesbaden 18 SEP 2010; Table 8
==============================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
4,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
5,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
7,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
8,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
9,18,Bet,4,12,-4,8,504,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
10,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
11,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
12,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
13,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
14,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
15,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
16,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
17,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
18,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
19,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
20,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
21,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
22,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
23,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,498,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
24,15,Bet,4,12,-4,8,506,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
25,1,Bet,4,12,-4,8,514,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
26,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
27,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
28,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
29,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
30,23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
31,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
32,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
33,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
34,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
35,30,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
36,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,16,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,498,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
38,25,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,492,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
39,12,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,486,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
40,16,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,480,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
41,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,480,
42,22,Bet,8,24,-8,16,496,4 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
43,15,Bet,6,18,-6,12,508,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
44,15,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,504,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
45,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
46,21,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,498,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
47,33,Bet,6,18,-6,12,510,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
48,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
49,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
50,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
51,5,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,500,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
52,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
53,18,Bet,6,18,-6,12,512,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
54,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,508,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
55,15,Bet,6,18,-6,12,520,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
56,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
57,33,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
58,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
59,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
60,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
61,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
62,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
63,3,Bet,4,12,-4,8,524,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
64,33,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
65,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,526,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
66,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
67,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
68,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
69,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
70,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
[/table]
+36 in 70 spins.
Highest Bet = 4
Max drawdown = 36
Lowest Bankroll = 480/500
A.
Quote from: Fripper on Sep 19, 09:03 AM 2010
I tested this with flatbet only on both RNG spins and Real spins.
Wiesbaden numbers: -30 units in 243 spins
RNG numbers: +20 units in 300 spins.
As you can see it goes up and down, so we need to take advantage of the upswing. Lowest point was -46 with real spins and -30 with RNG spins.
Hey! Thanks for the graphs, Fripper. I agree with your comments. Quit while ahead when flatbetting at some point..
OK. So that is flatbetting only. Remember too I have tried this with progression at real casino and won +104 in around 260 continuous spins. Highest bet = 4.
That really has made me want to persevere with this further for the time being.
Again, thank you for your report.
A.
Atlantis
Nice Results there dude !
Im gonna do another session now (and try not to F it up :D )
Im gonna carry on testing with 11 22 33 44 etc for now just to see how it goes
:thumbsup:
After seeing all your sessions and tested it myself for 275 spins I think i've an idea for a progression.
I will post the results soon, flat betting and with progression
Hi A3on,
Thanks for joining in the quest to refine this. It is very much appreciated and I am looking forward to the result and suggestions resulting from your investigations.
It is good to have your cooperation and participation on this.
A.
A,
I went back through your sequence that caused you to bust and just playing those last 25 spins with 111,222,333. I was at +30 but but ended with a 4 step losing streak when I ran out of numbers. A few more spins and I don't doubt I would have been up even more.
This is definitely a safer way to bet.
The interesting thing is that Twisteruk's 11,22,33 progression is more aggressive, but on these numbers he would have only been at +28 just before the 4 step losing streak at the end.
G.
Just one question
The progression works like this:
111,222,333,444,...
L - forward one step
W - Back 2 steps
Just that right?
What was the max backdrawn using that progression you guys had?
Quote from: A3on on Sep 19, 11:28 AM 2010
Just one question
The progression works like this:
111,222,333,444,...
L - forward one step
W - Back 2 steps
Just that right?
What was the max backdrawn using that progression you guys had?
That's right, A3on. Reset when level or new high of course.
My worst session so far was once only when after a 22 pt lead the bank went from +22 to -116 - that's a d/down of 138... 15 spins later had recovered to +22 and I stopped.
Highest bet 2 x 8 u.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 11:40 AM 2010
That's right, A3on. Reset when level or new high of course.
My worst session so far was once only when after a 22 pt lead the bank went from +22 to -116 - that's a d/down of 138... 15 spins later had recovered to +22 and I stopped.
Highest bet 2 x 8 u.
A.
A.
I've been thinking, (always a dangerous activity) about the factor that makes the Full Trioplay a fairly good strategy. It is the fact that when you start getting into the higher bets he applies a safety mechanism that causes you to return to the starting point more quickly, albeit at the cost of a few units. But, by moving backward at more steps when the bets get larger, it keeps us from escalating out of control and finally crashing.
I understand that every system can have a sequence that results in large drawdowns and a stop loss is very necessary. It's not unlike the "brake" used by the 6 point divisor to slow things down and keep the bets smaller during losing streaks.
Maybe something like when we get down more than 30 units go to taking 3 or 4 steps backward on a loss. And, when we get down 100 units maybe go back 5 or 6 steps on a loss.
When we finally get back to betting 1 & 1 we take any units that we are down as a loss and reset. This will keep us from losing a big chunk even though it will cause a small loss.
The down side is that if we stayed at our original staking plan, we could recover at an accelerated pace and as we have seen should we have a few wins close together and reach a profit instead of taking a loss.
Just some thoughts.
G
Just done a quick 1hrs Spin Test
30 Spins
Profit +34
Lowest Point -6
Biggest bet was 2x3 Units (once)
Used 11 22 33 Progression :thumbsup:
G,
Good points you make. Reducing stake at pertinent times and halting until a virtual win are measures that could be incorporated to manage bet levels so that they don't escalate too quickly. It can certainly help to pause or economise while waiting until a "bad" sequence or run ends... It's definately worthy of consideration, G.
At the moment I cannot come up with a better progression, I'm afraid.
I'm breaking off for today - so will have some time later to think about today's developments. Thanks.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 19, 12:39 PM 2010
G,
Good points you make. Reducing stake at pertinent times and halting until a virtual win are measures that could be incorporated to manage bet levels so that they don't escalate too quickly. It can certainly help to pause or economise while waiting until a "bad" sequence or run ends... It's definately worthy of consideration, G.
At the moment I cannot come up with a better progression, I'm afraid.
I'm breaking off for today - so will have some time later to think about today's developments. Thanks.
A.
HI atlantis, every thing in this system stays the same ,i have changed 2 things I'm finding there are less L's AND MORE W's, 3 session and all winners so far I have added to this system the DS 2 AND DS 5 WITH PROGRESSION level 1
1-1
level 2
2-2
level 3
4-4
reset when in profit or even give it a try. oh almost forgot this is a 24 number bet.
1 session 50 spins starting bank 500 profit 630 4 level in progression 3 times
2 session50 spins bank 500 profit 780 4 level 2 times
3 session 50 spins bank 500 profit 655 level 4 1 time
4 session 50 spins bank 500 profit 680 level 4 2 times
5 session 50 spins bank 500 profit 720 level 4 1 time.
so far no losses but that will soon change it always does .w.
Quote from: warrior on Sep 20, 11:11 AM 2010
HI atlantis, every thing in this system stays the same ,i have changed 2 things I'm finding there are less L's AND MORE W's, 3 session and all winners so far I have added to this system the DS 2 AND DS 5 WITH PROGRESSION level 1
1-1
level 2
2-2
level 3
4-4
reset when in profit or even give it a try. oh almost forgot this is a 24 number bet.
Warrior,
I like the results your getting.
Are you betting the 2 & 5 dbl streets to way I suggested in Reply #26 or a different way?
George
Warrior,
with your 24 number bet, what DS's are the triggers for betting? For example, DS2 hits, so now which 4 DS's do you bet on? etc
Thanks a lot
BW
OK SO 6 session 500 bank profit 550 went to 4th level stayed there for 2 spins my bank was even but stayed at level 4 for 2 more spins made the profit that i lost back, finished with 550 . everything stays the same as atlantis system the triggers and rules the only thing im doing is adding those 2 double streets to the original bet and making it 24 number bet, well so far so good i will keep testing this one.W.
Just did another 1hrs spin test
30 Spins
+28 Profit
using 11 22 33 44 etc etc
Highest Bet 4 (twice)
Biggest DD -14 (twice)
I used the Original Method of 12 Numbers :thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on Sep 20, 05:43 PM 2010
OK SO 6 session 500 bank profit 550 went to 4th level stayed there for 2 spins my bank was even but stayed at level 4 for 2 more spins made the profit that I lost back, finished with 550 . everything stays the same as atlantis system the triggers and rules the only thing I'm doing is adding those 2 double streets to the original bet and making it 24 number bet, well so far so good I will keep testing this one.W.
Hi warrior,
Ok. Seems an acceptable variation to add in those 2 lines and adjust the progression because of "safer" bet and would probably appeal now more to dozen bettors...
I tried a session 20 Sep 2010 at Wiesbaden; Table 8:
50 spins +22
Max drawdown = 30
Highest bet 4 (twice)
Thanks,
A.
Ive decided to give this (Original Method) a go with Real Cash :)
I will play 111 222 333
I will Update as things unfold :thumbsup:
7 SESSION 500 bank 50 spins 600 profit 4 level 1 time
8 same same same 640 profit 4 level 3 times
Session One
30 Spins
11 Wins
Profit +24 Points
Hi Twister,
You are very brave - testing this for real money :o
I am glad you win the first session.
Please do be careful though...
Are you playing at live online casino or rng? And which one if you do not mind me asking..? It may not matter in the end but I've only tested with real numbers and not random... Fripper posted a graph earlier that showed rng did better so...?
It would be well to bear in mind GLC's ideas on stop-loss and quit targets etc.
Remember with that progression you drop back two places in the string after a win.
OK. Preaching over ... ;D
Look forward to your results!
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 21, 10:53 AM 2010
Hi Twister,
You are very brave - testing this for real money :o
I am glad you win the first session.
Please do be careful though...
A.
Thanx atlantis appreciate your support :thumbsup:
I am starting with a small stake mind you
I will post each session like above as it happens !
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 21, 11:00 AM 2010
thanks atlantis appreciate your support :thumbsup:
I am starting with a small stake mind you
I will post each session like above as it happens !
Wow! This thing seems to be performing quite well. I think that I'll put everything else on hold while we attack this baby until we make it squeal so we can see what kind of sequence causes it to fail. There has to be one. Hopefully it comes up so rarely that it's not going to be anything but a bump in the road.
Good luck Twisteruk with your live play.
G
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 21, 10:53 AM 2010
Hi Twister,
You are very brave - testing this for real money :o
I am glad you win the first session.
Please do be careful though...
Are you playing at live online casino or rng? And which one if you do not mind me asking..? It may not matter in the end but I've only tested with real numbers and not random... Fripper posted a graph earlier that showed rng did better so...?
It would be well to bear in mind GLC's ideas on stop-loss and quit targets etc.
Remember with that progression you drop back two places in the string after a win.
OK. Preaching over ... ;D
Look forward to your results!
A.
oooooo you did a massive edit on me :xd:
I am playing at an online live casino. Soz but I hate RNG....
Im usin Smartlive Casino
Yep Im goin back and forward along the string, -2 on a W :thumbsup:
Ive got my Session targets
I dont know how many Sessions I will play a day, some will be more or less than others I expect.
Cheers :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 21, 11:25 AM 2010
oooooo you did a massive edit on me :xd:
I am playing at an online live casino. sorry but I hate RNG....
I'm using Smartlive Casino
Yep I'm goin back and forward along the string, -2 on a W :thumbsup:
I've got my Session targets
I don't know how many Sessions I will play a day, some will be more or less than others I expect.
I presume playing live low limit auto-roulette (airball) ?
I am member there so next time you are doing a session maybe u can let me know the time GMT you are starting... I can log in and follow you in fun mode... I will see your name in player's list.
Good Luck.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 21, 11:35 AM 2010
I presume playing live low limit auto-roulette (airball) ?
I am member there so next time you are doing a session maybe you can let me know the time GMT you are starting... I can log in and follow you in fun mode... I will see your name in player's list.
Good Luck.
A.
Yes thats correct atlantis !
Im starting as low as possible, im in no rush and if this holds up i can increase my stakes as and when
My account is set to hide my name/bets, but i can change it if you want to watch ?
Plz pm me if thats the case and i will tell you my player name and time i next play :thumbsup:
OK9 session, bank 500 profit 580 drawdown 440 level 4 2times.
Quote from: GLC on Sep 21, 11:22 AM 2010
Good luck Twisteruk with your live play.
G
Thanx George :)
I have a brother who's going to go on an all day visit to a local casino. He has been donating to the casino's bottom line in the past by playing slots, a sure loser in the long run.
He knows that I have been testing Roulette strategies so he wants me to recommend a system that is easy to play and has a good chance for him to walk out a winner.
I'm thinking that this may be the one to recommend. We've got 7 days to get a better feel for the best way to play it; 2 ea. dbl lines or 2 ea. dozens.
Thanks Guys,
G
Quote from: warrior on Sep 21, 11:49 AM 2010
OK9 session, bank 500 profit 580 drawdown 440 level 4 2times.
Hi Warrior,
Do you mean you have won 80 units in 9 sessions?
A.
Quote from: GLC on Sep 21, 11:52 AM 2010
I have a brother who's going to go on an all day visit to a local casino. He has been donating to the casino's bottom line in the past by playing slots, a sure loser in the long run.
He knows that I have been testing Roulette strategies so he wants me to recommend a system that is easy to play and has a good chance for him to walk out a winner.
I'm thinking that this may be the one to recommend. We've got 7 days to get a better feel for the best way to play it; 2 ea. dbl lines or 2 ea. dozens.
Thanks Guys,
G
I have to say I prefer the Original
I did try the other method, but each to his or her own :thumbsup:
hi atlantis, if i total up my 9 session ,base bet 5units on 4 DS =20 $ then of coarse your progression after that, profit 1195$. i dont no if this will hold up for now .
Just an idea.
Everything exact same as before for original method but add in as warrior suggests Line 2 and Line 5 each time as an extra bet but not at same stake... Instead these additional lines are bet for a quarter value of the current unit stake. I think half-value is too much...
It acts as a kind of an "insurance" measure and means you don't lose ALL your stake should those lines appear...
For instance if betting 2 primary lines at 1 unit the secondary lines 2 & 5 are staked @ 0.25.
A full loss will mean -2.5 but if line 2 or 5 hits only a 1 unit loss is suffered...
If betting 2u on the main lines then 0.5 (quarter of 2) must be staked on the lines 2 and 5.
A full loss would be -5 but a secondary line winner would reduce that loss to -2
The system is operated exactly as before in the progression (only primary line wins are counted as W - otherwise it's an L)
When lines 2 and 5 are hitting often which they sometimes do on a bad run - possibly this counter measure can help to curtail losses somewhat.
I have to say I have not sufficiently tested this to know if it is any better - but it sounds plausible?
Here are some of GLC's numbers from earlier illustrating this idea.
Spin Bet Total
R34 NB
B13 1.25 1.25 -2.5
R12 1.25 1.25 -3.5 *loss only 1u
R16 1.25 1.25 -6
B29 NB
B24 2.5 2.5 +1 Re-set
B26 1.25 1.25 +0 *loss only 1u
B29 NB
R9 1.25 1.25 -1 *loss only 1u
B31 1.25 1.25 +2.5 Re-set
0 1.25 1.25 +0
R21 1.25 1.25 +3.5 Re-set
R9 1.25 1.25 +2.5 *loss only 1u
R27 NB
R18 NB
R1 1.25 1.25 +5 Re-set
B13 1.25 1.25 +8.5 Re-set
R16 1.25 1.25 +6
B28 1.25 1.25 +5 *loss only 1u
B26 1.25 1.25 +4 *loss only 1u
B24 NB
R7 NB
R32 2.5 2.5 +11 Re-set
R32 1.25 1.25 +8.5
B10 NB
R14 1.25 1.25 +12 Re-set
B35 1.25 1.25 +9.5
B22 1.25 1.25 +13 Re-set
0 1.25 1.25 +10.5
B15 1.25 1.25 +14 Re-set
B10 1.25 1.25 +13 *loss only 1u
R25 1.25 1.25 +12 *loss only 1u
B4 1.25 1.25 +9.5
R16 2.5 2.5 +16.5 Re-set
B2 1.25 1.25 +20 Re-set
+20 (this is 4 pts less than GLC's original result)
What you think, Warrior??
A.
Session Two
Spins 30
Wins10
Profit +24pts
Total Profit +48pts
I should add, in the Total Spins that also includes the NB's
So although it looks about 33% (around where it should be) it is infact closer to 45-50% :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 21, 12:55 PM 2010
Session Two
Spins 30
Wins10
Profit +24pts
Total Profit +48pts
Exceptionally good result for 30 spins! ;)
A.
PS. I made a mistake in my previous result. Should be +21 (Spin 16 1R; I only added 2.5 win when should be 3.5 win)
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 21, 02:24 PM 2010
Exceptionally good result for 30 spins! ;)
A.
Yes so far Ive batted above my average, with around 45-50% wins
Im sure im due a tough session soon !
Session Three
Spins 33
Wins 7
Loss - 20pts
Total Profit +28pts
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 21, 03:42 PM 2010
Session Three
Spins 33
Wins 7
Loss - 20pts
Total Profit +28pts
Thanks for your latest result. Sometimes we must stop with a loss.
A.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 21, 02:30 PM 2010
I'm sure I'm due a tough session soon !
Damn that was sooooooooooooo TRUE !
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 21, 03:45 PM 2010
Thanks for your latest result. Sometimes we must stop with a loss.
A.
Yeah it was one of those ones really :yawn:
Started with 5 L's !
Will resume 2moz :thumbsup:
I not a fan of progressions but I will test this one with the progression and Wiesbaden numbers of March 2010. I will post results here.
Cool. Thanx Fripper :thumbsup:
Session Four
Spins 38
Wins 7
Loss - 28pts
Total Profit 0pts
Session Five
Spins 33
Wins 7
Profit 0pts
Total Profit 0pts
Hi guys this is a possible tweak for this method,
little aggressive but .....see results:
When RO and BE bet A= lines 13-18 and 31-36
When RE and BO bet B= lines 1-6 and 19-24
When repeat not bet. Ex : RE RE no bet, BO BO no bet .
Right Atlantis ? (I am not sure if i am doing right/wrong ? )
Session using this progression (Barracuda hybrid)
- at w +1, but after 3 : -2 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +1, but at 3 LLLs -2 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3) reset to 1unit
(or even better stop and bet again after some wins).
stop-loss at -100
33 BO bet B bet 1u on each line
26 BE L1 -2 bet A bet 2u on each line
34 RE w +6 bet B bet 3u
3 RO w +18 bet A bet 4u
32 RE w +34 bet B bet 2u
34 RE L1 +30 no bet
35 BO bet B bet 3u
12 RE L2 +24 bet B bet 4u
2 BE w +40 bet A bet 5u
33 BO w +60 bet B bet 6u
2 BE w +84 bet A bet 4u
24 BE L1 +76 no bet
32 RE bet B bet 5u
0 L2 +66 bet B bet 6u
32 RE L3 +54 no bet
22 BE bet A bet 4u
24 BE L1 +46 no bet
29 BO bet B bet 5u
5 RO w +66 bet A bet 6u
26 BE L1 +54 bet A bet 7u
3 RO L2 +40 bet A bet 8u
15 BO w +72 bet B bet 9u
13 BO L1 +54 no bet
8 BE bet A bet 10u
20 BE L2 +34 no bet
29 BO bet B bet 11u
33 BO L3 +12 no bet
31 BO no bet
26 BE bet A bet 9u
7 RO L1 -6 bet A bet 10u
32 RE w +34 bet B bet 11u
26 BE L1 +12 bet A bet 12u
31 BO w +60 bet B bet 13u
16 RE L1 +34 bet B bet 14u
23 RO w +90 bet A bet 15u
21 RO L1 +60 no bet
33 BO bet B bet 16u
9 RO L2 +28 bet A bet 17u
9 RO L3 -6 no bet
29 BO bet B bet 15u
21 RO w +66 bet A bet 16u
17 BO w +130 bet B bet 17u
7 RO w +198 stop session
Max. down -6
Max. up +198
session 2
7 RO bet A bet 1u
31 BO w +4 bet B bet 2u
12 RE L1 0 bet B bet 3u
2 BE w +12 bet A bet 4u
28 BE L1 +4 no bet
19 RO bet A 5u
34 RE w +24 bet B 6u
24 BE w +48 bet A 7u
25 RO L1 +34 bet A 8u
32 RE w +66 bet B 9u
1 RO w +102 bet A 10u
24 BE L1 +82 bet A 11u
13 BO w +126 bet B 12u
24 BE w +174 bet A 13u
36 RE w +226 bet B bet 11u
35 BO L1 +204 bet B 12u
11 BO L2 +180 no bet
1 RO bet A 13u
11 BO L3 +154 bet B 11u
14 RE L1 +132 bet B 12u
27 RO L2 +108 bet A 13u
29 BO L3 +82 bet B reset to 1u ! (twice L1L2L3)
35 BO L1 +80 no bet
6 BE bet A 2u
31 BO w +84 bet B 3u
2 BE w +90 bet A 4u
3 RO L1 +82 bet A 5u
30 RE L2 +72 bet B 6u
13 BO L3 +60 bet B 4u
23 RO w +76
Max. *down * o
Max up +226
Maybe just lucky !?
Cheers
@Kattila,
Very very interesting. There's a lot to like about it. Tried a quick session +186 in 33 spins ;d/d -54; highest bet=14
I can confirm you are playing and selecting the correct way.
So glad you posted this more 'aggressive' approach.
I will carefully study it and test some more.
So we have:
the original way with progression 111,222,333....
warriors way with lines 2 & 5 added and progression 1-1,2-2,3-3...
my variation of warriors way with lines 2 & 5 only added at quarter units. Original progression 111,222,333,etc..
kattila's barracuda hybrid attacking stake plan above.
A.
WoW Katt thats aggressive !
Nice results though :thumbsup:
Using Kattila numbers above here is my variation on warriors way (quarter units on lines 2 &5)
33 BO nb
26 BE 1.25 1.25 - 1 L
34 RE 1.25 1.25 +2.5 * W
3 RO 1.25 1.25 +6 * W
32 RE 1.25 1.25 +9.5 * W
34 RE 1.25 1.25 +7 L
35 BO nb
12 RE 1.25 1.25 +6 L
2 BE 1.25 1.25 +9.5 * W
33 BO 1.25 1.25 +13 * W
2 BE 1.25 1.25 +16.5 * W
24 BE 1.25 1.25 +14 L
32 RE nb
0 1.25 1.25 +11.5 L
32 RE 1.25 1.25 +9 L
22 BE nb
24 BE 2.50 2.50 +4 L
29 BO nb
5 RO 2.50 2.50 +11 W
26 BE 1.25 1.25 +10 L
3 RO 2.50 2.50 +5 L
15 BO 2.50 2.50 +12 W
13 BO 1.25 1.25 +11 L
8 BE nb
20 BE 2.50 2.50 +5 L
29 BO nb
33 BO 2.50 2.50 +0 L
31 BO nb
26 BE nb
7 RO 2.50 2.50 -2 L
32 RE 3.75 3.75 +8.5 W
26 BE 2.50 2.50 +6.5 L
31 BO 2.50 2.50 +13.5 W
16 RE 2.50 2.50 +8.5 L
23 RO 2.50 2.50 +15.5 W
21 RO 1.25 1.25 +13 L
33 BO nb
9 RO 2.50 2.50 +11 L
9 RO 2.50 2.50 +9 L
29 BO nb
21 RO 2.50 2.50 +4 L
17 BO 3.75 3.75 +14.5 W
7 RO 2.50 2.50 +12.5 L
WON+12.5 in 43 numbers. Highest bet=3
Session High =16.5
If satisfied with small gains there were plenty of opportunities to quit the session in front.
There were 7 instances when betting that either line 2 or 5 occurred - so didn't incur a full stake loss on those bets :)
A.
*edited to correct error.
Just tested with First day of Wiesbaden in March.
Here is the result.
Was down -112 units in spin 163. So a stoploss of -100 kicked in there. But I continued all the spins and it did recover at last, but then it went down again so. I was really in the hole and I betted high amounts. It's very hard to get back if you get into the hole.
Sorry mates
Atlantis, can you crunch some numbers usin Katt's progression but usin your Original Method if you get chance ?
Cheers bud :thumbsup:
Quote from: Fripper on Sep 22, 08:17 AM 2010
Just tested with First day of Wiesbaden in March.
Here is the result.
Was down -112 units in spin 163. So a stoploss of -100 kicked in there. But I continued all the spins and it did recover at last, but then it went down again so. I was really in the hole and I betted high amounts. It's very hard to get back if you get into the hole.
Sorry mates
OK. Thanks fripper. I'm leaning more now towards warrior's way of adding in lines 2 and 5 or the quarter variation.... damage limitation measure... But I do like kattila's suggestion very much. In my 3 tests so far I made big profits in less spins, but it could be just initial luck. It has the inbuilt ability to skyrocket profits and produce a wonderful result and might be just what this system needs to boost it to another level...
@twister
How exactly do you wish me to operate Kattila's plan any differently than he sets out?
If it helps eliminate losing games like you recently experienced we must explore it...
Thanks,
A.
@Atlantis, yep my mistake lol :D
I guess as long as you get off to a flying start and have a big enough BR ure be ok ?
My latest result is the same as the flatbetting result that I did some time ago in this thread.They give the same result so, if you don't win flatbetting....
I hope you all can see that.
Session Six
Spins 30
Wins 11
Profit +36pts
Total Profit 36pts
Hey guys,
One thing that I've been noticing is that we are giving up a lot of units by resetting whenever we are at zero or plus.
I'm not sure that it's enough of a factor in keeping our bets low, but it certainly does keep our profits less.
When I test past sessions without resetting, just continuing the bet sequence and stop when I'm at my win target, I get there much quicker.
Using the killer session of Fripper's may change my mind.
On the other hand, Katilla's tweak could overwhelm this idea completely.
G
George
I thought the same
Next Session I will play 11 22 33 44 55 etc with +/-1 and No Reset
See what happens :thumbsup:
Check out these Numbers I got dished up !
18
10
12
28
22
0
30
32
24
28
14
36
11
27
5
21
4
3
12
32
34
26
18
14
25
4
Thankfully I was just paper betting :ooh:
Oh dear, twister! :'(
Nightmare numbers. It makes you want to give up! I am so disappointed...
Here are results using warrior variation (not good)
18 nb
10 1.25 1.25 -1 L
12 1.25 1.25 -2 L
28 1.25 1.25 -3 L
22 2.50 2.50 -5 L
0 nb
30 2.50 2.50 -7 L
32 2.50 2.50 -9 L
24 nb
28 3.75 3.75 -12 L
14 nb
36 3.75 3.75 -19.50 L
11 3.75 3.75 -22.50 L
27 5 5 -26.50 L
5 5 5 -36.50 L
21 nb
4 nb
3 5 5 -46.50 L
12 6.25 6.25 -51.50 L
32 6.25 6.25 -64 L
34 nb
26 nb
18 6.25 6.25 - 47.50 W
14 6.25 6.25 - 60 L
25 nb
4 6.25 6.25 -72.50 L
Flatbetting = -28
Warrior variation (above) = -72.50 (amended)
Katilla -28 (stop until win after six losses in a row)
Katilla cuts out losses after the 2 sets of 3L's until a virtual win.
2 - 4 - 6 (3 L's) go down 2u for next bet
2 - 4 - 6 (2nd 3L's) go down 2u for next bet
STOP
WAIT FOR PAPER (VIRTUAL) WIN then RESTART @1u
2-4 (2 L's)
Total=-28u
=======
Next bet would be 6u. (2 x 3u)
Katilla idea may be best to handle these sorts of situations.
A.
Woah !
Its even worse when you see it like that !
I guess this is gonna happen from time to time :yawn:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 22, 01:58 PM 2010
Woah !
Its even worse when you see it like that !
I guess this is gonna happen from time to time :yawn:
Tell me about it :-\
Well I revised my results above due to some miscalculation.
Kattila may be way to go! After that horrible session Kattila comes out with -28 (due to stops and betting reduction) Next bet would be 6u. (2 x 3u) A couple of wins and hey presto would be back in profitsville... :)
I very much like the way it handled those numbers.
Not giving up yet!
A.
To all:
From now on I only test using Kattila barracuda hybrid strategy
Thank you, Kattila.
;)
Atlantis.
Sounds like a Plan :thumbsup:
I like the idea of a stop at LLL LLL
VW and resume @ 1u
Look forward to some more numbers being crunched !
Session Seven (pre Katt decision)
Spins 27
Wins 6
Loss -20pts
Total Profit 16pts
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 02:21 PM 2010
Tell me about it :-\
Well I revised my results above due to some miscalculation.
Kattila may be way to go! After that horrible session Kattila comes out with -28 (due to stops and betting reduction) Next bet would be 6u. (2 x 3u) A couple of wins and hey presto would be back in profitsville... :)
I very much like the way it handled those numbers.
Not giving up yet!
A.
Sometimes, I like to hand pick losing spins so I can see what will kill my system. Okay, this time we got to see it in real life, but we all knew it was there.
Mr. J wouldn't even consider playing this system with less than 1000 $5 units, and with that kind of back-up, he could survive this little hiccough with the greatest of ease. And, he may never reach to bottom of 1000 unit bank in his life time.
A 100 unit bank is way too small for any of these type systems. If we're winning 15 to 30 units per hour, at $2 units, that's not exactly chump change.
I'm looking for a system that wins 100 units 20 to 30 times between 1000 unit losses. I think we have all worked on a few that may fit that specification. I think that this may be one of them.
Sure, it's nice to have a system that wins 5-10 units steadily, but just 1 downturn can wipe out a lot of units.
I like Katilla's tweak because it generates units quickly which means you can hit the 100+ unit mark often enough to stay ahead of these losing streaks.
Like Atlantis said, a short run of wins at almost any point with bigger betting units can recover from a lot of small unit losses quickly.
I'm just glad to finally see what we're up against.
G
Well said George,
Except that I knew it all the time,about a stop lose
limits.In my play that doesn't exists....only when
presenting some method here....but in real play never.
I stop when I see a pit boss and the dealer sweat why
don't I drop down after so many hits,but I get up and
ko very often.I just did it tonight in only 42 spins,and home
early.
Hi, GLC.
You wrote:
Quote
I have a brother who's going to go on an all day visit to a local casino. He has been donating to the casino's bottom line in the past by playing slots, a sure loser in the long run.
He knows that I have been testing Roulette strategies so he wants me to recommend a system that is easy to play and has a good chance for him to walk out a winner.
I'm thinking that this may be the one to recommend. We've got 7 days to get a better feel for the best way to play it.
I am hoping (and praying) that the method + kattila will be the answer you can give to him - but still now needs some more testing. But I AM optimistic, George. Also maybe if playing @25p units with a bank of Ã,£100, Ã,£150 or thereabouts might suffice for a start?
Of course higher units if the tests prove successful.
:)
A.
F_LAT_INO wrote:
Quote
I stop when I see a pit boss and the dealer sweat, why don't I drop down after so many hits, but I get up and ko very often.
;D
Nice one,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 22, 01:51 PM 2010
Oh dear, twister! :'(
Nightmare numbers. It makes you want to give up! I am so disappointed...
Here are results using warrior variation (not good)
18 nb
10 1.25 1.25 -1 L
12 1.25 1.25 -2 L
28 1.25 1.25 -3 L
22 2.50 2.50 -5 L
0 nb
30 2.50 2.50 -7 L
32 2.50 2.50 -9 L
24 nb
28 3.75 3.75 -12 L
14 nb
36 3.75 3.75 -19.50 L
11 3.75 3.75 -22.50 L
27 5 5 -26.50 L
5 5 5 -36.50 L
21 nb
4 nb
3 5 5 -46.50 L
12 6.25 6.25 -51.50 L
32 6.25 6.25 -64 L
34 nb
26 nb
18 6.25 6.25 - 47.50 W
14 6.25 6.25 - 60 L
25 nb
4 6.25 6.25 -72.50 L
Flatbetting = -28
Warrior variation (above) = -72.50 (amended)
Katilla -28 (stop until win after six losses in a row)
Katilla cuts out losses after the 2 sets of 3L's until a virtual win.
2 - 4 - 6 (3 L's) go down 2u for next bet
2 - 4 - 6 (2nd 3L's) go down 2u for next bet
STOP
WAIT FOR PAPER (VIRTUAL) WIN then RESTART @1u
2-4 (2 L's)
Total=-28u
=======
Next bet would be 6u. (2 x 3u)
Katilla idea may be best to handle these sorts of situations.
A.
I think you have this wrong with my variation on this 26 spin session ,ex.bet units 4 $ for 4 line and then comes prog.
18 nb
10 w +2 1-1
12w +4 1-1
28 w +6 1-1
22w +8 1-1
0 L +4 1-1
30w +8 2-2
32L +4 1-1
24W +8 2-2
28w +10 1-1
14w+12 1-1
36L +8 1-1
11 nb
27w+12 2-2
5L +8 1-1
21NB
4 NB
3L +0 2-2
12w+6 3-3
32L +2 1-1
34 NB
26 NB
18W+6 2-2
14l +2 1-1
25 nb
4L -6 2-2 26 SPINS MY FRIEND -6 not -72 cheers warrior.
Damn Im confused ???
Im off ta bed im old and tired lol
Let me know what you conclude :thumbsup:
Session using this progression (Barracuda hybrid)
- at w +1, but after 3 : -2 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +1, but at 3 LLLs -2 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3) reset to 1unit
(or even better stop and bet again after some wins).
Stop lose at -100, BUT this time ,
Let s see what is happening when we play without stop lose,
so non-stop.
This progression bring us back from hell. (?)
27 RO bet A 1u (each DS)
11 BO L1 -2 bet B 2u
26 BE L2 -6 bet A 3u
24 BE L3 -12 no bet
16 RE bet B 1u
10 BE L1 -14 bet A 2u
3 RO L2 -18 bet A 3u
36 RE w -6 bet B 4u
15 BO L1 -14 bet B 5u
5 RO w +6 bet A 6u
19 RO L1 -6 no bet
36 RE bet B 7u
34 RE L2 -20 no bet
2 BE bet A 8u
29 BO L3 -36 bet B 6u
2 BE w -12 bet A 7u
30 RE L1 -26 bet B 8u
33 BO L2 -42 bet B 9u
23 RO w -6 bet A 10u
3 RO L1 -26 bet A 11u
4 BE L2 -48 bet A 12u
24 BE L3 -72 no bet
21 RO bet A 10u
29 BO L1 -92 bet B 11u
6 BE w -48 bet A 12u
25 RO L1 -72 bet A 13u
21 RO L2 -98 no bet -98 !
5 RO no bet
14 RE bet B 14u
4 BE w -42 bet A 15u
34 RE w +18 bet B 16u than +18 !
15 BO L1 -14 bet B 17u
28 BE L2 -48 bet A 18u
14 RE w +24 bet B 19u
29 BO L1 -14 bet B 20u
14 RE L2 -54 bet B 21u
7 RO L3 -96 bet A 19u
1 RO L1 -134 no bet -134 !
35 BO bet B 20u
19 RO w -54 bet A 21u
15 BO w +30 bet B 22u than +30 !
34 RE L1 -14 bet B 23u
13 BO L2 -60 bet B 24 u
10 BE L3 -108 bet A 22u
6 BE L1 -152 no bet
9 RO bet A 23u
36 RE w -60 bet B 24u
33 BO L1 -108 bet B 25u
33 BO L2 -158 no bet
33 BO no bet
24 BE bet A 26u
5 RO L3 -210 bet A 24u
18 RE w -114 bet B 25u
35 BO L1 -164 bet B 26u
15 BO L2 -216 no bet -216 !
14 RE bet B 27u
4 BE w -108 bet A 28u
0 L1 -164 Bet A 29u
16 RE w -48 bet B 30u
21 RO w +72 bet A 31u
2 BE L1 +10 bet A 32u
18 RE w +138 than +138 !
End Session at +138
I was once at -98 but than recover to +18
.........once at -134 but than recover to +30
.........once at -216 ..........................+138
Please test guys .
Cheers.
Fripper, are you still going to continue the tests? I am still interested in that approach. New progression is too aggressive for me.
Yes this progression is agressive, but remember we can start from
0,50 per DS not necesary from 1, so:
- at w +0,50, but after 3 : -1 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +0,50, but at 3 LLLs -1 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3) reset to 1unit
(or even better stop and bet again after some wins).
good luck
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 22, 06:42 PM 2010
Session using this progression (Barracuda hybrid)
- at w +1, but after 3 : -2 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +1, but at 3 LLLs -2 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3) reset to 1unit
(or even better stop and bet again after some wins).
stop-loss at -100, BUT this time ,
Let s see what is happening when we play without stop-loss,
so non-stop.
This progression bring us back from hell. (?)
27 RO bet A 1u (each DS)
11 BO L1 -2 bet B 2u
26 BE L2 -6 bet A 3u
24 BE L3 -12 no bet
16 RE bet B 1u
10 BE L1 -14 bet A 2u
3 RO L2 -18 bet A 3u
36 RE w -6 bet B 4u
15 BO L1 -14 bet B 5u
5 RO w +6 bet A 6u
19 RO L1 -6 no bet
36 RE bet B 7u
34 RE L2 -20 no bet
2 BE bet A 8u
29 BO L3 -36 bet B 6u
2 BE w -12 bet A 7u
30 RE L1 -26 bet B 8u
33 BO L2 -42 bet B 9u
23 RO w -6 bet A 10u
3 RO L1 -26 bet A 11u
4 BE L2 -48 bet A 12u
24 BE L3 -72 no bet
21 RO bet A 10u
29 BO L1 -92 bet B 11u
6 BE w -48 bet A 12u
25 RO L1 -72 bet A 13u
21 RO L2 -98 no bet -98 !
5 RO no bet
14 RE bet B 14u
4 BE w -42 bet A 15u
34 RE w +18 bet B 16u than +18 !
15 BO L1 -14 bet B 17u
28 BE L2 -48 bet A 18u
14 RE w +24 bet B 19u
29 BO L1 -14 bet B 20u
14 RE L2 -54 bet B 21u
7 RO L3 -96 bet A 19u
1 RO L1 -134 no bet -134 !
35 BO bet B 20u
19 RO w -54 bet A 21u
15 BO w +30 bet B 22u than +30 !
34 RE L1 -14 bet B 23u
13 BO L2 -60 bet B 24 u
10 BE L3 -108 bet A 22u
6 BE L1 -152 no bet
9 RO bet A 23u
36 RE w -60 bet B 24u
33 BO L1 -108 bet B 25u
33 BO L2 -158 no bet
33 BO no bet
24 BE bet A 26u
5 RO L3 -210 bet A 24u
18 RE w -114 bet B 25u
35 BO L1 -164 bet B 26u
15 BO L2 -216 no bet -216 !
14 RE bet B 27u
4 BE w -108 bet A 28u
0 L1 -164 Bet A 29u
16 RE w -48 bet B 30u
21 RO w +72 bet A 31u
2 BE L1 +10 bet A 32u
18 RE w +138 than +138 !
End Session at +138
I was once at -98 but than recover to +18
.........once at -134 but than recover to +30
.........once at -216 ..........................+138
Please test guys .
Cheers.
This is what I'm talking about. I know this is pretty aggressive, but it delivers in the long run. Katilla's posted 3 sessions and he's already up over 550 units and he hasn't even gotten close to a real stop-loss.
I know testing is in the early stages and I tend to get excited early on. But this is showing real promise for those of us who like more action than waiting.
I'm wondering if we shouldn't just increase each bet by 1 unit until we are up enough to take a break, then start over at 1 and go for a roller coaster ride. This is up and down so much, there are lot's of jumping off places with a win.
On the other hand; Warrior's tweak seems to help some for those who like to take it slow and easy.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm still on board.
My brother wanted a system that would give him a chance to win something since he usually just donates his money to the one-armed-bandits. I'm thinking that this should get his heart pumping at least as much as a slot machine and with a lot better odds to win.
LoL,
George,
P.S. Sorry for my use of a lot of " figures of speech". If any of you don't understand what they mean, just ask and I'll rephrase.
Hi,
@Warrior my results for twister's nightmare numbers used my variation on your approach using quarter value units on lines 2 and 5 and sticking with the original 111-222-333... etc. progression... forward 1 on a loser; back 2 on a winner. In actual fact I had made a mistake in my result because I missed a "no-bet" so I publish the amendment below:
18 nb
10 1.25 1.25 -1 L
12 1.25 1.25 -2 L
28 1.25 1.25 -3 L
22 2.50 2.50 -5 L
0 nb
30 2.50 2.50 -7 L
32 2.50 2.50 -9 L
24 nb
28 3.75 3.75 -12 L
14 nb
36 3.75 3.75 -19.50 L
11 nb
27 3.75 3.75 -22.50 L
5 5 5 -32.50 L
21 nb
4 nb
3 5 5 -42.50 L
12 5 5 -46.50 L
32 6.25 6.25 -58.50 L
34 nb
26 nb
18 6.25 6.25 - 41.50 W
14 5 5 - 51.50 L
25 nb
4 6.25 6.25 -63.50 L
Corrected result=-63.50
That means my corrected result for flatbetting is -26
The Kattila result is the same at -28
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Warriors way is to use equal unit value on the additional lines 2 and 5 and use progression:
1-1,2-2,3-3,STOP
18 nb
10 w +2 1-1
12w +4 1-1
28 w +6 1-1
22w +8 1-1
0 L +4 1-1
30w +8 2-2
32L +4 1-1
24W +8 2-2
28w +10 1-1
14w+12 1-1
36L +8 1-1
11 nb
27w+12 2-2
5L +8 1-1
21NB
4 NB
3L +0 2-2
12w+6 3-3
32L +2 1-1
34 NB
26 NB
18W+6 2-2
14l +2 1-1
25 nb
4L -6 2-2
Result= -6
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So although I am going to resume testing with the kattila approach (with stops) the original Warrior way is still very much quite valid and worth close inspection. Thanks Warrior for posting your results... Please continue to do so.
Thanks Kattila for your result showing profit even without the stops.
@twister, warrior: hope this helps clear up any misunderstanding on the warrior's way of testing... I do think we have now got 2 good methods of play now which are proving to be superior than the flatbetting or the original progression examples at the start of this thread.
Warrior's slower but safer way
Kattila's more aggressive way
Thanks everybody so far for your patience, cooperation and continuing interest in this topic :)
A.
@Atlantis + warrior
Warriors way is to use equal unit value on the additional lines 2 and 5 and use progression:
1-1,2-2,3-3,STOP
When you say STOP is that stop at 3 or stop betting until VW and resume at 1 or other ?
Thanx :thumbsup:
I just tried the System with warriors addition of DS 2+5 and with Katts progression
+36u in 14 spins
DD 30
Only 14 spins as the Casino crashed ???
Will test some more usin this Method and Staking Plan :thumbsup:
Another session
15 BO bet B 1u each DS
28 BE L1 -2 bet A 2u
27 RO L2 -6 bet A 3u
34 RE w +6 bet B 4u
19 RO w +22 bet A 5u
33 BO w +42 bet B 3u(because at 3 : -2u)
0 L1 +36 bet B 4u
4 BE w +52 bet A 5u
2 BE L1 +42 no bet
25 RO bet A 6u
6 BE L2 +30 bet A 7u
7 RO L3 +16 bet A 5u
20 BE L1 +6 bet A 6u
16 RE w +30 bet B 7u
29 BO L1 +16 bet B 8u
16 RE L2 0 bet B 9u
2 BE w +36 bet A 10u
15 BO w +76 bet B 11u
21 RO w +120 bet A 9u
26 BE L1 +102 bet A 10u
24 BE L2 +82 no bet
4 BE no bet
24 BE no bet
21 RO bet A 11u
34 RE w +126 bet B 12u
23 RO w + 174
End session at +174
Another short session
See is important after L1L2L3 twice (even if is an w between),
to Stop and play virtual until appear trigger w.
24 BE bet A 1u on each Ds
25 RO L1 -2 bet A 2u
17 BO w +6 bet B 3u
34 RE L1 0 bet B 4u
33 BO L2 -8 bet B 5u
30 RE L3 -18 bet B 3u
5 BO w -6 bet B 4u
17 BO L1 -14 no bet
10 BE bet A 5u
7 RO L2 -24 bet A 6u
23 RO L3 -36 no bet , wait wirtual win (twice L1L2L3 close enough)
16 RE bet B
12 RE L1 no bet
20 BE bet A
28 BE L2 no bet
12 RE bet B
36 RE L3 no bet
18 RE bet B
36 RE L1 no bet
24 BE bet A
9 RO L2 bet A
36 RE w trigger bet B 4u
3 RO w -20 bet A 5u
13 BO w 0 bet B 3u
24 BE w +12 bet A 4u
22 BE L1 +4 no bet
6 BE no bet
6 BE no bet
30 RE bet B 5u
5 RO w +20
End session
Thanx Katt :thumbsup:
Would you suggest just one w between the LLL LLL as a stop or LLL ww LLL also ?
I suggest L1L2L3 L1L2L3 and L1L2L3wL1L2L3 , two ww not.
Anyway testing this method , we can make some changes, if give us good results.
Ok thanx Katt
Are you gonna test with warriors suggestion of including DS2 and DS5 ?
No, don't have time for all, I will test only this way when I have the time.
okk no worries mate :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 23, 03:49 AM 2010
@Atlantis + warrior
Warriors way is to use equal unit value on the additional lines 2 and 5 and use progression:
1-1,2-2,3-3,STOP
When you say STOP is that stop at 3 or stop betting until VW and resume at 1 or other ?
thanks :thumbsup:
IM USING The progression as the leveller you stay at 3 or 4 what ever you want until in profit or back to even no stop. hope this help.
Quote from: warrior on Sep 23, 07:31 AM 2010
I'm USING The progression as the leveller you stay at 3 or 4 what ever you want until in profit or back to even no stop. hope this help.
Ah no stop. Thanx warrior :thumbsup:
Just got these Results from Original Method + DS 2+5 (warrior) and Katts Progression
21 Spins
+134pts
I did have 9 W's in a row !
Alot less L's deffo
Will continue to test :thumbsup:
@ all can someone pleas explain, when to play line 2 or line 5 ?
The first rulke were:
QuoteWait for 1st spin.
If RO or BE then bet lines 13/18 and 31/36
If BO or RE then bet lines 1/6 and 19/24
Do I add line 2 and line 5 to 13/18 and 31/36 or only one??
Best regards
kawa4711
As I understand it DS 2 and 5 are added to every bet, so in effect you are always betting 4 DS's (24 numbers as warrior said)
Quote
As I understand it DS 2 and 5 are added to every bet, so in effect you are always betting 4 DS's (24 numbers as warrior said)
Thank you for clearing it up for me.
Best regards
kawa4711
Quote from: Bazeegar on Sep 22, 07:13 PM 2010
Fripper, are you still going to continue the tests? I am still interested in that approach. New progression is too aggressive for me.
Well I haven't thought of that becuase I don't think that it is any better then any other but maybe I will test some more. Maybe with some of my own tweaks and see how it goes.
Quote from: Fripper on Sep 23, 10:33 AM 2010
Well I haven't thought of that becuase I don't think that it is any better then any other but maybe I will test some more. Maybe with some of my own tweaks and see how it goes.
Fripper maybe you could give it a go with the warrior and katt adjustments ?
Original System + DS2+5 + Katts Progression
Cheers bud :)
12 session at 50 spins a session 2 out of 12 lost 55$ playing 20$on 4 ds with progression one session i was at 4 levell for about 6 spins couple LS and w chop but lost 50$ bank 500 and the other one bank 500 -5 profit on all the rest 10 session was +655$, i have 21 sessions at 50 spins a sessesion in profit but time will tell.
Anyone done testing with the addition of DS2 and DS5 and Katts progression ?
My connection went down last night >:(
Will test some more in a few hours :thumbsup:
Just had a brilliant Session BUT I made a few mistakes :-[
Damn Mrs keeps talking to me LoL and I make errors >:(
Anyway, here are the numbers (which are error free). Maybe Atlantis or Katt would be kind enough to crunch them using Katt's progression and usin DS2 + DS5 ?
3
17
20
30
5
34
13
2
28
23
29
29
6
14
18
1
18
29
21
4
Ok, let s see with my progression + warrior s DS2 and DS5
3 RO bet A+ the two Ds, bet 1u on 4DS
17 BO w +2 bet B+ , bet 2u
20 BE w +6 bet A+, bet 3u
30 RE w +12 bet B+ ,1u
5 RO w +14 bet A+ , 2u
34 RE w +18 bet B + ,3u
13 BO L1 +6 bet B+ ,4u
2 BE w +14 bet A + ,5u
28 BE w +24 no bet
23 RO bet A+ ,6u
29 BO w +36 bet B+ ,4u
29 BO w + 44 no bet
6 BE bet A+ , 5u
14 RE w +54 bet B+ ,6u
18 RE L1 +30 no bet
1 RO bet A+ ,7u
18 RE w +44 bet B+ , 8u
29 BO w +60 bet B+ , 9u
21 RO w +78 bet A+ ,7u
4 BE L1 +50
Cheers
Thanks Katt !
I was out by 4 Units.....I never get 100% peace to do this and know its probally not error free !
Once again Thank You, much appreciated :)
I much prefer this adjusted Method Of Original + DS2 and DS5 + Your Progression
13 Wins and 3 Losses :thumbsup:
Keep testing that way Paul.
I will test the other with only two Ds+my progression.
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 24, 10:04 AM 2010
Keep testing that way Paul.
I will test the other with only two Ds+my progression.
cheers
Yep I will do mate, no worries :thumbsup:
Im always concerned I will make an error here and there :-[ A Mrs and 5 kids = no peace !
Anyway when I post, the numbers are always 100% real and accurate, just maybe my execution of the progression goes off a bit now and then lol
Thanx for your support Katt :)
Atlantis, do you continue to test with or without DS2 and DS5 ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 24, 11:02 AM 2010
Atlantis, do you continue to test with or without DS2 and DS5 ?
Sorry for late reply. Busy today. I will try a session that way.
A.
Any progress Atlantis ?
Im finding the addition of DS2 and DS5 (makin it a 24 number bet) plus Katts Staking Plan to be very good
Lots of W's and much less L's
I will post a session 2moz !
Cheers :thumbsup:
WELL i have done 2 more session with adding the ds
500 bank finished 620
500 bank 605 this one was the one i thought that the system would tank down from 500 to 200 stayed at 4 level for about 6 to 7 spins one them all i was in dis bielief came back with in the same 50 spins to profit 105.w.
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 24, 09:50 AM 2010
Ok, let s see with my progression + warrior s DS2 and DS5
3 RO bet A+ the two Ds, bet 1u on 4DS
17 BO w +2 bet B+ , bet 2u
20 BE w +6 bet A+, bet 3u
30 RE w +12 bet B+ ,1u
5 RO w +14 bet A+ , 2u
34 RE w +18 bet B + ,3u
13 BO L1 +6 bet B+ ,4u
2 BE w +14 bet A + ,5u
28 BE w +24 no bet
23 RO bet A+ ,6u
29 BO w +36 bet B+ ,4u
29 BO w + 44 no bet
6 BE bet A+ , 5u
14 RE w +54 bet B+ ,6u
18 RE L1 +30 no bet
1 RO bet A+ ,7u
18 RE w +44 bet B+ , 8u
29 BO w +60 bet B+ , 9u
21 RO w +78 bet A+ ,7u
4 BE L1 +50
Cheers
Hi,
Here is kattila's progression example above - but resetting to 1 when level or new high!
3 RO bet A+ the two Ds, bet 1u on 4DS
17 BO w +2 bet B+ , bet 1u
20 BE w +4 bet A+, bet 1u
30 RE w +6 bet B+ ,1u
5 RO w +8 bet A+ , 1u
34 RE w +10 bet B + ,1u
13 BO L1 +6 bet B+ ,2u
2 BE w +10 bet A + ,1u
28 BE w +12 no bet
23 RO bet A+ ,1u
29 BO w +14 bet B+ ,1u
29 BO w + 16 no bet
6 BE bet A+ , 1u
14 RE w +18 bet B+ ,1u
18 RE L1 +14 no bet
1 RO bet A+ ,2u
18 RE w +18 bet B+ , 1u
29 BO w +20 bet B+ , 1u
21 RO w +22 bet A+ ,1u
4 BE L1 +18
Smaller profit - but stakes do not rise as quickly (highest bet =4 x 2u in this favourable example)
A.
Nice one Atlantis !
Im gonna do a session now with that Progression :thumbsup:
Real Money Results !
Here follows 1hrs worth of Spins. I did make 1 error*, it should of been a NB but I bet it by mistake-and still Won !
28 Bets
23 Winning Bets 82% Strike Rate (You would expect closer to 65%) (Yes, small sample)
5 Losing Bets
Overall Profit +36pts
1
26 w +2
18 w +4
4 w +6
36 w +8
9 w +10
9 w +12
32 NB
9 w +14
22 L +10
17 w +14
17 L +10
1 w +14 *error shud of been NB
32 w +16
24 w +18
16 w +20
4 w +22
36 L +18
35 w +22
7 w +24
16 w +26
9 w +28
17 L +24
18 w +28
3 L +24
24 w +28
14 w +30
25 w +32
26 w +34
14 w +36
Highest Bet 2 units on each DS
Katts Progression +DS2 and DS5 - but resetting to 1 when level or new high :thumbsup:
Excellent twister! :thumbsup:
I can tell you I did a test session at SLC low-limit auto roulette and gained +16u in around 30-35 spins... Playing with RESET.
Slow but steady.
Included 3L's in a row and 3W's in a row but followed strict rules of Katt's progression on that and reduced by 2u. Always increasing when lost or won if behind until level or ahead.
Quite pleased with that session. Highest bet was 4 x 4 (once)
Good Luck!
A. ;)
Thanx Atlantis :thumbsup:
I think its come together nicely :)
This is the way Im gonna play this System from now on
Like you say, slow and steady ! Obviously my Results wud of yeilded alot more Profit if I had not Reset buuuuuuuuuut thats easy to say after the event !
Please keep this thread going with Updates everyone !!
hi guys, ive been trying this out over this weekend for fun money using dublinbet live wheel.
using the original system with kattillas progression, the results have been amazing.
just had a tricky session, where the downside was over 300 points but i kept playing to see the result and it recovered to end in profit.
7 sessions have produced over 1000 points.
i don't have records as such, but i could post the spins if required?
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 26, 05:32 PM 2010
Hi guys, I've been trying this out over this weekend for fun money using dublinbet live wheel.
using the original system with kattillas progression, the results have been amazing.
just had a tricky session, where the downside was over 300 points but I kept playing to see the result and it recovered to end in profit.
7 sessions have produced over 1000 points.
i don't have records as such, but I could post the spins if required?
Like I said, this progression can bring us back from hell, at least seems...
Cheers.
;D
can anyone resume the system rules so far?
thx
Hi Alberto,
The true is ...we are testing some different * ways*.
Some test with two double streets, others with 4 DS ,
until now I think are 3 different ways, and different progressions.
All seems to have positive results.
I post for you my *way* little agressive one, maybe
Atlantis , Twister and Warrior will post the others ways.
Version for two Double streets
When RO and BE bet A= lines 13-18 and 31-36
When RE and BO bet B= lines 1-6 and 19-24
When repeat not bet. Ex : RE RE no bet, BO BO no bet .
Barracuda progression is +1 at win / +1 at lose.
Session using this progression (Barracuda hybrid)
- at w +1, but after 3 : -2 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +1, but at 3 LLLs -2 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3) reset to 1unit
(or even better stop and bet again after some wins).
stop-loss at -100 ?
33 BO bet B bet 1u on each line
26 BE L1 -2 bet A bet 2u on each line
34 RE w +6 bet B bet 3u
3 RO w +18 bet A bet 4u
32 RE w +34 bet B bet 2u
34 RE L1 +30 no bet
35 BO bet B bet 3u
12 RE L2 +24 bet B bet 4u
2 BE w +40 bet A bet 5u
33 BO w +60 bet B bet 6u
2 BE w +84 bet A bet 4u
24 BE L1 +76 no bet
32 RE bet B bet 5u
0 L2 +66 bet B bet 6u
32 RE L3 +54 no bet
22 BE bet A bet 4u
24 BE L1 +46 no bet
29 BO bet B bet 5u
5 RO w +66 bet A bet 6u
26 BE L1 +54 bet A bet 7u
3 RO L2 +40 bet A bet 8u
15 BO w +72 bet B bet 9u
13 BO L1 +54 no bet
8 BE bet A bet 10u
20 BE L2 +34 no bet
29 BO bet B bet 11u
33 BO L3 +12 no bet
31 BO no bet
26 BE bet A bet 9u
7 RO L1 -6 bet A bet 10u
32 RE w +34 bet B bet 11u
26 BE L1 +12 bet A bet 12u
31 BO w +60 bet B bet 13u
16 RE L1 +34 bet B bet 14u
23 RO w +90 bet A bet 15u
21 RO L1 +60 no bet
33 BO bet B bet 16u
9 RO L2 +28 bet A bet 17u
9 RO L3 -6 no bet
29 BO bet B bet 15u
21 RO w +66 bet A bet 16u
17 BO w +130 bet B bet 17u
7 RO w +198 stop session
Max. down -6
Max. up +198
I am sure the others *ways* with 4Ds are Ok,
because seems to generate very good :: streaks.
This is my 4 DS version, same method+same progression+DS2 and DS5
3 RO bet A+ the two Ds, bet 1u on 4DS
17 BO w +2 bet B+ , bet 2u
20 BE w +6 bet A+, bet 3u
30 RE w +12 bet B+ ,1u
5 RO w +14 bet A+ , 2u
34 RE w +18 bet B + ,3u
13 BO L1 +6 bet B+ ,4u
2 BE w +14 bet A + ,5u
28 BE w +24 no bet
23 RO bet A+ ,6u
29 BO w +36 bet B+ ,4u
29 BO w + 44 no bet
6 BE bet A+ , 5u
14 RE w +54 bet B+ ,6u
18 RE L1 +30 no bet
1 RO bet A+ ,7u
18 RE w +44 bet B+ , 8u
29 BO w +60 bet B+ , 9u
21 RO w +78 bet A+ ,7u
4 BE L1 +50
Cheers
thx a lot k.
very nice proffit for such a short session
;-)
Quote from: albertojonas on Sep 26, 06:20 PM 2010
;D
can anyone resume the system rules so far?
thanks
Al,
Most of the guys live Eastward and so have retired for the night. I live in Tucson, Arizona, and it's still early here so I'll venture a response.
Atlantis is testing this exactly like Katilla outlined above except that he is resetting to 1 unit whenever he is at even or a new high.
This keeps the size of the units bet down quite a bit.
If you look at Katilla's posts above, you'll notice that his units bet keep gradually growing larger until he reaches a stopping point.
If you look at Reply #143, you'll see that Atlantis' bets stay very small.
The trade-off is with Katilla's you can win a boat load of units, but you need a bigger bank for large drawdowns.
With Atlantis' you don't win as much, but you don't have to have as large a bank to play.
Pick whichever one suits your style.
Of course this is still in the testing stage, but it's looking pretty darn good to me.
George
:)
oh yes it is indeed.
i'll put my money on this by the end of the week.
'till then i'll keep testing and post my results here.
i usually play at william hill casino or eurogrand (same company) Playtechk
because they have 10cents minimum bet
i've also heard about magnetic balls and stuff (just do not know for sure)
anyways keep it up & thx 4 everything
Quote from: GLC on Sep 26, 09:08 PM 2010
Al,
Most of the guys live Eastward and so have retired for the night. I live in Tucson, Arizona, and it's still early here so I'll venture a response.
Atlantis is testing this exactly like Katilla outlined above except that he is resetting to 1 unit whenever he is at even or a new high.
This keeps the size of the units bet down quite a bit.
If you look at Katilla's posts above, you'll notice that his units bet keep gradually growing larger until he reaches a stopping point.
If you look at Reply #143, you'll see that Atlantis' bets stay very small.
The trade-off is with Katilla's you can win a boat load of units, but you need a bigger bank for large drawdowns.
With Atlantis' you don't win as much, but you don't have to have as large a bank to play.
Pick whichever one suits your style.
Of course this is still in the testing stage, but it's looking pretty darn good to me.
George
Well said George !
On a side note, I have a Cousin in Tucson :thumbsup:
FROM my expierence with the 4 line's the safer way is the leveller slow yes positive progression isok but hav not had a good session's
Quote from: warrior on Sep 27, 08:40 AM 2010
FROM my expierence with the 4 line's the safer way is the leveller slow yes positive progression isok but hav not had a good session's
For 4 DS(8 streets ...two doz....etc..) I agree with you , also Leveller + Lw strategy
even better, but we have to try another options to.
Lw strategy :
Trigger is W, when appear first L stop, wait new trigger W.
Cheers.
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 27, 09:22 AM 2010
For 4 DS(8 streets ...two doz....etc..) I agree with you , also Leveller + Lw strategy
even better, but we have to try another options to.
Lw strategy :
Trigger is W, when appear first L stop, wait new trigger W.
Cheers.
i agree
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 26, 05:32 PM 2010
Hi guys, I've been trying this out over this weekend for fun money using dublinbet live wheel.
using the original system with kattillas progression, the results have been amazing.
just had a tricky session, where the downside was over 300 points but I kept playing to see the result and it recovered to end in profit.
7 sessions have produced over 1000 points.
i don't have records as such, but I could post the spins if required?
WoW missed this reply !
1000 pts Profit in 7 Sessions ?
That is some nice Profit ! How long were the Sessions ? (approx)
Quote from: albertojonas on Sep 26, 09:33 PM 2010
oh yes it is indeed.
i'll put my money on this by the end of the week.
'till then i'll keep testing and post my results here.
i usually play at william hill casino or eurogrand (same company) Playtechk
because they have 10cents minimum bet
i've also heard about magnetic balls and stuff (just do not know for sure)
anyways keep it up & thanks 4 everything
Hi albertojonas.
It's great that you're doing some tests also. The results have been quite good generally and even exceptionally good in some sessions as you have seen above.
Anyhow, welcome here and let us hope we can make a winning combination!
:)
Atlantis.
Here is a real session from yesterday. Playing with 4ds + kattila with reset.
Casino Spielbank Wiesbaden 26 SEP 2010; Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Num,Type,Bet U,Win,Loss,Net,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,22,Bet,4,6,-4,2,502,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
3,23,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,498,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) L
4,29,Bet,8,12,-8,4,502,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
5,9,Bet,4,6,-4,2,504,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
6,28,Bet,4,6,-4,2,506,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
7,26,Bet,4,6,-4,2,508,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
8,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
9,34,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,504,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) L
10,17,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,496,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) L
11,4,Bet,12,18,-12,6,502,3 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
12,24,Bet,16,0,-16,-16,486,4 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) L
13,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,486,
14,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,486,
15,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,486,
16,11,Bet,20,30,-20,10,496,5 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
17,34,Bet,24,0,-24,-24,472,6 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) L
18,33,Bet,28,0,-28,-28,444,7 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) L
19,30,Bet,32,48,-32,16,460,8 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
20,9,Bet,36,54,-36,18,478,9 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
21,7,Bet,40,60,-40,20,498,10 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
22,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
23,33,Bet,32,48,-32,16,514,8 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
24,5,Bet,4,6,-4,2,516,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
25,16,Bet,4,6,-4,2,518,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
26,29,Bet,4,6,-4,2,520,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
27,0,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,516,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) L
28,12,Bet,8,12,-8,4,520,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
29,9,Bet,4,6,-4,2,522,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
30,1,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,518,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) L
31,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
32,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
33,29,Bet,8,12,-8,4,522,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
34,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,518,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) L
35,5,Bet,8,12,-8,4,522,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
36,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,518,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) L
37,15,Bet,8,12,-8,4,522,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
38,16,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,518,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) L
39,4,Bet,8,12,-8,4,522,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24),(25-30) W
40,14,Bet,4,6,-4,2,524,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(25-30),(31-36) W
[/table]
+24 in 40 spins.
max drawdown = 64
Highest bet = 4x10
Even with reset you can see that stakes can rise (up to 10 in this session) but once again the bankroll recovers from a low of 444 and the session is ended at 524.
A.
Hi guys, I'm joining you in testing this promising method. Just a bit unsure about which variation to go for right now, I'm tempted to go Kattila's progression with reset, playing 2 DS only
Hi Side B
Yes that is a good idea !
Test that way for 10 Sessions, then test with DS2 and DS5 added into the mix and compare :)
I prefer the latter :thumbsup:
Here are my Results for Today !
28
27 W+2
0 L-2
28 W+2
35 W+4
2 W+6
0 L+2
28 W+6
23 L+2
17 W+6
17 L+2
1 NB
21 L-6
31 NB
25 W-
26 W+4
27 W+6
33 W+8
7 W+10
12 W+12
32 L+8
28 NB
4 L-
7 NB
2 L-12
18 W-4
30W+2
4 NB
12 W+8
28 W+12
33 W+14
25 Bets
17 Wins (68%)
8 Lose
Profit +14pts
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 27, 10:47 AM 2010
WoW missed this reply !
1000 pts Profit in 7 Sessions ?
That is some nice Profit ! How long were the Sessions ? (approx)
hi paul, just had a look back and i made a mistake with the profit. it's 861 points, or units, over 7 sessions. i counted from the wrong place! :-[
session 1 was 26 spins and 96pts
session 2 was 21 spins and 84pts
session 3 was 38 spins and 44pts
session 4 was 40 spins and 271pts!!
session 5 was 23 spins and 174pts
session 6 was 36 spins and 136pts
session 7 was 116 spins and 56pts, after being 300 pts down. not sure i could live with being 300 pts down in a b&m casino, but i just wanted to see what this could do!!
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 27, 02:33 PM 2010
Hi Side B
Yes that is a good idea !
Test that way for 10 Sessions, then test with DS2 and DS5 added into the mix and compare :)
I prefer the latter :thumbsup:
Thanks!
In the end I chickened out and went for 4 DS Kattila's with reset. First real money results: 44 spins +38 units biggest drawdown -8 units, good start :thumbsup:
Side B, that is a damn fine start :thumbsup: !
Keep us updated plz :)
fresh test
kattyla +4 ds + barracuda +1till ahead then reset.
real spins
ended +44
Nice !
77% Strike Rate :thumbsup:
Quote from: albertojonas on Sep 27, 09:36 PM 2010
Fresh test
kattyla +4 ds + barracuda +1till ahead then reset.
real spins
ended +44
Hi Alberto,
That's really good. The only difference between our ways of playing is that you do not reset until ahead whereas I reset when LEVEL OR AHEAD of my previous high...
So when you recovered to +18 my next bet would be reduced to 1u whilst yours increased to 2u.
Cheers,
A.
A=13-18 and 31-36 +DS2/DS5
B=1-6 and 19-24 +DS2/DS5
4DS version (with reset at new profit or break even)
25 ro bet A 1u
4 be L1 -4 bet A 2u
16 re w 0 bet B 1u
17 bo L1 -4 bet B 2u
19 ro w 0 bet A 1u
0 L1 -4 bet A 2u
15 bo w 0 bet B 1u
17 bo L1 -4 no bet
15 bo no bet
3 ro bet A 2u
12 re w 0 bet B 1u
29 bo w +2 bet B 1u
24 be w +4 bet A 1u
34 re w +6 bet B 1u
24 be w +8 bet A 1u
36 re w +10 bet B 1u
5 ro w +12 bet A 1u
32 re w +14 bet B 1u
16 re L1 +10 no bet
4 be bet A 2u
23 ro L2 +2 bet A 3u
12 re w +8 bet B 4u
34 re L1 -8 no bet
32 re no bet
15 bo bet B 5u
22 be w +2 bet A 6u
32 re w +14 bet B 1u
18 re L1 +10 no bet
11 bo bet B 2u
15 bo L2 +2 no bet
24 be bet A 3u
31 bo w +8 bet B 4u
32 re L1 -8 bet B 5u
26 be w +2 bet A 6u
1 ro L1 -22 bet A 7u
28 be w -8 bet A 8u
4 be L1 -24 no bet
26 be no bet
21 ro bet A 9u
1 bo L2 -60 bet B 10u
5 ro w -40 bet A 11u
4 be L1 -84 bet A 12u
7 ro w -60 bet A 13u
8 be w -34 bet A 14u
3 ro L1 -90 stop-loss
First bad session
LWLWLW....is a big enemy of this method, and also this :
LWLLWLWWLWLWWLLWLW ...etc...
..........................................................................
A=13-18 and 31-36
B=1-6 and 19-24
Two Ds version(same numbers from above)
25 ro bet A 1u
4 be L1 -2 bet A 2u
16 re w +6 bet B 3u
17 bo L1 0 bet B 4u
19 ro w +16 bet A 5u
0 L1 +6 bet A 6u
15 bo w +30 bet B 7u
17 bo L1 +16 no bet
15 bo no bet
3 ro bet A 8u
12 re L2 0 bet B 9u
29 bo L3 -18 bet B 7u
24 be w +10 bet A 8u
34 re w +42 bet B 9u
24 be w +68 bet A 7u
36 re w +96 bet B 8u
5 ro w +128 bet A 9u
32 re w +164 bet B 7u
16 re L1 +150 no bet
4 be bet A 8u
23 ro L2 +134 bet A 9u
12 re L3 +116 bet B 7u
34 re L1 +102 no bet
32 re no bet
15 bo bet B 8u
22 be w +134 bet A 9u
32 re w +170 bet B 10u
18 re L1 +150 no bet
11 bo bet B 11u
15 bo L2 +128 no bet
24 be bet A 12u
31 bo w +176 bet B 13u
32 re L1+150 bet B 14u
26 be L2 +122 bet A 15u
1 ro L3 +92 bet A 13u
28 be L1 +66 bet A 14u
4 be L2 +38 no bet
26 be no bet
21 ro bet A 15u
1 bo L3 +8 bet B Stop , Wait virtual W (L1L2L3 twice)
5 ro w bet A 1u
4 be L1 +6 bet A 2u
7 ro L2 +2 bet A 3u
8 be L3 -4 bet A Stop , wait virtual W (L1L2L3wL1L2L3)
3 ro L1
Max up +176
Max down -4
For two Ds the LWLWL or LWLLWLWLWLWLLW
don t have a bad effect
The enemy for 2DS is twice L1L2L3 twice or
L1L2L3wL1L2L3 (stop game, wait new trigger W).
Cheers
Solution for 4Ds could be:
-when appear the bad run (LwLwwLwL...)
stop and play virtual until appear some good : streaks
than bet again. (stop-loss around -30 or -50 units).
- go with the trend , when LWLWL series stop, when WWW
series enter
another solution:
- trigger W bet now, if next is w bet until appear first L and stop,
wait new trigger W
-but it after trigger w next is L1 bet again only once , if appear L2
stop wait new trigger, but if after L1 appear w bet for : streaks,
now if after L1w...comes L2 stop wait new trigger.
Just ideas.
cheers.
Hi Kattila,
Thanks for results. Yes this can happen alright :(
Maybe solution is to play WARRIOR's way with possible adjustments???
1-1, 2-2, 3-3......
A.
I Stay with the 2DS method, still give good results(see also Ewarwoowar results).
Maybe a reset to 1u , when +20(+30) new profit, is welcome.
..................................................................................................
About the 4Ds method , no matter what progression we use ,or Lw strategy
the enemy is still the close L s one to each other Ex: LwLwwLwLLw...etc...
But hey... don't give up , was only one bad session !
Go with the trend, when we notice it started a bad run LwLwwL stop
and play virtual until things go better. Ex: triggers wwLww, or : .
With a stop-loss around -50, and a target around +50 or more, this still could work.
cheers.
Im about to do some REAL MONEY testin in a bit :thumbsup:
Will post the +/-pts
Paul what version you will use 4Ds or 2 DS ?
Cheers.
4DS
with reset :)
i think the real enemy to this is when we have LLL LLL when the progression is high.
do we reset to 1 and play virtual for wins to appear or do we chase losses?
i played more sessions last night, that i will list later. the last one resulted in a loss, but still well up on the night over all.
still looking very good!
Quote:
*I think the real enemy to this is when we have LLL LLL when the progression is high.
do we reset to 1 and play virtual for wins to appear or do we chase losses? *
Hi Ewarwoowar,
We stop, play virtual until appear some wins,because others Ls can appear, than start again from 1 unit.
Use a stop-loss around -80(-120) .
I find a situation when was down around 80 units and stop at L1L2L3 L1L2L3,
stop game play virtual until tend to win, enter again from 1u, but if lose again
around 50 units(so total around 120 units) stop, lost session.
Or just consider lost session at -80.
.......................................................
We have to check also this way :
Maybe a reset to 1u , when +20(+30) new profit, is welcome.
hi katilla, you're obviously correct here, but as yet i've not begun to use a stop loss with this system and progression. i'm just waiting to see what it can do.
in an earlier session, i was down over 300 units and it recovered to be well in profit!
i suppose the correct way would be to build in rigid stop losses and targets.
anyway, last nights sessions went like this:-
session 1, 37 spins, 186pts profit
session 2, 35 spins, 108pts profit
session 3, 14 spins, 100pts profit
session 4, 84 spins, -264pts loss.
still ended up 130pts up after a difficult last session. with targets, the profit would be far more. i was never in difficulty during the first 3 sessions and was actually well in profit in the last one, before it went bad.
Thanks for latest results and ideas.
I have a modification which I think will help.
More soon...
A.
I had my second real money session last night, playing 4 DS Kattila's progression with reset when even or ahead.
The first session went well, 38 units in 44 spins. The second session took me to 51 units until it all came crashing down and I ended up at a low of -200. I didn't follow the stop-losses and carried on betting even after 2 x LLLs. I managed to almost pull back from the brink to -20 units for the day, which obviously is better than -200.
The problem with stop-losses (when playing with resets when even) is that it would take several winning sessions to compensate for losses, as pretty much the maximum number of units won per bet is 2 units.
After all, this is just like a 2-dozen system so perhaps we shouldn't expect consistent wins. I really want this to work though...
Maybe a breakthrough modification here which might help solve the problems reported... and it seems quite good initially :)
THE SUGGESTED CHANGE
Play exact selections from the original system triggers as before - but instead of adding in lines 2 and 5, add in ONLY THE LAST HIT LINE!
Therefore playing only THREE lines maximum.
Example: 33 hits
Play line 1 and line 4 (as system says) + line 6 (last hit line)
Example: 19 hits
Play line 3 and line 6 (as system says) + line 4 (last hit line)
Use this progression: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5....etc
Forward 1 step on a loss; back 1 step on a win.
Reset to 1 when level or new high.
*Play exactly the same rules regarding "no bets" *
First bet will be 3 x 1u on the qualifying lines. After 2 consecutive losers at any level, increase by 1u.
On a win go back 1 STEP in the progression e.g.:
If win on 2nd 2, next bet will be 1st 2; unless level or ahead in which case reset to the beginning.
If win on 1st 3, next bet will be 2nd 2; ; unless level or ahead in which case reset to the beginning.
See real 100 spin session below:
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 26 Sep 2010; Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
3,15,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
4,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
5,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
6,17,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
7,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
8,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
9,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
10,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
11,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
12,5,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,506,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
13,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
14,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
15,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
16,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
17,32,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
18,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,515,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
19,6,Bet,3,6,-3,3,518,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
20,23,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,515,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
21,18,Bet,3,6,-3,3,518,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
22,0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,515,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
23,9,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,512,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
24,35,Bet,6,12,-6,6,518,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
25,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,521,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
26,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,524,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
27,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
28,20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,524,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
29,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
30,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
31,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,518,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
32,31,Bet,6,12,-6,6,524,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
33,10,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
34,24,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,518,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
35,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
36,30,Bet,6,12,-6,6,524,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
37,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
38,22,Bet,3,6,-3,3,527,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
39,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
40,9,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,524,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
41,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,527,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
42,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
43,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
44,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
45,35,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
46,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
47,33,Bet,6,12,-6,6,533,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
48,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
49,0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
50,14,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,521,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
51,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
52,12,Bet,6,12,-6,6,527,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
53,6,Bet,6,12,-6,6,533,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
54,33,Bet,3,6,-3,3,536,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
55,27,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,533,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
56,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
57,33,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,524,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
58,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
59,28,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,518,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
60,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
61,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
62,33,Bet,9,18,-9,9,527,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
63,19,Bet,6,12,-6,6,533,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
64,18,Bet,6,12,-6,6,539,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
65,10,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,536,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
66,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,533,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
67,35,Bet,6,12,-6,6,539,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
68,15,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,536,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
69,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,536,
70,36,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,533,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
71,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,533,
72,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,533,
73,36,Bet,6,12,-6,6,539,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
74,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,542,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
75,35,Bet,3,6,-3,3,545,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
76,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,548,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
77,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,551,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
78,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
79,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
80,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
81,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
82,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
83,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
84,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
85,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
86,22,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,548,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
87,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,548,
88,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,548,
89,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,548,
90,22,Bet,6,12,-6,6,554,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
91,3,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
92,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
93,9,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
94,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,548,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
95,30,Bet,6,12,-6,6,554,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
96,16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
97,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
98,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
99,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
100,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
[/table]
+54 in 100 spins.
max drawdown = 18
highest bet = 3 (once only)
lowest bankroll = 497/500
This "Line Combo Bet" sure is fun :)
Happy testing!
Good luck and may fortune smile upon you!
A.
I got delayed lol :D
So Im just in time to try the suggested new Method for Real !
Wish me luck, I will report later tonight or 1st thing in the morning !!!
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 28, 03:07 PM 2010
I got delayed LoL :D
So I'm just in time to try the suggested new Method for Real !
Wish me luck, I will report later tonight or 1st thing in the morning !!!
Hi Twister,
I only just posted it so you are not late, my friend! Anyhow I will await your results. Somehow I think it will be an interesting session for you and hopefully a respectable result.
:)
A.
Nice idea Atlantis :love:
Tested with the same numbers as before. Good result.
Highest bet 5 units on each.
Lowest point 485
Here comes all the 234 live spins.
This is a continuation of the last one. Started good but then went down.
I have to admit that I forgot to wait if a repeat came up (BO,BO) in this test. But I don't think that it will make so much differens.
Just done my 1st Real Money Test
Im not sure what adjustment we are even up to now lol ?
Anyway, I played the latest one above that Atlantis wrote
Basically Original + Last DS then 11 22 33 44 55 etc +1 L -1W Reset
NB's as same
I played 30 Spins
11 were NB's
13 were Wins
6 were Losers
Highest bet was 2 Units on each DS
Total Profit +21 Units
I know, small Sample. But thats all the Free time I had ;D
Cheers :thumbsup:
Hi Twister,
Great stuff!
Just remember on a win doesn't necessarily mean you reduce by 1 unit... You simply move back one place in the progression string and restart from there... so, for example, a win on the 2nd bet of 2u means your next bet is the 1st bet @ 2u - not down to 1u. (unless level or ahead)
@fripper: the no bets are important and are an integral part of the method. They might possibly change the whole direction of that graph. But thanks for running the test and for the positive and negative picture.
I'm gonna play this for real next (tomorrow maybe)
A.
Yep, thats how I did it A, movin along the String 11 22 33 44 55 etc
PM me when ure next playin 2moz.....I will stop by if free :thumbsup:
Another real 100 spin example session:
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 27 Sep 2010; Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
3,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
4,20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
5,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
6,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
7,3,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,488,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
8,0,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,482,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
9,31,Bet,9,18,-9,9,491,3 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
10,5,Bet,6,12,-6,6,497,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
11,3,Bet,6,12,-6,6,503,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
12,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
13,36,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
14,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
15,33,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
16,15,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
17,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
18,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
19,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
20,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
21,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
22,29,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
23,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
24,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
25,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
26,34,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
27,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
28,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
29,18,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
30,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
31,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
32,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
33,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
34,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
35,0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
36,8,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
37,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
38,36,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,500,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
39,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
40,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
41,18,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,494,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
42,17,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,485,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
43,23,Bet,9,18,-9,9,494,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
44,33,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
45,15,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,497,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
46,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
47,25,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,488,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
48,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
49,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
50,8,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,479,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
51,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,479,
52,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,479,
53,13,Bet,12,24,-12,12,491,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
54,19,Bet,9,18,-9,9,500,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
55,27,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,491,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
56,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
57,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
58,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
59,18,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,482,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
60,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
61,23,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,470,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
62,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,470,
63,32,Bet,12,24,-12,12,482,4 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
64,26,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,470,4 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
65,27,Bet,12,24,-12,12,482,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
66,21,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,470,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
67,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,470,
68,4,Bet,12,24,-12,12,482,4 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
69,31,Bet,12,24,-12,12,494,4 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
70,21,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
71,29,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,494,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
72,3,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
73,12,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,494,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
74,12,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
75,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
76,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
77,0,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,494,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
78,5,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,485,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
79,19,Bet,12,24,-12,12,497,4 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
80,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
81,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
82,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
83,14,Bet,9,18,-9,9,506,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
84,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
85,16,Bet,9,18,-9,9,515,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
86,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,518,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
87,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
88,28,Bet,3,6,-3,3,521,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
89,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,524,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
90,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,527,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
91,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
92,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
93,31,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,524,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
94,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
95,23,Bet,6,12,-6,6,530,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
96,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
97,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
98,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
99,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
100,29,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
[/table]
+33 in 100 spins
max drawdown = 42
highest bet = 4
Lowest bankroll = 470/500
A.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Sep 28, 01:33 PM 2010
Hi katilla, you're obviously correct here, but as yet i've not begun to use a stop-loss with this system and progression. i'm just waiting to see what it can do.
in an earlier session, I was down over 300 units and it recovered to be well in profit!
i suppose the correct way would be to build in rigid stop losses and targets.
anyway, last nights sessions went like this:-
session 1, 37 spins, 186pts profit
session 2, 35 spins, 108pts profit
session 3, 14 spins, 100pts profit
session 4, 84 spins, -264pts loss.
still ended up 130pts up after a difficult last session. with targets, the profit would be far more. I was never in difficulty during the first 3 sessions and was actually well in profit in the last one, before it went bad.
Ok Ewarwoowar, I appreciate your effort.
Nice results until now, even without a stop-lose.
Just did another Session and ended up level :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 29, 07:01 AM 2010
Just did another Session and ended up level :)
Level is good :)
Level = not lost!
Level = we live to fight another day!
Level = casino don't win!
A.
Okkkk
Just had a 30 Spin Real Money Test and ended up +16pts
At one point did have 6 W's in a row !
Maybe we cud change our MM ?
But the flipside, obviously, is what if they had been 6 L's ?
Anyway, at this point in time with 3 DS's its working nicely. Yes I agree small samples, but they are my Real Life Samples Im playin each day !
Will Update when next Session is played :thumbsup:
And another Real Money Test !
37 Spins and +24pts Profit
Best, 9w's in a row
Worst, 7L's in a row
Cheers :thumbsup:
Another test
Was up around 16pts but ended up level !
So far so good ! ;D
Here is another 100 spin test with real numbers from yesterday.
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 28 SEP 2010; Table 8
========================================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
3,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
4,10,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
5,1,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
6,8,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,494,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
7,24,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,488,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
8,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
9,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
10,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
11,31,Bet,9,18,-9,9,497,3 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
12,15,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,491,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
13,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
14,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
15,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
16,6,Bet,9,18,-9,9,500,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
17,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
18,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
19,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
20,18,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,494,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
21,23,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
22,35,Bet,6,12,-6,6,509,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
23,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
24,8,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
25,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
26,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
27,31,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
28,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
29,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
30,4,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,500,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
31,5,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,494,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
32,33,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
33,4,Bet,6,12,-6,6,509,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
34,32,Bet,6,12,-6,6,515,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
35,19,Bet,3,6,-3,3,518,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
36,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,521,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
37,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,518,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
38,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,521,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
39,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
40,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
41,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,524,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
42,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
43,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,518,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
44,23,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,512,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
45,18,Bet,6,12,-6,6,518,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
46,26,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,512,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
47,17,Bet,6,12,-6,6,518,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
48,14,Bet,6,12,-6,6,524,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
49,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,527,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
50,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
51,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
52,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
53,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,524,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
54,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
55,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
56,19,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
57,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
58,24,Bet,6,12,-6,6,527,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
59,33,Bet,3,6,-3,3,530,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
60,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
61,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,536,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
62,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,533,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
63,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,536,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
64,18,Bet,3,6,-3,3,539,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
65,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,536,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
66,19,Bet,3,6,-3,3,539,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
67,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,536,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
68,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,539,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
69,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,542,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
70,16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,539,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
71,32,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,536,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
72,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,536,
73,12,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,530,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
74,17,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,524,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
75,19,Bet,9,18,-9,9,533,3 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
76,27,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,527,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
77,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
78,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
79,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
80,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
81,1,Bet,9,18,-9,9,536,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
82,6,Bet,6,12,-6,6,542,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
83,2,Bet,3,6,-3,3,545,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
84,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,545,
85,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,545,
86,20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,548,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
87,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,551,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
88,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
89,1,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
90,20,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,548,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
91,0,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,542,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
92,15,Bet,6,12,-6,6,548,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
93,22,Bet,6,12,-6,6,554,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
94,6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
95,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
96,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
97,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
98,17,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,548,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
99,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,548,
100,9,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,542,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
[/table]
+42 in 100 spins
max ddown = 18
lowest bank = 488/500
highest bet = 3
@twister: Congrats on your 40 points win today! Notice at around Spin 30 the bank is level. Sometimes it takes more spins to pull through and deliver. I am not advocating you need to play more than 30 spins at all. It is just it can be slow and time consuming to play longer sessions. If playing shorter sessions then obviously the profit may not always be on the high side.... Still we can be happy with small gains or even level sessions. Even so, these 100 spin examples may be useful.
Cheers,
A.
Atlantis, a very good point
Cheers bud :thumbsup:
Late last night had an Awesome Session and got to +40pts
Then got hit hard by lots of L's
Ended up Level
I cud of played on, as suggested, but anyway I chose to stop at that point.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 30, 04:02 AM 2010
Late last night had an Awesome Session and got to +40pts
Then got hit hard by lots of L's
Ended up Level
I cud of played on, as suggested, but anyway I chose to stop at that point.
Sorry to hear that twister.
I had an enquiry about a stop-loss. I would always urge to stop in profit - but the problem is how much??
Losses and "hell" sessions - it might, could and probably will happen I'm afraid.
Like Kattila's version I would strongly suggest STOPPING if losses start piling up.
My idea is if you LOSE the 3rd bet at 3 in the 11,22,33... progression then STOP whether in profit or not. That would be a full loss of 36 points if the losses happened consecutively... (if playing the 3 line method)
I would advise then to WAIT UNTIL A VIRTUAL WINNER occurs then restart @ 1u again.
Or even end the session if a few units ahead OR mark that as a losing session (may not be the full 36pts if there were previous winnings) and play another session later...
As for a stop-win figure, I think we should be satisfied with gaining a few pts each time say, maybe +8 or +10
What do others think?
A.
Hi guys,
Thanks for your reply Atlantis.
The stop loss question is important for me (for us) :)
cause, of course, we don't want to lose all the units that we hardly won...
It would be great that all the guys involved give their mind about stop loss
and also stop win figure, yes.
For stop win figure, i agree with you for a 8-10 units for each session. (some mates
probably want to play more spins so maybe they'll be more greedy :P ...)
Stop loss : i'm almost sure that each one has his own idea but to my mind,
i believe it would be great to share different points of view.
Thanks !
Cheers.
Jordan69
Yes good point !
I shud have stopped when I was that far in front.......lesson learned lol (again!)
Atlantis wrote :
My idea is if you LOSE the 3rd bet at 3 in the 11,22,33... progression then STOP whether in profit or not. That would be a full loss of 36 points if the losses happened consecutively... (if playing the 3 line method)
I would advise then to WAIT UNTIL A VIRTUAL WINNER occurs then restart @ 1u again.
Or even end the session if a few units ahead OR mark that as a losing session (may not be the full 36pts if there were previous winnings) and play another session later...
Sounds good to me.
What do you think guys ?
Stop loss thoughts:
I was going to write a long, drawnout lecture on how we need stop losses, but we have to realize that we will always reach a stop loss and when we do, we give back a really big chunk of what we won.
Unless we make the stop loss so small that we reach it regularly. At least this way, we will have a fair idea as to how our bet selection is really working. A stop loss of 1 is the purest form of stop loss. Everytime we lose 1 unit, we reset and start over. This is more commonly known as a flat bet. But it can also be thought of as a win target of 1 and a stop loss of 1.
Okay, now that everyone's eyes have glassed over with boredom, here's my idea for a bet.
Background: If we bet 1 unit and lose and then bet 2 units and win, we have recovered our loss plus double. If we lose 1 and 2 and then bet 3 we have recovered exactly what we lost. If we lose 1,2 and 3 and then win on 4, we have not recovered our whole loss and the larger the number of units we bet, the less of what we have lost is recovered.
That's why when we are very deep in the hole, it takes forever to recover if at all.
I think that we can harness the power of 1,2,3 by betting on a sliding scale.
If we lose 1,2 & 3 we don't go to 4, we go up 1 step to 2,4& 6.
We stay at 2,4,6 until we win back the 6 units we lost on the level below and then we drop down 1 level.
If we lose at 2,4,6 we go to 3,6,9 .
We will be down as much as 18 units, but at 3,6,9 we only have to win back the units lost on the last level which is 12 units. If we win 12 units before losing 3 times in a row, we will drop back to 2,4,6 until we win the 6 units from the 1 level at which time we will drop back to 1,2,3.
This will work better with 1,2,4; 2,4,8; 3,6,12; 4,8,16; 5,10,20; etc... but of course more risk.
The purest form, I think, is 1,2; 2,4; 3,6; 4,8; 5,10 etc... I have tested it this way with excellent results.
I am neither a mathematician nor a logician, so there may be something I'm overlooking that will make this less effective than I think, so if any of you math guys can shed light on this to save us a lot of time, please do.
Just constructive criticism please.
George
Lots of good points made above. I've been testing 3 lines as per Atlantis' 3 Line rules and this is my profit so far:
Session 1: 28 spins, + 10 units
Session 2: 118 spins, +30 units
Session 3: 218 spins, -186 units (crazy-long session, should have stopped way before)
Session 4: 29 spins, +192 units
Session 5: 42 spins, + 21 units
Session 6: 30 spins, + 18 units
Session 7: 23 spins, + 15 units
Total profit: 100 units
Session 3 started early evening to finish late at night, I kept pulling back from the brink and back into profit and then would hit series of losses again. I was playing 10 units per DS (=30 units a spin) by the end of my session, I probably would have carried on but I had to go to bed!
Then in the morning I thought, since we're only tracking the last number, I could just pick up where I left off, so I started betting with 8 units a DS (= 24 units a spin) and was lucky to get back into profit quickly.
On sessions 6 and 7, I started using this progression: 2,2,3,3,4,4 etc in order to get bigger wins quicker whilst already in profit, without dramatically increasing the risk. ie if I'm level or in profit, I get 6 units per win as opposed to 3.
My thoughts on stop-loss: we will hit the stop-loss probably too often. I've been down between 100 and 200 units on a few occasions but every time I managed to pull back. I would be several 100s down now if I'd used a stop-loss, whereas I'm up 100 units now. However GLC's suggestion looks interesting, what do you guys think?
For stop-wins, I think 12-15 units max per session. You need to win a decent amount of units because each win is small if you play at Ã,£1 per unit. I don't think it's the kind of system where you can bet Ã,£10, Ã,£50 or Ã,£100 a units due to the progression.
Quote from: GLC on Sep 30, 11:40 PM 2010
Stop-loss thoughts:
I was going to write a long, drawnout lecture on how we need stop losses, but we have to realize that we will always reach a stop-loss and when we do, we give back a really big chunk of what we won.
Unless we make the stop-loss so small that we reach it regularly. At least this way, we will have a fair idea as to how our bet selection is really working. A stop-loss of 1 is the purest form of stop-loss. Everytime we lose 1 unit, we reset and start over. This is more commonly known as a flat bet. But it can also be thought of as a win target of 1 and a stop-loss of 1.
Okay, now that everyone's eyes have glassed over with boredom, here's my idea for a bet.
Background: If we bet 1 unit and lose and then bet 2 units and win, we have recovered our loss plus double. If we lose 1 and 2 and then bet 3 we have recovered exactly what we lost. If we lose 1,2 and 3 and then win on 4, we have not recovered our whole loss and the larger the number of units we bet, the less of what we have lost is recovered.
That's why when we are very deep in the hole, it takes forever to recover if at all.
I think that we can harness the power of 1,2,3 by betting on a sliding scale.
If we lose 1,2 & 3 we don't go to 4, we go up 1 step to 2,4& 6.
We stay at 2,4,6 until we win back the 6 units we lost on the level below and then we drop down 1 level.
If we lose at 2,4,6 we go to 3,6,9 .
We will be down as much as 18 units, but at 3,6,9 we only have to win back the units lost on the last level which is 12 units. If we win 12 units before losing 3 times in a row, we will drop back to 2,4,6 until we win the 6 units from the 1 level at which time we will drop back to 1,2,3.
This will work better with 1,2,4; 2,4,8; 3,6,12; 4,8,16; 5,10,20; etc... but of course more risk.
The purest form, I think, is 1,2; 2,4; 3,6; 4,8; 5,10 etc... I have tested it this way with excellent results.
I am neither a mathematician nor a logician, so there may be something I'm overlooking that will make this less effective than I think, so if any of you math guys can shed light on this to save us a lot of time, please do.
Just constructive criticism please.
George
No critics at all,George,on the contrary,
the last suggestion look excelent.
Update:
Session 8: 41 spins, + 12 units
Session 9: 31 spins, + 30 units
Session 10: 19 spins, +30 units
Total profit to date: +172 units
Anyone else still playing this?
Hi SideB,
Thanks for your update and the 10 session results.
I also like the 3DS way.
A.
I'm trying this system, but with your new explaination, do I need to bet on 3 lines?
What if I win on first time and I win? I don't bet and do a no-bet spin? And with that outcome I go bet? If I don't win, I raise my bet, and if not win, raise again(to 3, or 4?)? If won, go to 1 again or to 2?
So when to reset, or rebet with the lines?
If lose a bet, you keep the same betting lines like the first bet, or change the bet lines?
Quote from: ralph0603 on Oct 06, 02:56 PM 2010
I'm trying this system, but with your new explaination, do I need to bet on 3 lines?
What if I win on first time and I win? I don't bet and do a no-bet spin? And with that outcome I go bet? If I don't win, I raise my bet, and if not win, raise again(to 3, or 4?)? If won, go to 1 again or to 2?
So when to reset, or rebet with the lines?
If lose a bet, you keep the same betting lines like the first bet, or change the bet lines?
You can bet 2, 3 or 4 lines depending on how you like to play.
The previous number determines which lines to bet. (or not bet at all if an EC repeat e.g.: BO, BO)
This may not be same every spin.
You will find all the rules and suggested progressions earlier in the topic along with full explanation on how to play and example results.
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: Side B on Oct 02, 12:31 PM 2010
Update:
Session 8: 41 spins, + 12 units
Session 9: 31 spins, + 30 units
Session 10: 19 spins, +30 units
Total profit to date: +172 units
Anyone else still playing this?
New update: since my last message I have played another 21 sessions and won another 346 units. Total to date playing 3-line combo: + 518 units. I now play Ã,£2 a unit. All sessions apart from one ended with a positive total. Needless to say I am liking this a lot and I have made up my losses from playing Fender's Zone!!
Although some sessions can take you to -150 to -200 units, it's always recovered so far, it's mind-boggling. I'm waiting for this system to fail but it just doesn't want to!! :P
Quote from: Side B on Oct 11, 12:21 PM 2010
New update: since my last message I have played another 21 sessions and won another 346 units. Total to date playing 3-line combo: + 518 units. I now play Ã,£2 a unit. All sessions apart from one ended with a positive total. Needless to say I am liking this a lot and I have made up my losses from playing Fender's Zone!!
Although some sessions can take you to -150 to -200 units, it's always recovered so far, it's mind-boggling. I'm waiting for this system to fail but it just doesn't want to!! :P
Good on ya Cobber.
Thanks for keeping the thread alive. It does hold up pretty good.
Sounds like you're playing it for real dinero.
That gives your sessions much more weight.
Keep it up, and may you recover 100's of times more than you lost.
George
hi side b
exellent results what progression are you using
cheers
GLC, yes I'm definitely playing real money, it's not as much fun otherwise :P It's a live airball wheel though, no RNG ever!
The system and progression I use are as posted by Atlantis when he introduced his variation playing 3 lines (instead of 2 or 4). The progression itself is the following chain: 112233445566 etc, going back 1 step on a win and going forward 1 step on a loss. I don't really have a stop-loss as so far it recovers time after time, but I suppose it would be wiser to have one...
Great to hear those last results posts.
I myself played in real casino and won 40 units a couple of nights ago.
I prefer the 3 line option - but sometimes I will play the original 2 DS version.
TEST
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Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 12 Oct 2010 - Table 8 (yesterday)
Using 3-Line version:
+30 in 44 spins.
Max drawdown=12
Highest Bet=3
A.
I just had a thought.
From looking at some of Fripper's graphs, it looks like most down turns are under 50 units.
This could probably be a good stop loss target.
Of course, some went way beyond 50, but the units below 50 would never be lost.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Oct 13, 09:52 AM 2010
I just had a thought.
From looking at some of Fripper's graphs, it looks like most down turns are under 50 units.
This could probably be a good stop-loss target.
Of course, some went way beyond 50, but the units below 50 would never be lost.
GLC
Another thing you can do for extra caution/security, and seems working well with the 3 line combo bet, is to wait for 2 *consecutive* fictive losses (virtual or paperplay losses) before stepping in with the bet/progression... After a win, again wait for 2 consecutive L's.
Ensure to use exact same rules as before. Just record 2 consecutive instances of what would have been losses under normal play and only then make a play on the appropriate lines.
Takes a little longer of course, but some might be more comfortable or confident with this approach.
Happy winnings!
:)
A.
Great Atlantis.
Did you make some new tests with this mod' ?
I would like to contribute but i have to find (urgently) a new appartment now...
so very busy :( Not easy to spend times even i would really like to help :)
Cheers.
Jordan69
Hey Guys,
I have playing around with another bet sequence that has showing good results.
Not a lot different from some others, but maybe a little safer.
It's lose 3 up 1 for EC's.
In other words, when you lose 3 times, you go up 1 more unit.
It doesn't matter how many times you win at that level.
The only time you change the bet size after a win is if you are at a new high, then reset.
Only when you lose 3 times (remember, it doesn't have to be in a row and usually isn't) do you increase by 1 unit.
This works with single line systems or multi-line systems.
If you want it to be even safer, you could wait for 4 or 5 losses before you increase.
Of course, the larger the number before increasing, the closer you get to a flat bet.
Run it through some of your previous sessions and see how it looks compared to other progressions.
I know it's not much new, but you just never know when the big light will come on.
Regards,
George
Well I for one is happy that people have started contributing again, yesterday I read this thread again from the start and it used to be very active, lots of contributing and testing, then it all kind of fizzled out... Only this time it's not because the system fails because it doesn't (not so far for me anyway). GLC, thanks for your suggestions. Atlantis, I occasionally wait for one or two virtual losses at the beginning of the game, then I bet and carry on betting no matter what happens. Have I just been lucky? Once you get yourself in a -200 unit hole, surely it should be hard to get back into profit... Why isn't it failing?
Hope we get more testers on board. I'm now Ã,£610 in profit after playing this for 2 weeks by the way...
Example playing Line Bet Combo (3 DS version) on Single 0 wheel waiting for 2 virtual L's before each coup attempt:
Note that the virtual L's must be consecutive or have NO BETS in between each "L".
Sometimes 2 virtual L's can be followed by NO BETS before betting can commence.
I counted 0 as a virtual loss.
If 2 similar EC combos are split by a 0 then the next bet is treated as a normal NO BET e.g.: RO, ZERO, RO (wait for change of EC combo)
I used the standard progression for 3 line combo bet: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4...etc. Forward 1 on a loss. Back 1 on a win. Reset when level or ahead.
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 12 Oct 2010 - Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Num,=Type=,=Unit=,Win,Loss,=Net=,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500, virtual L
3,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500, virtual L
4,35,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (13-18)(25-30)(31-36) **REAL W
5,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, virtual L
6,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, virtual W (line repetition after 0)
7,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, NO BET
8,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, NO BET
9,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, virtual L
10,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, virtual L
11,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6)(13-18)(31-36) **REAL W
12,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W
13,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W
14,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W (line repetition)
15,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual L
16,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W
17,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W
18,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual L
19,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W
20,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W
21,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual L
22,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
23,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
24,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
25,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
26,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual L
27,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
28,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,503,1 : (13-18)(19-24)(31-36) **REAL L
29,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, NO BET
30,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503, NO BET
31,20,Bet,3,12,-3,3,506,1 : (13-18)(19-24)(31-36) ** REAL W
32,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
33,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual W
34,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual L
35,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, virtual L
36,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
37,18,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509,1 : (1-6)(13-18)(31-36) **REAL W
38,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509, virtual L
39,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509, virtual L
40,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509, NO BET
41,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (1-6)(13-18)(31-36) **REAL W
42,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual W
43,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual W
44,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual W (line repetition)
45,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, NO BET
46,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, NO BET
47,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
48,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
49,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6)(7-12)(25-30) **REAL L
50,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,506,1 : (1-6)(19-24)(25-30) **REAL L
51,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
52,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
53,4,Bet,6,6,-6,6,512,2 : (1-6)(13-18)(31-36) **REAL W
54,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, NO BET
55,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual W
56,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
57,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
58,0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6)(13-18)(19-24) **REAL L
59,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (1-6)(13-18)(19-24) **REAL W
60,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
61,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, NO BET
62,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, NO BET
63,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
64,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (13-18)(25-30)(31-36) **REAL L
65,32,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (1-6)(13-18)(31-36) **REAL W
66,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
67,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
68,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, NO BET
69,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (13-18)(19-24)(31-36) **REAL L
70,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (1-6)(7-12)(19-24) **REAL W
71,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
72,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual W
73,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
74,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
75,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, NO BET
76,8,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6)(13-18)(19-24) **REAL L
77,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,506,1 : (7-12)(13-18)(31-36) **REAL L
78,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506, NO BET
79,27,Bet,6,12,-6,6,512,2 : (1-6)(19-24)(25-30) **REAL W
80,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
81,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512, virtual L
82,33,Bet,3,6,-3,3,515,1 : (7-12)(13-18)(31-36) **REAL W
[/table]
82 spins.
18 bets triggered.
maxdrawdown=6
lowest bank=500/500
+15 profit
highest bet = 1st@2 (x3) =6u
A.
Quote from: Side B on Oct 15, 02:12 PM 2010
Well I for one is happy that people have started contributing again, yesterday I read this thread again from the start and it used to be very active, lots of contributing and testing, then it all kind of fizzled out... Only this time it's not because the system fails because it doesn't (not so far for me anyway). GLC, thanks for your suggestions. Atlantis, I occasionally wait for one or two virtual losses at the beginning of the game, then I bet and carry on betting no matter what happens. Have I just been lucky? Once you get yourself in a -200 unit hole, surely it should be hard to get back into profit... Why isn't it failing?
Hope we get more testers on board. I'm now Ã,£610 in profit after playing this for 2 weeks by the way...
Hi SideB,
The old saying "If it ain't broke..."
I'm really pleased to learn of your real success with this. And that is prolly the way I would play ideally as well. Just showing a more careful, perhaps less riskier slant that could or might be adopted in an attempt to lessen danger...
Thanks for your continued perseverance and suggestions.
:thumbsup:
Atlantis.
Cheers Atlantis. Btw, slight typo in my previous post, I've made Ã,£810 profit, not Ã,£610 ;D
What I'm REALLY interested in finding out is how many spins in a row can you get without a single win, playing 3DS with the original rules (ie stopping after repeats). Is anyone here able to test this? That would give us a good indication of how far this system can go.
I think that the highest I've seen is 8 bettable spins without a win, in other words 8 losses in a row before the next spin won.
ok, i owe it to the guys still involved and the the system itself to give this another go.
the last time i tried was with the barracuda hybrid progression, as outlined by katilla in an earlier post. has anybody else tried this?
anyway, cover me, i'm going in!
Hi Ewarwoowar i started new thread about that hybrid :
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/katt-two-lines-combo-bet/msg13751/#msg13751 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/katt-two-lines-combo-bet/msg13751/#msg13751)
just had two sessions at dublinbet live wheel.
1st session, table 1
playing 2 x ds with 1122334455 etc
58 spins
58 points profit
2nd session, table 2
playing 2 x ds, plus last spun ds with 1122334455
101 spins
10 points profit
thanks kat, will try the barracuda hybrid with the reset twist!
Tested today again with 3-Line Combo rules + wait for 2 virtual L's at Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 15 Oct 2010, Table 8.
Result
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Profit = +21 in 71 spins.
(12 triggered games. 9W;3L)
Lowest Bank = 500/500
MaxDrawDown = 6
Highest Bet = 1st@2 (x3) = 6u (once)
A.
Hey Guys, The following post was from Victor and it has caused me to re-evaluate my approach to the game. I have been reluctant to really pursue ideas like waiting for bet triggers, imbalances, etc... such as Atlantis has recently suggested with this system. But I think that's the way to go.
Quote from: VLS on Oct 15, 11:25 PM 2010
Dear GLC, the "you know what" lies in coping up with the changes.
Move the shift from the bet to the time of the bet. Move in the TIME dimension of your bet.
For example, in bellas' post here (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/triangle-bet/msg16165/#new): despite the nice distribution of the wheel you know it is unlikely to truly succeed flat-betting endlessly on it , because there are mandatory times for the game to even-out the non-covered pockets with an increased hit rate to bring it up to par, then the focus should be stressed on the *WHEN* is this bet delivering -to be used- and when it stopped delivering -to be disabled-.
You must have an arsenal of simultaneous bets so that your choices multiply in real time and there's always "something eligible going on".
It is preferably these bets are somewhat "contrary" or at least that they are complementary to each other so shall one go south, then the other one goes north; this way your game plan is based on identifying and betting on the current one that shows the most propitious for the moment your are experiencing in your current session.
You look like a smart man, so you know there are no better or worse bets in roulette. Instead, there are better and worse times for all bets in roulette. The "you know what" is that which identifies best times for tracked bets the most accurately and uses them accordingly.
Regards,
Victor
I have been getting the feeling that all our tweeking of the bet progression and selection is just taking us from bigger swings to smaller swings with the final outcome maybe, maybe not.
I am going to start trying to find triggers based on normal runs in how colors, dozens, etc... fall.
We can use the same bet progressions and maybe even the same bet selections, just pick more fortuitous times to enter the game.
I'll keep you posted.
George
So far I can't say that I've made any improvement in the win/loss ratio by trying to anticipate favorable streaks.
I can sometimes hit good streaks, but I can't say it happens often enough to risk money on it.
I've been trying things like: Play virtual until I would have won 6 or 7 out of 10 and then jump in hoping the winning trend will continue. Jump out if I lose 4 out of 7.
I'm not doing horrible, just not convinced that I can count on it.
I find myself tracking a lot which is hard for me to get used to, Attention Deficit Disorder kicks in.
Anybody else interested in this idea?
George
hi george, i've been looking at the 2 xds method using the barracuda hybrid progression as outlined by kattila.
with family and work commitments though, i haven't had time to post for the last couple of weeks or so.
i'll get back to it and update regularly soon.
Quote from: GLC on Oct 28, 11:35 PM 2010
So far I can't say that I've made any improvement in the win/loss ratio by trying to anticipate favorable streaks.
I can sometimes hit good streaks, but I can't say it happens often enough to risk money on it.
I've been trying things like: Play virtual until I would have won 6 or 7 out of 10 and then jump in hoping the winning trend will continue. Jump out if I lose 4 out of 7.
I'm not doing horrible, just not convinced that I can count on it.
I find myself tracking a lot which is hard for me to get used to, Attention Deficit Disorder kicks in.
Anybody else interested in this idea?
Hi GLC,
I am having similar results. I do not think jumping in after the L's is making any appreciable difference at all... Just stretches out sessions and more work in tracking, so I am returning to original triggers with 2ds or 3ds ways.
I've had some further success in real casino using those. Sometimes I will start with 2ds (2-line combo) and if not much luck will switch to 3ds (3-line combo) until recovered or ahead in the same session. S'pose you could also switch to 4ds combo too.
(Maybe something there - increasing/decreasing the combo at pertinent times?)
A.
Hi,
I'm still playing this for real in Casino and simply aim to win 12-20 units per session.
I often play the 3DS and the 2DS version and if I play the 2DS version I will sometimes begin by playing a slightly different starting progression...
6 spins @ 1u each line, 5 spins @ 2u per line, 4@3u per line and then as normal with each successive 3 spins @ 1u higher level.
111111,22222,3333,444,555,666...etc.
If win and level or ahead I restart as usual; if I win and am behind I go back 2 places in the progression string again as normal.
In my few trips so far I have not yet had to wager above the 3u requirement.
I'm thinking that if I cease after the 3rd@4 my total loss is 80u and this seems like an acceptable stop/loss figure.
A.
Hi folks,
I am now playing the 2-Line Combo bet slightly differently.
I only now bet when one of the following 2 situations arise:
When 3 consecutive numbers that are BE or RO (or a mixture of either) occur then that is signal to bet on Line 3 and 6 (13/18 and 31/36)
When 3 consecutive numbers that are BO or RE (or a mixture of either) occur then that is signal to bet on Line 1 and 4 (1/6 and 19/24)
ZERO doesn't count during the tracking phase.
Exact same progression as before: 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3....
(OR use progression suggested in previous reply above!)
This now means we jump in and play only after 3 L's.
1
25
28 - play line 3 and line 6
14 - WIN
16
0
35 - play line 1 and line 4
28
6 - WIN
Best wishes and Happy Winnings for Xmas :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 22, 11:40 AM 2010
Hi folks,
I am now playing the 2-Line Combo bet slightly differently.
I only now bet when one of the following 2 situations arise:
When 3 consecutive numbers that are BE or RO (or a mixture of either) occur then that is signal to bet on Line 3 and 6 (13/18 and 31/36)
When 3 consecutive numbers that are BO or RE (or a mixture of either) occur then that is signal to bet on Line 1 and 4 (1/6 and 19/24)
ZERO doesn't count during the tracking phase.
Exact same progression as before: 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3....
(OR use progression suggested in previous reply above!)
This now means we jump in and play only after 3 L's.
1
25
28 - play line 3 and line 6
14 - WIN
16
0
35 - play line 1 and line 4
28
6 - WIN
Best wishes and Happy Winnings for Xmas :)
A.
IM going to try it thanks A. all the best W.
Here is modification in action on real spins from German casino yesterday...
Casino Duisburg: 21 Dec 2010 - Table 3 (yesterday)
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type===,Bet,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
5,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
6,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
7,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
8,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
9,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
10,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
11,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
12,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
13,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
14,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
15,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
16,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
17,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
18,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
19,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
20,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
21,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
22,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
23,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
24,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
25,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
26,21,Bet,2,6,-2,4,510,1 : (1-6)(19-24)
27,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
28,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,510,
29,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
30,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
31,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
32,33,Bet,4,12,-4,8,512,2 : (13-18)(31-36)
33,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
34,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
35,10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
36,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
37,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,514,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
38,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
39,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
40,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
41,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
42,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
43,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
44,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
45,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,516,
46,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
47,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
48,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
49,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,524,1 : (1-6)(19-24)
50,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
51,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
52,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
53,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
54,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
55,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
56,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
57,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,526,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
58,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
59,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
60,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
61,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
62,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,526,
63,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,524,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
64,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
65,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,526,1 : (13-18)(31-36)
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A
Quote from: GLC on Oct 28, 11:35 PM 2010
So far I can't say that I've made any improvement in the win/loss ratio by trying to anticipate favorable streaks.
I can sometimes hit good streaks, but I can't say it happens often enough to risk money on it.
I've been trying things like: Play virtual until I would have won 6 or 7 out of 10 and then jump in hoping the winning trend will continue. Jump out if I lose 4 out of 7.
I'm not doing horrible, just not convinced that I can count on it.
I find myself tracking a lot which is hard for me to get used to, Attention Deficit Disorder kicks in.
Anybody else interested in this idea?
George
I'm not only interested but am applying it on any method I play,kind in a rolling manner,but again one must have a great sense of intuition, feelings and playing experience.Know exactly what Victor is talking about,but for me it's hard to explain.
Think that you know what am I about here George.
Quote from: warrior on Dec 22, 12:11 PM 2010
I'm going to try it thanks A. all the best W.
Hey WARRIOR,
Good for you. Hope you have fun with the test!
Atlantis.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Dec 22, 12:55 PM 2010
I'm not only interested but am applying it on any method I play,kind in a rolling manner,but again one must have a great sense of intuition, feelings and playing experience.Know exactly what Victor is talking about,but for me it's hard to explain.
Think that you know what am I about here George.
I do understand Flatino. I'm starting to realize that intuition based on experience cannot be taught, must be earned.
With all the years of playing roulette you have, you've earned your intuition. But me, I have a lot of earning to do yet.
Atlantis,
That's a very good hit rate. I think you could win at this hit rate with almost any bet. Do you think it will hold up with a flat bet?
A
Nice to "see" you mate :thumbsup:
I will Test ure new Mod 2moz !
Please, keep us updated with ure progress
Maybe in the New Year we can have a meet on SLC ;D
Hi Twister,
Gonna try it on SLC this afternoon abt 1.00pm GMT :)
low limit auto wheel...
@GLC Wow! I like your new avatar.
Cheers,
A.
Playing for REAL MONEY I had a session high of +10u but eventually quit when level on the low limit auto wheel... (after 1 hour 20m) There was something wrong with the wheel. On several occasions after the spin had ended the ball would slowly roll out of the last spun number and slot into another one several spaces away before the spin officially activated! Although that number didn't count there was unfortunately no way to change you're already confirmed bets for that spin. :(
I switched to "live dealer" and played for Ã,£1 chips. I won 3 games and exited with a Ã,£10 profit.
A.
Will catch you for a live real money game next week mate :thumbsup:
Can anyone make a software program for this system? This honestly is one of the best systems, if not the best I have ever seen. There are a lot of tests I would like to do and I need to be able to input number spin files and see a graph of results. There are two betting systems I would like to be entered into the program. The New one that Atlantis posted - wait for three BO/RE or BE/RO to appear then start betting and the original system of course. I would be willing to pay someone to do it also, I don't have much money but maybe like $20. Shoot me a PM if this is possbile. Thanks!
Hi,
I'm just re-awakening this with an update to say that I play this slightly differently nowadays. I use 4 DoubleStreets but really it has become a double dozen bet... The same principles and rules are used for selecting the lines however, it is just that the additional lines in the same dozen(s) are also now covered making the bet *similar* to warrior's DS4 method earlier in the topic...
Here's how I usually play it now - -
Red Odd and Black Even numbers: Bet the 2 dozens that encompass the lines that do NOT contain ANY of these numbers. (13-18 and 31-36)
Therefore I bet dozens 2 and 3.
Red Even and Black Odd numbers: Bet the 2 dozens that encompass the lines that do NOT contain ANY of these numbers. (1-6 and 19-24)
Therefore I bet dozens 1 and 2.
Bets are only made after a SINGLE formation or occurrence of ANY of the ECs RO, RE, BE, BO
So if an EC combo repeats (on a win or loss) then the betting is suspended until a new type occurs e.g.: BO, BO - wait for a BE or a RO or a RE type to hit before immediately re-commencing betting on the indicated dozens.
I use progression 1-1,2-2,3-3...etc but you can use your own or one of GLC's recommended ones or one like this for instance e.g.:
Quote
This is one of the better progressions for double dozen betting, thanks to GLC and others.
Double Dozen Progression
Progression Level
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Bet level 1 ($1.00) on each Dozen for 5 Spins
If at the end each 5 spins we have a positive balance then spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
For example, if we won all 5 times we would have a positive balance of $5, if we won 4 times we would have a positive balance of $2 therefore we would spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
If at end of 5 spins we have a negative balance then increase bets to next progression level 2 ($2.00) for next 5 spins.
For example, if we won 3 times out of 5, we would have a negative balance of -$1.
Bet level 2 ($2.00) on each Dozen for 5 spins.
If during these 5 spins we have eliminated the negative balance of -$1 then revert back to next lower level, ie level 1.
If we still have a negative balance at the end of level 2, then go to level 3.
For example, we have a -$1 loss from level 1.
The first spin at level 2 ($2.00) on each dozen is won, we win $2.00 which when added to the -$1 loss from the previous level a +$1 which has eliminated the negative balance and we now revert back 1 level.
Example (playing with +1/-1 prog)
======
13 BO
29 BO
34 RE - wait first for isolated EC combo - trigger to start bet D1 & D2
17 BO - won +1 Now bet D1 & D2
11 BO - won +1 Stop betting until change
29 BO - no bet
7 RO - trigger to bet D2 & D3
36 RE - won +1 Now bet D1 & D2
10 BE - won +1 Now bet D2 & D3
10 BE - lost -2 Stop betting until change
23 RO - trigger to bet D2 & D3
32 RE - won +2 Now bet D1 & D2
5 RO - won +1 Now bet D2 & D3.......
+5
I play it on single 0, online live for small stakes and quit when in front a few chips.
:)
A.
this is a cool way of betting
it holds pretty well
23u profit and max progr. x3 (until now) :-)
it was only a 100 spin quick test :-)
gonna test it a bit more today
Quote from: Stepkevh on Jul 07, 03:33 AM 2012
this is a cool way of betting
it holds pretty well
23u profit and max progr. x3 (until now) :-)
it was only a 100 spin quick test :-)
gonna test it a bit more today
Hi Stepkevh,
r u still playing it?
Played a session just now live dealer online,
WWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWWWLWWWLWWWW
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jul 12, 10:01 AM 2012
Hi Stepkevh,
r u still playing it?
Played a session just now live dealer online,
WWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWWWLWWWLWWWW
A.
Wow! :smile: :thumbsup:
Quote from: atlantis on Jul 12, 10:01 AM 2012
Hi Stepkevh,
r u still playing it?
Played a session just now live dealer online,
WWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWWWLWWWLWWWW
A.
yes i did and it still has a good hitrate :thumbsup:
Atlantis,
i used your system together with my dozen bets.
its posted also here in notepad.
maybe also something to try.
Hi Stepkevh,
Ok. Maybe good idea! I see you gained a positive result using your dozen betting chart. I cannot speak for how well it would work applied like that to columns... I never tested it that way with columns but it's an interesting concept to play both in combination.
Regards,
A.
it is applied to the columns also.
its betting on dozens and columns, all 6 with seperate progression.
and that all in combination with your trick :)